Buying LoM now or later?

Are you buying LoM now or later?


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Arnenna

Defender of the Great Apes
Before release - since I can afford to buy for cash and want to support the game I always do buy for cash. Well worth the cost given the amount of time I play.

I *am* holding off to see if the protests over the lack of a Valar result in any changes. Currently I cannot talk myself into either higher priced package - add a Valar and that may make the difference. Yes I know I can buy the basic package now and upgrade but I would rather simply wait.

Add an xp item that is *not* an earring and I will buy even faster but I do not expect such.
The decision to include Valars has been made, and published. One valar in all packages, and an extra, ultimate valar in the highest package. Players that bought before the changes, will get these items at launch.

Check it out on the Expansion page.

 

bannedfortalkinglore

just wanted to know source material
Just yesterday I played Battle of Minas Tirith again. Just like every other time it managed to bug out in quest progression. Leaving me standing there, getting pounded by enemy catapult, with no catapult to defend myself, because that just the way the dice rolled. I had to leave and reset the instance, just like I have every other time I've played it. It always bugs out once, just like everything else.

I was considering buying LoM up to that point. Thank you, SSG, for the reminder. After spending an hour after school wasted on buggy quest progression, I gave up. Thank you SSG for wasting an hour of my time on yet another buggy quest progression.

I thought, "Hey, its a great time to buy the latest expansion. What with us heading into the tail-end of Harad content."

But H E L L
N. O.

I'll get LoM for points in 2-3 years now for all I care.
 

mirablue5

Well-known member
And what reality, pray tell, are you living in? Everything but the two most recent expansions are free with V.I.P. And they've given out lump sum codes for everything up to Mordor how many times now?
So, in other words, those expansions aren't free.
 

Arnenna

Defender of the Great Apes
Just yesterday I played Battle of Minas Tirith again. Just like every other time it managed to bug out in quest progression. Leaving me standing there, getting pounded by enemy catapult, with no catapult to defend myself, because that just the way the dice rolled. I had to leave and reset the instance, just like I have every other time I've played it. It always bugs out once, just like everything else.

I was considering buying LoM up to that point. Thank you, SSG, for the reminder. After spending an hour after school wasted on buggy quest progression, I gave up. Thank you SSG for wasting an hour of my time on yet another buggy quest progression.

I thought, "Hey, its a great time to buy the latest expansion. What with us heading into the tail-end of Harad content."

But H E L L
N. O.

I'll get LoM for points in 2-3 years now for all I care.
You know there are catapults on both sides that you can use right?
 

Arnenna

Defender of the Great Apes
I swear being a member of this community requires self deletion of brain cells.
They're not wrong though.

Anything that requires VIP for access, is not free for anyone paying a sub. Sure, some will say it's free for lifers, but . . . they paid up front, a long time ago. So again. not free. Regular paying subscribers rent that content, which can, depending on how long they rent if for, cost more than buying it outright.
 

JohnMHammer

Well-known member
I was going to purchase on Day 2 (because I prefer to allow other people to discover problems and then wait for them to be repaired before purchasing) but I am now planning to wait until October 17th, the day after the planned patch which will add the Level 150 Level-up Packages.

It would be great if people who prepurchased already could show us those packages (with screenshots) and their contents in detail when they become available after patch and maintenance on October 16th!
 

Arnenna

Defender of the Great Apes
The ones in range were destroyed. That's the part I meant by "that's just the way the dice rolled". There was a catapult at the other end, but out of range.

But thank-you.
Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly. Those catapults are out of range for a bit during the battle. While out of range, they cannot harm you. They eventually move within range, so that they can harm you, but you can also target them.

They come in two waves. The first ones, destroy those, and then the other one comes down the slope a bit later.
 

Arnenna

Defender of the Great Apes
I was going to purchase on Day 2 (because I prefer to allow other people to discover problems and then wait for them to be repaired before purchasing) but I am now planning to wait until October 17th, the day after the planned patch which will add the Level 150 Level-up Packages.

It would be great if people who prepurchased already could show us those packages (with screenshots) and their contents in detail when they become available after patch and maintenance on October 16th!
This is my strategy. If an expansion is fully to my taste and I like the fluff items etc, I will pre-order the high pack. If not, I will usually purchase the base, then look for a supporter pack for cosmetics instead. If buying the base, I usually wait until just after launch, so I can check out the forum for anything major going pear-shaped, then depending on what it is, I will either make the decision to buy regardless, or wait for the fix.

It's no secret that I deem this expansion a quest pack. I've been open about it. It will be base pack only for me this time around, and no supporter pack to make up for it.

There is a very good review and preview of everything at the link below, from Ghyn.

 

bannedfortalkinglore

just wanted to know source material
Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly. Those catapults are out of range for a bit during the battle. While out of range, they cannot harm you. They eventually move within range, so that they can harm you, but you can also target them.

They come in two waves. The first ones, destroy those, and then the other one comes down the slope a bit later.
Yes, the battle is complicated to describe. There are enemy catapult the spawn to destroy yours. These are different from the "non-visible", far catapults for cosmetic purpose. When the progression bugs you are either:

a) left with no spawned enemy catapult to destroy. So you're getting pounded by the far catapult you cannot destroy.
b) left with a spawned enemy catapult to mock you over having no in-range ballista to defend yourself.

I'm 100% positive destroying the enemy catapult isn't part of the progression bug. As, after reset, it always progresses without having to destroy them. It's just a pain to endure on every character at least once. It's entirely possible the progression bug is due to "clear as mud" progression queues Oh well 🤷‍♀️
 

MadeOfLions

Epic Designer
It's no secret that I deem this expansion a quest pack.
As quests are the number one thing I spend all my time making (and have for nineteen years!), feedback like this fills my heart with a sense of joy and appreciation. Just kidding -- but I am used to it. :D

But whenever someone does say 'this is just a quest pack!' I urge you to remember that most quest packs are much, much, much smaller. Most of the Epic chapters you'd get in a quest pack had nine or ten quests in it, and maybe an instance or two. Legacy of Morgoth has five times that, at least. It's big. And if you've watched Scenario's streams, you'll know that the geography is a lot bigger (and more varied!) than you'd get in Just A Quest Pack.

I think it's exciting whenever the story advances and we see new places, whether it's in a smaller quest pack or in a big new expansion, but Legacy of Morgoth is that second one. If it was the first one it would have come out a lot closer to Corsairs of Umbar.

MoL
 

Gildoriel

Guardian of the Citadel
After having regained the ability to make cash purchases on my primary account, I'll buy the expansion after my main finishes the current Umbar content (quests and deeds). Which may be before the expansion is released at my current progress rate. Waking up at 4am has the incredible benefit of two additional hours of playtime during an otherwise busy workday.
 

Onno

Well-known member
But whenever someone does say 'this is just a quest pack!' I urge you to remember that most quest packs are much, much, much smaller. Most of the Epic chapters you'd get in a quest pack had nine or ten quests in it, and maybe an instance or two. Legacy of Morgoth has five times that, at least. It's big. And if you've watched Scenario's streams, you'll know that the geography is a lot bigger (and more varied!) than you'd get in Just A Quest Pack.

I think it's exciting whenever the story advances and we see new places, whether it's in a smaller quest pack or in a big new expansion, but Legacy of Morgoth is that second one. If it was the first one it would have come out a lot closer to Corsairs of Umbar.

MoL

Well, if you insist, let's compare it to another "real" expansion, like Fate of Gundabad.

For the same price, we got 7 regions, a level cap increase, a new LI system, missions and an allegiance.
And on top of that, even the standard edition came with the Brawler Class, an extra character slot and expedition supplies.

That was much, much, much more value for the same money.

4 reagions and a couple of "epic" story chapters ... I fail to see how you could call this a "big new expansion".
Maybe you could call it a big quest pack, and for that, it's much (much, much) too expensive.
 
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Arnenna

Defender of the Great Apes
As quests are the number one thing I spend all my time making (and have for nineteen years!), feedback like this fills my heart with a sense of joy and appreciation. Just kidding -- but I am used to it. :D

But whenever someone does say 'this is just a quest pack!' I urge you to remember that most quest packs are much, much, much smaller. Most of the Epic chapters you'd get in a quest pack had nine or ten quests in it, and maybe an instance or two. Legacy of Morgoth has five times that, at least. It's big. And if you've watched Scenario's streams, you'll know that the geography is a lot bigger (and more varied!) than you'd get in Just A Quest Pack.

I think it's exciting whenever the story advances and we see new places, whether it's in a smaller quest pack or in a big new expansion, but Legacy of Morgoth is that second one. If it was the first one it would have come out a lot closer to Corsairs of Umbar.

MoL
Thanks for the response, and I understand, from the Dev point of view, its probably not too nice to read it when someone says "It's just a quest pack."

I get your example, but, I have a few of my own too.

The Ride of the Grey Company - Immense landscape, lots of new quests, In Your Absence cluster, OD Raid.
Great River - new quests, brand new area, fellowship area, group content.
Ashes of Osgiliath - 140 new quests, brand new area, instance cluster, some real great Epic moments (Gothmog etc).
Far Anorien - 5 new levels, 2 new areas, new quests (though not that many), 12 man raid (arguably the best one in the game, with Rift and Remmorchant close behind), instance cluster, and one of the best Epic quest lines ever. I'm sure writing the Ride of the Rohirrim must hold fond memories for you, and that ending, still gives me goosebumps.
Where Dragons Dwell - two immense and varied new landscapes, 120 quests, instance cluster, and a raid.
Vales of Anduin - 150 quests, brand new, different, and varied landscape, 6 main instance.

Those are a few examples of quest packs. There are more.

I just don't see the extra 100 or so quests making up the difference. I'm sure the world building and story telling will be excellent, it always is, but Umbar (which I did deem a proper expansion, due to the level cap raise and of course, completely different types of biomes) did take me a little by surprise when almost half of it was set in King's Gondor. I'm kinda expecting this one to go the same way, but in Umbar. But the biggest non-expac thing about it for me, is the lack of new levels. It's a first for a full expansion.
 
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istvana

This *is* the other place.
One of the arguments repeated more than once is that the expansion is less valuable because it has no level increase. I disagree strongly.

An expansion should be judged on size and quality of content. How much bang for the buck it gives obviously depends on what else it includes - if anything - such as valars, a class, a race, etc.

But a level cap increase is not a plus to many of us it is a minus. If they can keep us just as busy without adding the bloat that new levels after new levels after new levels have added over the years that is GOOD design not poor design.
 

Arnenna

Defender of the Great Apes
One of the arguments repeated more than once is that the expansion is less valuable because it has no level increase. I disagree strongly.

An expansion should be judged on size and quality of content. How much bang for the buck it gives obviously depends on what else it includes - if anything - such as valars, a class, a race, etc.

But a level cap increase is not a plus to many of us it is a minus. If they can keep us just as busy without adding the bloat that new levels after new levels after new levels have added over the years that is GOOD design not poor design.
Each to their own. For me, without new levels there is no progression other than gear progressions, and all that does is make current gear, of the same level, obsolete. I have to say though, I prefer 5 level increases, over 10 level increases. They are far more manageable.

I know many players don't like level increases (and many players do). Thing is though, by the time you play through those 350 quests, you will have gained all those levels anyway, unless you plan on not playing them. The gear rewards from it will surpass most players current gear (unless they are in top end raid gears, but hey, the new raid will soon undo all that).

Even without a level increase, LI level is going up, virtue ranks are going up - the grind is there, regardless, levels would just slot in naturally alongside it.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how many players disagree with my take on new levels. It's not their money buying the expansion for me to play, it's mine.
 
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FeanorDidNothingWrong

Jail-crow of Mandos
I normally get them right away with cash, but I’m focusing on the legendary server right now and think I’m gonna stick there for the time being. I’m not unhappy with the new expansion in any way, so it has nothing to do with that. I feel like I need a break from my completionist main. It’s too hard to grind everything, so I’m hoping that taking a break on him for a few years will reinvigorate me.

One thing I forgot to mention is that focusing on the legendary servers gives me the most bang for my buck for my VIP sub. VIP includes many things, but it really loses value during the expansion updates vs. quest pack updates. Otherwise I’m just paying for shared storage and quick travel. I’m in towns enough that the mobile stuff is nice and a welcome perk, but it’s not a big deal.
 
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