im considering a transfer with my rank 10 rk, and a friend of mine named Spwit is considering coming with me with his rank 14 hunter! how is the pvp on this server? is it as zergy as most servers lately? or is there still small group (4-6 people) action going on? hows the creep/freep ratio? im just trying to get a good idea before i make a defenite decision.
hmmm, I think all the servers are a little bit zergy atm as many freeps are PvEing causing a bad ratio in freep/creep and the creeps get bored and push a keep . Idk I would get bored and do it too probably lol. There are good fights and bad fights on this server just like every other server I imagine. I doubt it will be much different from your current server.
Try the server on a freaver, atm we do need more freeps as during the day it can be rather creep dominated as husty said cuz freeps arn't in want of the death at the moment, but u10 is on the way so, time will tell.
im considering a transfer with my rank 10 rk, and a friend of mine named Spwit is considering coming with me with his rank 14 hunter! how is the pvp on this server? is it as zergy as most servers lately? or is there still small group (4-6 people) action going on? hows the creep/freep ratio? im just trying to get a good idea before i make a defenite decision.
Try the server on a freaver, atm we do need more freeps as during the day it can be rather creep dominated as husty said cuz freeps arn't in want of the death at the moment, but u10 is on the way so, time will tell.
My other advice is;
Ask Soulthresher/Urukmamba/Stalkerr ....
Hope
Really ? ask Soulthresher? Ask him about Spwit and Rei. So many memories.....
I think vilya has more solo action than like your bigger servers. We have some pretty slow time but I guess most servers do. There are lots of great folks here, and it does seem like we need more freeps than anything.
If you decide to join us then we would love to have you!
Even if that's your belief but quality PVP is still your goal, you're more likely to be more satisfied elsewhere than you are here.
Feel free to correct me if you wish, but quality pvp can only happen if people want it bad enough to actually do something about it. Doesn't matter which side you play on, simply remembering that we are all out there for the same reason (I hope) will help. You can't have good pvp without both sides, Freeps remember that the creeps are not just there for your entertainment, there are real people behind those monsters, and creeps remember that the freeps don't have to come out at all, they have an entire world that you can't get to. Ultimately it needs to come down to respect for those who are willing to meet you in battle from both sides, if quality pvp is your goal.
Lag = skills roulette. You never know which one will go off.
Feel free to correct me if you wish, but quality pvp can only happen if people want it bad enough to actually do something about it. Doesn't matter which side you play on, simply remembering that we are all out there for the same reason (I hope) will help. You can't have good pvp without both sides, Freeps remember that the creeps are not just there for your entertainment, there are real people behind those monsters, and creeps remember that the freeps don't have to come out at all, they have an entire world that you can't get to. Ultimately it needs to come down to respect for those who are willing to meet you in battle from both sides, if quality pvp is your goal.
Even if that's your belief but quality PVP is still your goal, you're more likely to be more satisfied elsewhere than you are here.
Possibly.
I've only done PvP in passing on other servers but, reading the forums, quite a few of the others servers seem to have things a lot worse than Vilya does. At least if the situation is as bad as they say it is.
For example, we tend to share the OP's, 2 and 2, more than I hear about on other servers. Small group action still happens. While camps happen, they aren't the continuous 24/7 GV camp fest we hear about elsewhere. There is some ebb and flow to the combat.
I'd still say that someone primarily looking for a quality PvP experience may want to consider a different game entirely. If they want a good PvP experience in LoTRO, then I suppose it depends on what you consider quality. For me, it's more about spending time with my pack/tribe/kin mates than the actual PvP itself.
I also get a sense that Vilya would be at least an above-average server, compared to what I read on other server forums.
I've observed creepside discouraging taking ops when outnumbering freepside (even saying over OOC to let freeps keep 4 ops when creeps are dominating), as well as seeing freeps not interfering when a 1v1 during a freep-dominating session.
And confirm previous post that there is a lot of moving around of the fight, and both sides trying to minimize or avoid gv or rez camps. You'll also see on dashboards that while creeps>freeps in infamy/renown over most servers since last update, vilya freep/creep numbers close, with certain days freeps>creeps.
There are definitely experienced players on creepside that understand the importance of our mutual input into how fun the PVP experience is on the MOors (despite Turbine's failures), and I get a sense (as a creep-only player) that there are those on Vilya freepside who understand this as well.
The other point is there seems to be a recent influx of new players on both sides, so this also tends to lead to a dynamic and changing environment, on some level.
Feel free to correct me if you wish, but quality pvp can only happen if people want it bad enough to actually do something about it.
When did I say otherwise? :s
I agree with that statement and my point is that not enough people on our server care enough about quality PVP...
Originally Posted by l4j
I've only done PvP in passing on other servers but, reading the forums, quite a few of the others servers seem to have things a lot worse than Vilya does. At least if the situation is as bad as they say it is.
For example, we tend to share the OP's, 2 and 2, more than I hear about on other servers. Small group action still happens. While camps happen, they aren't the continuous 24/7 GV camp fest we hear about elsewhere. There is some ebb and flow to the combat.
Can you provide evidence of continuous GV camps on other servers in the year 2013? Most servers started off in Rohan like we did, with constant GV camps. A lot of them have since improved, as many people said they would. Even if some servers tend towards the GV camps during the off-hours, it's not really a discussion that's dominating the PVP forums anymore. Most avid PVPers now understand that the moors are relatively balanced and servers have taken appropriate action.
I'll concede that our server is "balanced" about its outposts, but I've played on a couple of other servers recently and when an outpost is taken that would unbalance the fight it is done so by a greenie crepe who would rather get four other greenies to take it because they think they absolutely need to finish the quest instead of just joining the group and PVPing. I doubt this is the case everywhere, but it has been my experience. Most knowledgeable raid leaders usually understand the outpost game now even on other servers and I don't really think it's that big of an issue anymore.
Originally Posted by Motarcanus
I've observed creepside discouraging taking ops when outnumbering freepside (even saying over OOC to let freeps keep 4 ops when creeps are dominating), as well as seeing freeps not interfering when a 1v1 during a freep-dominating session.
Yeah... screenshot or it didn't happen in my opinion. Crepes might be okay with not having MORE OPs when they outnumber freeps, but I have yet to see a prominent crepe leader concede 4 outposts to freeps. If the freeps are losing so badly that 4 outposts are the answer, the freeps are probably going to leave shortly anyway. Once crepes start conceding delving buffs and keeps on a regular basis so that the comms/hour is relatively balanced, then we can talk.
I will admit Vilya might be one of the better small servers, and yes small grouping is possible to a certain degree. It's still largely a zerg fest though and if that's what you're trying to leave behind I just don't think you will see a significant improvement here. When I go out there during off-peak hours it's usually dull and more often than not a rez camp and during primetime it's almost always crepe raid+ v. random conglomerate of freeps.
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Can you provide evidence of continuous GV camps on other servers in the year 2013? Most servers started off in Rohan like we did, with constant GV camps. A lot of them have since improved, as many people said they would. Even if some servers tend towards the GV camps during the off-hours, it's not really a discussion that's dominating the PVP forums anymore. Most avid PVPers now understand that the moors are relatively balanced and servers have taken appropriate action.
You will notice I was clear that it was what was being reported on the forums from other servers, rather than personal experience. I've seen fairly recent posts (yes, in 2013) making the complaint, so I would say that at least some people are still complaining about it. Dominating? No. But then I didn't say it was the dominant issue.
Originally Posted by Bombadil411
I'll concede that our server is "balanced" about its outposts, but I've played on a couple of other servers recently and when an outpost is taken that would unbalance the fight it is done so by a greenie crepe who would rather get four other greenies to take it because they think they absolutely need to finish the quest instead of just joining the group and PVPing. I doubt this is the case everywhere, but it has been my experience. Most knowledgeable raid leaders usually understand the outpost game now even on other servers and I don't really think it's that big of an issue anymore.
Indeed. I've seen very much the same here on Vilya: A small group, from one side or the other, will grab an OP for the points, then quickly evac. When it gets flipped back, it stays that way for a while.
Originally Posted by Bombadil411
Yeah... screenshot or it didn't happen in my opinion. Crepes might be okay with not having MORE OPs when they outnumber freeps, but I have yet to see a prominent crepe leader concede 4 outposts to freeps. If the freeps are losing so badly that 4 outposts are the answer, the freeps are probably going to leave shortly anyway. Once crepes start conceding delving buffs and keeps on a regular basis so that the comms/hour is relatively balanced, then we can talk.
I'll have to remember to screenshot it or log it the next time I see it come up. Because I have seen Creep Raid leaders say "Let 'em keep it." I've seen them concede Keeps and such as well, though I have also seen them take a Keep specifically to draw the other side out and get the fight away from GV.
Originally Posted by Bombadil411
I will admit Vilya might be one of the better small servers, and yes small grouping is possible to a certain degree. It's still largely a zerg fest though and if that's what you're trying to leave behind I just don't think you will see a significant improvement here. When I go out there during off-peak hours it's usually dull and more often than not a rez camp and during primetime it's almost always crepe raid+ v. random conglomerate of freeps.
It may not be any better than any of the other relatively low population servers. But they could still do a lot worse than Vilya.
Vilya is pretty dead during the day. When there is action it's pretty much pay2win. I definitely wouldn't wanna transfer to Vilya with a new update around the corner.
If I were you, I would definitely reconsider transferring to Vilya. I myself is considering transferring out of Vilya. Good luck with joining a group via OOC. There are a few of guys that will gladly have an open raid but majority of the time you will have to solo on your own. You have to either find a kin that does pvmp or be liked enough to have them accept you into their little clique. More time than not, the creeps outnumber the freeps on most nights. Yet, the freeps never want to have an open raid to at least counter the creeps. But when the freeps do have a raid, if it gets wiped a time or two, one person will leave then it become a domino effect then the group disbands.
Nothing won't change until freeps allow others to join their raids. The freeps can outnumber the creeps but if no one is grouped up, creeps will have an easy time killing. I've only been in 4-5 raids in a month. It seems people avoid grouping up like a plague. Every time I enter the moors, first thing I do is ask if there is any open raids; Not one time, I got an invite into a group. So if you can avoid this server for pvmp purposes, do so.
Nothing won't change until freeps allow others to join their raids. The freeps can outnumber the creeps but if no one is grouped up, creeps will have an easy time killing. I've only been in 4-5 raids in a month. It seems people avoid grouping up like a plague. Every time I enter the moors, first thing I do is ask if there is any open raids; Not one time, I got an invite into a group. So if you can avoid this server for pvmp purposes, do so.
I get where you're coming from here but you have to look at why. Most of the time when groups are needed, it's raid time for the big kins that do go out. I used to lead raids in the moors all the time but if you ever tried leading let alone leading freeps that don't or WON'T listen, it's frustrating and there is no point in grouping. I think it comes down to experience. Most of the freeps out now like someone said before whether the creeps see it or not are new. They may have audacity but they aren't experienced in the moors, don't know the mechanics of creeps and are very skiddish. I've talked to people trying to lead these freeps and they just get so tired of saying fight, and having people run like there Smegg under focus fire. You can't do anything productive in that situation. You also joined at a bad time in the moors. Not because creeps got a well deserved buff that really sets the balance much more even than in RoI but because the majority of freeps after the first couple months of RoR are raiding/farming dungeons constantly for this gear that seems to never drop.
My last point is that the creep raid leaders we've have since RoR came out have consisted of...Smegg. If you don't know yet, Smegg only wins with numbers. He has no skill as a defiler, little skill at leading and has seizures when targeted. He will and always will get more than you no matter the size of the fraid. If he can't we will log, which is where you heard the term "Red Rooster"
Finally, this is the moors, people are able to do whatever they want because it is open world and mainly because Turbine gives two donkeys less about what you do as long as you're paying that $$. People don't want to group or don't group because of lag. Leaders get sick of leading because people don't follow direction. Don't worry though freeps will be OP again in Update 10 whenever it comes out and we will roll Smegg even against stupid numbers :P.
I hope no one takes this personally or feels it's an attack on creeps, because I love playing creepside and I get annoyed at the same things you guys do. Just my perspective on things. <3
I get where you're coming from here but you have to look at why. Most of the time when groups are needed, it's raid time for the big kins that do go out. I used to lead raids in the moors all the time but if you ever tried leading let alone leading freeps that don't or WON'T listen, it's frustrating and there is no point in grouping. I think it comes down to experience. Most of the freeps out now like someone said before whether the creeps see it or not are new. They may have audacity but they aren't experienced in the moors, don't know the mechanics of creeps and are very skiddish. I've talked to people trying to lead these freeps and they just get so tired of saying fight, and having people run like there Smegg under focus fire. You can't do anything productive in that situation. You also joined at a bad time in the moors. Not because creeps got a well deserved buff that really sets the balance much more even than in RoI but because the majority of freeps after the first couple months of RoR are raiding/farming dungeons constantly for this gear that seems to never drop.
My last point is that the creep raid leaders we've have since RoR came out have consisted of...Smegg. If you don't know yet, Smegg only wins with numbers. He has no skill as a defiler, little skill at leading and has seizures when targeted. He will and always will get more than you no matter the size of the fraid. If he can't we will log, which is where you heard the term "Red Rooster"
Finally, this is the moors, people are able to do whatever they want because it is open world and mainly because Turbine gives two donkeys less about what you do as long as you're paying that $$. People don't want to group or don't group because of lag. Leaders get sick of leading because people don't follow direction. Don't worry though freeps will be OP again in Update 10 whenever it comes out and we will roll Smegg even against stupid numbers :P.
I hope no one takes this personally or feels it's an attack on creeps, because I love playing creepside and I get annoyed at the same things you guys do. Just my perspective on things. <3
Totally understandable. All I do is heal which most time I feel like I'm doing a bad job but I do my best. I do get what you're saying about people not following directions. It does it tiresome but you can't give up on trying to help the new freeps out. They have to start somewhere. When I first started doing pvmp, I felt like a lost duck but learned little by little by grouping up. If there is no group for the new freeps, they will not learn how to play.
Healing on a rk phalus is some of the most fun ive had in the moors however without support being locked down through disarms/silences/fears/stuns can easily kill a rk. If you are truly looking for advice on how to heal on a rk i would talk to hustin as he is a predominately healing rk and is darn good at it. If you want tips on how to fail at dpsing and die alot come to me ..
Yes, I really do enjoy healing on the rk. If somehow we got a medium heal skill that can be cast on the run and a bigger armour of X bubble then the healing rk would be perfect. Funny how it takes a little creep mob to take me down now that I upgrade my relics and gotten some better jewels. Used to think the rk was the squishiest of all but its getting better. Have a lot more to learn about the rk, far from being good enough.
Yes, I really do enjoy healing on the rk. If somehow we got a medium heal skill that can be cast on the run and a bigger armour of X bubble then the healing rk would be perfect. Funny how it takes a little creep mob to take me down now that I upgrade my relics and gotten some better jewels. Used to think the rk was the squishiest of all but its getting better. Have a lot more to learn about the rk, far from being good enough.
4 blue traits + calming verse = mending verse Indra cast on the run and that's definitely a medium heal. Rk's healers IMO are the hardest healer to take down due to the sheer number of survival skills 4 bubbles + insta mending verse = awesome. I personally have kited a full craid while branded from ly to gv with all my CDs including dwarf endurance of stone. Just gotta understand how to survive on a healing rk. The best way to survive while dpsing tho is to have 5 pocket healers
<snip> I personally have kited a full craid while branded from ly to gv with all my CDs including dwarf endurance of stone. <snip>
And this is why whenever a Freepside player complains about how horribly overpowered Creeps are on the forums, most Creepside players go into apoplectic fits and have a desire to reach through the screen and Gibbs-Smack said QQing Freep player.
You're not QQing here, I know. But seriously. If you can survive from LY to GV against an entire Raid? Something is more than a little out of balance.
And this is why whenever a Freepside player complains about how horribly overpowered Creeps are on the forums, most Creepside players go into apoplectic fits and have a desire to reach through the screen and Gibbs-Smack said QQing Freep player.
You're not QQing here, I know. But seriously. If you can survive from LY to GV against an entire Raid? Something is more than a little out of balance.
If Bothvi, wasn't branded, that's just a lack of creep knowledge of how to lock down an RK. Stun, Silence, Disarm, not too hard especially when you have a creep raid on him.
And this is why whenever a Freepside player complains about how horribly overpowered Creeps are on the forums, most Creepside players go into apoplectic fits and have a desire to reach through the screen and Gibbs-Smack said QQing Freep player.
You're not QQing here, I know. But seriously. If you can survive from LY to GV against an entire Raid? Something is more than a little out of balance.
The key is the brand, I've been in raids that have tried to take down a branded WL or defiler and with 12-20 people on him he goes a stupid long time before either hitting a safe haven or is taken down.
If Bothvi, wasn't branded, that's just a lack of creep knowledge of how to lock down an RK. Stun, Silence, Disarm, not too hard especially when you have a creep raid on him.
Possible. I wasn't one of the people trying to take him down. Though we're kind of drifting from the original topic here. This just kind of got me after seeing other people (NOT AJ here) QQing about OP Creeps, and here having one of Vilya's own managing to survive against a whole raid.
The key is the brand, I've been in raids that have tried to take down a branded WL or defiler and with 12-20 people on him he goes a stupid long time before either hitting a safe haven or is taken down.
Brand just counters the CC, though. It doesn't make up for the DPS. But yeah, I've seen a Defiler stand against two Rangers and really only start to show any hurt when a Burg joined the fight. But that was a mighty fine Defiler there.
I remember when I first started going out to the moors. I had never PvP'd before, ever. I learned quickly that because it is an open environment that it doesn't matter how cruddy something is that another player might do, it's just the way it is. So endless arguing over some of what goes on there is pointless. There are 2 main things that contribute to your experience when you get out in the moors and come across an opponent; 1. You 2. Them. You may be ready to fight to the bitter death. They may only be interested in engaging if they KNOW that they have the upper hand or if they have a stealth warg pack less than 50 meters away ready to jump in if the fight turns south. There are some really good players here who know their class and put up a good fight, to the death. Then there are others that are ONLY concerned about their symbol (chieftan, etc.) and renown but don't have the skill to match what they tote around out there. The latter are the ones who embody the notion that rank means nothing. I've fought some r5 wargs (on my mini) that put up a better fight than some r12+ wargs. Funny, the r5 had enough mettle to fight to the end and the r12+ had people on the way and then CJ'd me when his buddies came and saved his tail. But you're going to get that anywhere. Some people make it fun and a challenge, some people don't and aren't worth the pixels their toon takes up on the screen.
I know this is a long-winded answer to your question but I say "come join the family". Whether creep or freep, you seem positive and looking for some good PvP. Either side can benefit from that type of person and the more we have like that, the better the moors will be.
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. Idk I would get bored and do it too probably lol. There are good fights and bad fights on this server just like every other server I imagine. I doubt it will be much different from your current server.
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