Thread: I want a package that says to me: Yes, monthly VIP subscriber we appreciate you too

Let me explain - - No that will take to long, Let me sum up.

I'm an old time monthly subscriber. I came to this game a little late. Shortly after moria came out - I was about half way through moria on my first toon when Loth came out. So I've been dutifully paying my $13 a month plus or minus for over 3 yrs.

When I first started playing and probably for 3-5 months after I started it was still possible to buy a lifetime sub for $199. I almost did. Bends over and kicks self.

When I first heard about the idea of the game going F2P I groaned. I was like oh man, this game is done. I'm so out of here. So I'm one of those people who has had a negative attitude about the store from before day one. As the day approached that the game would go F2P I truly almost left. But I said, stick around and see how it plays out. I decided I would just keep my subscription and do my best to ignore any and all aspects about the store.

Thanks to playing multiple toons and grinding virtues etc when F2P went live as I logged in with different toons I watched the TP count up. By the time I'd logged them all in I had about 8k TP. Still I completely ignored the store. Months went by and with grinding my Virtues and 500 TP a month from my sub at the end of 6 months I had 12k TP and still I had bought nothing in the store. This is how determined I was to not let the stinking store invade my little world. I play online games to escape the money grubbing outer world and here the money grubbing outer world was thrusting itself in my face every 2 seconds with endless store icons and TP pop ups.

It was about this time the endless harangue from the store combined with the true 'in game' benefits that toons could buy finally got me to use this game script I had accumulated. It was because I had a warden that had finally hit 65 and was hitting the forums about maxing him out and the stats people where talking about where WAY above what my warden could achieve and I was like... what gear, what jewelry what you all using to get these numbers?

And the reply came back multiple times. Plus 50 to each stat from the store. I was like that is total BS but enjoying my warden and wishing to be all I could be and having 12k TP that I had actually never bought I bought myself +50 to each stat for my warden.

But I still hate the store and still try my best to ignore it and I still pay my monthly fee. Which as time goes on I constantly have pounded into my brain how stupid I am. That the smart move would have been to drop to premium the first day of F2P and buy one of the big double point bundles that were offered. I know people that did and have never spent another dime on the game other then the Xpacs. All the while I continue to pay my $10 to $15 a month.

I know people love to spit in my face and laugh when I say its not the $70 dollars, its the principle of the thing to me. But I used to play with a doctor friend who felt the same way about the store I do. He tried to ignore it until Relic removal was taken off the reforge guy and moved to a store bought scroll. At that point he canceled his VIP sup and said I'm just going to play premium. But turns out he liked the nickel and dime aspect of the store even less as premium so now he plays another game and gives them $15 a month. So it is not the money. It is the way some of us feel about the direction the game has taken with the store and F2P which most people admit costs them a hec of a lot more a month then their monthly sub used to.

I know some of you are thinking... this is all well and nice, but is there a point to your story ?? Or is this your attempt at the shaggy dog saga. Bare with me. There is a point. So let me babble a little longer then I'll get to the point.

Anyway the $99 for a year sub came out shortly after the relic removal scroll and I while I had all but quit over the relic removal scroll I was on a three month sub and just playing till it ran out, I bit on the $99 for a year. I thought. Heck, just buy a year then ignore the store and ignore the fact you are getting ripped off as a monthly sub payer. I thought with a one year sub I could push all the monetary bull from my mind. I even tried to convince my doctor friend to do the same, and he almost did. He said he had already had that same thought before I suggested it and said he would give it another thought. But instead he just got fed up and left.

Now like a lot of other people I got curious how well the F2P model worked for someone just coming to the game. So I started a free to play account to see if one really could play for free, and guess what? One can pretty nearly play this game for free. I leveled my main on that account to 60 without ever spending one dime on him. Still had the 2 gold cap. Still had the 3 bag limit. Had bought riding with in game earned TP and bought North downs, everswim and eregion with the same.

At this point I was enjoying having a cappy on a second account to tag along with my toons on my VIP accounts so I reasoned I'd buy a boxed version of Moria, get one month free, get moria quests, get the two extra toon slots and RK and warden which I'll never use and 500 tp and open all my bags and virtues. Pretty dang sweet and had the bonus (at least I'm pretty sure) that Turbine did not see a penny of the $24 dollars I spent on it. After this I did want to hit RoI with him and dang if it was not on sale for $14.95.

My free month that came with moria is up but I managed to knock out all of the Big river area, Loth, and forechele during that month so got the rep and deeds and virtues done so don't need them anymore. Bought mirkwood with in game earned TP.

So now I have this account that I have maintained my monthly VIP sub on and have spent roughly $450 dollars on plus or minus and who's 1 year sub is running out. (oops that $450 is just the sub cost not including Xpacs) So to continue to play him I need spend another $100. Contrast that with my F2P account which I have spent a total of $39 dollars on and less then $15 of that going to Turbine and you know what. The F2P account has the same access, all of RoI moria and mirkwood and all their skirms and instances. Why am I going to spend $100 to keep my sub.

Because I want to. I want to be VIP, and $100 really is not much. But I would LOVE to see a package from Turbine aimed at people like me that said to me - "We appreciate that you wish to pay us $15 a month for what little benefit you derive from it. We understand that a big reason you do it is because you wish to not have our money grubbing ways jammed down your throat.

So here is a package designed just for you.
You get the 6th bag slot,
you get 12 months of VIP
You get RoR with the 4th legendary crystal or the mount and cosmetics your choice
You get access to the special quests et
And you get all this for one low price of
$130. Actually anywhere between $125 - $140 seems right to me

I see a package like this and I'd snap it up. I may still feel that it would be cheaper for me to go premium. But Turbine at least appreciates my business and is giving a package to me and the people like me.

I am new to all this and am frustrated the way VIP customers are treated, sqeeze squeeze squeeze as much money out of them and bye the way do not respect what they want or hope to achieve,
This game is all about money, I dont mind tipping up a proper fee and have to add or purchase a few luxory's... but being ripped of in my view to having access to all the game is not right.
Why dont lotro/turbine be up front with us and say "here is the deal the whole deal" give us a price and customers can then make an informed choice as to pay the price or move on.
Like today has been a total washout with the maintainance of over 11 hours, a lost ady to me and other peeps. All we get is sorry..Step up and do something for the membership in these cases. If my subs fail to be paid i get downgraded or kicked off so they should recipricate by giving some thing for th inconveniance.
Back to the auther of this thread. I agre with all his comments and fully suport him in what he says. TURBINE/LOTRO respect us, LISTEN to us and treat us right. You have a good thing going here but once your members start marching with there feet to other new games you will lose everything.

Well, who am I to talk. I'm a lifetimer.

However....

if there were no lifetime subscription, if I were paying a monthly subscription fee as well as buying the occasional expansion pack, I would still think it a better deal than being "f2p" and buying chunks piecemeal, continually having to figure out whether buying THIS would get me THAT. Just the absence of that kind of ongoing confusion would look like a big bonus to me.

And I'm on Social Security.

12 Months of VIP alone is $99. They wont give you all that for only $130.

Bon chance regarding the idea.

Also, I must say that I'm impressed that your post was you just summing things up rather than explaining in detail. I thought I was wordy...

Originally Posted by tharkun3

Let me explain - - No that will take to long, Let me sum up.

I'm an old time monthly subscriber. I came to this game a little late. Shortly after moria came out - I was about half way through moria on my first toon when Loth came out. So I've been dutifully paying my $13 a month plus or minus for over 3 yrs.

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Because I want to. I want to be VIP, and $100 really is not much. But I would LOVE to see a package from Turbine aimed at people like me that said to me - "We appreciate that you wish to pay us $15 a month for what little benefit you derive from it. We understand that a big reason you do it is because you wish to not have our money grubbing ways jammed down your throat.

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I see a package like this and I'd snap it up. I may still feel that it would be cheaper for me to go premium. But Turbine at least appreciates my business and is giving a package to me and the people like me.

Seriously, this an amusingly unconvincing argument.

Also, being a Pre-F2P subscriber the various subscription tiers were available minus the turbine points. Expansions were all separate purchases for everyone.

Now the subscriptions are cheaper after costing.

1 Year Subscription = $99
6,000 Turbine Points = $60 or so

Total yearly cost not buying any additional points? $39 or $3.25 per month.

Monthly Subscription = $14.95
500 Turbine Points = $8.00 or so

Total monthly cost not buying any additional points? $6.95 per month.

Attempting to get more for less is reasonable. What is lacking with these types of fallacious entitlement arguments is reality.

Rather, these are just emotionally charged outbursts that deliberately attempts to manipulate; and are very predictable and very poorly executed.

So seriously, attempting to dog-whistle vilify Turbine for being a business and hoping fallacious entitlement arguments are convincing is just, well, at best a waste of time.

Hope your outburst was cathartic.

Originally Posted by tharkun3

Let me explain - - No that will take to long, Let me sum up.

I'm an old time monthly subscriber. I came to this game a little late. Shortly after moria came out - I was about half way through moria on my first toon when Loth came out. So I've been dutifully paying my $13 a month plus or minus for over 3 yrs.

When I first started playing and probably for 3-5 months after I started it was still possible to buy a lifetime sub for $199. I almost did. Bends over and kicks self.

When I first heard about the idea of the game going F2P I groaned. I was like oh man, this game is done. I'm so out of here. So I'm one of those people who has had a negative attitude about the store from before day one. As the day approached that the game would go F2P I truly almost left. But I said, stick around and see how it plays out. I decided I would just keep my subscription and do my best to ignore any and all aspects about the store.

Thanks to playing multiple toons and grinding virtues etc when F2P went live as I logged in with different toons I watched the TP count up. By the time I'd logged them all in I had about 8k TP. Still I completely ignored the store. Months went by and with grinding my Virtues and 500 TP a month from my sub at the end of 6 months I had 12k TP and still I had bought nothing in the store. This is how determined I was to not let the stinking store invade my little world. I play online games to escape the money grubbing outer world and here the money grubbing outer world was thrusting itself in my face every 2 seconds with endless store icons and TP pop ups.

It was about this time the endless harangue from the store combined with the true 'in game' benefits that toons could buy finally got me to use this game script I had accumulated. It was because I had a warden that had finally hit 65 and was hitting the forums about maxing him out and the stats people where talking about where WAY above what my warden could achieve and I was like... what gear, what jewelry what you all using to get these numbers?

And the reply came back multiple times. Plus 50 to each stat from the store. I was like that is total BS but enjoying my warden and wishing to be all I could be and having 12k TP that I had actually never bought I bought myself +50 to each stat for my warden.

But I still hate the store and still try my best to ignore it and I still pay my monthly fee. Which as time goes on I constantly have pounded into my brain how stupid I am. That the smart move would have been to drop to premium the first day of F2P and buy one of the big double point bundles that were offered. I know people that did and have never spent another dime on the game other then the Xpacs. All the while I continue to pay my $10 to $15 a month.

I know people love to spit in my face and laugh when I say its not the $70 dollars, its the principle of the thing to me. But I used to play with a doctor friend who felt the same way about the store I do. He tried to ignore it until Relic removal was taken off the reforge guy and moved to a store bought scroll. At that point he canceled his VIP sup and said I'm just going to play premium. But turns out he liked the nickel and dime aspect of the store even less as premium so now he plays another game and gives them $15 a month. So it is not the money. It is the way some of us feel about the direction the game has taken with the store and F2P which most people admit costs them a hec of a lot more a month then their monthly sub used to.

I know some of you are thinking... this is all well and nice, but is there a point to your story ?? Or is this your attempt at the shaggy dog saga. Bare with me. There is a point. So let me babble a little longer then I'll get to the point.

Anyway the $99 for a year sub came out shortly after the relic removal scroll and I while I had all but quit over the relic removal scroll I was on a three month sub and just playing till it ran out, I bit on the $99 for a year. I thought. Heck, just buy a year then ignore the store and ignore the fact you are getting ripped off as a monthly sub payer. I thought with a one year sub I could push all the monetary bull from my mind. I even tried to convince my doctor friend to do the same, and he almost did. He said he had already had that same thought before I suggested it and said he would give it another thought. But instead he just got fed up and left.

Now like a lot of other people I got curious how well the F2P model worked for someone just coming to the game. So I started a free to play account to see if one really could play for free, and guess what? One can pretty nearly play this game for free. I leveled my main on that account to 60 without ever spending one dime on him. Still had the 2 gold cap. Still had the 3 bag limit. Had bought riding with in game earned TP and bought North downs, everswim and eregion with the same.

At this point I was enjoying having a cappy on a second account to tag along with my toons on my VIP accounts so I reasoned I'd buy a boxed version of Moria, get one month free, get moria quests, get the two extra toon slots and RK and warden which I'll never use and 500 tp and open all my bags and virtues. Pretty dang sweet and had the bonus (at least I'm pretty sure) that Turbine did not see a penny of the $24 dollars I spent on it. After this I did want to hit RoI with him and dang if it was not on sale for $14.95.

My free month that came with moria is up but I managed to knock out all of the Big river area, Loth, and forechele during that month so got the rep and deeds and virtues done so don't need them anymore. Bought mirkwood with in game earned TP.

So now I have this account that I have maintained my monthly VIP sub on and have spent roughly $450 dollars on plus or minus and who's 1 year sub is running out. (oops that $450 is just the sub cost not including Xpacs) So to continue to play him I need spend another $100. Contrast that with my F2P account which I have spent a total of $39 dollars on and less then $15 of that going to Turbine and you know what. The F2P account has the same access, all of RoI moria and mirkwood and all their skirms and instances. Why am I going to spend $100 to keep my sub.

Because I want to. I want to be VIP, and $100 really is not much. But I would LOVE to see a package from Turbine aimed at people like me that said to me - "We appreciate that you wish to pay us $15 a month for what little benefit you derive from it. We understand that a big reason you do it is because you wish to not have our money grubbing ways jammed down your throat.

So here is a package designed just for you.
You get the 6th bag slot,
you get 12 months of VIP
You get RoR with the 4th legendary crystal or the mount and cosmetics your choice
You get access to the special quests et
And you get all this for one low price of
$130. Actually anywhere between $125 - $140 seems right to me

I see a package like this and I'd snap it up. I may still feel that it would be cheaper for me to go premium. But Turbine at least appreciates my business and is giving a package to me and the people like me.

I don't think you thoroughly explained yourself, can you clarify some more.

Actually I hope Turbine start nickeL and dime even more so they can make more money for development.

I agree with some of what you said. I dont think the preorder packages are tempting for either long term VIPs or Lifetime members. The base package has things missing from it that I think should be there for a preorder, the 6th bag and the outriders token.

I truely believe that the ledgendary package is over priced for what you get and the mid priced one has nothing that a VIP or Lifetimer would want. That leaves me not having purchase the expansion yet but rather waiting for it to go on sale once it goes live. I have decided I am fine with being a few weeks behind the majority of the players.

Things I as a lifetime member do not want to see in an expansion package are more then 1000 TP, I have more then I can spend now. I understand lots of people want more so throwing in 1000 is fine more then that is a waste of my money. Quest packs, I have access to them so do not want to be paying for them no matter how good of a deal it is. VIP time, I am a lifetime so I dont have any use for more VIP time.

Originally Posted by ThistleRose3

I agree with some of what you said. I dont think the preorder packages are tempting for either long term VIPs or Lifetime members. The base package has things missing from it that I think should be there for a preorder, the 6th bag and the outriders token.

I truely believe that the ledgendary package is over priced for what you get and the mid priced one has nothing that a VIP or Lifetimer would want. That leaves me not having purchase the expansion yet but rather waiting for it to go on sale once it goes live. I have decided I am fine with being a few weeks behind the majority of the players.

Things I as a lifetime member do not want to see in an expansion package are more then 1000 TP, I have more then I can spend now. I understand lots of people want more so throwing in 1000 is fine more then that is a waste of my money. Quest packs, I have access to them so do not want to be paying for them no matter how good of a deal it is. VIP time, I am a lifetime so I dont have any use for more VIP time.

So just buy RoR expansion with your gobs of Turbine Points. And buy the 6th bag slot with your turbine points. Seriously that's what both you and OP should do.

Originally Posted by hallasan

Seriously, this an amusingly unconvincing argument.

Also, being a Pre-F2P subscriber the various subscription tiers were available minus the turbine points. Expansions were all separate purchases for everyone.

Now the subscriptions are cheaper after costing.

1 Year Subscription = $99
6,000 Turbine Points = $60 or so

Total yearly cost not buying any additional points? $39 or $3.25 per month.

Monthly Subscription = $14.95
500 Turbine Points = $8.00 or so

Total monthly cost not buying any additional points? $6.95 per month.

Attempting to get more for less is reasonable. What is lacking with these types of fallacious entitlement arguments is reality.

Rather, these are just emotionally charged outbursts that deliberately attempts to manipulate; and are very predictable and very poorly executed.

So seriously, attempting to dog-whistle vilify Turbine for being a business and hoping fallacious entitlement arguments are convincing is just, well, at best a waste of time.

Hope you outburst was cathartic.

Well said. And why is this in the RoR section?

Originally Posted by MamaHobbit25

So just buy RoR expansion with your gobs of Turbine Points. And buy the 6th bag slot with your turbine points. Seriously that's what both you and OP should do.

Which is what I fully planned on doing once they released the package discriptions and I didnt really find any of them to my liking. But one issue is that by adding the instances to the expansion the price of the expansion increased for VIPs by some unknown amount if you wanted to purchase it with TP. Prior to that I would have gotten the instances for free. Now I will have to pay for them separatly because they are part of the expansion but the complete expansion will not be avalible at the store at the time of release.


But what I am really saying is that I am willing to spend some real money to support the game I play but they have made it unattractive for me to do so. Rather then spending the $50 that I had planned on spending for the expansion and using the saved up Turbine points for horse cosmetics or some other fluff in the store I will now spend the TPs on the expansion.

I don't get it at all.

You seem to feel like you don't get what you think you should be getting for your money, and yet you still spend that money on it, refusing to use another payment option, instead you choose to complain that you want to spend money on something not worth them?

Originally Posted by MamaHobbit25

So just buy RoR expansion with your gobs of Turbine Points. And buy the 6th bag slot with your turbine points. Seriously that's what both you and OP should do.

Do you realize that if Turbine made an interesting bundle for VIPs they could sell more pre-orders? I agree with you, for a VIP the best option now is to by the expansion and the 6th bag slot with points. But that is just a missed selling opportunity for Turbine.

Originally Posted by tharkun3

Let me explain - - No that will take to long, Let me sum up.

You keep using that word - I do not think it means what you think it means!

As someone who had a VIP subscription account (from Turbine) and currently has a lifetime VIP account (from Codemasters), I can say that the Legendary Edition for Rohan was far more appealing to me than the one for Isengard. The latter had some nice quest packs, but if you're VIP it felt like a waste. The bonuses this time around are more substantial:

1. 6th Bag - huge, we've been asking for this for years. It beats vault space any day, and I hope they add more, even if we have to buy with TP.

2. Mount Session play and War-steed heal skill - this is fun to earn and the reward is fairly substantial - a 1-day War-steed heal.

3. Crystal of Remembrance - an extra legacy, always valuable (there are some legacies that even at rank 1 are very useful, so the argument that you won't have enough points doesn't always work).

4. 2,000 TP - there was only 1k for Isengard. Admittedly this was a late addition by Turbine and the price is much higher, but this does give more bang for buck.

5. Horse Cosmetics - We always get cosmetics, horse and character, but we also got one for our soldier and, more importantly, one of the login screens confirms that we'll be getting a War-steed cosmetic outfit of the Eastemnet steed from this package. Cosmetics for War-steeds are going to be big, so this is a nice bonus.

I think there's plenty in this package for VIPs, subscriber or lifetime.

-Bel

Originally Posted by hallasan

Also, being a Pre-F2P subscriber the various subscription tiers were available minus the turbine points.

"minus the turbine points" isn't really very accurate there, at least not in terms of what features are involved, since at the time no Turbine Points were needed. Pre-F2P everything except the base game and expansions was included for the subscription fee. So it was really more equivalent to getting an infinite number of Turbine Points that could be spent on anything other than expansions. After the game went F2P, that infinite amount got cut down to a measly 500 per month.

Originally Posted by tharkun3

Let me explain - - No that will take to long, Let me sum up.

I'm an old time monthly subscriber. I came to this game a little late. Shortly after moria came out - I was about half way through moria on my first toon when Loth came out. So I've been dutifully paying my $13 a month plus or minus for over 3 yrs.

When I first started playing and probably for 3-5 months after I started it was still possible to buy a lifetime sub for $199. I almost did. Bends over and kicks self.

When I first heard about the idea of the game going F2P I groaned. I was like oh man, this game is done. I'm so out of here. So I'm one of those people who has had a negative attitude about the store from before day one. As the day approached that the game would go F2P I truly almost left. But I said, stick around and see how it plays out. I decided I would just keep my subscription and do my best to ignore any and all aspects about the store.

Thanks to playing multiple toons and grinding virtues etc when F2P went live as I logged in with different toons I watched the TP count up. By the time I'd logged them all in I had about 8k TP. Still I completely ignored the store. Months went by and with grinding my Virtues and 500 TP a month from my sub at the end of 6 months I had 12k TP and still I had bought nothing in the store. This is how determined I was to not let the stinking store invade my little world. I play online games to escape the money grubbing outer world and here the money grubbing outer world was thrusting itself in my face every 2 seconds with endless store icons and TP pop ups.

It was about this time the endless harangue from the store combined with the true 'in game' benefits that toons could buy finally got me to use this game script I had accumulated. It was because I had a warden that had finally hit 65 and was hitting the forums about maxing him out and the stats people where talking about where WAY above what my warden could achieve and I was like... what gear, what jewelry what you all using to get these numbers?

And the reply came back multiple times. Plus 50 to each stat from the store. I was like that is total BS but enjoying my warden and wishing to be all I could be and having 12k TP that I had actually never bought I bought myself +50 to each stat for my warden.

But I still hate the store and still try my best to ignore it and I still pay my monthly fee. Which as time goes on I constantly have pounded into my brain how stupid I am. That the smart move would have been to drop to premium the first day of F2P and buy one of the big double point bundles that were offered. I know people that did and have never spent another dime on the game other then the Xpacs. All the while I continue to pay my $10 to $15 a month.

I know people love to spit in my face and laugh when I say its not the $70 dollars, its the principle of the thing to me. But I used to play with a doctor friend who felt the same way about the store I do. He tried to ignore it until Relic removal was taken off the reforge guy and moved to a store bought scroll. At that point he canceled his VIP sup and said I'm just going to play premium. But turns out he liked the nickel and dime aspect of the store even less as premium so now he plays another game and gives them $15 a month. So it is not the money. It is the way some of us feel about the direction the game has taken with the store and F2P which most people admit costs them a hec of a lot more a month then their monthly sub used to.

I know some of you are thinking... this is all well and nice, but is there a point to your story ?? Or is this your attempt at the shaggy dog saga. Bare with me. There is a point. So let me babble a little longer then I'll get to the point.

Anyway the $99 for a year sub came out shortly after the relic removal scroll and I while I had all but quit over the relic removal scroll I was on a three month sub and just playing till it ran out, I bit on the $99 for a year. I thought. Heck, just buy a year then ignore the store and ignore the fact you are getting ripped off as a monthly sub payer. I thought with a one year sub I could push all the monetary bull from my mind. I even tried to convince my doctor friend to do the same, and he almost did. He said he had already had that same thought before I suggested it and said he would give it another thought. But instead he just got fed up and left.

Now like a lot of other people I got curious how well the F2P model worked for someone just coming to the game. So I started a free to play account to see if one really could play for free, and guess what? One can pretty nearly play this game for free. I leveled my main on that account to 60 without ever spending one dime on him. Still had the 2 gold cap. Still had the 3 bag limit. Had bought riding with in game earned TP and bought North downs, everswim and eregion with the same.

At this point I was enjoying having a cappy on a second account to tag along with my toons on my VIP accounts so I reasoned I'd buy a boxed version of Moria, get one month free, get moria quests, get the two extra toon slots and RK and warden which I'll never use and 500 tp and open all my bags and virtues. Pretty dang sweet and had the bonus (at least I'm pretty sure) that Turbine did not see a penny of the $24 dollars I spent on it. After this I did want to hit RoI with him and dang if it was not on sale for $14.95.

My free month that came with moria is up but I managed to knock out all of the Big river area, Loth, and forechele during that month so got the rep and deeds and virtues done so don't need them anymore. Bought mirkwood with in game earned TP.

So now I have this account that I have maintained my monthly VIP sub on and have spent roughly $450 dollars on plus or minus and who's 1 year sub is running out. (oops that $450 is just the sub cost not including Xpacs) So to continue to play him I need spend another $100. Contrast that with my F2P account which I have spent a total of $39 dollars on and less then $15 of that going to Turbine and you know what. The F2P account has the same access, all of RoI moria and mirkwood and all their skirms and instances. Why am I going to spend $100 to keep my sub.

Because I want to. I want to be VIP, and $100 really is not much. But I would LOVE to see a package from Turbine aimed at people like me that said to me - "We appreciate that you wish to pay us $15 a month for what little benefit you derive from it. We understand that a big reason you do it is because you wish to not have our money grubbing ways jammed down your throat.

So here is a package designed just for you.
You get the 6th bag slot,
you get 12 months of VIP
You get RoR with the 4th legendary crystal or the mount and cosmetics your choice
You get access to the special quests et
And you get all this for one low price of
$130. Actually anywhere between $125 - $140 seems right to me

I see a package like this and I'd snap it up. I may still feel that it would be cheaper for me to go premium. But Turbine at least appreciates my business and is giving a package to me and the people like me.

This was a summary....I thought I was reading War and Peace....:P

This post was so long that I didn't even read it, just looked for the summary which wasn't there.

I'm a lifer (from day one) and retired on fixed income. Turbine has to make money for the game to continue, so why does everybody want EVERYTHING for free. I bought Rohan Legendary on the first day available, because it was the best value for me.

a package that says YES to me would be Alexander Skarsgård half naked wearing a Rohan Green bowtie presenting me with a boxed edition of the game .... i just thought i would let you know.

The fact that I can't get the sixth bag unless I spend $70 is, honestly, the single lamest thing so far from Turbine since F2P.

Or rather it was until they decided to only invite beta testers for Rohan if they pre purchase the game by a certain date.

I've tested every major expansion since the game started, including the start of the game, until now.

Nothing agaisnt Turbine per'se, it's kind of the way of the industry now, but you're losing me as a paying player, and for too many reasons to get into here, but it's mostly due to the store and locking things down in instances.

At least Turbine let me have as many slots on one account as there are classes, once they did that I dropped my second paid account. I've bought every expansion, been paying monthly for five years. I paid for the game AND I pay a monthly fee. I'm done paying more. I've never bought a point bundle and never will.

Wait, have to back up on the lamest aspect so far, that has to be the removal of destiny points. Although, if I wait a few minutes, I'll probably think of something else.

I'm not going anywhere soon, but I'm getting pushed farther and farther, and I'm not alone. Turbine might want to keep that in mind.

Originally Posted by Marswarlord

This post was so long that I didn't even read it, just looked for the summary which wasn't there.

I'm a lifer (from day one) and retired on fixed income. Turbine has to make money for the game to continue, so why does everybody want EVERYTHING for free. I bought Rohan Legendary on the first day available, because it was the best value for me.

You probably should have bothered reading the post before trying to reply to it. The OP said he paid for the game, he;s a monthly subscriber. That means he PAYS for the game MONTHLY. He doesn't expect anything for free. That was one of the first things he said in his post, so I don't know how far you bothered to read.

I wonder how a privately owned corporation dares to be about money. Seriously. I've never heard of such an outrageous thing! They should stop focusing on making money and just go bankrupt. The government can bail them out. That's what the tax payer is there for, right?

The 6th bag will likely pop up on the store after launch. The idea behind the pre-order pack is, as the pack states, get the stuff now, before RoR launches.

Everything else... ok, since when are expansion packs not extra costs? Even for subscribers? Every single expansion pack of every mmo I've ever played cost extra. That's how it goes. Development is expensive and I have no issues with paying extra for it if I want it.

See, that's the funny thing about a free market. You have a choice. I know, utterly outrageous.

Originally Posted by Takekaze

I wonder how a privately owned corporation dares to be about money. Seriously. I've never heard of such an outrageous thing! They should stop focusing on making money and just go bankrupt. The government can bail them out. That's what the tax payer is there for, right?

The 6th bag will likely pop up on the store after launch. The idea behind the pre-order pack is, as the pack states, get the stuff now, before RoR launches.

Everything else... ok, since when are expansion packs not extra costs? Even for subscribers? Every single expansion pack of every mmo I've ever played cost extra. That's how it goes. Development is expensive and I have no issues with paying extra for it if I want it.

See, that's the funny thing about a free market. You have a choice. I know, utterly outrageous.

What part of I paid full price for the game all the expansions AND pay a monthly fee to play the game do you not understand?

Yes, how dare I think I deserve something I'm already paying for.

let me know when you find that package as I want one to...

I have 2 accounts that USED TO BE VIP...

now they are premium and I am very happy with that as I only have 2 max level toons that I play and there really is no reason to shell out RWD for VIP... Not rich here... but I could if I had a reason come up with the money... there is just no value... too bad...

If I went off just the title of this thread I would have to agree. It does feel like the VIP status could be changed to something like 'member' as the Very Important part of VIP seems to have diminished to the point of not really having any tangible benefits (as has been stated by others in this very thread).

Sitting on the fence

Originally Posted by opus512

What part of I paid full price for the game all the expansions AND pay a monthly fee to play the game do you not understand?

Yes, how dare I think I deserve something I'm already paying for.

IF
YOU
THINK
YOU'RE
GETTING
RIPPED OFF
JUST STOP PAYING

simple

Originally Posted by opus512

The fact that I can't get the sixth bag unless I spend $70 is, honestly, the single lamest thing so far from Turbine since F2P.

Or rather it was until they decided to only invite beta testers for Rohan if they pre purchase the game by a certain date.

I've tested every major expansion since the game started, including the start of the game, until now.

Nothing agaisnt Turbine per'se, it's kind of the way of the industry now, but you're losing me as a paying player, and for too many reasons to get into here, but it's mostly due to the store and locking things down in instances.

At least Turbine let me have as many slots on one account as there are classes, once they did that I dropped my second paid account. I've bought every expansion, been paying monthly for five years. I paid for the game AND I pay a monthly fee. I'm done paying more. I've never bought a point bundle and never will.

Wait, have to back up on the lamest aspect so far, that has to be the removal of destiny points. Although, if I wait a few minutes, I'll probably think of something else.

I'm not going anywhere soon, but I'm getting pushed farther and farther, and I'm not alone. Turbine might want to keep that in mind.

You can get the bag on launch Sept. 5th for 995 tps in store account wide.

Originally Posted by Roberto_the_First

You keep using that word - I do not think it means what you think it means!

Probably he means no harm.

Originally Posted by tharkun3

So here is a package designed just for you.
You get the 6th bag slot,
you get 12 months of VIP
You get RoR with the 4th legendary crystal or the mount and cosmetics your choice
You get access to the special quests et
And you get all this for one low price of
$130. Actually anywhere between $125 - $140 seems right to me

They still do 1 year of VIP for $99 sometimes. Then you can pay $40 for the base Rohan version and buy the 6th bag and crystal with all those TP you have lying around. There you go, the package you want in the price range you want.

Personally I'm a premium who's paid about $80 total so far for the entire game. Went VIP for a month to unlock my traits and such. All quest packs and expansions except Rohan, for which I will wait until it goes on 50% off sale on Boxing Day or whenever. So, I agree with you that there's really no reason to be VIP unless you're doing PvMP. I'm not sure why you're keeping your VIP when you admit that there's no reason to do so. Go ahead and drop it and join me and the others in the land of premiums.

Originally Posted by Eartholloth

You can get the bag on launch Sept. 5th for 995 tps in store account wide.

Wow, 1,000 TP for a 6th bag.

No thanks, lol.

Was bad enough paying that for the stupid wallet that should have been a basic function of the game, meh.

VIP are treated very very well already. There is nothing we need in the store. Anything we'd like to have did not exist before the store really (well, shared storage but that always required additional purchase). Relic removal did not exist before the store and most certainly is not a requirement. You never have to decide which zone has the best dollar value for leveling up.

With 500TP a month you can get all that stuff anyway no VIP should ever have to complain that relic removal scrolls cost too much because you can get them only with your allowance. $10/month is a bargain! Many free players pay a lot more than that (I really don't know why though). With roughly 4 to 5 dollars of TP each month that's like paying only $6/month, assuming you don't boycott TP totally.

You will be able to offset a huge amount of the expansion cost just with TP (assuming patience to wait until it's in store instead of buying pre-order today just so that the price can be complained about). The 6th bag is only 2 months worth of TP; and if you're a long term subscriber if you don't have this much TP as petty cash then you're buying way too many celebrity horses!

If you do the calculations and decide that Premium is a better deal than subscribing, then it makes logical sense to unsubscribe and become Premium! Boycotting the store because of some idealistic view that all games must extort a monthly fee instead of being ala-carte then you're only hurting yourself.

Originally Posted by Lohi

VIP are treated very very well already. There is nothing we need in the store. Anything we'd like to have did not exist before the store really (well, shared storage but that always required additional purchase). Relic removal did not exist before the store and most certainly is not a requirement. You never have to decide which zone has the best dollar value for leveling up.

With 500TP a month you can get all that stuff anyway no VIP should ever have to complain that relic removal scrolls cost too much because you can get them only with your allowance. $10/month is a bargain! Many free players pay a lot more than that (I really don't know why though). With roughly 4 to 5 dollars of TP each month that's like paying only $6/month, assuming you don't boycott TP totally.

You will be able to offset a huge amount of the expansion cost just with TP (assuming patience to wait until it's in store instead of buying pre-order today just so that the price can be complained about). The 6th bag is only 2 months worth of TP; and if you're a long term subscriber if you don't have this much TP as petty cash then you're buying way too many celebrity horses!

If you do the calculations and decide that Premium is a better deal than subscribing, then it makes logical sense to unsubscribe and become Premium! Boycotting the store because of some idealistic view that all games must extort a monthly fee instead of being ala-carte then you're only hurting yourself.

[Emphasis mine]

Relic removal at any LI level didn't exist before the Store, but relic removal certainly did: at any reforge or at max level you could remove your relics. It was removed from the game and made a Store-only feature - you know this.

Originally Posted by Marswarlord

This post was so long that I didn't even read it, just looked for the summary which wasn't there.

I'm a lifer (from day one) and retired on fixed income. Turbine has to make money for the game to continue, so why does everybody want EVERYTHING for free. I bought Rohan Legendary on the first day available, because it was the best value for me.

You dont bother reading the OP before posting, and yet you expect people to read your post?

Hipocresy at its finest?

Originally Posted by Lestache

Relic removal at any LI level didn't exist before the Store, but relic removal certainly did: at any reforge or at max level you could remove your relics.

You only got relics back when you reforged, not on deconstruct. For a max level LI that had it's final reforge you didn't get relics back. This was really painful back then because it was very difficult to get high tier relics.

Today getting high tier relics is pretty easy. Losing them when I get a new weapon is just something I put up with. I don't have any of the special relics that existed before the big LI revamp and I don't meld relics very often. In any event generally you only need a relic removal scroll when switching to a new LI that you're going to keep a long time, which should not be that frequent. If you upgrade LIs every two levels then avoid slotting relics that you want to keep.

Originally Posted by Lohi

You only got relics back when you reforged, not on deconstruct. For a max level LI that had it's final reforge you didn't get relics back. This was really painful back then because it was very difficult to get high tier relics.

Today getting high tier relics is pretty easy. Losing them when I get a new weapon is just something I put up with. I don't have any of the special relics that existed before the big LI revamp and I don't meld relics very often. In any event generally you only need a relic removal scroll when switching to a new LI that you're going to keep a long time, which should not be that frequent. If you upgrade LIs every two levels then avoid slotting relics that you want to keep.

You also would get your relics back if the LI were maxed out, trust me. When I finally got a level 60 First Age, I deconned my Second Age and put the same three relics right back into the First Age.

They do seem to be throwing higher tier relics at us in chests now, though. However, I've pretty much checked out of the relic game on alts at this point, so I don't actually care anymore.

But that would require they actually care about VIPers or Customers in general.

I really do not believe they care anymore unless it involves getting your dollars.

I just wish they still had Lifetime subs available.... They pulled them in the SAME WEEK that I was going to finally break down and get one, even at the $299 price point.

Originally Posted by tharkun3

you get 12 months of VIP

that's $55 JUST for the tp... right there...

The rest of it is in the legendary edition for 70 bucks... so that's about right...
The thing ur forgetting however, is that the special areas will bump the price up considerably
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I hate these threads... the question you have to ask yourself before you start ranting is
>How much more can turbine give you and still make a profit so that they can still run this game?<
Or:
>What more do you reasonably want while the money you pay doesn't go up?<

Originally Posted by Lohi

You only got relics back when you reforged, not on deconstruct. For a max level LI that had it's final reforge you didn't get relics back. This was really painful back then because it was very difficult to get high tier relics.

As Lestache said, you're mis-remembering. Max level LIs gave back all relics upon deconstruction.

And back to the original point, I agree. The *only* benefit from me being VIP is that I get to be lazy.