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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry View Post
    and to note this isn't first added Female dwarf options, years ago old community manager sapience, said during early beta there was female option but never made official to live, due to player feedback pointing out the lore. but 12-13 years later we getting them now officially.
    Did I miss an announcement that there would be female Stout-Axes? It seems reasonable, but I didn't see any official word.

    Edit: Whoops. Just found it. Awesome!
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry View Post
    and to note this isn't first added Female dwarf options, years ago old community manager sapience, said during early beta there was female option but never made official to live, due to player feedback pointing out the lore. but 12-13 years later we getting them now officially.
    I've been here since Alpha II and I don't remember ever seeing a female option but I'll take Sapience's word on it. I would think that if the option did exist at one point it would be brought up every time female dwarfs are discussed.
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  3. #103
    The best thing here is that no matter how hard people argue about lore, we are getting female dwarves and noone can change it!

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by auximenes View Post
    I've been here since Alpha II and I don't remember ever seeing a female option but I'll take Sapience's word on it. I would think that if the option did exist at one point it would be brought up every time female dwarfs are discussed.
    I asked the question many years ago why they didn't add female dwarves to the game, at the time didn't know much lore yet. Here's is his quote I had to dig for it and I'll post link as well as thread was locked. https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...female-dwarves

    Quote Originally Posted by Sapience
    Go to the character creation screen and take a look at something different about Dwarves. We didn't make "male" Dwarves either. It's the only race that doesn't give you a gender option.

    As mentioned above, according to the Professor you can't tell them apart. So your Dwarf is exactly what you think it is. Whether or not anyone can tell.

    Also, for the record, they were originally identified by gender in the original SOA beta. The player base pointed out the lore points on distinguishing the gender of Dwarves. We changed the character create options accordingly.
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    Oh please, intentional departures from LOTR are a thing, have been since day one and have grown more frequent as time's gone on. Female-looking Dwarves being playable would just be the latest, just as the way the game's version of Dis looks was one before that, and the notion of female Dwarves (authentically male-looking ones) being even theoretically playable was one from long before that.
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    This.

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  6. #106
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    Long thread, with many opinions.

    I like the idea of being able to change race.

    New race! Again? Not so excited about this. A new class however, would have been something to get worked up over.

    Female dwarves! Yeah, I'm fine with players choosing the "female" option on the creation screen, or parading their dwarf around Middle Earth in a dress, but that's as far as it goes in my book. They should not look feminine, they should have beards, and they should talk like all other dwarves. The second I see one in the world, and I can without any doubt, see it's female, is the second SSG break their connection with LotR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnenna View Post

    Female dwarves! Yeah, I'm fine with players choosing the "female" option on the creation screen, or parading their dwarf around Middle Earth in a dress, but that's as far as it goes in my book. They should not look feminine, they should have beards, and they should talk like all other dwarves. The second I see one in the world, and I can without any doubt, see it's female, is the second SSG break their connection with LotR.
    Agreed. If this goes through, it will be such a shame.

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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabani View Post
    The best thing here is that no matter how hard people argue about lore, we are getting female dwarves and noone can change it!
    Who is this Noone fellow, and can he really change it?
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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfhelm View Post
    Who is this Noone fellow, and can he really change it?

    lol Perfect.


    Hmmmmm...on second thought, if this "Noone" is so powerful....maybe we can get him to work on the LI grind?

  10. #110
    My bet would be a small group of a "few" stout-axe dwarves escaped the clutches of Sauron and escaped west. I would bet the pocket starter zone will follow that line with them ending up hiding out in TH, then going out to help free their brethren. Only way it'd make any sense.

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    As an avid LOTR fan and a fan of Dwarves... this news is VERY exciting. I understand it may cause controversy in regards to male female and whether it's "lore appropriate" but leave it to the players to RP lore appropriate. Dwarven Runekeepers that act like Palpatine and shook lightning from their fingertips isn't lore appropriate either- but those who keep the spirit of Middle Earth well in their hearts will do it justice.

    Personally, the main reason I am so excited is I hope the two things I love most might finally come together- I love Dwarves.... and I love Burglar playstyle. I REALLY hope this "breed" of Dwarf can marry these two together and I can FINALLY have a main character after all these years. If this happens, I would be the happiest person! LOTRO could finally be the #1 MMO I play.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Narthalion View Post
    Hmmmmm...on second thought, if this "Noone" is so powerful....maybe we can get him to work on the LI grind?
    No-one works on so many needful things in this game that sadly, he never gets round to finishing anything

  13. #113
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    Now what would be really kind of neat is if the female models were slightly different to set them apart, without making them look too feminine, however they were only visible by other people who were playing dwarves. For anybody playing any other race the model would only appear as the male version's equivalent customization settings. I don't think anything like that would ever happen, nor do I even know if it's possible for LOTRO, but it would be the coolest way to implement female dwarves if we have to have them distinctly separate. Or even if the models were the same, just something where only other dwarf players would be able to tell who was playing a male or female dwarf.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by highlandgirl View Post
    My bet would be a small group of a "few" stout-axe dwarves escaped the clutches of Sauron and escaped west. I would bet the pocket starter zone will follow that line with them ending up hiding out in TH, then going out to help free their brethren. Only way it'd make any sense.
    noooo!
    they have established a colony in minas morgul n they ll open the gates for us!
    really now? we r so happy with this already creating stories?
    devastated.........
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  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeneth View Post
    Now what would be really kind of neat is if the female models were slightly different to set them apart, without making them look too feminine, however they were only visible by other people who were playing dwarves. For anybody playing any other race the model would only appear as the male version's equivalent customization settings. I don't think anything like that would ever happen, nor do I even know if it's possible for LOTRO, but it would be the coolest way to implement female dwarves if we have to have them distinctly separate. Or even if the models were the same, just something where only other dwarf players would be able to tell who was playing a male or female dwarf.
    accepting thet they finally making this lore abomination,
    what i want to see is dialogs remaing the same and every NPC speak to those females as they were males!!!
    i would be so happy with this!
    i would be really really happy with one more thing i have in mind and it is coming with these females,
    not saying anything yet, waiting till beta!
    what is really weird is that no blue names have said a word after 5 pages of comments!
    now i understand why we didnt had a proper producer's letter about what is happening in next year!
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  16. #116
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    The intention for the Stout-Axe Dwarf is to offer a choice in gender, but have the two cosmetically look alike. This weekend's discussion has uncovered some gendered text in the regular Dwarf as well that we should probably take care of in the future. Thanks for the feedback!
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  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    The intention for the Stout-Axe Dwarf is to offer a choice in gender, but have the two cosmetically look alike. This weekend's discussion has uncovered some gendered text in the regular Dwarf as well that we should probably take care of in the future. Thanks for the feedback!
    It probably wouldn't be unusual for an outsider to make that kind of mistake. You might even leave some of those in for authenticity. (With limited time, you might prioritize reviewing interactions with other dwarf NPCs to ensure they get the player character's gender correct.)

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    The intention for the Stout-Axe Dwarf is to offer a choice in gender, but have the two cosmetically look alike. This weekend's discussion has uncovered some gendered text in the regular Dwarf as well that we should probably take care of in the future. Thanks for the feedback!
    ow n here is the the man of the day!
    i really really really tks for this answer in the forums!!!!
    i love it!!!!
    wait to see the feedbacks coming with this statement!!!!
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  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    The intention for the Stout-Axe Dwarf is to offer a choice in gender, but have the two cosmetically look alike. This weekend's discussion has uncovered some gendered text in the regular Dwarf as well that we should probably take care of in the future. Thanks for the feedback!
    good to hear - this satisfies my concerns, at least.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    The intention for the Stout-Axe Dwarf is to offer a choice in gender, but have the two cosmetically look alike. This weekend's discussion has uncovered some gendered text in the regular Dwarf as well that we should probably take care of in the future. Thanks for the feedback!
    Does this mean they'll look identical or just similar? If it's the former then that's pretty disappointing. I might've been in the "identical" crowd before Dís was introduced, but I honestly don't mind how she looks and it seems like an odd choice to introduce further inconsistencies by adding explicitly female dwarves without any option to have a body type similar to hers. Doing so would single out Dís an oddity and that doesn't seem right.
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    >The intention for the Stout-Axe Dwarf is to offer a choice in gender, but have the two cosmetically look alike.<

    Ridiculous!

    You might as well not specify gender at all if there is no different set of hair, beard or other appearances. I am not looking for a dwarf in a bikini with huge boobs sticking out but there is no point to giving a male/female choice if it is totally meaningless in all ways.

    To quote from Barry Goldwater's 1964 campaign. Give me a choice, not an echo.

    Of course that campaign was not exactly one of the more successful ones though his 5 states sure beat McGovern's one state a bit later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Lethargy View Post
    Does this mean they'll look identical or just similar? If it's the former then that's pretty disappointing. I might've been in the "identical" crowd before Dís was introduced, but I honestly don't mind how she looks and it seems like an odd choice to introduce further inconsistencies by adding explicitly female dwarves without any option to have a body type similar to hers. Doing so would single out Dís an oddity and that doesn't seem right.
    What part of HUMAN,ELVES AND HOBBITS CANT see a difference between a male dwarf and a female dwarf.. Why are you so obsessed about playing a bearded woman looking character? This is Lord of the rings, not World of warcraft.

  23. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by LotroVidz View Post
    What part of HUMAN,ELVES AND HOBBITS CANT see a difference between a male dwarf and a female dwarf.. Why are you so obsessed about playing a bearded woman looking character? This is Lord of the rings, not World of warcraft.
    I'd be nearly (but not quite) as happy if they just masculinized Dís a bit to match other dwarves. I just want internal consistency within the game, dude. Chill.
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  24. #124
    I am sure the dev team working on this will stay with lore, so don't worry about that. The real questions, will the Stout-Axe be Will Trait base, or will there be dwarven captains and lore masters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Lethargy View Post
    I'd be nearly (but not quite) as happy if they just masculinized Dís a bit to match other dwarves. I just want internal consistency within the game, dude. Chill.
    Just because we have 1 dwarf that looks more feminine, doesn't mean we should have hundreds of them.. it will look ridiculous

 

 
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