Loyalty vs Zeal?

[cobus469]

Title pretty much states it all... currently running with Empathy and Loyalty, No innocence or zeal - realized that was a big mistake and hence i'm now grinding innocence to replace emptahy - just wondering whether i should be replacing loyalty with zeal, or stick with loyalty - how does the -2.5MV of Zeal compare to the +30Vit & +150 armor of Loyalty - to be honest i can't care less about the power bonus from loyalty and the other ratings on zeal are making it look more and more attractive... The rest of my build is as follows: Valour, Justice, Discipline and ofc the Innocence i will be slotting to replace Empathy.

Thanks in advance, i did try browsing the forums a bit in regards to this but i never found a clear comparisson of Loyalty and Zeal. Always empathy or innocence vs zeal.

[DcDisturbed947]

Originally Posted by cobus469

Title pretty much states it all... currently running with Empathy and Loyalty, No innocence or zeal - realized that was a big mistake and hence i'm now grinding innocence to replace emptahy - just wondering whether i should be replacing loyalty with zeal, or stick with loyalty - how does the -2.5MV of Zeal compare to the +30Vit & +150 armor of Loyalty - to be honest i can't care less about the power bonus from loyalty and the other ratings on zeal are making it look more and more attractive... The rest of my build is as follows: Valour, Justice, Discipline and ofc the Innocence i will be slotting to replace Empathy.

Thanks in advance, i did try browsing the forums a bit in regards to this but i never found a clear comparisson of Loyalty and Zeal. Always empathy or innocence vs zeal.

There's no cookie cutter answer for this.

My suggestion would be to slot one, try it out for a day while killing a bunch of multiple mobs at a time, and then slot the other one and try the same thing.

+30 Vitality > Resistances FOR SURE. You'll just have to see for yourself if the -Melee damage is enough to replace the extra Vitality/90 morale.

Whichever one you chose, it won't be game braking, the differences will be minimal and hardly noticeable.

[Hakon_Stormbrow]

I never take off innocence... or valour (for now).

Fro the other slots I just keep rolling through Zeal, justice, discipline, loyalty, empathy, and determination. I also put on fidelity when going to DN to try and help survive the Blind ones AOE shadow.

I use Discipline, loyalty and determination when I want stats. (usually when not in a raid)

I use Zeal, discipline, and empathy when i want to be hardened.

I use Loyalty, Determination, Justice when i want Morale.

And sometimes i just mix it up a little. I often put on Determination when I want to have extra assurance clobbers wont miss (blind onE)

Zeal is a good deal at 2.5% melee vuln (i dont even do it for the resistences... resistances are too small to make any difference what good an extra 2% chance to resist that poison? the next ones gonna land anyway). If you slot the virtues and check out your common and shadow mits you will see that empathy is probably not even as good as zeal. I dont use empathy unless I already have zeal and am trying to turtle.

Discipline is nice cause it had the might and the melee vuln, but if your going to have a cap with the IDOME.. it might be overkill.

Same for loyalty... In a raid with Buffs from CAps and mins you are often lookig at 100 extra morale.. plus clickies that i have...so i dont use loyalty on raids.

All in all I wish we had one more slot... I think i could pick 6 and not juggle them all the time like i do now.

[cobus469]

Originally Posted by DcDisturbed947

Whichever one you chose, it won't be game braking, the differences will be minimal and hardly noticeable.

Well then i am really doubting il take the zeal option - my zeal is only rank 2 where as my loyalty is currently rank 8 and i just can't be bothered to go grind another virtue if what i have could possibly be better for my playing style.

Originally Posted by Hakon_Stormbrow

All in all I wish we had one more slot... I think i could pick 6 and not juggle them all the time like i do now.

Yes that would have been great. I would have slotted zeal in there and yes - i agree that empathy is probably not even as good as zeal, can't recall where but i read on the forums it's something like a +1% Common Mitgation bonus with empathy rank 10. Then you get Zeal which is +2.5% and its all types not just common, not to mention champs are a melee class so i don't really care about the decreas in ranged dmg.

[VmirTehPwn]

Originally Posted by cobus469

Well then i am really doubting il take the zeal option - my zeal is only rank 2 where as my loyalty is currently rank 8 and i just can't be bothered to go grind another virtue if what i have could possibly be better for my playing style.

Zeal at -2.5% will break even with loyalty after 3600 melee damage taken, and after that be better and better.

[cobus469]

Originally Posted by VmirTehPwn

Zeal at -2.5% will break even with loyalty after 3600 melee damage taken, and after that be better and better.

Hmmm... i might grind it then - it could be useful in incoming AoE damage situations... Especially in groups.

[Thurindras]

I slot Tolerance for DN (-5% Tactical Vulnerability). It really adds up to significantly less healing over time if everyone slots it.

[Hugoth]

This is what I am going with nowadays: Empathy, Zeal, Innocence, Loyalty, Discipline

Yup that's right folks, no Valour! Still at 5800 morale and I feel I get way more millage off of those 5 traits than switching anyone of them out for the morale boost of Valour

[zaskoda]

Doesn't the morale difference between valour and loyalty sort of invalidate the minimal armour bonus you get from loyalty?

[Hugoth]

Originally Posted by zaskoda

Doesn't the morale difference between valour and loyalty sort of invalidate the minimal armour bonus you get from loyalty?

Maybe, maybe not but I like seeing Might/Agi/Vit be above the 500 mark. Thinking though I might switch it out to see what I get and give up.

[Hakon_Stormbrow]

Originally Posted by Hugoth

This is what I am going with nowadays: Empathy, Zeal, Innocence, Loyalty, Discipline

Yup that's right folks, no Valour! Still at 5800 morale and I feel I get way more millage off of those 5 traits than switching anyone of them out for the morale boost of Valour

Ive toyed with dropping valor.. the numbers even say i should in certain situations... but i just cant bring myself to do it. Come the expansion.. or maybe the next one, i probably will remove it as 283 becomes a smaller and smaller % of my total morale. 2.5% melee vuln is always 2.5% melee vuln.

[buckeyes2009]

You can get might/vit/aglity all above 500 with valour slotted.

[Hugoth]

And I do, it's just... ah well forget it, read Haakon's post, 238 morale is nothing but fluff. And that fluff is getting weaker and weaker too. With that setup I have 568 might, 501 agi, 516 vit (wow mylotro is old stuff! don't look it up it's not what I used for the past 3 weeks or so) I also have as much armour value as one can get, and -19.5% to incoming melee damage. I guess I was bored of sitting at some 6300ish morale (Valour/Justice) and was looking for something else.