ok lets debate some topics ill start.
Nuetral/Evil inclind Kins/players.(I:E Bandit groups, Private interest groups, Bands of Evil Soldiers, ect.)
long as it does not break lore or interfir with the main story i aprove, as they can make interesting RP.
Female Dwarves.
Would be quite strange to RP with. i can't play a convincing Female of any race so........ but they can fit into the lore so they are ok as far as im concerned.
what do you all think?
Not much of a debate on my part, because in each example you touched on one very important detail: essentially, "if they're played right."
Evil and brigand kinships? On Landroval, the existence of these groups and players is a happy fact of life. I believe that they certainly spice up the entertainment value for all the law-abiding folk, and vice versa. However, they have to be played correctly, and in accordance to the lore, and this is where sometimes people falter. You can't burn down Bree every weekend, or raise an army and take over Rivendell. Those sort of things just won't work, but fortunately Landroval has a good handful of veteran RPers that can show others the ropes.
Female Dwarves? I don't see why not. Tolkien argued that they were rare, and are on a steady decline by the end of the Third Age. He said the same thing about Dragons and Balrogs, yet we've encountered several of each so far. I know a few folk that already play female Dwarves. If someone else wants to try, I say go for it. Remember, ambiguity can be a good thing in RP. I believe it's Gimli who makes a quote about few people seeing the difference between male and female Dwarves. Therefore, if you're not running around advertising your gender to every stranger on the street, then most will remain none-the-wiser and there shouldn't be a problem.
TL;DR As long as you make an attempt to adhere to lore, and can prove that the player behind the characters is a mature and respectable person, I am happy to Roleplay with you. I figure that Middle-Earth was full of magic and secrets, and not every one did the Fellowship experience firsthand.
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ok lets debate some topics ill start.
Nuetral/Evil inclind Kins/players.(I:E Bandit groups, Private interest groups, Bands of Evil Soldiers, ect.)
long as it does not break lore or interfir with the main story i aprove, as they can make interesting RP.
Female Dwarves.
Would be quite strange to RP with. i can't play a convincing Female of any race so........ but they can fit into the lore so they are ok as far as im concerned.
what do you all think?
Neutral/evil kins and players spice up the RP. As you said, as long as they operate within the lore I don't see a probem. I'm sure Bree has its share of profiteers and shady people trying to take advantage of the current chaos in the world to make a name for themselves. Brigands bothering people out of town, or in alleyways, or pickpockets, militias, etc are fine as long as their in-character actions don't contradict the lore. As another said, no burning down Bree every weekend and I'm cool with it.
Female dwarves are something that intrigue me. I thought about RPing my dwarf as female, but the best part about dwarves is they are so similar to males that non-dwarves usually can't distinguish between the two. They also apparently don't travel much, and only when they need to, such as evacuating and fleeing danger. So by only alluding to your dwarf's actual gender through very subtle hints you can bring about some interesting RP. I'm sure you can even think of a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why she's out adventuring or whatever it is she's doing that involves the warm sun on her pasty, overprotected skin.
ok lets try something more....delacite.
Lore-Breakers.
You know those people who claim to be on a first name bais with Gandalf, or that one girl who says she is Aragorns daughter(someone said they died a little reading that.), or those who claim to be heirs to the throne of this or that kingdom, ect. how do you deal with them and how do they make you feel?
Me? i ignore them and refuse to see them as being in the world. because it is A dumb, and B no fun for anyone else.
Trolls.
Those guys who interfere with RPing(the forced emotes are the worst), start up pointless debates and such just to Tick people off. How do you react and why?
Me again i ignore them and keep going.
ok lets try something more....delacite.
Lore-Breakers.
You know those people who claim to be on a first name bais with Gandalf, or that one girl who says she is Aragorns daughter(someone said they died a little reading that.), or those who claim to be heirs to the throne of this or that kingdom, ect. how do you deal with them and how do they make you feel?
Me? i ignore them and refuse to see them as being in the world. because it is A dumb, and B no fun for anyone else.
These are the worst, IMO, worse the RP-interrupting griefers. At least griefers (most of the time) get tired and eventually give up. These folks are constantly "in the way" with their ridiculous back-stories. Plus, unlike griefers, there's no justification for reporting them. It's god-mod(d?)ing at its worst. Only thing to do is to ignore them and not take part in their virtual delusions.
I ran into this the other day, when a fellow claimed to work for the leader of the Bree town watch. And he did not mean Grimbriar. And of course there is the character who claims to actually be the leader of the Bree town watch. And even worse, a large segment of the Pony RP crowd on the server go along with it, making it a challenge to RP your way around it. I also had someone make fun of my character (allegedly IC fun) because my character, from Gondor, did not recognize her character was from Gondor. I had turned on "of Gondor" as my title, she had not. She apparently expected I would glean her character's place of origin from the ether.
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These are the worst, IMO, worse the RP-interrupting griefers. At least griefers (most of the time) get tired and eventually give up. These folks are constantly "in the way" with their ridiculous back-stories. Plus, unlike griefers, there's no justification for reporting them. It's god-mod(d?)ing at its worst. Only thing to do is to ignore them and not take part in their virtual delusions.
I ran into this the other day, when a fellow claimed to work for the leader of the Bree town watch. And he did not mean Grimbriar. And of course there is the character who claims to actually be the leader of the Bree town watch. And even worse, a large segment of the Pony RP crowd on the server go along with it, making it a challenge to RP your way around it. I also had someone make fun of my character (allegedly IC fun) because my character, from Gondor, did not recognize her character was from Gondor. I had turned on "of Gondor" as my title, she had not. She apparently expected I would glean her character's place of origin from the ether.
yeah it happens. my least favorite is that guy who hangs out around the Pony, who says he is a magic wielder on a first name basis with Gandalf. i forgot he name but he is awfuly anouying.
yeah it happens. my least favorite is that guy who hangs out around the Pony, who says he is a magic wielder on a first name basis with Gandalf. i forgot he name but he is awfuly anouying.
Oooh, I just thought of the people who spam the emote channel with their (PG-rated) ERP. I got no beef with people ERPing, but obviously they want to intentionally flaunt it in front of everyone or they would not do it in /emote, they'd /tell or Fellow up and use the Fellowship channel. Or make and use a private user channel with a password.
Oooh, I just thought of the people who spam the emote channel with their (PG-rated) ERP. I got no beef with people ERPing, but obviously they want to intentionally flaunt it in front of everyone or they would not do it in /emote, they'd /tell or Fellow up and use the Fellowship channel. Or make and use a private user channel with a password.
The thing I dislike most about it is not the content, it's the fact that it spams the /emote channel, which is already crammed with enough public stuff as it is. I don't need to see private earlobe nibblings.
ok special debate!
A moraly dark/grey hobbit.
Thoughts?
No. Definitely not. The closest thing you get to that is Gollum, but he's a special case and he isn't really a hobbit anymore. At most, hobbits can be petty or troublesome like Lobelia Sackville-Baggins - but never dark/'grey'.
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No. Definitely not. The closest thing you get to that is Gollum, but he's a special case and he isn't really a hobbit anymore. At most, hobbits can be petty or troublesome like Lobelia Sackville-Baggins - but never dark/'grey'.
exactly. they could be missguided but never inherntly evil.
Why not? To deny the possibility of evil Hobbits is to say that they do not have the full gamut of free will.
its their nature, they are mostly happy and cheerful. they tend to be very carefree. thus they mey be missguided, they may steal, lie, cheat, ect but they are not evil or dark.
I suppose you guys aren't considering a giant jerk to qualify as dark/grey?
Personally I would absolutely consider a character like Ted Sandyman or Lotho "grey". Those kinds of petty things are what lead in the end to true evil... which is what I think the point of the Scouring is. Even silly, petty, not black-hearted evil can turn into the big "E" evil in the end. So grey hobbits, sure. Really evil aligned hobbits... less likely but I couldn't totally rule it out. If done well it could work.
its their nature, they are mostly happy and cheerful. they tend to be very carefree. thus they mey be missguided, they may steal, lie, cheat, ect but they are not evil or dark.
I can't buy that there could be no such thing as an evil Hobbit. Monolithic mores and social attitudes in a race of people sounds highly unrealistic.
well you have to read what Tolkin wrote about them. as someone else said they may be "Grey" but not realy truely evil.
We're not playing Tolkien's Middle-earth, we're playing Turbine's, which has expanded well beyond what Tolkien wrote. Otherwise, we'd be mighty limited indeed. That's why I'd like to see female Dwarves as an option.
It's usually the more wild stuff, that has kept me from really going into the community and trying to role-play with my Hobbits. Part of that is also it would probably be difficult for me at this point, because if its one thing consistent about players, it is their apparent inability to separate OOC from IC interaction.
I.E basing your opinion of me (the character) and my abilities to role-play or not, or even to be pleasant to be around, from your opinion of me (the player) whom you only really know because I hang in an OOC chat channel a lot.
Frankly those are the kinds of people I tend to avoid, yet there are still self-righteous role-players scattered here and there, no matter where you go.
I suppose a perfect example of this problem was posted above, with the two Gondor characters problem. It is quite right that one player/character expecting the other to know where they are from, is wrong. Even if she did have "Of Gondor" floating over her head, that is priviledged OOC information as far as I see it. The character shouldn't know anything about floaty names, or other types of stuff. She has no real basis to expect people to know where she's from unless she were running around screaming "Hey! I'm from Gondor!" at the top of her lungs
But different people draw the lines at different points, I guess. That's all I can really say because these types of discussions almost always degenerate into "My way or the highway" problems.
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It's usually the more wild stuff, that has kept me from really going into the community and trying to role-play with my Hobbits. Part of that is also it would probably be difficult for me at this point, because if its one thing consistent about players, it is their apparent inability to separate OOC from IC interaction.
I.E basing your opinion of me (the character) and my abilities to role-play or not, or even to be pleasant to be around, from your opinion of me (the player) whom you only really know because I hang in an OOC chat channel a lot.
Frankly those are the kinds of people I tend to avoid, yet there are still self-righteous role-players scattered here and there, no matter where you go.
I suppose a perfect example of this problem was posted above, with the two Gondor characters problem. It is quite right that one player/character expecting the other to know where they are from, is wrong. Even if she did have "Of Gondor" floating over her head, that is priviledged OOC information as far as I see it. The character shouldn't know anything about floaty names, or other types of stuff. She has no real basis to expect people to know where she's from unless she were running around screaming "Hey! I'm from Gondor!" at the top of her lungs
But different people draw the lines at different points, I guess. That's all I can really say because these types of discussions almost always degenerate into "My way or the highway" problems.
I think it's OK to have "of place of origin" titles, because people can tell from others' manner of speech and dress where the others are from (unless there's a total lack of familiarity).
The person also made fun of my Sindarin (IC), as if I the player have to be fluent in Sindarin for my character to be. Or did I mention that already?
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