LOTRO Graphics Update/Remaster cancelled!

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maartena

Drinks Coffee All Day!
Oh I get it now. You just don't want to understand what it means.
That's OK. You just should have say it earlier.

No, I know perfectly well what it means.

1) Start by reading this article:


In particular, this here passage:

Maintenance mode is the point when an MMO is being maintained reliably but isn’t being actively developed any longer. This is almost always a net result of the game being older and not having much in the way of budget and/or active playerbase left to really appreciate active development.

2) Now, start reading all of this post earlier in this very thread:


If you had read that (which you obviously did not), you would have found out that LOTRO is still being actively developed. The amount of stuff added to the game over the last year alone, and all the stuff that has been announced already clearly states that this game is not in maintenance mode, still being actively developed, and it is still generating revenue and profit.

LOTRO really is NOT in maintenance mode and will not be any time soon. You may be as stubborn as you want to be and believe what you want to believe, but that does not make it true.
 

Harvain

Well-known member
Yeah, it's not maintenance mode. They just aren't going to provide extra resources. The Games + Development Teams will get X amount of Support & are on their own.

As was pointed out, LOTRO has gotten a lot of stuff in 2023 AND we are going to be getting the Largest Playable Content Area Update to LOTRO with U38.

The only thing we aren't getting is having X amount of Extra Money that would have been used to get X amount of Projects done much faster which would have meant that Projects for UI + Visuals would have been happening far more rapidly.
 

Estelrandir

Last Scion of the Kosartami
I remember Patience(not Sapience) responding to them and saying something to the effect "oh yeah riiiiiiiight, we're gonna spend millions and millions of dollars on this game just to shut it down." And to this day I remember her ending that post with "yeah right".

Man, those people got mad. I remember them demanding an apology for her sass LOL!!!!
I think I miss +Patience more than just about anything else from the old days of LotRO!
 

WorrBinpike

Active member
No Graphic Update ? GOOD!

Don't ruin the style of the game graphics which is perfect für Middle Earth.

I also would go further and say dont touch the landscape any more (of course fixes are allowed) till Rohan. Imho its a perfect play experience in terms how the graphics are right now.
 

Lori1979

Well-known member
It would be very helpful to get an update from LotRO’s Producer right about now. It would be nice to I hear what is in store for 2024 and beyond, in light of all this.
I'm sure at some point we will get updates about that.... the year 2023 is not yet over...
 

Elmagor

The Knights of Round Table Ambassador
It would be very helpful to get an update from LotRO’s Producer right about now. It would be nice to I hear what is in store for 2024 and beyond, in light of all this.
Too bad he don't register on this forum yet
 

maartena

Drinks Coffee All Day!
It would be very helpful to get an update from LotRO’s Producer right about now. It would be nice to I hear what is in store for 2024 and beyond, in light of all this.

There will likely be a Producer's Letter, or a "Letter to the players" in December or January 2024 that lays out the plans for 2024. That is what has happened in previous years, so I would expect something similar.

I wouldn't expect anything before then however..... they obviously have plans, and on the background they are working on things already, but most of the team is currently focused on delivering the Umbar expansion, which should launch mid-November or so.
 

Levarust

New member
The game is obviously not in a maintenance mode, yes but it's not going to be fresher, shinier, etc too. They're going to add updates, like the ones in last couple of years, some mini regional updates, maybe an UI update, something for the kinship (after the crafting, of course), an expansion for every one or two years (with an excessive price of 100 dollar and a few digital extras to justify the price). The wheel is going to turn like this for next couple of years, until the subs and those new expansion (or in game sales) are not enough to make shareholders happy. Than the maintenance and closure.

The saddest part is the fans who don't demand better and settle for the status quo. It was the curse on the Lotro from the beginning, I presume.
 

Elmagor

The Knights of Round Table Ambassador
The game is obviously not in a maintenance mode, yes but it's not going to be fresher, shinier, etc too. They're going to add updates, like the ones in last couple of years, some mini regional updates, maybe an UI update, something for the kinship (after the crafting, of course), an expansion for every one or two years (with an excessive price of 100 dollar and a few digital extras to justify the price). The wheel is going to turn like this for next couple of years, until the subs and those new expansion (or in game sales) are not enough to make shareholders happy. Than the maintenance and closure.

The saddest part is the fans who don't demand better and settle for the status quo. It was the curse on the Lotro from the beginning, I presume.
If they replace all textures in the game with new tools(they doing that right now), they can make it fresher or shiner more easy. Without that job, they will be forced to change all locations manualy.
 

Scenario_SSG

Senior World Designer
I am sad to hear the Lotro is in maintenance mode now and going to close down in 10 years... It was inevitable, and 10 years is a little less than the Lotro lifetime. So it could be worse, I suppose.
We have been and continue to be actively developing LOTRO through the release of content updates and expansions packs. That is very much the opposite of "maintenance mode".
 

StarLitEyes

Away with the fairies...
I am really very very sorry, that you still don't get what it means in reality what he said and I am also very sorry, that I can not help you to understand it.
I'm really very sorry that you don't get that Lotro is still a vibrant growing game with dedicated developers that love what they do. You can see that from their posts, live streams, and their plans. I'm also sorry that I cannot help you understand that.
 

CaerArianrhod

Guardian of Erebrandir's Horseshoe's Secret
No, I know perfectly well what it means.

1) Start by reading this article:


In particular, this here passage:

Maintenance mode is the point when an MMO is being maintained reliably but isn’t being actively developed any longer. This is almost always a net result of the game being older and not having much in the way of budget and/or active playerbase left to really appreciate active development.

2) Now, start reading all of this post earlier in this very thread:


If you had read that (which you obviously did not), you would have found out that LOTRO is still being actively developed. The amount of stuff added to the game over the last year alone, and all the stuff that has been announced already clearly states that this game is not in maintenance mode, still being actively developed, and it is still generating revenue and profit.

LOTRO really is NOT in maintenance mode and will not be any time soon. You may be as stubborn as you want to be and believe what you want to believe, but that does not make it true.

First of all, I do not ignore you. Quite the opposite is true: I like you.
Otherwise, I wouldn't even bother to answer to your posts.
At one point in life, you will learn that definitions are fine as long as reality don't hit.
If you read the definition on wiki you will find another definition. There are indeed many type of maintenance mode, like preventive, opportunistic, selective, predictive, traditional, just to name a few.

If you read my post, you saw that I never said, that we don't get content updates.
You can look at "massively" for sure, but what you read there is their interpretation of the EG7 stream. So if you want first-hand information, just watch the stream.
I quote the "interesting" part again:

Existing live games will be maintained with:
Investment necessary to fully support the existing titles and community
But no major investments

A major investment would have been something like the remastering or the console version of the game, finding & fixing the reasons for the lags, new hardware etc.
But of course, we can start a discussion about what the word "necessary" and "fully" means here.
However, if you fallowed the video link to the older video, you would know what the plan was for LOTRO etc.
Now is clear that nothing from that will happen, what was promised. No additional investment, no additional human resources etc.

You don't have to worry, LOTRO will not see a shutdown (at least not very soon) as it still brings enough money to cover its costs. No one will lose his/her job etc.
SSG will be SSG as it is. And the game will be the game also, as it is. More stuff to find and fix lag issues? Nope. More stuff to help with testing, bug fixing? Nope.
New hardware? Nope. I am long enough in the software business to know that a phrase like "Investment necessary to fully support the existing titles and community" exactly means when said by a CEO.
If SSG decide to do something about some issues of the game, they are on their own. And such time investments will collide with the "business plan" which SSG have had to deliver to EG7.
When you watched that long stream, you will recognize how well EG7 knows about the loyalty of LOTROs customers. They know exactly, as long as the game is running, those loyal lemmings will play and pay.
You can say "that is business as usual for LOTRO" and you will be right with it. But that's exactly the problem. Everything what we got and will get in the future is only on top of these decade old engines and systems with no chance to replace or rewrite them because that is not considered as necessary. More content: yes. A better performing game: no! You can use as many definitions as you like, but SSG will just and only maintain the status quo and nothing else.

PS: one thing you maybe should know, why this is all happening. After the debacle with Cold Iron the stocks of EG7 dropped around 20% in value. Guess what would make investors happy?
 
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Pharone

Twitch Streamer
In the past year, they have...
  • Released Before the Shadow which opened up Swanfleet and Cardolan, new epic story, new starting area
  • Added the delving system
  • Added 3 instances (Return to Carn Dum
  • Added a raid (Gwathrenost, the Witch-king's Citadel)
  • Revamped the Warden class
  • Revamped the Captain class
  • Revamped the Guardian class
  • Released Gondor Renewed
  • Brought Landscape Difficulty to all servers
  • Added a new player race (River Hobbit)
  • Added a new player housing area (Holbytlan)
  • Revamped the Beorning class
  • Redid the human models
  • and they are releasing a whole new expansion soon(TM) with a ton of new landscape, dungeons, raids, new playable class, and a huge crafting revamp
I would tend to think that is about as far from maintenance mode as humanly possible.
 

Kipp

Member
To be honest, of all the things I'd like to see added/changed in LOTRO, graphics is not really on that list and its not really something people mention in my stream often either. (Except maybe the weird LoD thing, its weird that those of us with more modern PCs can't disable it.) Are the graphics cutting edge next-gen graphics that are the talk of the gaming world? No. It's not Everquest 1 either though. I think they are fine.
 

Westnovote

Well-known member
I find it surreal that people are actually debating whether the game is in maintenance mode when we're on the cusp on a brand new expansion.

Quite bizarre what people will argue over sometimes.

It must be so dispiriting for the devs (or perhaps it's laughable?) to read this stuff when you're working to make new content.
 

Lori1979

Well-known member
First of all, I do not ignore you. Quite the opposite is true: I like you.
Otherwise, I wouldn't even bother to answer to your posts.
At one point in life, you will learn that definitions are fine as long as reality don't hit.
If you read the definition on wiki you will find another definition. There are indeed many type of maintenance mode, like preventive, opportunistic, selective, predictive, traditional, just to name a few.

If you read my post, you saw that I never said, that we don't get content updates.
You can look at "massively" for sure, but what you read there is their interpretation of the EG7 stream. So if you want first-hand information, just watch the stream.
I quote the "interesting" part again:

Existing live games will be maintained with:
Investment necessary to fully support the existing titles and community
But no major investments

A major investment would have been something like the remastering or the console version of the game, finding & fixing the reasons for the lags, new hardware etc.
But of course, we can start a discussion about what the word "necessary" and "fully" means here.
However, if you fallowed the video link to the older video, you would know what the plan was for LOTRO etc.
Now is clear that nothing from that will happen, what was promised. No additional investment, no additional human resources etc.

You don't have to worry, LOTRO will not see a shutdown (at least not very soon) as it still brings enough money to cover its costs. No one will lose his/her job etc.
SSG will be SSG as it is. And the game will be the game also, as it is. More stuff to find and fix lag issues? Nope. More stuff to help with testing, bug fixing? Nope.
New hardware? Nope. I am long enough in the software business to know that a phrase like "Investment necessary to fully support the existing titles and community" exactly means when said by a CEO.
If SSG decide to do something about some issues of the game, they are on their own. And such time investments will collide with the "business plan" which SSG have had to deliver to EG7.
When you watched that long stream, you will recognize how well EG7 knows about the loyalty of LOTROs customers. They know exactly, as long as the game is running, those loyal lemmings will play and pay.
You can say "that is business as usual for LOTRO" and you will be right with it. But that's exactly the problem. Everything what we got and will get in the future is only on top of these decade old engines and systems with no chance to replace or rewrite them because that is not considered as necessary. More content: yes. A better performing game: no! You can use as many definitions as you like, but SSG will just and only maintain the status quo and nothing else.

PS: one thing you maybe should know, why this is all happening. After the debacle with Cold Iron the stocks of EG7 dropped around 20% in value. Guess what would make investors happy?
dude, for the love of all that's pretty: stop this pointless debate! Enough is enough!
 

Elmagor

The Knights of Round Table Ambassador
First of all, I do not ignore you. Quite the opposite is true: I like you.
Otherwise, I wouldn't even bother to answer to your posts.
At one point in life, you will learn that definitions are fine as long as reality don't hit.
If you read the definition on wiki you will find another definition. There are indeed many type of maintenance mode, like preventive, opportunistic, selective, predictive, traditional, just to name a few.

If you read my post, you saw that I never said, that we don't get content updates.
You can look at "massively" for sure, but what you read there is their interpretation of the EG7 stream. So if you want first-hand information, just watch the stream.
I quote the "interesting" part again:

Existing live games will be maintained with:
Investment necessary to fully support the existing titles and community
But no major investments

A major investment would have been something like the remastering or the console version of the game, finding & fixing the reasons for the lags, new hardware etc.
But of course, we can start a discussion about what the word "necessary" and "fully" means here.
However, if you fallowed the video link to the older video, you would know what the plan was for LOTRO etc.
Now is clear that nothing from that will happen, what was promised. No additional investment, no additional human resources etc.

You don't have to worry, LOTRO will not see a shutdown (at least not very soon) as it still brings enough money to cover its costs. No one will lose his/her job etc.
SSG will be SSG as it is. And the game will be the game also, as it is. More stuff to find and fix lag issues? Nope. More stuff to help with testing, bug fixing? Nope.
New hardware? Nope. I am long enough in the software business to know that a phrase like "Investment necessary to fully support the existing titles and community" exactly means when said by a CEO.
If SSG decide to do something about some issues of the game, they are on their own. And such time investments will collide with the "business plan" which SSG have had to deliver to EG7.
When you watched that long stream, you will recognize how well EG7 knows about the loyalty of LOTROs customers. They know exactly, as long as the game is running, those loyal lemmings will play and pay.
You can say "that is business as usual for LOTRO" and you will be right with it. But that's exactly the problem. Everything what we got and will get in the future is only on top of these decade old engines and systems with no chance to replace or rewrite them because that is not considered as necessary. More content: yes. A better performing game: no! You can use as many definitions as you like, but SSG will just and only maintain the status quo and nothing else.

PS: one thing you maybe should know, why this is all happening. After the debacle with Cold Iron the stocks of EG7 dropped around 20% in value. Guess what would make investors happy?
1)Since you put so much efforts into proving what Lotro don't get any big support from EG7, maybe you need give us more info about what difference we have with that. How much money they invest in SSG in the past (and when), what efforts from SSG needs such amount of money, what changes we will have right now without money from EG7 comparing with past time

2)I play Age of Conan when this MMO goes into maintenance mode. So I can see difference when game was actively developed and when game lose support. I seen amount of servers, amount of players on this servers, finance reports from Funcom. We seen what game failing to survive, and experience that. If we choice any top Lotro servers, any of them have more players comparing with all AoC servers in same time. It looks like you really disappointed with EG7 decision, but we don't have any faith into Graphic Revamp since it was announced. Nothing changes for us. You have no clue what you talking about. Console version of Lotro? How it can happen? Like "Please don't watch into our minstrel healing, instead of 40 skills he have only 8 buttons"?

3)New hardware or reasons for the lags? Developers openly saying about reasons of lags, and how they deal with them. They know their game, and EG7 can't join process and with snap of fingers remove all sources of lags. New hardware? If you want to discuss new hardware, you at least need to know what hardware they using right now. Did you have that info? Sure you don't have any clue too.
 
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