Thread: Arena suggestion - Sparring contests for all levels - Close Major Hub

Imagine if there was a arena in say Bree-town.

All that are proficiant in roofclimbing know that in the middle of Bree-town there is a big open space (location open to discussion).
In this space there could easily fit an arena, without ruining current look of the town.
It would give players a chance to try their luck against another/or same class, at same level or level range.
It would provide another rp aspect to the town, both in the sence of people roleplaying an Arena fighter.
But it would also open up an opotunity to go watch a fight with your fellows,
and maybe even bet money on who you think is going to win. (kind of like in, dare i say, Oblivion)
It would also allow for Turnaments, class on class or mixed. Maybe even 2 vs 2 aswell.

This Arena should be open for levels 5-75(85)

Below level 20 you are only allowed to fight people at the same level as your self,
and after level 20 the level can deviate by 5 levels.

Could me made part of the instance finder to find a match to participate in/bet on and watch.

Would suggest some sort of door/gate into the arena in bree-town or maybe another better fitting place

Could be made an instanced arena but i would like to see it physically in the game aswell.

Like in regular spars There will be 10 seconds (after each player pushes ready, due to loading screen delay for some) before the match to bow to your opponent and make /flex emotes to the audience. Maybe add timed rounds. Winner Makes the other player dizzy not dead, just like in a regular spar. Another 10 seconds/or less/more after the match to bow or flex or what ever you need to do. And ofcouse some sort of non level Resticted barter item Prize for the winner.

I suggested this a while back but in true numpty fashion, some people just took it as a chance to troll, argue and just find problems with it, rather than adding to the idea...

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...se!&highlight=

Originally Posted by Thoroggy

I suggested this a while back but in true numpty fashion, some people just took it as a chance to troll, argue and just find problems with it, rather than adding to the idea...

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...se!&highlight=

well in the end its the devs eyes and not the trolls that matters and i think some were very open to the idea in your tread aswell. just need to look at the constructive inputs and pretend the negative ones arrent even there. Thank you for your input.

first of all, this is not supported lore-wise (there was never an arena in bree town...).
and second, it would cause major balance issues and constant whining on the forums (class A can do this, mine can't, make us equal etc.)

as fun as it might be, it would be a pretty problematic thing to have.

Originally Posted by Kaldenas

first of all, this is not supported lore-wise (there was never an arena in bree town...).
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I am pretty sure a huge whole in the center of town is'nt supported lore-wise either, so whats to lose really?

Originally Posted by Kaldenas

and second, it would cause major balance issues and constant whining on the forums (class A can do this, mine can't, make us equal etc.)

Well if you dont want to participate you dont have to, just like you dont have to spar if you dont have to.

The tokens you would win for it would not be performance gianing tokens. could for example be for a Houseing "Arena Champion Trophy" Arena fighter cosmetic or something similar. and for the class balance it would be no issue if it was only for example champ vs champ or mini vs mini. Or Turbine would simply just get another challenge. (joking here: Or make the loser not able to enter public chat for 2 minutes after a loss :P) Thanks for your reply, would have liked it a bit more constructive but hey!

Originally Posted by whatevernamerequired

I am pretty sure a huge whole in the center of town is'nt supported lore-wise either, so whats to lose really?

well that's a rather strange explanation... the hole in the center of the town has absolutely no part in the game. it is a practically invisible part of landscape that many players don't even know about. an arena on the other hand, would be a completely integrated and unavoidable (now don't give me the 'you don't have to take part in it' answer. the fact that there are people fighting in a Colosseum style arena in bree would destroy immersion for many players, even if they are not involved in it directly) game mechanic and landscape feature.

for someone who seems to have thought out everything, one would think you'd come up with a better answer for the lore issue...

How is this different than the spar feature already in game?

"It would give players a chance to try their luck against another/or same class, at same level or level range."

You can do this now with sparring.

"It would provide another rp aspect to the town, both in the sence of people roleplaying an Arena fighter."

Because arena fighters were such a large part of the LOTR books? I fail to see how this enhances RP.

"But it would also open up an opotunity to go watch a fight with your fellows, "

You can do this now with sparring.

"and maybe even bet money on who you think is going to win. (kind of like in, dare i say, Oblivion)"

Yes, I suppose it could allow wagering, although it could also be added to the existing sparring mechanism if the developers feel it is a worthwhile addition.

"It would also allow for Turnaments, class on class or mixed. Maybe even 2 vs 2 aswell."

Players can develop tournaments themselves if they wish to using sparring. Group sparring is discouraged at present.

I can only see balancing issues, grief, and additional code for a feature I personally would never use.
But that is my own preference. If a large portion of the players want such a feature and Turbine feels it is worth the investment with potential return on investment then I suppose they would add such features. I would not hold my breath since this suggestion has come up several times in the past with no action on Turbines/WB part.

It was a suggestion, shoot me down already.

Someone once said if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything.

And who said anything at all aobut coluseum?!

(I'm not here to argue, it just popped up in my mind last night and i had to suggest it today. I usually dont post on these forums, and frankly negative responces is not a motivater for me to do it again. I must admit that i did not check for any posts similar to this one. As i did not wish to contribute to old forgotten suggestions that was only close what i had in mind and had already gotten shot down. Question is, did we already suggest everything twice? Cause seems like this forum hasnt ever had a clean up.)

Originally Posted by whatevernamerequired

and maybe even bet money on who you think is going to win.

You can place side bets now, if you like, but it is extremely unlikely that Turbine would ever code an actual betting system into the game. It would run into all manner of laws in various countries, states, counties and municipalities. Basically, any form of official wagering in the game is a very large can of (legal) worms, and Turbine simply won't go there.

Originally Posted by whatevernamerequired

It was a suggestion, shoot me down already.

Various people have done so. Consider yourself shot down.

Someone once said if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything.

Pointing out flaws, or even just expressing opinions isn't "not saying something nice". This remark of yours suggests that the only responses you want are from people who agree with you. If you really don't want adverse comment, then don't post in a public forum. Send your idea to a CSR instead.

(I'm not here to argue, it just popped up in my mind last night and i had to suggest it today. I usually dont post on these forums, and frankly negative responces is not a motivater for me to do it again. I must admit that i did not check for any posts similar to this one. As i did not wish to contribute to old forgotten suggestions that was only close what i had in mind and had already gotten shot down. Question is, did we already suggest everything twice? Cause seems like this forum hasnt ever had a clean up.)

You have received a much milder response than that generated by any number of suggestions.

As soon as you get past basic sparring (and I'm all for having *instances* for sparring, preferably ones with their own chat channels), you're starting to edge towards open world PvP...and *that* subject is both contentious and acrimonious.

Probably the only reasons that sparring doesn't result in endless demands for class balancing are that (1) there are no rewards AT ALL, and (2) Turbine has flatly stated that they're not going to balance classes over sparring issues. If rewards and/or multiples per side were added, then calls for class balancing would start up in earnest, and that would be *another* set of acrimonious posting topics.

Most of the relatively obvious suggestions have been made multiple times. Granted, the search function of Forums is weak and ineffective, but Google is capable of finding LotRO Forum entries, so unless you're reasonably sure that a suggestion is either really new, or is a completely new approach to an idea that has been posted on before, then reading over the prior threads is a good idea. At the very least, reading older threads on the same topic will give you a fell for how a new variant is likely to be received.

To give an idea of a new slant on an old suggestion, I recently put forth an approach to "releveling" LIs but first using them to destruction. So far as I know, no one had previously proposed that as a mechanism, even though many proposals have been made to "relevel" LIs as we level up.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

The whole 'its against the lore' point isnt a valid one tbh, do we really need to go into all the things are are against the lore ingame? xD

Im not saying Bree is the best place for it but there are many places it could be where it wouldnt interfere in RPers fun etc.

I like the idea.

But it probably won't happen here, and you've seen why.
I love arenas in games. It keeps them interesting when there's nothing left to do.
Then again, I love pvp. (Well-done pvp, not the joke it is in this game...)

Probably not for this game, although if they implimented it, I'd totally play.

I could see something like it in Beggar's Ally in Bree, too.

Originally Posted by paintpixie

I like the idea.

I could see something like it in Beggar's Ally in Bree, too.

Beggars' Alley is already enough of a problem. I had a level-11 LM alt there recently, doing a quest (scrap metal for horseshoes, IIRC), and she was attacked by an at-level Brigand.

And of course, being a conscientious LM, she *didn't* have her Raven up.

So it was a close thing. So close, in fact, that we (the Brigand and I) ended up with something I've never seen before or since: a double kill. I killed the Brigand; she killed me.

But I had a rez option and she didn't. Serve her right.

I *really* wish Turbine would take the Brigands out of the Alley, and not put them anywhere else in any town, either.

Originally Posted by djheydt

I *really* wish Turbine would take the Brigands out of the Alley, and not put them anywhere else in any town, either.

I'm not agreeing with you. Although Bree in generally should be a save haven I still think it is more realistic that even in Bree there are unsafe areas (Harry Goatleaf is not thrusworthy, so I can imagine that there are other people in town who are willing to kill / rob you).

So why not in the Alley

Originally Posted by whatevernamerequired

Someone once said if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything.

no one really said anything bad or trolled you, ergo we have to assume that for you 'nice' means to actually agree with you, which can not possibly be the case in any and every idea you (or anyone else) come up with.
if you want to suggest things on public channels, learn to deal with legit criticism.

Originally Posted by djheydt

Beggars' Alley is already enough of a problem. I had a level-11 LM alt there recently, doing a quest (scrap metal for horseshoes, IIRC), and she was attacked by an at-level Brigand.

And of course, being a conscientious LM, she *didn't* have her Raven up.

So it was a close thing. So close, in fact, that we (the Brigand and I) ended up with something I've never seen before or since: a double kill. I killed the Brigand; she killed me.

But I had a rez option and she didn't. Serve her right.

I *really* wish Turbine would take the Brigands out of the Alley, and not put them anywhere else in any town, either.

Well, at least if *you* choose to stay at the Prancing Pony, Black Riders won't come and try and stab you in your sleep.
But that doesn't mean Bree was Disneyland, either...
At the time, there *were* brigands in town, people were scared, stuff was going down.

One low level brigand in beggar alley is just a hint of what it was really like at the time, I'm sure.