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  1. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidmeetHal View Post
    I’m going from memory because I don’t have access to my books right now, but didn’t Butterbur just say to give some advanced notice first before doing any tricks because his customers get rattled?

    I forget the exact words, but it was something to that effect.
    'All right, Mr. Underhill! But if you're going to do any more tumbling, or conjuring, or
    whatever it was, you'd best warn folk beforehand – and warn me. We're a bit
    suspicious round here of anything out of the way – uncanny, if you understand me;
    and we don't take to it all of a sudden.'

    FOTR, 'At the Sign of the Prancing Pony'

    Butterbur doesn't know what it was so he'd sooner believe it was trickery of some sort. In the bbok, places like Bree are low fantasy and the people there wouldn't be used to seeing any actual magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    'All right, Mr. Underhill! But if you're going to do any more tumbling, or conjuring, or
    whatever it was, you'd best warn folk beforehand – and warn me. We're a bit
    suspicious round here of anything out of the way – uncanny, if you understand me;
    and we don't take to it all of a sudden.'

    FOTR, 'At the Sign of the Prancing Pony'

    Butterbur doesn't know what it was so he'd sooner believe it was trickery of some sort. In the bbok, places like Bree are low fantasy and the people there wouldn't be used to seeing any actual magic.
    Thanks Rad!
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  3. #228
    So I don't miss you in bree a wizard hobbit?
    I just want an answer, yes?
    or not? I miss them there is no other question



    about the orcas Tolkien said that the orcs continued to reproduce but he did not name a female orc it could be by magic or like the valar spirits you can give me a test that names a woman or a female orc

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodin12 View Post
    So I don't miss you in bree a wizard hobbit?
    I just want an answer, yes?
    or not? I miss them there is no other question



    about the orcas Tolkien said that the orcs continued to reproduce but he did not name a female orc it could be by magic or like the valar spirits you can give me a test that names a woman or a female orc
    Tolkien mentioned orc-woman in the Munby letter. This letter sold at auction 20 years ago.
    Sometimes, no matter how hard you look, there is no best light.


  5. #230
    DavidmeetHal 5 are expecting another child joke
    About the letter, it's a shame they sold it to remove the proof one thing and the thing about Bree and the magician I miss them or n no I just want an answer yes or no

  6. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by rodin12 View Post
    So I don't miss you in bree a wizard hobbit?
    You've had your answer. We know for a fact that hobbits didn't do magic because Tolkien tells us that as narrative. The bystanders in the Prancing Pony didn't know that for a fact because they weren't used to seeing magic and had no clue about it.

    This is commonplace in storytelling, the readers may know something that the characters don't.

    about the orcas Tolkien said that the orcs continued to reproduce but he did not name a female orc it could be by magic or like the valar spirits you can give me a test that names a woman or a female orc
    In the Silmarillion it says "the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Iluvatar" (i.e. they were alive in the same way we are and had children the same way we do) and in that letter Amenna mentioned we're told that:

    "There must have been orc-women. But in stories that seldom if ever see the Orcs except as soldiers of armies in the service of the evil lords we naturally would not learn much about their lives. Not much was known"

    We don't get to see Orc-women because it's the male Orcs who do the fighting, and we never get to see the home life of Orcs. Nonetheless, there obviously had to be Orc-women somewhere. That was Tolkien giving a direct answer to a question so there's no reason to doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodin12 View Post
    DavidmeetHal 5 are expecting another child joke
    Jokes about hobbits? I haven't made one of those in a while.

    Seriously though, I really see no need from a lore or gameplay perspective for the existence of lore master hobbits. I'm not against it, and won't get upset if it happens, but there really is no reason to introduce them in game. Lorewise, hobbits just don't do that kind of stuff, and game play wise, there are already several races that can be a lore master.

    I really would hate for the options to spread, it would just make character selection generic.
    "Grandchildren are God's reward for not killing your children when you wanted to."

  8. #233
    if the characters don't know in the novel they don't know in the game either There is no law written in the novel that condemns with death penalty if a hobbit studies ancient arts or alchemy or if he controls animals and forces of nature
    And we don't know the home life of the orcs with their wife, children and puppy either, it's a guess, maybe there were gay orcs with a husband hahaha



    what a love to the orc you have this is not wow with your baby green orcs if it is not aion for my hobbit wizard it is not wow for baby orc with wife and family

  9. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by rodin12 View Post
    if the characters don't know in the novel they don't know in the game either There is no law written in the novel that condemns with death penalty if a hobbit studies ancient arts or alchemy or if he controls animals and forces of nature
    And we don't know the home life of the orcs with their wife, children and puppy either, it's a guess, maybe there were gay orcs with a husband hahaha



    what a love to the orc you have this is not wow with your baby green orcs if it is not aion for my hobbit wizard it is not wow for baby orc with wife and family
    One last meal for the troll.
    Get it through your head. Tolkien created this world. It exists because he made it up. If he said there were female orcs we never got to see, then they were there. If he said Hobbits didn't mess with magic, then they don't. Grow up and get over it. If you don't like the way this Middle Earth functions, go make up your own world. (just don't steal anything from Tolkien if you do, or the copywrite lawyer gremlins will get you.)

  10. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by rodin12 View Post
    if the characters don't know in the novel they don't know in the game either There is no law written in the novel that condemns with death penalty if a hobbit studies ancient arts or alchemy or if he controls animals and forces of nature
    If hobbits had been just like Men they'd have been owned by the Ring just like Men. Congratulations, you just destroyed the entire plot of LOTR.

    And we don't know the home life of the orcs with their wife, children and puppy either, it's a guess, maybe there were gay orcs with a husband hahaha

    what a love to the orc you have this is not wow with your baby green orcs if it is not aion for my hobbit wizard it is not wow for baby orc with wife and family
    What, did you expect Tolkien to draw you a diagram? Nobody said Orcs would play happy families - we've got the gist, we really don't need every horrid detail to be spelled out for us.

  11. #236
    hahaha no I work in the company I can't make a world I'm not a computer engineer and the lawyer is not going to kill me for saying I want a class in a game I'm nobody to steal anything don't be naive I'm not from gss

    I add if he said there are killer whales but you can't see what the killer whales are doing fighting in the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodin12 View Post
    hahaha no I work in the company I can't make a world I'm not a computer engineer and the lawyer is not going to kill me for saying I want a class in a game I'm nobody to steal anything don't be naive I'm not from gss

    I add if he said there are killer whales but you can't see what the killer whales are doing fighting in the game
    Perhaps this will make it a bit clearer for you.

    1. If the book (or any Tolkien writings) don't mention something, then that something can be made up in the game. We see this with all the various mobs and NPC names.

    2. If the book (or any Tolkien writings) do mention something, then the game more or less has to stay within that. Tolkien mentioned female orcs, so SSG is free to add those to the game if they see fit, hence why we see one in Gundabad. Tolkien also wrote that Hobbits are a simple folk, that enjoy farming, the land and socialising, stating "We are plain quiet folk, and I have no use for adventures. Nasty, disturbing and uncomfortable things. Also that they do not use magic, or use magical objects beyond the occasional items made by others - e.g. Numenorean swords and the phial of Galadriel used by Frodo.

    Putting a female orc into the game breaks no rules as it's not changing Tolkien's writing. If he had written "there are no female orcs" then we wouldn't be able to have one in game.
    Putting Hobbits playing with magic into the game breaks rules because it changes something that Tolkien wrote.
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  13. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Phantion View Post
    I second that serious question- getting us back to the OP. Any word on this? Anyone? Would love if a Blue-Name could comment if possible

    Cheers!


    I am glad you ask and yes, I think we should go back to my original OP


    Well hello there fellow Middle-earth adventurers. Just popping in for my twice a year visit to my very own thread

    Still waiting to hear about this so let me ask again, any news....hearsay....gossip..... whisper on if and when we will see the River-Hobbits as a new playable race ?

    Thanks in advance for all your kind replies
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  14. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Amorey View Post
    I am glad you ask and yes, I think we should go back to my original OP


    Well hello there fellow Middle-earth adventurers. Just popping in for my twice a year visit to my very own thread

    Still waiting to hear about this so let me ask again, any news....hearsay....gossip..... whisper on if and when we will see the River-Hobbits as a new playable race ?

    Thanks in advance for all your kind replies
    I try to keep track on what is said, and so far nothing yet, not since last time i posted news when severlin said they want to get Gundabad out the door first, they will do it when there is time for it, but we did get second best thing, a whole new shire region that has been great to explore.
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    I am intently waiting on news about them as well. PLEASE Cordovan give us an update?

    In the meantime I have a Discount Riverfolk (Stoor) to hold me over until such a time as Hobbits can get a new class... becaucse they sorely need one.

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    Late to the party so yes, are they coming or not? And I wanted to add myself to the group who want Hobbit Lore-Masters and Champions and a general freeing up of class restrictions barring things such as Beornings where the lines between race and class are blurred. We should have Hobbit Lore-Masters and Hobbit Champions, Captains, Runekeepers etc. Why? Not going to argue with those who say most Hobbits aren't interested in those sorts of things. Mostly for the reason that "most Hobbits" keep themselves to their homes, to the Shire etc. and tend not to leave it. But there's a difference here and it's an important one. Those Hobbits are npcs.

    As player characters the Hobbits we play are automatically exceptions to this rule. These Hobbits DO have the curiosity, they DO have the wanderlust, and they DO have the opportunity -whether through the will for it or sheer misadventure to stumble into studying and practicing the various professions.

    This matters. If it didn't we wouldn't even have the red book. We wouldn't have the degree of animal husbandry or knowledge what more the alchemy needed for fireworks knowledge within the shire. I'm all for respecting lore to a point where it doesn't break fun, and for players who don't want to play such characters that's a choice you have, I don't see why others who would want to try an Hobbit LM or RK etc. should be barred from those options if they don't damaging anyone else's experience.

    This game is long in the tooth. It doesn't mean it couldn't stand to learn a few new tricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iozeph View Post
    Late to the party so yes, are they coming or not? And I wanted to add myself to the group who want Hobbit Lore-Masters and Champions and a general freeing up of class restrictions barring things such as Beornings where the lines between race and class are blurred. We should have Hobbit Lore-Masters and Hobbit Champions, Captains, Runekeepers etc. Why? Not going to argue with those who say most Hobbits aren't interested in those sorts of things. Mostly for the reason that "most Hobbits" keep themselves to their homes, to the Shire etc. and tend not to leave it. But there's a difference here and it's an important one. Those Hobbits are npcs.

    As player characters the Hobbits we play are automatically exceptions to this rule. These Hobbits DO have the curiosity, they DO have the wanderlust, and they DO have the opportunity -whether through the will for it or sheer misadventure to stumble into studying and practicing the various professions.

    This matters. If it didn't we wouldn't even have the red book. We wouldn't have the degree of animal husbandry or knowledge what more the alchemy needed for fireworks knowledge within the shire. I'm all for respecting lore to a point where it doesn't break fun, and for players who don't want to play such characters that's a choice you have, I don't see why others who would want to try an Hobbit LM or RK etc. should be barred from those options if they don't damaging anyone else's experience.

    This game is long in the tooth. It doesn't mean it couldn't stand to learn a few new tricks.
    Nah. Everyone being able to play anything makes boring rpg gameplay, and that incudes little people with eating disorders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iozeph View Post
    Late to the party so yes, are they coming or not? And I wanted to add myself to the group who want Hobbit Lore-Masters and Champions and a general freeing up of class restrictions barring things such as Beornings where the lines between race and class are blurred. We should have Hobbit Lore-Masters and Hobbit Champions, Captains, Runekeepers etc. Why? Not going to argue with those who say most Hobbits aren't interested in those sorts of things. Mostly for the reason that "most Hobbits" keep themselves to their homes, to the Shire etc. and tend not to leave it. But there's a difference here and it's an important one. Those Hobbits are npcs.

    As player characters the Hobbits we play are automatically exceptions to this rule. These Hobbits DO have the curiosity, they DO have the wanderlust, and they DO have the opportunity -whether through the will for it or sheer misadventure to stumble into studying and practicing the various professions.
    Hear! Hear!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidmeetHal View Post
    Nah. Everyone being able to play anything makes boring rpg gameplay, and that incudes little people with eating disorders.
    As I said earlier in the thread, magical hobbits make little to no sense to me from a LotR perspective, but, it wouldn't bother me if they appear in the game. I just don't think they will. That said, I get surprised with some of the decisions in the game, and how reasoning for them makes no sense. Example, no high Elf burglars because, their "Light" would make them so bright, it would affect their stealth, yet . . . every burg in the game on that very same update was running around loaded up with LoE.
    Sometimes, no matter how hard you look, there is no best light.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iozeph View Post
    Late to the party so yes, are they coming or not? And I wanted to add myself to the group who want Hobbit Lore-Masters and Champions and a general freeing up of class restrictions barring things such as Beornings where the lines between race and class are blurred. We should have Hobbit Lore-Masters and Hobbit Champions, Captains, Runekeepers etc. Why? Not going to argue with those who say most Hobbits aren't interested in those sorts of things. Mostly for the reason that "most Hobbits" keep themselves to their homes, to the Shire etc. and tend not to leave it. But there's a difference here and it's an important one. Those Hobbits are npcs.

    As player characters the Hobbits we play are automatically exceptions to this rule. These Hobbits DO have the curiosity, they DO have the wanderlust, and they DO have the opportunity -whether through the will for it or sheer misadventure to stumble into studying and practicing the various professions.
    It wasn't just 'most' hobbits who were neither fervently violent nor into magic, it's that no hobbit had ever been warlike or bloodthirsty nor had studied any form of magic. It wasn't in their nature, because Tolkien didn't imagine them that way and he worked that into the plot, too. You can't have player-character hobbits being entirely outside that without forgetting that they're meant to be hobbits and that it's meant to be Middle-earth. And that the game is strongly story-based.

    I'm all for respecting lore to a point where it doesn't break fun
    This game gives an awful lot of leeway to hobbit player-characters as a compromise between gameplay and the core idea that it's Middle-earth we're playing in, but it stops short of throwing out everything (where it'd cross hard lines that Tolkien drew, like hobbits not being into magic). If even that reasonable compromise isn't enough for you and you won't be happy until we've got hobbits blasting Orcs with lightning then that's your problem, not the game's.

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    I don't have a problem with mixing races and classes.

    However, what many people don't realize is that by doing so, SSG would have to make all new animations for the races. Like hobbits casting lightining and so forth. I'm sure it would be a lot of work.

    They should just treat river hobbits (if they ever do come), like they treated stout-axe dwarves. Just a different introduction, different racial traits, and so forth. But the same restrictions as regular dwarves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thalian39 View Post
    I don't have a problem with mixing races and classes.

    However, what many people don't realize is that by doing so, SSG would have to make all new animations for the races. Like hobbits casting lightining and so forth. I'm sure it would be a lot of work.

    They should just treat river hobbits (if they ever do come), like they treated stout-axe dwarves. Just a different introduction, different racial traits, and so forth. But the same restrictions as regular dwarves.

    Thalian from Gladden
    I'm sure that would be a lot of work also. High Elves, Stout Axes and in particular, brawlers all came with a set of new race animations which were part of their selling point. Though with HE and SA their skill animations remained the same as their Elf and Dwarf counterparts. Skill animations are class related and are already made. A dwarf rune keeper casts lightning the exact same way, animation-wise as an elf rune keeper or a high elf rune keeper. Should they decide that the game needs a Hobbit rune keeper, the skill animations are already made because they are class animations.

    IMO it would be a waste to make a new Hobbit race without it allowing a new class pick.
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    Okay so... putting aside the ridiculousness of hobbit lore-masters and rune-keepers, I can definitely 100% see them being either captains or champions. Perhaps much more so champions though it would be delightful to see the hobbit offshoots have their own hobbit companions as Captain. They simply have to be one or the other. It's a selling point. Captain for High Elf, Burglar for Stout-axe... champion OR captain for River Hobbit( Anduin Stoors?) I wish I knew which one they would have to prepare for my race change! I love my champion but want to play my captain more.
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