Update to Heralds?

Thingolanor

Thingolanor

Mazecrafter
The changes recently proposed for the Loremaster include several significant changes to the way pet skills function. These include using Return to Master in combat, a new Dismiss Pet skill, and a potentially major rework of pet skills. Since Captains are the other pet/companion class, can we expect these changes to be implemented with Heralds as well? Consistency of companion usage between the classes would be nice, and at least some of the LM pet changes would be useful for Heralds.
 
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Harvain

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When comparing the Captain & Lore-master at least in terms of Pets it's a night & day difference.
  • Granted it's just myself but I went through Western King's Gondor, Shield Isles, Cape of Umbar, Umbar itself, and the Underground where I only used my Heralds a grand total of 5 times for Landscape Content.
Captain also had it's time to get a Sizeable Update in 2023 so we aren't likely to see any significant Captain + Herald/Archer Updates anytime soon when comparing Classes such as the Lore-master + Hunter, etc. which have been waiting a very long time for Updates.

That said something I honestly would like to see the Captain be more unique by having both the Herald & Archer being usable at the same time.
  • A "Small Fellowship" basically being available for the Captain for various types of Content and both Pets adjusted to play decent role in the Captain's Playstyle.
That & having it where the Captain doesn't need to worry about their Pets, going "Solo" basically, akin to what we see with Red and not focusing on Brother Skills.
 
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Wheresthefight

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Heralds should just be non-combat but still provide their buffs, and allow access to their abilities for the Captain him/herself.

A herald that is one-shot material in all but the most faceroll of content is useless. The 2min CD for anti exploit reasons is ridiculous since there's only one herald ever used. Captain doesn't really warrant being a "pet" class, it just fit the lore of the class.
 
Thingolanor

Thingolanor

Mazecrafter
Harvain said:
When comparing the Captain & Lore-master at least in terms of Pets it's a night & day difference.
  • Granted it's just myself but I went through Western King's Gondor, Shield Isles, Cape of Umbar, Umbar itself, and the Underground where I only used my Heralds a grand total of 5 times for Landscape Content.
Captain also had it's time to get a Sizeable Update in 2023 so we aren't likely to see any significant Captain + Herald/Archer Updates anytime soon when comparing Classes such as the Lore-master + Hunter, etc. which have been waiting a very long time for Updates.

That said something I honestly would like to see the Captain be more unique by having both the Herald & Archer being usable at the same time.
  • A "Small Fellowship" basically being available for the Captain for various types of Content and both Pets adjusted to play decent role in the Captain's Playstyle.
That & having it where the Captain doesn't need to worry about their Pets, going "Solo" basically, akin to what we see with Red and not focusing on Brother Skills.
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I agree. I typically summon my Herald and am happy to completely ignore it. Nor am I nearly as interested in micromanaging a companion on a Captain as I might be on a Loremaster. The Captain seems to be in decent shape as it is right now. Having two Heralds or no Herald at all is a bigger change that is less likely to be implemented (especially considering the recent Captain overhaul, as you mentioned). I was mostly thinking along the lines of some small tweaks to keep the management of Heralds comparable to the management of LM pets. For example, being able to use Rally in combat would be handy for when your Herald decides to run determinedly into a wall in order to get to the fight.
 
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