Migration restrictions after legendary servers are complete

[Star]

Legendary server question.

We were talking on Angmar world chat about the end of the legendary servers and migrating to regular servers afterwards. The assumption is that we are configured like Treebeard, and can go from Angmar to any of the regular servers, both EU and NA. So, I will be able to send an Angmar toon from Angmar to Grond, for example, because the technical restrictions no longer apply.

This is true?

 

[Weirdjedi]

This question came up before transfers started and they weren't really prepared to give a concrete answer to how things will unfold. I mean, just look how quickly things changed during all of this. Cordovan made a few comments about how the legendary servers could transfer to either region. There was even one post I remember him quoting Severlin of the theory of how transfers would work to a legendary server.

 

[Lia777]

On that note, would it be possible for Angmar LS population to transfer onto Mordor LS when Angmar reaches its end?

I've spent more time on Angmar LS than the regular/basic servers. I love the community which is very helpful, funny, and friendly. And I genuinely love the wraith system. Wouldn't it make sense to transfer to Mordor, if Mordor will continue as a wraith-server beyond level cap? I am not a technical person, so I'm wondering if that would be possible?

I hope the Devs read this.

The result of this migration would benefit the Mordor server population and also allow people like me to enjoy this type of game-play for years to come.

 

[istvana]

My guess is that Mordor will not continue indefinitely. When they originally said it would be a more-or-less permanent server there were no other European based 64-bit servers. Now there are three. They are unlikely to say "we changed our mind" but more likely to say "sorry - population has fallen too far for the server to be maintained". Numbers are likely to be less than half of the least populated regular 32-bit server a year ago.

But if they do keep Mordor - and I hope the population will be high enough that they will and I am wrong - they will almost surely allow transfers from Angmar. My guess is it is like Treebeard and transfers can go anywhere - why would they have made it any other way?

 

[Lia777]

But if they do keep Mordor - and I hope the population will be high enough that they will and I am wrong - they will almost surely allow transfers from Angmar. My guess is it is like Treebeard and transfers can go anywhere - why would they have made it any other way?

I am hoping they keep Mordor alive as a wraith server. Because I will most certainly transfer all of my Angmar toons over there!

 

[istvana]

I've spent more time on Angmar LS than the regular/basic servers. I love the community which is very helpful, funny, and friendly

Are there any active kinships that you are in or know enough to recommend?

I dabbled in the server but spent more time on the regular servers and Mordor. I am trying Angmar again but have seen not a single kinship advertisement and the kinships I remember from when I tried Angmar earlier are all gone or defunct. Meaning I've done searches and see not a single member on. Population in general is way down but that is fine for me I like low population servers and have spent years on servers a LOT less populated than Angmar is now.

 

[Lia777]

Are there any active kinships that you are in or know enough to recommend?

I dabbled in the server but spent more time on the regular servers and Mordor. I am trying Angmar again but have seen not a single kinship advertisement and the kinships I remember from when I tried Angmar earlier are all gone or defunct. Meaning I've done searches and see not a single member on. Population in general is way down but that is fine for me I like low population servers and have spent years on servers a LOT less populated than Angmar is now.

Why yes, there are a few kinships that I've seen online with a good number of their kinfolk available.

Eleventh Hour is superb, they are always active and host server-wide events. They are doing a Chicken Run this Saturday, iirc, going to Minas Tirith and falling off somewhere to gain a coveted title.

Other kinship I've seen is Reforged or Angmar Management. SeaFarers of Sirius (sorry if I mispelled your kin name!) is a casual kin and very friendly.

But to be quite honest, the entire server is a kinship. I am in my own solo kinship and rely on Angmar's World Chat for obtaining answers or finding/giving help to others.

I hope this helps! I've not returned to play on the basic servers since joining Angmar. It is just the right population for me and I'm enjoying on-level content again, one expansion at a time!

 

[Lia777]

Oh, just an aside note. If you go back to Angmar LS, be sure to keep the World Chat on at all times. Currently, we are not receiving Nazgul notifications in different regions of Middle Earth. So, people will call out coordinates on WC regularly.

Ironically, and maybe it's a good thing, this notification bug forces us to watch WC consistently, inadvertently encouraging server-wide community engagement again. As many kinships have fallen away, and population has diminished. I am also part of the Angmar Discord, which helps notify us of Nazgul spawns.

 

[istvana]

Thanks for the replies. Originally I hated the wraith mechanism. Quite reasonable since I hate dying and make an objective of getting to level-cap with no deaths. Even at normal difficulty on a regular server this is not easy - something so often seems to go wrong.

But with more and more practice and trying different classes wraiths seem less ...impossible .... to deal with. I got a character to 100 on Mordor recently with half a dozen deaths <blush< but that was a training experience. So since I am a firm believer in Istvana's Law - the civility of a server is inversely proportional to its size - time to try Angmar as my primary server.

 

[Lia777]

@istvana I forgot to mention **Wandering Stars kinship!!** Very helpful folks, always supportive, and they host weekly Roving Threat events on Sundays!

I highly recommend this kinship.

 

[Star]

Ya know, that is interesting. Angmar has a number of wonderful, active kinships - I'm in one of those - but I don't think we have ever advertised on world chat.

 

[Star]

Thank you, Lia! <delighted>

 

[istvana]

No kin has advertised on world chat since I came back to try again. Not while I was on at least.

 

[Lia777]

No kin has advertised on world chat since I came back to try again. Not while I was on at least.

That is correct. None have advertised since I joined Angmar last month. I'm guessing that their mains are on the basic servers, and it is too difficult to juggle recruiting people on a Legendary Server versus the regular ones. Population in Angmar remains lower, hence another discouragement to stay on as a recruiter. Those who remain are part of kinships that have been emptied.

My guess is that the type of people who stay on the Legendary Servers are those who prefer smaller population, they enjoy the wraith system, or they only play LS from time to time whilst focusing mainly on their mains which are based on the regular servers.

WC can be helpful at times, but probably more helpful during the afternoons versus evenings. Drop in number of people online, and then the usual WC banter that is more of a jokester style than answering questions with solid answers. I guess that's anywhere on any server.

With the new raid being dropped, I expect a lower number of people playing on Angmar. As for myself, I am still curious about the new raid, and I may split my time between Angmar and my other server where I placed a level 160 toon. There's plenty of time for me to finish Minas Tirith and Osgiliath before June 105 level. Might as well enjoy both atmospheres

 

[istvana]

My guess is that the type of people who stay on the Legendary Servers are those who prefer smaller population, they enjoy the wraith system, or they only play LS from time to time whilst focusing mainly on their mains which are based on the regular servers.

Having been on every legendary server often for significant periods of time - I believe this to be correct.

 

[maartena]

I just returned to Angmar. I left at the level cap of level 75 so I have several level 75 toons waiting for me, and I am leveling through Rohan.

I have been through this journey before. I was on Anor. I was on Treebeard. And now on Angmar. And what I realized that in ALL THREE cases, the community was fantastic all throughout level 50, 60, even up to level 65.... and then it started to fall off. The amount of fun we had in our kinship was what made the community on the Legendary Servers to fantastic, and they were FULL, I remember nights averaging 800-900 people, and you have to remember that unlike a normal server...... these are limited in physical content to level 50 or 60 (at the time) and as such that group of people is confined to a much smaller space.

The 21st hall sometimes had 50, 60 people in it. People waiting to start a raid setup hookah pipes and camp fires, people played music, there were always some clowns around...... it was ALIVE!

But..... each server took the same path. 50 was extremely popular. 60 was still extremely popular. Then 65...... interest started falling. And by the time Isengard dropped half of the population had gone. Back to their servers of origin. Playing other games.

That said, I do love the wraith mechanic...... and after leveling a few characters to 160 on Peregrin, I am now enjoying leveling again on Angmar. I have never done Rohan on a Legendary world, because I left each one at level 75..... so this time I think I will stick it out longer, and get some of the Legendary only Nazgul rewards.

I do also know one thing: I will be back. The next Legendary Server, when it starts, I will be there again at the start. Starting completely from scratch. With absolutely nothing. And get involved with the right kinship again, and enjoy the fantastic community a Legendary Server is for the first 75 levels or so. And maybe I will move on after that once again...... but I will have enjoyed the madness and community once more. You just do not find that on the regular worlds.

 

[istvana]

I too left - because I hated the wraiths. And just returned when I decided they really weren't as bad as I had persuaded myself.

Population on Angmar has dropped exactly as expected. Though speeding through Rohan reduced the damage.

But the community is still wonderful - I like Mordor but Angmar may be even better.

The civility of a server is inversely proportional to its size and Mordor is larger for several reasons unrelated to its legendary status. It was the only European server, and SSG said it would be a permanent server unless population plummeted too much to allow that to happen.

 

[Zashgarad]

A decrease in the number of player was expectable.

But honestly, as a Mordor player, i find the playerbase still sufficiently significant for playing in good condition at this cap 100.
Rather easy to find people in world chat to go for some RT/WB or Tarlang quest.
And maybe some players will come back with cap 105 and the nice raid.

IMO the cap 85 is the worst of any content, we have done the hard part about population decline. I hope we can stabilize between this 200 and 300 pop connected in the same time without ano.

 

[maartena]

I think with the next Legendary Servers (and it has been confirmed there will be more, just not known when and how they will look like in terms of configuration) they should do the following:

1) Add tiers (T1 and T2) to Angmar and Moria instances, with T1 being closer to the original before they modified the Moria instances, and T2 more closely to the more difficult versions we got.

2) Let more popular zones last a little longer, unpopular zones a little shorter:
- Level 50: 4 months. (allow people to create alts, join the server, etc)
- Level 60: 3 months.
- Skip level 65, go straight to 75 - the level 65 instances are scalable anyways!: 4 months. (Ensure good rewards on all scalable instances at 75)
- 85: 2 months. (give people a bit of time to rebuild hytbold and do Erebor raids)
- 95: 2 months.
- 100: 4 months. There is just a LOT of level 100 content.
- 105: 2 months. We have a raid, but it's only 5 levels.
- 115: 3 months.

Then, after that..... shorten the times. There will still be a natural less interest at this point.

- 120: 2 months - start paid transfers.
- 130: 2 months.
- 140: 2 months.
- 150: 2 months.
- 160: 4 months to allow people to catch up, and start free transfers off.

 

[Lia777]

@istvana , I forgot about another Top Tier kinship surviving on Angmar.

They are called *Marsh Dwellers*! Super fun bunch of people, they love assisting as well and a great social clan too! Every level-cap, they lead RP slow walks to the next level quest area. Very active kinship. Good luck with your quest to find a kin. Angmar is still alive and well.