Just tried running this earlier today and like what they have done with this.
The T1 mode consists of a 3 stage fight where you just fight the bosses within the instance 1 after the other with no trash
T2 plays pretty much the same as the original lvl 65 version just with less time to recover between fights.
Which leads me to the t2 challenge otherwise known as the "battle royale" mode.
I've only had a couple of goes at this and not with a perticular good group build burg/rk/warden for what was to come.
In a nutshell from the off they instance chucks pretty much everything the instance has to offer at you as the same time, wave 1 consists of 3x of each of the trash mobs + summond bats roughly 60 seconds later another 3x of each mobs and yes you guessed it more bats if your not dead at the point you reach 2 mins you will be happy to see all 3 of the bosses enter the arena at the same time. This will be the cue for most burglars to pop hips, hunters to desperate flight and most champions bend over and kiss themselves good bye.
Unless of course you have burned the trash down fast enough at which point good luck
All in all I had alot of fun with the new build of the instance and will enjoy trying to beat the challenge and I'd like to hear from people who did beat to see what they did or what fellowships builds they used. Personally 2x champ and mins/rk would work nice.
The things to note are:-
1, Bats, these spawn like crazy and caused a really hassle for tanks to grab aggro of the bigger mobs.
2, Stuns you will get stunned alot.
3, Bats
4, mulitple fear/wounds
5, did i mention the bats.
I'll probobly spend some more time in there tomorrow and let me know what you think.
Which leads me to the t2 challenge otherwise known as the "battle royale" mode.
I've only had a couple of goes at this and not with a perticular good group build burg/rk/warden for what was to come.
In a nutshell from the off they instance chucks pretty much everything the instance has to offer at you as the same time, wave 1 consists of 3x of each of the trash mobs + summond bats roughly 60 seconds later another 3x of each mobs and yes you guessed it more bats if your not dead at the point you reach 2 mins you will be happy to see all 3 of the bosses enter the arena at the same time. This will be the cue for most burglars to pop hips, hunters to desperate flight and most champions bend over and kiss themselves good bye.
Unless of course you have burned the trash down fast enough at which point good luck
LOL! ty for that colorful description, hehe - very funny
Running Sword Halls on lvl when I was 65 was one of my favorites instances. I used to duo this on my LM with a hunter in my kin and it was great fun, especially for my bear, hehe
I am happy to hear challenge mode is so crazy - something to look forward to
I completed challenge today with a couple friends. We had two champs, one of which was full Ardour, the other full Glory. Our third was a cappy.
We did manage to kill the first wave before the second once, but mostly we just kept AoEing the whole time. To keep getting defeat responses for heals we killed fire first, then worked on troll. At some point the morroval died while we were on troll but it wasn't a big deal.
Over all, I'd give the new version a 8/10, with the original being a 3/10. It is very challenging with auto-leveled toons, though with some skirm gear and better stat in general on live likely not so much.
My only complaint is the sheer amount of AoE, while the morroval are summoning the bats interrupts have no effect unlike in the original version. I had tons of fun on champ, but I don't think my LM could withstand the aggro fro massive AoE, and my hunter certainly can't do sufficient AoE. With 25+ targets at times not tank can be expected to hold aggro so a cappy healer is a huge advantage for both heavy armor and no inductions. If anything make the bats channel skill interruptible and I'd increase my rating to a 9.5 or so.
Hunter are AOE Kings, just trait the two traits and get a weapon with +aoe targets.
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So, what role will the LMs (with light armor and inductions) and burgs (with no AOE) fill in this instance? I mean for the challenge mode ofc.
Not sure if challenge mode is gonna be played at all if t1 and t2 remain that easy or even easier than ever (T1). Unless there's some superduper op-reward to gain. SH has always been the easiest bloody 3man ever. And now I see it getting even worse. Challenge mode has hardly ever been played before. I wouldn't see any reason, why this should change now. And it's gonna be the same old phenomenon: SH will be farmed to death while no other 3man is gonna be played at all. Stupid balancing.
As for LMs: Go there in red with tank and minstrel. It's gonna be fine, I'm pretty sure.
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A challenge mode wich can only be made with a lot of AOE dps is not a good idea for a 3-men instance. Because some classes will never be considered for a group invite. I guess my warden has a lot to do there and my burglar almost nothing (happy i don't have a loremaster too)
Perfect setup seems to be Warden/Captain/Weaponmaster or Hunter.
Well, to be fair, my longest crit chain ever on hunter was thirteen rain of arrows, so yes, the traits are worth it, and yes hunters DO Aoe
Never said they don't do AoE, they actually do excellent AoE and right up there with Champs - I know that. They just don't outdps Champs in terms of AoE DPS to take the crown.
as the aforementioned glory champ in the group of smugo's, i can say the key of successfully beating this is the bats and aggro control. From experience the bats spawn every approximately 30-45 seconds, so for champs it's as easy as casting horn of champions on one of them every time they spawn, as well as constantly rising on the dps class in the group while throwing out raging blades and bladewall.
I actually enjoyed this fight very much, as aoe and single target damage are both important. However, that means that cc classes are somewhat useless in here unless they allow the bosses to be cc'd.
Edit: i'm also wondering if, somewhere in the deepest chambers of turbine, a developer has been maniacally working on giving ardour champs this instance to shine! If so, thanks! I can't wait to do this in ardour with someone else tanking it!
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The dwarf woman you called ugly? She spends hours braiding her beard so you can differentiate her from a dwarf man.
The Uruk-Hai you just killed? he's been abused by Saruman.
See that Gollum creature with the gangly limb and large eyes? For 500 years the ring poisoned his mind.
That elf you just made fun of for crying? She just lost her wizard friend to a Balrog.
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As for LMs: Go there in red with tank and minstrel. It's gonna be fine, I'm pretty sure.
Let me know when you find a guard or warden that can hold reliable aggro on 25+ targets :P
Of course this is all fairly hypothetical, I did attempt to run it on my hunter at one point, and while we were unsucessful, I can imagine that if I was geared as well as I am on live I *might* be able to do enough single target to burn down the morroval before the bats come.
Let me know when you find a guard or warden that can hold reliable aggro on 25+ targets :P
Of course this is all fairly hypothetical, I did attempt to run it on my hunter at one point, and while we were unsucessful, I can imagine that if I was geared as well as I am on live I *might* be able to do enough single target to burn down the morroval before the bats come.
Yeah well.. I suppose as LM you should be able to kill some trash with your burst-dmg in no time. If you walk along with 3 waterlore-hots anyway... It might be a question of aggro-control however, maybe some kiting would do some good. However I think at least LMs should find their place in such a group with their pretty AoE. Of course it's gonna take a lot less time with hunters and champs.
How the hell are you shooting 13 rains in a row...
There's a trait which resets the CD on RoA on crit, with cappy buff and 7 viable targets, I was pretty much guaranteed a crit on at least one target every time, crit/reset repeat. After the 8th I was shouting down our mumble channel, NINE!, TEN!, lol, ELEVEN, etc etc. aahhh happy days
Not sure if challenge mode is gonna be played at all if t1 and t2 remain that easy or even easier than ever (T1). Unless there's some superduper op-reward to gain. SH has always been the easiest bloody 3man ever. And now I see it getting even worse. Challenge mode has hardly ever been played before. I wouldn't see any reason, why this should change now. And it's gonna be the same old phenomenon: SH will be farmed to death while no other 3man is gonna be played at all. Stupid balancing.
As for LMs: Go there in red with tank and minstrel. It's gonna be fine, I'm pretty sure.
You're not gonna get the super-good drop (the gold armour piece) without running T2C. So far as I can tell it can drop from any DG instance so if you're trying to get it, you're gonna run T2C. Some of the other teals look really nice as well (which of course, some will also only drop on T2C), and I'm assuming that Bracelet of the Horse-Lords recipe is only gonna be available via challenge as well, if it's available from the DG cluster at all.
You're not gonna get the super-good drop (the gold armour piece) without running T2C. So far as I can tell it can drop from any DG instance so if you're trying to get it, you're gonna run T2C. Some of the other teals look really nice as well (which of course, some will also only drop on T2C), and I'm assuming that Bracelet of the Horse-Lords recipe is only gonna be available via challenge as well, if it's available from the DG cluster at all.
Also, when I ran it, the T1 and T2 rewards were garbage. Absolutely no gear, little better than a skirm LT.
Also, when I ran it, the T1 and T2 rewards were garbage. Absolutely no gear, little better than a skirm LT.
Exactly the way SH should have been.
Sword halls will have farming value as it did at 65.
Medallions and marks for very little time input (5-10 min).
That hobbit you just called fat? He's skipping 2nd breakfast.
The dwarf woman you called ugly? She spends hours braiding her beard so you can differentiate her from a dwarf man.
The Uruk-Hai you just killed? he's been abused by Saruman.
See that Gollum creature with the gangly limb and large eyes? For 500 years the ring poisoned his mind.
That elf you just made fun of for crying? She just lost her wizard friend to a Balrog.
Put this as your signature if you're against bullying in Middle-earth!
Sword halls will have farming value as it did at 65.
Medallions and marks for very little time input (5-10 min).
If he's saying that they drop as much as a skirm lt, that's like 15 marks and a couple medallions. Assuming it's "better" that's still likely not more than 45 marks and 15 medallions.
I'd much rather spend my time running through something else for 20 minutes that'll give much more than twice the reward. Look at how much Foundry gave for 20 minutes of effort, or even the Orthanc 3-mans. I'd much rather farm the new 3-mans over Sword Halls if their rewards are gonna be similar.
If he's saying that they drop as much as a skirm lt, that's like 15 marks and a couple medallions. Assuming it's "better" that's still likely not more than 45 marks and 15 medallions.
I don't remember off the top of my head how much it was, but the drop rate was way higher than 45 marks and 15 medallions. BR drops are inflated though, so idk.
That hobbit you just called fat? He's skipping 2nd breakfast.
The dwarf woman you called ugly? She spends hours braiding her beard so you can differentiate her from a dwarf man.
The Uruk-Hai you just killed? he's been abused by Saruman.
See that Gollum creature with the gangly limb and large eyes? For 500 years the ring poisoned his mind.
That elf you just made fun of for crying? She just lost her wizard friend to a Balrog.
Put this as your signature if you're against bullying in Middle-earth!
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