Forester Event Bad for the Server Communities

Nuke_Spook

Active member
Exploits that benefit one individual over an instance may be irritating. Exploits that give one player an advantage over other players in an event are so much more frustrating. Events outside Ettenmoors should not be, effectively, PvP to earn rewards. This kind of negative behavior can percolate through a server and set up lots of hostility to the overall detriment of that community. The Forester event should be completely revamped so there is no benefit for having an exploit over other players or just gotten rid of completely (IMO).
 

Mr Conflicts

Ambor of Treebeard
Is there some exploit that gives people an advantage? I am playing on Treebeard and as a VIP-only server, the population is much lower so I can run the Forrester event alone. I have only lost once, and I personally didn't mind because you can trade up for winner ribbons, or if you win you can convert the winner ribbons into the other ribbons. It is nice to have a variety of events in this game and taking it out seems silly because you don't have to do this event if you don't want to. You are simply coming across as a sore loser and want to ruin it for everyone because you are having trouble winning. If there really is an exploit, then report the players doing the exploit that is against the terms of service.
 

Mr Conflicts

Ambor of Treebeard
Yes, there's loads, including one where people are able to skip ahead in the race from the very start.


Want to retract that and offer an apology?
No, I don't think there is any need to apologize. I still don't get why the fact that some people are upset over an event that has slight PvP-like elements in it means that SSG should completely revamp the entire event. That seems like an overreaction to having trouble winning in the event. I suspect things won't be so bad as they add other events and spread people out over the other events. This will make this event less competitive as it would no longer be the only way to get these ribbons like it is currently.
 

Ulodire

Member
No, I don't think there is any need to apologize. I still don't get why the fact that some people are upset over an event that has slight PvP-like elements in it means that SSG should completely revamp the entire event. That seems like an overreaction to having trouble winning in the event. I suspect things won't be so bad as they add other events and spread people out over the other events. This will make this event less competitive as it would no longer be the only way to get these ribbons like it is currently.

Do you know about this method of stealing the first place award?
They just stand and watch you complete the stages of the competition, while he has already stolen the award, even when I come first, I will receive the award for 2nd place.
 

Happy Kirby

Well-known member
Ofc everyone knows. It's just pure complaining because of pvp is just weird term in a mmo to me. Normally pvp events need sometime to fix the bug. And this is because no one willing to show their cheats in beta so bugs will slip in server.

The more concerning is what @Orion said rank 3+ would get runner up ribbon. But now that's not the case
 

Nuke_Spook

Active member
Is there some exploit that gives people an advantage? I am playing on Treebeard and as a VIP-only server, the population is much lower so I can run the Forrester event alone. I have only lost once, and I personally didn't mind because you can trade up for winner ribbons, or if you win you can convert the winner ribbons into the other ribbons. It is nice to have a variety of events in this game and taking it out seems silly because you don't have to do this event if you don't want to. You are simply coming across as a sore loser and want to ruin it for everyone because you are having trouble winning. If there really is an exploit, then report the players doing the exploit that is against the terms of service.
and you are coming across as the south end of a northbound mule....and you never acknowledge when people informed you that, yes, there are exploits going on. Glad you are on Treebeard where you have no competition, but fair competition means everyone has an equal chance....guess you are opposed to that. I wonder why?
 

istvana

This *is* the other place.
but fair competition means everyone has an equal chance.

Yet you repeatedly attack people claiming that the known exploits make the competition unfair because everyone does *not* have an equal chance. I won't say what you come across as - it isn't at all necessary.
 

Maryna

Well-known member
As we never learn without experience then perhaps you might want to spend half an hour making a Beorning on Treebeard and put on a show: "Come See the Dancing bear" will have folk come a rushing? One or two other servers need enlightening, even as to which is their server's "Axe".

The festivals are all about player vs player fights to get to the pickup faster than the next guy, have been for years. Just doesn't mean a day for a redo or 5MC 21 - 29 minutes later.
 

Thurinuor

Well-known member
The PVP aspect in this event is really cool but I think the rewards for 2nd and 3th places are a joke. The ratio is 100:1 for first place to a "loser" and that makes it not fun.
 

Grotmaggot

sends his regards!
I think you may want to change your perspective on this a little bit.
Yes, the forester event is a little bit competitive, with a first and second place prize, but the 'runners up', that is, everyone else, still gets participation medals and can still progress through even if they are last.
You can earn rewards regardless of your performance, while intimate knowledge about the event, as well as skill and quickness, which all comes through practice, is also rewarded.

If there's one guy consistently winning by half a mile (don't assume exploit, but do keep an eye on them), there will be a time where he isn't even playing the event, in fact depending on who is available on your server, lots of people have a good chance to win.

It's a very simple task that everyone can have a go at, a race where everyone is the same speed (or at least they are supposed to be), everyone is on an equal playing field. Unlike actual PvP or almost any other activity that isn't a festival, stats aren't brought into the equation.

Imagine if there was actual PvP fighting involved in the event, there'd be a bloodbath and people would lose their minds. As much as I long for the return of the Bombadil server, the crafting event is not PvP. It would be thematically inappropriate to have that gameplay in a crafting event.

If there are exploits, know this. There was one man responsible for the entire event and he has a lot of work on his plate, and there isn't really any internal testing teams for this kind of thing AFAIK. So once again, players have to test it on live.

Feedback is great, because at the present moment its still being looked at and adjusted. So if you see anything sus, send a bug report.
The event seems functionally sound, that is, you can play it and it generally works as intended. But in order to find any exploits and squash them, people need to witness it happen, the developer needs to be made aware.

Focusing entirely on the competitive aspect of the event and being upset because you didn't place first isn't a great mindset. In this case, you should focus on yourself, worry less about the others and just do your best. It's not supposed to be a super serious and competitive event.

I personally don't buy that whole "negative behavior and can filter through a server and affect the community" thing. Something with a competitive aspect is not a negative thing on its own. It's how players see it.
Having an incentive to be the fastest can make the event much more engaging. But at the same time you shouldn't feel stressed about winning the event. Lotro is one of those 'play at your own pace' sort of games so I can certainly see where people are coming from when they are presented something that can be seen as competitive, right in the heart of a level 10 area.
I wouldn't worry about winning, I would say report bugs or exploits though. Because that does affect everyone regardless of skill level.

It's really down to how people treat the event, if someone takes such an event super seriously and start attacking others over it, then the issue is on them, not the event. If someone is frustrated over the fact that others may beat them and focus more on missing out over what they gain, that's also on them.
 

Happy Kirby

Well-known member
This I agree, although too long. All in all, most of the issue here (except for bugs) is just ego problems like afraid of people seeing your skills, afraid of losing, too obsessed on winning and become toxic and attack others over it.

Being in gladden, I really want to find some players to compete just for fun but failed to just find any, only max is 2.

I don't really obsessed on getting all rewards either although I agree it could be lowered to 1:10 max instead of 1:50
 

Gildoriel

Guardian of the Citadel
What pvp aspect ? Isnt forester even pure pve ?
If you finish after other players, you get only 10% (if you are 2nd) or 1% of the rewards the 1st placed player gets. So yes, PvP. At least it's not "The winner takes it all".
 

Laurelinarien

Witness to the Sun and Moon
I agree, PvP for crafters is a really bad idea. I play Lotro on Belegaer because we have no PvP on our server. If i get PvP in Lotro i will leave.
Shows how disconnected from crafters they've been for years. And it hasn't changed.
Wait till all the revamps happen and we still don't have a good crafting system.
 

istvana

This *is* the other place.
And we now have two new pieces of information. One - the forester event is shut down for exploit fixes. Yes, as currently implemented, it was bad for server communities.

Two - one of the major crafting changes that was being worked on will not happen for the foreseeable future. Umbar crafting will not be separated from all other crafting and not require any prerequisites. Be another tier on top of the old tiers and will require at least Gundabad proficiency.
 

Nuke_Spook

Active member
Yet you repeatedly attack people claiming that the known exploits make the competition unfair because everyone does *not* have an equal chance. I won't say what you come across as - it isn't at all necessary.
and you also ignore the fact that I was referring to people using exploits not being more skilled or having learned the route better to remove hesitation. As to the repeatedly attacked comment, no idea where you get repeatedly or thought I should accept negative references without responding, which isn't going to happen. Guess you are another person using exploits in the competition.
 
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