Thread: No love for goat lovers

I love my Thorin's Hall Goat.... I have goats as my wallpaper for all my devices. I'm obsessed goats in general. So imagine my excitement to hear about mounted combat. This excitement was subsequently dashed when I discovered that mounted combat meant horses ( or in my case ponies). I spent an entire day grinding for the rep and gold to buy my poor goat who will now be left to sit on my hot bar reminiscing about our adventures.

Please save my poor goat and allow mounted combat for those of us more more caprine oriented.

Sincerely,
The dwarf and his goat

Being a 'goat lover' is illegal in most countries

You can still use it in towns and basic travel.

Let them get all the animation and kinks worked out for war-horses, and then maybe we'll see goat-steed options down the road..

Certainly, if I'd picked up a Fleet-Footed goat for my Runekeeper, I'd want that as a war-steed appearance.

Originally Posted by Jewl_of_the_lake

You can still use it in towns and basic travel.

I knew that. I just feel like once I get to lvl. cap it will be easier to stay on the war steed so I don't have to switch everytime I see a Warband or mob

The only problem with riding Goats In RoR is we received Warhorses from the Rohirrim, Im pretty sure they eat goats instead of training or breeding them for battle, all joking aside War Goats might be to much of a Lore Breaker (as far as receiving them from Rohan) to be put into the game, but who knows?

Originally Posted by Dawnn

The only problem with riding Goats In RoR is we received Warhorses from the Rohirrim, Im pretty sure they eat goats instead of training or breeding them for battle, all joking aside War Goats might be to much of a Lore Breaker (as far as receiving them from Rohan) to be put into the game, but who knows?

Touche (can't add accents ) What about the Lonely Mountain, with such a vast hilly plain surrounding it, the dwarves must have some sort of mounted combat. Though that would come much later in a much different expansion.

Originally Posted by Mandos99

Touche (can't add accents ) What about the Lonely Mountain, with such a vast hilly plain surrounding it, the dwarves must have some sort of mounted combat. Though that would come much later in a much different expansion.

To my knowledge, the only mounted combat that Dwarves participated in they utilized LPC's or Leather Personnel Carriers. The better known name for LPC's is Boots.

edit to add that the LPC's could possibly have been made from goats...

Originally Posted by Dawnn

all joking aside War Goats might be to much of a Lore Breaker (as far as receiving them from Rohan) to be put into the game

And regular goats aren't?

PLEASE no. I know some people like goats. I like mine from time to time but they have no place being in mounted combat. Please keep it lore appropriate in Rohan and Gondor. Unless somehow Turbine could make the mount appearance client side so only you see the goat and everyone else see's a warsteed.

Originally Posted by Dawnn

The only problem with riding Goats In RoR is we received Warhorses from the Rohirrim, Im pretty sure they eat goats instead of training or breeding them for battle, all joking aside War Goats might be to much of a Lore Breaker (as far as receiving them from Rohan) to be put into the game, but who knows?

Say War Goats out loud and not laugh....i dare ya!!!! i LOLED SO HARD!!!!!

Goats should be able to ride their own war-horses!

As I already said before, I think it makes much more sense for a dwarf to ride a goat than to ride a pony (plus it looks much better).Besides that, war ponies are as lore-breaking as war goats, and if we were to recive them we could get them in Khazad-Dûm or Thorin's Hall. It makes no sense to get a goat from rohan.

Originally Posted by updradedsam3000

As I already said before, I think it makes much more sense for a dwarf to ride a goat than to ride a pony (plus it looks much better).

Perhaps you do think that, and that's fine, but Tolkien did not. Dwarves rode ponies.

Why does everybody think that dwarves riding ponies is lore-breaking? In The Hobbit, all of the dwarves rode ponies.

Ponies riding to war is not lore breaking; Merry rode a pony (even though the pony didn't make it). Ponies being as fast as horses is lore-breaking and against science, but that's a sacrifice that was necessary to make.

I have never heard of people riding goats in the books, so (as far as I'm aware) goat riding is lore breaking. Let alone goats riding to war. Besides, the Rohirrim did not train goats. Goats, if they could be used for riding, would not have been able to travel nearly as fast as horses. I guess these are enough reasons for today.

Originally Posted by updradedsam3000

As I already said before, I think it makes much more sense for a dwarf to ride a goat than to ride a pony (plus it looks much better).Besides that, war ponies are as lore-breaking as war goats, and if we were to recive them we could get them in Khazad-Dûm or Thorin's Hall. It makes no sense to get a goat from rohan.

It makes no sense for Dwarves to be riding anything into battle, if you want to be picky, because they always fought on foot. So, no war-goats.

As others have said the ponies are otherwise 100% lore-friendly, whereas the goats are precisely 0% as they're just some generic fantasy Turbine stuck into the game.

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

It makes no sense for Dwarves to be riding anything into battle, if you want to be picky, because they always fought on foot. So, no war-goats.

As others have said the ponies are otherwise 100% lore-friendly, whereas the goats are precisely 0% as they're just some generic fantasy Turbine stuck into the game.

Ponies are 0% lore-friendly when they are being used for mounted combat. Mind you Hobbits and Dwarves as cavalry are 0% lore-friendly as well. There is nowhere in any of Tolkein's works that either race rode into battle in any way other than as pillion passengers who were dismounted before combat was initiated. So any lore-friendly arguments are moot as regards RoR anyway.

Thank God Turbine had the sense to not allow battle-goats. Though I suspect their integrity won't last too long if they discover a way to add battle-goats to the Store.

The OP is just disturbing.

The goats in Moria should've been mules anyway.

The only appropriate way for goats to be anywhere near combat (or transportation at all, for that matter) is in the form of a two goat powered chariot...with the driver using a throwing hammer.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by podgie_bear

Ponies are 0% lore-friendly when they are being used for mounted combat.

Try telling the Mongol Horde that, it's not like you can't ride a pony into battle. It just has to be trained for it.

Mind you Hobbits and Dwarves as cavalry are 0% lore-friendly as well. There is nowhere in any of Tolkein's works that either race rode into battle in any way other than as pillion passengers who were dismounted before combat was initiated. So any lore-friendly arguments are moot as regards RoR anyway.

I already said that Dwarves didn't do cavalry. Point is, if they were on goats as well that'd be two lots of wrong for the price of one.

Where did Bullroarer get the idea to charge the Goblins on horseback? Hobbits were beginners when it came to warfare so why not copy Men when it came to riding horses, as well as everything else?

From "The Hobbit":

If you have ever seen a dragon in a pinch, you will realize that this was only poetical exaggeration applied to any hobbit, even to Old Took's great-grand-uncle Bullroarer, who was so huge (for a hobbit) that he could ride a horse. He charged the ranks of the goblins of Mount Gram in the Battle of the Green Fields, and knocked their king Golfimbul's head clean off with a wooden club. It sailed a hundred yards through the air and went down a rabbit-hole, and in this way the battle was won and the game of Golf invented at the same moment.

It was nowhere stated, that Bandobras rode horse in battle, and the sentence "He charged the ranks of the goblins" leaves a lot to interpret it both ways - he charged on foot, or on a horse.

Still, with the feat he did - namely knocking Golfimbul's head from shoulders , the feat could have been easier accomplished if the Bullroared had advantage of heights... like this:

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

Try telling the Mongol Horde that, it's not like you can't ride a pony into battle. It just has to be trained for it.

I did not mean in real life, I meant as in Tolkein Lore. And as regards ponies in battle, I would love a war chariot, but throwing hammers would not work, javelins are the traditional weapon thrown from chariots and seem the most likely if chariots were introduced into the game. Not that that is likely to happen, but they would certainly fit better than riding goats.

Goats and mounted combat are ok for me, as long as the mounted combat with goats is restricted to moria :P

Originally Posted by whheydt

The only appropriate way for goats to be anywhere near combat (or transportation at all, for that matter) is in the form of a two goat powered chariot...with the driver using a throwing hammer.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

I would love to see that.

The Rohirrim aren't called "The Goat-lords" for good reason

Originally Posted by Brya

The Rohirrim aren't called "The Goat-lords" for good reason

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Originally Posted by mothermoy

Say War Goats out loud and not laugh....i dare ya!!!! i LOLED SO HARD!!!!!

WAR GOATS !!!

RAMMING SPEED !!!



Oh, this is fun.

Originally Posted by mothermoy

Say War Goats out loud and not laugh....i dare ya!!!! i LOLED SO HARD!!!!!

LOL, I cant.

Originally Posted by podgie_bear

I did not mean in real life, I meant as in Tolkein Lore.

If it works IRL then there's no reason to assume it wouldn't in Middle-earth.

And as regards ponies in battle, I would love a war chariot, but throwing hammers would not work, javelins are the traditional weapon thrown from chariots and seem the most likely if chariots were introduced into the game. Not that that is likely to happen, but they would certainly fit better than riding goats.

I think whheydt's remark went over your head a bit... Thor was said to ride around in a chariot pulled by two magic goats, hence the thing about the throwing hammer

Originally Posted by Dawnn

...we received Warhorses from the Rohirrim, Im pretty sure they eat goats...

Wait, warhorses eat goats? No wonder they're so cranky...

As much as I would love to have a war goat, the lore-breaker hippies will probably ruin it for everyone. Although there is some hope, Aaron Campbell said that it was a possibility. It sounded like their priority is just making sure the system works first, and then worry about things like war goats later. Which I agree with, I'd rather have a war horse that works, than a buggy war goat.

Originally Posted by Dimes

As much as I would love to have a war goat, the lore-breaker hippies will probably ruin it for everyone. Although there is some hope, Aaron Campbell said that it was a possibility. It sounded like their priority is just making sure the system works first, and then worry about things like war goats later. Which I agree with, I'd rather have a war horse that works, than a buggy war goat.

Lore-breaker hippies? You don't need to be a lore expert to realize that war-goats are a very dumb idea.

Originally Posted by Himodhur

Lore-breaker hippies? You don't need to be a lore expert to realize that war-goats are a very dumb idea.

Whether Turbine's idea is dumb, or not, is irrelevant. A lot of people want war-goats. I just don't think the possibility should be cast aside due solely to reasons of lore. I mean the mounted combat system itself is already lore-breaking. So what difference does it make if a dwarf rides a goat or a horse? Either way, it breaks lore. I really don't see the problem in letting people choose their preferred type of mount.

Originally Posted by Dimes

Whether Turbine's idea is dumb, or not, is irrelevant. A lot of people want war-goats. I just don't think the possibility should be cast aside due solely to reasons of lore. I mean the mounted combat system itself is already lore-breaking. So what difference does it make if a dwarf rides a goat or a horse? Either way, it breaks lore. I really don't see the problem in letting people choose their preferred type of mount.

Lots of people, seemingly far more than just the usual 'lore' crowd, don't want war-goats in Rohan because of the vibrantly poetic image the place has, the whole romance of the 'Land of the Horse-lords'. That's the problem, and you saying you don't see it won't make it go away.

One bad turn does not deserve another. Just because Dwarves will have to be seen to be riding into battle in Rohan would not make it okay for them to be doing so on goats. That'd be adding insult to injury.

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ponies are for little girls

Originally Posted by Vellrad

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ponies are for little girls

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

Lots of people, seemingly far more than just the usual 'lore' crowd, don't want war-goats in Rohan because of the vibrantly poetic image the place has, the whole romance of the 'Land of the Horse-lords'. That's the problem, and you saying you don't see it won't make it go away.

One bad turn does not deserve another. Just because Dwarves will have to be seen to be riding into battle in Rohan would not make it okay for them to be doing so on goats. That'd be adding insult to injury.

Well I don't like seeing humans and elves walking around, but I somehow endure the pain. I know I would never goto the forums and petition for elves and humans to be changed to dwarves for my viewing pleasure. I just don't play them. And if other people want to play an elf, or a human, that's their choice. I don't concern myself with what others choose to do in this game.

Even after reading it complete the thread the title sounds so wrong