Thread: Minimum Level Requirements to Enter

Hey folks!

Just wanted to let everyone know that we're raising the minimum level required to enter the Ettenmoors to 80. It's been 40 for... probably way too long, and given that mobs hover around 85 and Creeps are 85 too, there's not a whole lot for lower level characters to do except for... die.

So yeah we're bumping things up!

With this change, we're also going to be removing lower level gear from the class vendors in Glan Vraig. Note that if you already have one of these items, we're not taking them away, just making it so you can't get them anymore. The items are only creating clutter in a very crowded list of barter profiles.

Oh, we are also keeping the 75 set of Audacity gear for RoR.

That is all.

Thanks!

Any chance of adding Freep-side Moors for purchase through the Lotro Store?

Please don't remove these older items from the game entirely and add some option to earn or purchase these cosmetically!

Super Kudos for this type of communication. I also think it belongs as a log in banner to the game as changes are often frustrating when people don't see them coming.

I am curious as to why the level wasn't made to 75. Sounds like the Moors will be quiet and full of lots of moping/hungry wargs for a day or two

Love the change! Spies will have to work a little harder now

At level 50 I went to Isendeep a couple times to mine ore. Only became a warg snack once.... But I suppose that a crafter with a death wish is not sufficient reason to keep the Moors open to low levels.

Thank you for updating that Though it's a shame those armor sets are going to be gone permanently, wish there was a new way to allow us to earn them in an existing faction/raid/etc. They were really nice.

I am against this change. I went in to the moors at L40 (the cap was 65 at the time, but I died to anything in 2 hits anyway) and happily completed my rez deed. I died a lot to be sure, but did not mind at all. (I still die a lot, and still don't mind) Perhaps some sort of comprimise? A method to get in at L40, but not a stable, a less accessable one. I would head in at a lower level if I could, no matter the level cap.

Good change. Really no reason for low level people to go in there, and people just tended to get mad if Creeps singled out a low level Freep to kill.


Still the whole issue about only VIP being allowed into the Freep side is still annoying. I'd love the ability to purchase some way to join in as a Freep and Premium player.

Will you still be able to purchase your way in with the Free Swift Travel Turbine Store item? (Yes I know you need to be VIP also)

Originally Posted by DEViled_Egg

Hey folks!

there's not a whole lot for lower level characters to do except for... die.

When I was leveling my freep, I went out at level 40. The rank 1 and 2 cloaks only required a few trips to cleanse the Hordale or be bait in a fraid. Those lvl 40 cloaks are better than most cloaks until lvl 75.

Too bad, have to get my lowbies their gear before the update.

Great change making the moors definitively an endgame/level-cap region. Hopefully this makes room for additional quality rewards.

Not gonna hijack the thread... But nooo! Dont take away the old set, it looks awesome and ive been working to get the whole as cosmetic (Enforcer set that is. Just look at the name, it deserves to stay!)

Noes! At least keep the minimum level to 75 rather than 80! I don't know about anyone else, but the ability to take a break from the PvE while leveling to go have fun in the moors is something I really, REALLY enjoy. Sure, I may be 10 levels too low, but I still want to try my hand at PvMP!

Sad now.

Originally Posted by Lyzau

Please don't remove these older items from the game entirely and add some option to earn or purchase these cosmetically!

This! Very muchly this.

If you're going to remove the statted gear, PLEASE add a cosmetic version somewhere. Ceremonial sets in the Skirmish vendors would be the go-to method, as we currently have every batch of fellowship and raid armor sets up to the lower tier of Moria.

In fact, given as the older Moors sets are basically pallette-swaps of raid gear (the original Moors set is a black/purple re-palette of Helegrod armor, and the Moria moors sets are re-palettes of Vile Maw gear), they could be added as, like... "Ceremonial Helegrod Armor (Alternate)".

The Mirkwood moors sets aren't so big an issue, given as those appearances were used for quest rewards in Great River, but it'd still be great to include a cosmetic version of those! At the very least, put them in the store?

Originally Posted by Norwrei

... Personally I think creeps should be rezzed at level 40 and work their way up to cap level like freeps. Actually at level 40 they already have an advantage that freeps do not have. Freeps start at level 0. It's so unbalanced. ...

Levels are not an achievement in themselves, they are a mechanic to gate content and progression. In other words, you dont level to have a higher level, you level because you need to do it to advance to further content/gear/character development. (There are of course people that primarily enjoy the levelling itself, but this is not the main goal of the level system).

In PvP, there is only one form of content (the Ettenmoors and its activities); and progression is governed through rank and commendation. The only ways to clear your perceived "imbalance" would be to make more content available to monster players, or to offer insta-levelling for freeps.

I'm not a pvmp'er but these are my opinions.

I'm against this change for lots of reasons. It's a fun dangerous adventure for many to go to the Moors at lower levels. It is also nice for people to have an alternative way to get armor for their alts. It makes no real sense to do this in my opinion.

Personally I think creeps should be rezzed at level 40 and work their way up to cap level like freeps. Actually at level 40 they already have an advantage that freeps do not have. Freeps start at level 0. It's so unbalanced.

At least it will be a bit more interesting to have lower level creeps with lower level freeps and basically having a mix of these levels.

It also makes no sense to do this when you can make a monster char once level 10 has been reached on the free character. Bring back the min level 40 freep in order to make a creep. Infact if the min level for the Moors will be 80, this should also apply to creep side. No one should be able to make a creep unless they have a level 80 freep char.

There should also be a limit to how many creeps one can delete and create per week, etc. They need to spend TP's to surpass this limit. It will help to prevent the abuse of farming commendations by making and deleting multiple creeps.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Norwrei

Personally I think creeps should be rezzed at level 40 and work their way up to cap level like freeps. Actually at level 40 they already have an advantage that freeps do not have. Freeps start at level 0. It's so unbalanced.

But freeps can level in a world with no human players out to get them. Leveling a creep in the moors at level 40 would be a tremendous struggle, not comparable to the occasional mad excursion of a level 40 freep who visits the moors for a day. The situations aren't really parallel since there aren't (and arguably shouldn't be) any exclusively MPvE zones.

Thanks. This is a long overdue change.

As I said if the min level for freeps is going to be 80, then the min level to make a creep should also be that the player has a level 80 main character. There needs to be cool downs on creating creeps to help prevent the current abuse of farming for commendations.

I think the point was that level 40 freeps in the moors are not and will never be competitive. It doesn't matter if you can make a creep at level 10, it will still be a level 85.

Honestly it's not that big of change, the only difference is level 40s cannot go and get themselves farmed. I'd say 95% percent of active moors players are level cap anyway.

Please Ms Dev, ma'am! Please add cosmetic versions of all the old Moors gear that you're getting rid of. I don't care if it's through the store, or through skirm camps, or through quest rewards... but please give us a way to get these items cosmetically!

The level 50 minstrel shoulders I know are especially popular. And I would kill for some of the current 75 cosmetics.

Thank you, the cosmetic community would greatly appreciate it!

Level 40 freeps who are oh so lovely for creeps, you shall be missed. I was looking forward to beating a level 40 minstrel to death with my shield, but alas... this change needed to be made.

Also, I support the call for the armour sets to be made cosmetic. Some of them are pretty unique looking and should be available as cosmetics.

Please, please, please keep the old sets around cosmetically. Many have been on my to-do list to acquire and the idea that I soon won't be able to.. well, that's a sad idea.

Please don't remove the old sets. Alternatively, if you do...please offer them cosmetically from the skirmish trader.

Instead of all the cosmetic fluff and other complaining I have a whole nother idea -

how about you make lvl 85 versions of the class items, too (rank 8 stuff I think) - the cappie banner, the champ axe (only, make a sword, we're not all dwarves -_-), the works.

I'll echo what many others are saying:

Good on the level limit for the moors! Long overdue. Underleveled characters have no business being out there- and especially not for what is essentially OP gear for the level. And as much as my warg likes to chomp them, they really aren't appropriate as bait either. Level 80- with them still being 5 levels under cap, seems like a good number to me.

And having the moors gear available as cosmetics would be very nice. I certainly understand their removal from the barter tables as they would be quite useless, but many of us do love those appearances.

Aww, that's kind of lame.

We'll have to set up a lvl 50 and below raid night before the expansion comes out to say goodbye to the one-shottables.

This bums me out. I have a ton of fun playing my lowbies in the Moors. I say if you're gonna raise it, raise it no higher than 60.

Hmm... I haven't paid any attention to the changes in the Moors for RoR -- but this announcement makes one wonder if:

• the recruiters will now be looking for these higher level folks or will they still "sucker" level 40s
• the recruiters will be moved from their present "level ridiculous" locations to more appropriate ones?
• additional recruiters will be added in say, Stangard? Harwick? both of which are still outside the Lvl 80 area -- or Cliving and Snowcrofts?
• I can see the original Stable-masters maintaing their routes to the moors, however, how about adding stable routes to the Moors from Harwick, Cliving, Snowcrofts?

I have my good map to the moors (30m cd) on a lvl 50 burg (rank 4). Will I still be able to go in?