What is "The Lord of the Rings" and Tolkien all about?

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YamyDeAragon

Student of Lady Galadriel
Since quite some time I've been reading a lot of posts claiming that this or that story/area/game element isn't "Lotr" or "Tolkien". While I agree that for some things they feel less like what I'd expect from Lotro, I was always able to follow the Devs' reasoning about them.

But this entire discussion raised a question in my mind which I'd like to discuss with you people about: What do you think is Lord of the Rings all about? What is a typical Tolkien-ish element? What is the "core" of our beloved story?
By observing Tolkiens tendency to often rewrite the
story of his fantasy, to please the public, i think that there is not a single purpose on it, other than produce books that sell well & hence acquire some income. If he wanted to give a message, he will have stick to a story as he see it in his mind, instead to constantly change it. That said, they are enjoyable fantasy books, to read with the only purpose to have fun.

On the literature aspect: Tolkiens fantasy follow the
classic story telling of a hero that go on a long journey, that leads it through a process of transformation, except it doesn't have 1 main character to do that roll but many at different times & places & all their stories are intertwined
 
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Ena

Keeper of the Forgotten Treasury
Hmmm...some become corrupted by the Rings and don't have a choice because they don't know who is behind them. Smeagol wasn't evil until he found the Ring, the dwarf kings who were given rings of power were not evil afaik; they did not become servants of Sauron but their personalities changed for the worse. An ingame example is Captain Lachir in Udun.
The Ring function as an amplifier. It works with and amplifies what is already inside.
 

Xyrus

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But he clearly had significant potential to be, or he wouldn't have turned to murder all but instantly like that.
As I understood it, it was only the influence of the ring. Also Gandalf says (ingame, maybe different from the books), that noone could have willingly destroyed the ring.
 

Arnenna

Defender of the Great Apes
As I understood it, it was only the influence of the ring. Also Gandalf says (ingame, maybe different from the books), that noone could have willingly destroyed the ring.
The One ring had the power to bring forth the innate desires of it's wearer. In Gollum, Bilbo and even Frodo at the end, it brought out their possessive trait, hence "My Precious," and their desire for isolation. It brought out greed in Dwarves and a thirst for power in men.
 

Old Badger-brock

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I first read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings at age 11 back in the early 1970s. I have re-read them as well as The Silmarillion (published 1977) many times since. I have to say that both my enjoyment and understanding of Tolkien's works were greatly enhanced by reading The Road to Middle-earth and J.R.R. Tolkien Author of the Century by Tom Shippey.
 

Phantion

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LOTR isn't 'about' anything, in the sense of any specific strong message: "not 'about' anything but itself", according to the man himself (letter #142). What it does have is strong themes:
  • "The real theme for me is ... Death and Immortality: the mystery of the love of the world in a race 'doomed' to leave and seemingly lose it; the anguish in the hearts of a race 'doomed' not to leave it, until its evil-aroused story is complete." (Tolkien, letter #186)

  • Power and the will to dominate others, as symbolised by the RIng

  • The power of the small and humble; 'Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere' (as Elrond says in FOTR)

  • Said to be "a fundamentally religious and Catholic work" (Tolkien, letter #142), implicitly at least
Make of that what you will. And on the other hand there's how it's avowedly not allegorical (letter #142, again).

So I've decided to shock and agree with you on something ;)

This business, right here: "The real theme for me is ... Death and Immortality: the mystery of the love of the world in a race 'doomed' to leave and seemingly lose it; the anguish in the hearts of a race 'doomed' not to leave it, until its evil-aroused story is complete." (Tolkien, letter #186)

That's the heart of it, and Tolkien's acknowledging it. These are Christopher's "metaphysical depths" he felt the movies lacked. It's the unconscious implied premise, which is also a question: "Why do we die?"

Rather than give some drafty philosophical treatise on the subject, with conscious intentions: he writes a faerie story without intentions, yet it brings forth that theme to bear more clearly than much philosophy.

So when I say things like, "the full purpose," I don't mean "as Tolkien consciously intended." He didn't. Yet, as a narrative structure, the full purpose of the Elves demonstrates precisely why we humans are not immortal. Combine that with the fate of Númenor and what happens to the Ringwraiths, along with Frodo's ultimate fate: it's sublime.

Yes, there is pride, arrogance, etc., in the human desire for immortality. But, there's something also profoundly unnatural about it, anti-human. The beauty, in Tolkien's writing, lies in acceptance rather than rebellion. It's Gandalf's "not all tears are an evil." Tolkien's writing never once neuters the sorrow of death; sorrow is the point: it neither surrenders hope nor despairs, yet its situated right between them. It is a sorrowful hope. It necessitates loss.

The High Elves are interesting in that, to the Hobbits when they meet Gildor, they all appear so naturally happy with their songs, their dancing, etc. But they also embody the grief of the passage and waning of years, the long journey toward fading unless they take their ship to the West. They simultaneously bear the weight of the world. I'm going to, *gasps,* disagree with the Tolkien Professor on this one.

He likes to critique the "Alas Elves," the idea of Elves as miserable. But we have to understand that we're getting our glimpses of them from Hobbits' limited perspectives. To the Hobbits, they are content, because Hobbits value food and song and cheer. They do not comprehend the Doom of Mandos, the deep bitterness of the passage of Time, the High Elves' weariness of the world (*save for Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam eventually). The Eldar have these moments of bliss that maybe help keep them going, just as we humans do as we age. But I do not find Elves completely divorced from humans in their nature. They are better, certainly: they have a more innate sense of right and wrong, so much so that the Three Kinslayings are beyond horrible to them.

Yet the Elves, their weariness of the world? That's what would happen to us if we were immortal. That's what the lore is saying to us, per Tolkien's theme. We'd be absolutely miserable, in the end, living only half-lives, drifting and lost in memories of the past and longing for something else.

And so the Elves must diminish: and that is sorrowful. Their beauty must pass and fade away from the world. It is very sad. Tolkien's not neutering that sadness, not by any stretch. But it is necessary.

This is what places Tolkien right up there with Shakespeare in my mind. He's not writing a grandiose soliloquy about it. But, in his own unique way, his approach is just as sublime and poignant.

There's a reason why the last great narrative is not in Sam's main account of LOTR. No. It's "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" that truly ends the story. It ends with Arwen's death in the withered woods that were once the Golden Wood, there, at the last, on Cerin Amroth. That's where it truly ends, the final vision of things.

Here's where I admire Tolkien the most. He restrains himself. He doesn't depict "Middle-earth Heaven beyond the Circles" with Aragorn and Arwen reunited. He doesn't "canonize" the Dagor Dagorath. He doesn't even write of a glorious reception of the Ringbearers by the Valar in the West or the bliss they felt there.

He leaves us with Sam, on the grey shores, "hearing the sigh and the murmur of the waves" in the original ending- and so forth, "Well, I'm back," slapping readers as hard as the return of a World War I veteran who can never truly go home again. He leaves us with Arwen's grave, where the green grass grows surrounded by the withered grey woods.

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I recently wrote in defense of the LOTR films, and we disagreed. But I'll meet you halfway. I'll say that they do a great job for what they are. I'd suggest that a movie can't really reflect this type of metaphysics. I think it's unique to the art of a story, particularly a written story. Anything that's dramaticized doesn't really leave much room for an audience, whether at the movies or watching a theatrical drama, to contemplate these things.

And the "metaphysical depths"? They are felt most keenly in their contemplation. You need a book as a book to do that job. You need to be able to not only read- but to read closely. So I wouldn't say that it's possible for "this level" to translate into a play or a film. It's why Tolkien felt that Shakespeare's "Macbeth" would have been a great faerie story but disliked it as a stage play. There are just some things that only literature is great at doing- as literature, as works of writing, that can't be translated into another genre or medium. That's what gives great books their power.

Cheers! :D
 

Gryffs

The Rounder Bounder of Little Delving
It is a world of burden, obedience, hierarchy, fate, providence (...)
There are some insightful and thought-provoking ideas in this post. Many will skip or dislike the post because it's AI generated- but for what it's worth, I'd like to hear from the person or sources that were in the original prompt the AI used. Maybe it's worth speaking in your own words, or quoting the sources you included, because underneath the "AI-ness" were some interesting ideas. Hopefully you'll see that as encouragement, or someone will. 💜
 

Radhruin

Well-known member
As I understood it, it was only the influence of the ring. Also Gandalf says (ingame, maybe different from the books), that noone could have willingly destroyed the ring.
It was certainly the influence of the Ring that brought out the worst in him, but it's how it was able to make a murderer of him right then and there that really stands out, and that he strangled Deagol to death as that's an especially brutal way to kill someone. Quite the contrast with how Bilbo was able to resist the urge to simply kill Gollum when they met, out of pity for him - I'd read that as Bilbo having been a fundamentally good person, where Smeagol had perhaps been a bit of a piece of work even before the Ring got to him.
 

Snowlock

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It's about world building. Creating languages, history, and mythology to fill it. Then after he did all that, he wrote stories about it first for his kids and then at the behest of his publisher. It was really rather unique. Most stories are written and then filled with backstory to provide motivation. His was the other way around.
 

benu

Well-known member
So I've decided to shock and agree with you on something ;)

This business, right here: "The real theme for me is ... Death and Immortality: the mystery of the love of the world in a race 'doomed' to leave and seemingly lose it; the anguish in the hearts of a race 'doomed' not to leave it, until its evil-aroused story is complete." (Tolkien, letter #186)

That's the heart of it, and Tolkien's acknowledging it. These are Christopher's "metaphysical depths" he felt the movies lacked. It's the unconscious implied premise, which is also a question: "Why do we die?"

Rather than give some drafty philosophical treatise on the subject, with conscious intentions: he writes a faerie story without intentions, yet it brings forth that theme to bear more clearly than much philosophy.

So when I say things like, "the full purpose," I don't mean "as Tolkien consciously intended." He didn't. Yet, as a narrative structure, the full purpose of the Elves demonstrates precisely why we humans are not immortal. Combine that with the fate of Númenor and what happens to the Ringwraiths, along with Frodo's ultimate fate: it's sublime.

Yes, there is pride, arrogance, etc., in the human desire for immortality. But, there's something also profoundly unnatural about it, anti-human. The beauty, in Tolkien's writing, lies in acceptance rather than rebellion. It's Gandalf's "not all tears are an evil." Tolkien's writing never once neuters the sorrow of death; sorrow is the point: it neither surrenders hope nor despairs, yet its situated right between them. It is a sorrowful hope. It necessitates loss.

The High Elves are interesting in that, to the Hobbits when they meet Gildor, they all appear so naturally happy with their songs, their dancing, etc. But they also embody the grief of the passage and waning of years, the long journey toward fading unless they take their ship to the West. They simultaneously bear the weight of the world. I'm going to, *gasps,* disagree with the Tolkien Professor on this one.

He likes to critique the "Alas Elves," the idea of Elves as miserable. But we have to understand that we're getting our glimpses of them from Hobbits' limited perspectives. To the Hobbits, they are content, because Hobbits value food and song and cheer. They do not comprehend the Doom of Mandos, the deep bitterness of the passage of Time, the High Elves' weariness of the world (*save for Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam eventually). The Eldar have these moments of bliss that maybe help keep them going, just as we humans do as we age. But I do not find Elves completely divorced from humans in their nature. They are better, certainly: they have a more innate sense of right and wrong, so much so that the Three Kinslayings are beyond horrible to them.

Yet the Elves, their weariness of the world? That's what would happen to us if we were immortal. That's what the lore is saying to us, per Tolkien's theme. We'd be absolutely miserable, in the end, living only half-lives, drifting and lost in memories of the past and longing for something else.

And so the Elves must diminish: and that is sorrowful. Their beauty must pass and fade away from the world. It is very sad. Tolkien's not neutering that sadness, not by any stretch. But it is necessary.

This is what places Tolkien right up there with Shakespeare in my mind. He's not writing a grandiose soliloquy about it. But, in his own unique way, his approach is just as sublime and poignant.

There's a reason why the last great narrative is not in Sam's main account of LOTR. No. It's "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" that truly ends the story. It ends with Arwen's death in the withered woods that were once the Golden Wood, there, at the last, on Cerin Amroth. That's where it truly ends, the final vision of things.

Here's where I admire Tolkien the most. He restrains himself. He doesn't depict "Middle-earth Heaven beyond the Circles" with Aragorn and Arwen reunited. He doesn't "canonize" the Dagor Dagorath. He doesn't even write of a glorious reception of the Ringbearers by the Valar in the West or the bliss they felt there.

He leaves us with Sam, on the grey shores, "hearing the sigh and the murmur of the waves" in the original ending- and so forth, "Well, I'm back," slapping readers as hard as the return of a World War I veteran who can never truly go home again. He leaves us with Arwen's grave, where the green grass grows surrounded by the withered grey woods.

---

I recently wrote in defense of the LOTR films, and we disagreed. But I'll meet you halfway. I'll say that they do a great job for what they are. I'd suggest that a movie can't really reflect this type of metaphysics. I think it's unique to the art of a story, particularly a written story. Anything that's dramaticized doesn't really leave much room for an audience, whether at the movies or watching a theatrical drama, to contemplate these things.

And the "metaphysical depths"? They are felt most keenly in their contemplation. You need a book as a book to do that job. You need to be able to not only read- but to read closely. So I wouldn't say that it's possible for "this level" to translate into a play or a film. It's why Tolkien felt that Shakespeare's "Macbeth" would have been a great faerie story but disliked it as a stage play. There are just some things that only literature is great at doing- as literature, as works of writing, that can't be translated into another genre or medium. That's what gives great books their power.

Cheers! :D
You've put it so beautifully. Especially the part about the ending of the story. I feel like your post captured the spirit of Tolkien's work best out of everything I've read so far in this thread
 

CloudCastle

Well-known member
For me, LOTR has always been about "the little man," both literally and figuratively. That's the part of the story that I connect with most: how it's a story about the importance of those who are humble, overlooked and/or underestimated. So much fantasy is about great kings, great armies, great "chosen ones," and yes, LOTR has all those too, but that's not what makes the story stick after all these years, imo. In spite of Tolkien's love and focus on creating a world for his elves to live in, it's the hobbits that draw readers in as the protagonists. Everyone can relate on some level with feeling small or lost; not all of us can relate to being immortal or royal.

So, for me, LOTR is about hope, about facing something so monumentally bigger than yourself that surely you'll never win, yet you put one foot in front of the other anyway. My signature has my favorite LOTR quote. I actually bought a print of those words and had them framed for my son when he was going through some tough times as a teen. We both find hope and comfort in LOTR.

So, to bring this back to Lotro, I would say that I am in the camp that anything that existed in Tolkien's world, even tangentally, counts as "lotro material" especially if it keeps to those bigger themes that make Lotr what it is. And I think the devs have always done a fantastic job of that. I mean, the whole basic premise of the story - that you are just a quiet hero in the background helping the more important story characters on their journey - fits with that whole theme of "small people doing unexpectedly great things, even if they are aren't always recognized." Not only that though, Lotro excells at telling the stories of the "little folk" everywhere. Like the Ent's missing little bird friend in Fangorn Forest, or one of my favorite quests of all, the turtle soup story in Bree, which never fails to touch my heart and make me laugh, corny as that sounds.
 

Questars

The Light of Arda
It's a story written by an excellent story-teller (and song writer, poet and illustrator!) in another world in another time. What's amazing about the story is the historical depth (going back thousands of years) and even new languages crafted by an imaginative Professor and philologist of Saxon and English. While there are certain themes (many listed above), these are not the emphasis of the story itself. I try not to impart self-imposed meanings into the story (that Tolkien may not have meant), a slippery slope of how far you go with it.
 
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Radhruin

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That's the heart of it, and Tolkien's acknowledging it. These are Christopher's "metaphysical depths" he felt the movies lacked. It's the unconscious implied premise, which is also a question: "Why do we die?"

Rather than give some drafty philosophical treatise on the subject, with conscious intentions: he writes a faerie story without intentions, yet it brings forth that theme to bear more clearly than much philosophy.
True enough but the answer is thinly-disguised Christian theology and through that some hoary Western philosophy (Plato, in particular). It's presenting death as a blessing (as a supposed transition to some wondrous but otherwise unspecified eternal state) and the Elves as a contrast to illustrate the consequences of being undying (inexorable weariness, with all you build and all you hold dear succumbing sooner or later to either the slow ravages of time, accident, or at worst ruin and horror). I don't find that internally coherent because the very existence of the Elves would severely mess with Men's heads and make it far more difficult for them to come to terms with their mortality. Worse, Dwarves and even hobbits lived longer than Men did so the question "Why?" would be all the more difficult to answer.
I recently wrote in defense of the LOTR films, and we disagreed. But I'll meet you halfway. I'll say that they do a great job for what they are. I'd suggest that a movie can't really reflect this type of metaphysics. I think it's unique to the art of a story, particularly a written story. Anything that's dramaticized doesn't really leave much room for an audience, whether at the movies or watching a theatrical drama, to contemplate these things.
As I recall we disagreed not because of the lack of the philosophical angle (that was ever going to be near-impossible to bring across in a movie) but because I had some sympathy for Christopher Tolkien's complaint that the movies had erred on the side of mindless action, and also how I felt that some of Peter Jackson's foibles had detracted from what was otherwise a good presentation.
 

Phantion

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True enough but the answer is thinly-disguised Christian theology and through that some hoary Western philosophy (Plato, in particular). It's presenting death as a blessing (as a supposed transition to some wondrous but otherwise unspecified eternal state) and the Elves as a contrast to illustrate the consequences of being undying (inexorable weariness, with all you build and all you hold dear succumbing sooner or later to either the slow ravages of time, accident, or at worst ruin and horror). I don't find that internally coherent because the very existence of the Elves would severely mess with Men's heads and make it far more difficult for them to come to terms with their mortality. Worse, Dwarves and even hobbits lived longer than Men did so the question "Why?" would be all the more difficult to answer.

As I recall we disagreed not because of the lack of the philosophical angle (that was ever going to be near-impossible to bring across in a movie) but because I had some sympathy for Christopher Tolkien's complaint that the movies had erred on the side of mindless action, and also how I felt that some of Peter Jackson's foibles had detracted from what was otherwise a good presentation.

And I'm conceding there that Legolas skate-boarding on an Uruk shield wasn't the best direction to give Orlando Bloom, etc. etc. etc.

As for the business with internal coherence: I would point out that the early interactions between Elves and Men in Beleriand didn't really go that well. Haleth and company with Caranthir, the whole business with Túrin and his family, etc., didn't really place Men in a better position than the Elves; it was often for the worst, and Beren's fate was really an outlier. Most of the time, Men getting involved with Elves in Beleriand turned-out horrible for the Men.

That reaches it's peak in the SA with Númenor- and even then, the Elves are mostly interacting with Men who have much longer lives. Yet they raise the precise point that you raise, with the "Why," all hook-line-and-sinker for Sauron to manipulate.

But after the Last Alliance, Elves tend to fade into myth for most Men. Yes, there's the trading between Dale and the Woodland Realm, but that's more of an artifact of the vastly different lore of "The Hobbit," mostly inconsistent with LOTR's portrayal of things. Most of the time, Elves are not even believed to be real, save for a minority of learned fellows like Faramir and Denethor. To the Rohirrim? The folk of Bree? Ted Sandyman in the Shire? "Elves and dragons!" Ted Sandyman mocks Sam. *Laughs!*

So I think that's at least Tolkien's attempted solution there, particularly in LOTR. Aragorn, Arwen, and the Fellowship [and yes, the Grey Company] are vast exceptions to the overall rule of segregating Elves into the realm of faerie, the other-world, the content of myths and legends. The Dwarves are also pretty isolated in Erebor, all things considered, though I suppose the Dale-folk and the Lake-men might feel some envy (Hobbit-issues).

If we remove the inconsistencies of "The Hobbit," it would appear to be far less of an issue. The few occasions where Men are closely involved with Elves pretty much involve sinking continents (or Westernesse) and outright mayhem. The Elves mostly withdraw and become observers, save when defending their own lands. The Last Alliance is a victory but a pyrrhic one.

Now, RE- "presenting death as a blessing (as a supposed transition to some wondrous but otherwise unspecified eternal state)"---- that's not how I perceive the text itself. To an extent, yes, if you take Elessar / Aragorn at his word, and yes, we have Eru framing it as "the Gift of Men," but Tolkien muddles it with the perspectives of the pre-Christian characters. T.A. Shippey is very careful to stress that in some of his scholarly writings.

We know that the Elves received report, perhaps via the Valar, that "death" is a gift for Men. But if we ask different Mannish cultures how they view it, it's quite different depending on the group. We are told that Morgoth poisons Men into viewing death as a curse. Yet what happens next isn't sketched-out. So, by the time we reach the late-Third Age, we have beliefs and theories.

Death in Middle-earth is pretty much a great unknown (unless you're an Elf- and even then, you don't know what's going to happen when Arda itself is destroyed, and where you'll go next). Consider "The Sea-Bell: Or Frodo's Dreme," revised from the 1937 poem "Looney." That's an FoA Hobbit perspective-version of what happened to Frodo, and even though it didn't, it illustrates just how terrifying the Elves, the West, etc., are to Hobbits in general. Then there's the business of how that version of Frodo doesn't get to heal in the Undying Lands, though it's a Hobbit-imagined version as opposed to what the lore shows as happening at the end of LOTR.

I'd also say that, if you read "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" closely, their marriage doesn't end in agreement. They very much disagree. Aragorn chooses hope, because, well, he was named Estel after all. He isn't sure of what's going to happen "beyond the Circles of the World," and yes, he has a "thinly veiled Christian idea" though very under-described. But Arwen doesn't agree! Aragorn parrots the "Gift of Death" lore to her, and she responds, "yet it is bitter to receive." Aragorn tries to reassure her. She doesn't seem convinced.

The passage of Arwen back to her withered, once near-celestial, timeless home to die is presented as a tragedy. She doesn't share her then-late-husband's belief, though she wants to. It's a lot more ambiguous, I think, though it also involves placing Tolkien's beliefs and intentions aside and building it up from the text by itself. The frame-narrative matters a lot as well.

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All of this is to say that Tolkien really textures his characters' perspectives, and by texturing them, he avoids outright, direct allegory. He doesn't leave it as "Eru said X" with all and sundry believing it as a universal truth. It depends on the narrator and their circumstances. Does Arwen die believing the lies of Sauron and Morgoth? Did Aragorn / Elessar convince her otherwise? It's then about how we interpret her final actions. They do not look promising. In some ways, the manner of Arwen's passing is as brutal, thematically-speaking, as Frederic Henry's ending in Hemingway's A Farewell to Arms.

We can look at Sam's hope, Frodo's sorrow, Arwen's near-despair, and we can see a great variety of elements entering into play that are not simply, "Well, Eru's right because He's Eru," or "Whoops, Morgoth corrupted them." It's all deeply textured, which helps the narrative endure. So I'm adding to your earlier point about the Lewis comparison here. There is no Aslan galloping up with an answer for them.

Cheers! :D
 
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Westlen

Pathwarden
The One ring had the power to bring forth the innate desires of it's wearer. In Gollum, Bilbo and even Frodo at the end, it brought out their possessive trait, hence "My Precious," and their desire for isolation. It brought out greed in Dwarves and a thirst for power in men.
But ultimately, both Bilbo and Frodo failed, at least to some extent. Bilbo needed persuasion from Gandalf, a mighty Maia, before he could let go of the Ring. Frodo succumbed to it completely at the very end and, in truth, was only saved by Gollum's intervention. The only one who truly overcame the Ring was Sam, who surrendered it willingly. Perhaps the Ring itself recognized that Sam was beyond its reach, and that there was no point in trying to ensnare him as it had Bilbo and Frodo.

Sam is, in many ways, the moral heart of the story. Unlike the great and the powerful, he never seeks glory or dominion. Even when he briefly bears the Ring, he willingly gives it back without hesitation. It is as though the Ring recognized that Sam's humility and simple loyalty left it with little to work on.

That same humility is reflected elsewhere. When Sam sees the body of a fallen Southron warrior, he wonders what name the man had, where he came from, and whether he was truly evil or had simply been led into the war by lies or fear. Rather than celebrating the death of an enemy, Sam responds with pity and compassion. Tolkien reminds us that those on the opposing side are also human beings, often caught up in forces beyond their control. It is one of the clearest expressions of the book's moral vision: evil lies less in ordinary people than in the powers that corrupt and use them.
 

Radhruin

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But after the Last Alliance, Elves tend to fade into myth for most Men.
I think that's overstating it somewhat - the line was that they'd grown 'estranged' and so generally avoided each other, but it wasn't as if the Men of Gondor thought of the Elves as myth or legend and some Men elsewhere in the west of MIddle-earth (like Mirkwood, Dale, and Bree) knew full well that they weren't. In Gondor they did seem however to think it perilous to have dealings with them, if Faramir was any example, and there they'd have been absolutely right. It'd be bad for your mental health to see with your own two eyes that such an alternate mode of existence was possible. Meeting Elves and spending a bit of time with them might not be so bad but living alongside them, now, that'd be a whole other ball game. It'd gradually sink in - they're ageless, they're undying, they don't get sick, they don't even feel the cold like you do, or need to sleep like you do, they're beautiful and effortlessly graceful, you name it. A perfect recipe for bringing on a crippling existential crisis.

Obviously we know the external reason for this setup (to have Elvish languages you have to have Elves to speak them, and that then allows for the contrast between undying Elves and mortal Men) but the internal one is awkward. What was Eru Iluvatar even playing at? That setup wouldn't be just or fair to anyone and in particular would be all but guaranteed to test the faith of Men to breaking point; it would be cruel. Not to mention that it has the Problem of Evil in the worst way with not just the existence of mundane suffering, but physically incarnate evil powers and their minions there to inflict it wholesale, up close and personal.
Now, RE- "presenting death as a blessing (as a supposed transition to some wondrous but otherwise unspecified eternal state)"---- that's not how I perceive the text itself.
But that, nonetheless, is the scenario. It's Christian theology in fancy dress. Men are 'meant' to have faith in Iluvatar, something that's presented as the natural order of things in what's intended to be a world of natural theology: all's right in the world, as long as that's the case. Of course in practice it wasn't as Iluvatar had made things unnecessarily complicated to begin with and Melkor (a rogue aspect of Iluvatar's own thought!) had messed with everything, but that's besides the point.
We know that the Elves received report, perhaps via the Valar, that "death" is a gift for Men. But if we ask different Mannish cultures how they view it, it's quite different depending on the group. We are told that Morgoth poisons Men into viewing death as a curse. Yet what happens next isn't sketched-out. So, by the time we reach the late-Third Age, we have beliefs and theories.
That message had been delivered to the Numenoreans by messengers from the Valar themselves, making it as official as you could get. Essentially that was to say sorry guys, you're mortal, don't ask us to fix that because we can't, the big guy upstairs made you that way and he moves in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform. Just have faith, you'll see it's all worthwhile after you die. And of course that went down about as well as you might expect and eventually ended up with a full-scale war on heaven (so to speak) and Iluvatar having to bring the hammer down.

But that's because Men had unconditional free will, you might say (the other aspect of the Gift of Men, something the Elves apparently didn't have) but the trouble there is that as Iluvatar was all-knowing and could see the future, predetermination would necessarily entail that nobody could actually have free will. Oopsie!

Arwen has an existential crisis brought on by having become mortal after having been ageless for millennia, something that strikes me as far worse to have to come to terms with than just having been mortal from the get-go.

Anyway, if you want to see Tolkien waxing really philosophical about it, you should look to the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth - that's framed as Finrod and the Edain wise-woman Andreth having an extended dialogue but really, it derives from Tolkien's own beliefs. You can't set those aside, they're effectively encoded into Middle-earth on a fundamental level - he didn't want to separate his writing from his own faith, and it shows.
 
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Mrblightside

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To me it's all about the shinnies, of course.

Shinnies are even in the title of most of the books and subject of the books that don't have them in the title.

Shiny, shiny, shiny, precious *gollum, gollum*
 
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