So I'm pretty sure I have a solid tanking and buff rotation, but I'm not sure about masteries. I currently use masteries for EoB, Aggression, Fist-Spear to get half of SoV, SM and DoW. I recently rearranged them so I could do those, before I had masteries for just EoB and it was enough. But lately when I have ran into arrogant hunters with best raid gear and first agers and I have had problems with aggro. For single targets I run in with SoV(pre-built) then double SoV or EoB and then two Aggressions(battle memory), EoB is faster to build with masteries than SoV wich is important at the start. Anyway as I was saying I had some problems maintaining aggro with hunters that go all out in the beginning of the battle. I get initial aggro with the first SoV for few seconds then I lose it to that hunter until I pull double Aggression, after that I don't have problems. Anyway is that acceptable? Is that hunters fault or I'm just not good/fast enough, because I do have some lagg. Other than that I don't really have any problems holding threat, though I think I'm going to run into problems when I start more serious raiding. So far I've been running Foundry T2 and Isengard 3mans.
Just to add that I don't have a certain rotation that I always follow and usually go as what I feel is best, but it looks pretty much the same most of the time what other Wardens have posted in the forums. So speed should be my problem.
Anyway I'd really like to see what other Wardens hotbars look like and how do they use them. So could you post a picture of it and tell me a little about it? Thank you all in advance.
EoB generates more threat than SoV after the Threat-over-time period so, if you can, you are better off spamming EoB even on a single target. Apart from that, I see no problem with your aggro rotation.
Any aggressive hunter/champion can steal a target from you in the beginning of a fight if they are not careful. It's not really your fault. If they ever do it mid-fight, then you need to worry...
I like to use SoV for start as it gives decent amount of aggro immediately.
I didn't mind him much at first, but after he left the group our burg and LM were pretty mad at him not having done any threat management. Thanks, I feel a lot better, here I was blaming myself.
Anyway as I was saying I had some problems maintaining aggro with hunters that go all out in the beginning of the battle.
Hunters shouldn't be going all out at the very start of battle. Wardens have great threat - over time. Make your hunters understand how ToT works, or let them die.
As for the hotbar configuration for my warden, I use a mix between keys and mouse clicks.
I use masteries with the mouse - still haven't changed it to use the numpad, for instance. I'll eventually get there.
For now, I only use the basic builders with my keyboard.
I'm yet to understand how other wardens use the keypad, because I use wsad to move and the mouse to turn/attack. Any key that isn't near wsad messes my regular way to play.
Anyway, ckicking strategy appart, my hotbar looks something like this (no access to the game now):
I'm curious to find out if Wardens out there simply stop using their mouse when using the numpad, or stop using the wsad keys. I'll probably try with no mouse to see how it goes...
I also wonder how people keep num-lock on all the time - don't you auto-run?
Or is there any special way to set-up our numpad that works with and without num-lock on?
Edit: Deleted part of my silliness...
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This is how my hot-bar looks now (regarding masteries and gambit builders at least)
The same thread shows a few other options and how to set-up your numpad (silly and ignorant me).
Strangely enough, people seem to use both the 1-2-3 keys AND the numpad (both hands on keyboard I guess).
I'll have to give it a try - my right hand already deals with the masteries anyway, so...
Thanks and I don't get that numpad thing too, I like to keep my hand on the mouse.
Well I guess you could turn with wsad, but it's little slow and some times you need to keep looking around fast wich is better with mouse. Though now that I think I don't really use my mouse that much in fights...
Btw you can stop auto running by pressing w or s, so keeping num lock on isn't a issue, but you could just change the shortcut.
Here's mine. I do all with my left hand and I have pretty short fingers, but I'm capable to reach everything I need this way, making sure no off-cd main mastery is wasted, I'd only click on the stances and consumables. I'd rather not move my right hand off the mouse.
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This is my layout. I have all my builders and masteries in a block over at the left, and depending on whether I'm going toe-to-toe or kiting I'll build using the left hand and mouse, or just the left hand with ctrl-shift-alt keys. Execute gambit is mapped to use "E" and battle memory to a key that I have set as "A" (which on Loremaster/Captain is also pet attack, and on pretty much everyone else is a /follow macro, so I'm used to using it). Remove-one-builder is "X" and I can't remember ever using remove-all-builders so I've never given it any special mapping.
I guess I'm wasting valuable space keeping those javelin skills there, as I rarely use them except JoDF and I could move them away.
Originally Posted by MistressMagpye
This is my layout. I have all my builders and masteries in a block over at the left, and depending on whether I'm going toe-to-toe or kiting I'll build using the left hand and mouse, or just the left hand with ctrl-shift-alt keys. Execute gambit is mapped to use "E" and battle memory to a key that I have set as "A" (which on Loremaster/Captain is also pet attack, and on pretty much everyone else is a /follow macro, so I'm used to using it). Remove-one-builder is "X" and I can't remember ever using remove-all-builders so I've never given it any special mapping.
What do you use to move, I guess you are not using wasd as you have A binded.
My current setup, a bit cluttered compared to some others I've seen in this thread, but it works for me. You can see some of my masteries are on there twice -- the ones in the second row from the top are for easy click-through building of EoB and Conviction on the run, separated by my battle prep button. I keep some ports on my bars, leave the rest off, depending on how often I use them.
I keep a stack of vendor rations handy for out of combat power regen, and my travel rations are next to them because if I can't see how many I have left I'm liable to run out.
I use a combination of keyboard and clicking, generally use keyboard for basic builders, mouse for masteries, or click everything if I'm kiting or otherwise on the move.
Main bar with Sp, Sh, Fi, Default; then javelin skills. Everything else is laid out in an easy sense for myself. All of my toons keep potions on the same spots on their bars so I know where they are. I use Baruk for the right 2 buttons there. The "default gambit" icon is for my ports. The goat (or whichever I had last selected) is for my mounts. And of course a /fishslap just in case I need it.
My masteries:
Sh+Sp Sh+Fi
Sp+Sh Sp+Fi
Fi+Sp Fi+Sh
I use my left hand for masteries most of the time except for the doubles. I have "Cvtn" there as a hoverable baruk bar to do a masteried Conviction on the run. My middle mouse button is mapped to Sp-Sh for a quick Boot. All of my toons' interrupts are mapped to that button actually.
Originally Posted by Lucanthanas
I also wonder how people keep num-lock on all the time - don't you auto-run?
Though I don't use my numpad for masteries/hotkeys, I remapped my auto-run to Home since it wasn't being used for anything else. I'm CDO enough and want to keep my NumLock on at all times.
What do you use to move, I guess you are not using wasd as you have A binded.
I usually use my mouse to move; been mousing to move since the days of Quake. Only times I use keyboard to run is if I'm playing a long game that doesn't have an auto-run mode, since my hand starts to cramp up after a few hours otherwise (Dragon Age games, I'm looking at you...)
That why I change how I'm building masteries based on whether I'm standing still or kiting; easier to build with both my left hand and mouse-clicking, but for kiting my mouse-hand is busy with running and can't be clicking masteries.
Some times I wish I had a Nostromo controller or similar, could bind the masteries in a nice array to that.
I've seen that, but could you tell us how are you using it? You never pick up your mouse in combat and do everything with your keyboard?
Thank you for all of your pictures, they are helping me a lot.
I use a Kensington Trackball, which is one of those giant trackball type of mice. The ball itself is the size of a pool ball, so it is very easy to move your hand on and off it, unlike a mouse which will jump a bit everytime you put your hand on it. But I find I don't need the mouse a lot during combat so I swap between the numpad and the mouse.
I play on both a laptop and a desktop. On the desktop I have a Logitech G13 to help with some quick macros. On the laptop, I carry around a small USB numpad! That's how important this layout is for me. I couldn't warden without the numpad.
Movement: WASD is king, I will use keyboard or G13 for this Gambits: Numpad has the mouse beat for speed and muscle memory, I also keep a number of quick combos on my G13. Things like SG/CoS for healing/buffs, two different double EOB for threat (one for Fi[SpSh][FiSh] and one for [FiSp][ShFi]Sp), and a SoD/DoW combo for buffs. Enemy selection: Tab and Backspace. I also keep use a little joystick on my G13 that targets like this: Up->next, down->previous, -left->nearest, down->loot nearest npc Rare skills/pots: I go back to the mouse, or use a keyboard shortcut.
Letting go of the mouse actually frees up that right hand to execute much more quickly. I do the same thing on my minstrel now as well, with a numpad mapping that helps build up anthems.
I use a Kensington Trackball, which is one of those giant trackball type of mice. The ball itself is the size of a pool ball, so it is very easy to move your hand on and off it, unlike a mouse which will jump a bit everytime you put your hand on it. But I find I don't need the mouse a lot during combat so I swap between the numpad and the mouse.
I play on both a laptop and a desktop. On the desktop I have a Logitech G13 to help with some quick macros. On the laptop, I carry around a small USB numpad! That's how important this layout is for me. I couldn't warden without the numpad.
Movement: WASD is king, I will use keyboard or G13 for this Gambits: Numpad has the mouse beat for speed and muscle memory, I also keep a number of quick combos on my G13. Things like SG/CoS for healing/buffs, two different double EOB for threat (one for Fi[SpSh][FiSh] and one for [FiSp][ShFi]Sp), and a SoD/DoW combo for buffs. Enemy selection: Tab and Backspace. I also keep use a little joystick on my G13 that targets like this: Up->next, down->previous, -left->nearest, down->loot nearest npc Rare skills/pots: I go back to the mouse, or use a keyboard shortcut.
Letting go of the mouse actually frees up that right hand to execute much more quickly. I do the same thing on my minstrel now as well, with a numpad mapping that helps build up anthems.
--Harper
That's very interesting setup and I really I have to think wich way to go. I've tried using only mouse to move around, but I didn't feel very comfortable and to do that for hours while raiding.
Haven't had a lot of time to play around with my hotbar lately, my time has mostly been spent in instances, while getting my aggro rotation off fast enough isn't a problem, I think I need to work more on getting my buff rotation off faster.
I guess I'm wasting valuable space keeping those javelin skills there, as I rarely use them except JoDF and I could move them away.
What you're wasting is the DPS you could be achieving by using your Javelin skills. JT, even if it doesnt fully tick, is our best DPS skill, and the others are all up among the highest we have as well. If you're just after pure spike damage, you'll want to be tossing your Javelins on cooldown...and the rest of the time, use them to wait out Disarms or Silences that are blocking your gambit building, or to pad out a rotation if you use up all your masteries in less than 15 seconds.
You also should use a Javelin skill right before you do a double-mastery for BM immediately after completing another gambit - if you dont, you're wasting half a second waiting for your Fire Gambit button to cool down. Ie, 1[23]14 MB, [22], JT, 4, [12][31]24 US, BM US
This is my current setup. I use my mouse's three side buttons (it's a Logitech G500) instead of Shift, Ctrl and Alt - this way I don't need to move my left hand around too much and I can easily build gambits using masteries while kiting. TonicBars and BuffBars helped me unclutter the main bars.
My biggest thing is that I move my mouse to the left side. I go into window's Control Panel, Mouse and click the Change Primary and Secondary Mouse buttons. It DOES take getting used to. My bro. the left handed accountant gave me that idea. Next, I moved the spear, shield, fist and default icons to the main row. Now, I drive with my right hand and gambit with my left. I can switch the left hand from the keyboard to the mouse if I need to. When I get masteries, i'll have them on the Control line and use use my right thumb to press the Control Key - or I can use the mouse. I used to have the icons on the Control line and could drive and press the Control key at the same time and gambit with my left hand but I moved them down to the main row. Smokin'...
I have javelin toss and ambush on 5 and 6 followed by other attacks. Throw Stone to break out of battle is on =. You know what Alt Tab does... (Check out Alt Enter.) I use Alt 1, 2, 3 to change stances. And, of course, Fishing on Control =.
Movement: WASD is king Gambits: Numpad has the mouse beat for speed and muscle memory, I also keep a number of quick combos on my G13. Things like SG/CoS for healing/buffs, two different double EOB for threat (one for Fi[SpSh][FiSh] and one for [FiSp][ShFi]Sp), and a SoD/DoW combo for buffs. Enemy selection: Tab and Backspace. I also keep use a little joystick on my G13 that targets like this: Up->next, down->previous, -left->nearest, down->loot nearest npc Rare skills/pots: I go back to the mouse, or use a keyboard shortcut.
Letting go of the mouse actually frees up that right hand to execute much more quickly. I do the same thing on my minstrel now as well, with a numpad mapping that helps build up anthems.
--Harper
This , also using numpad will also reduce RSI chances & cramping in hand from constant clicking.
My numpad configuration is slighty different, I have all 3 double masteries, Battle memory and Quick Recovery on numpad , javelin skills are 6,7,8,9 etc above qwerty keys. This allows me to move with wasd , and kite tank if required - ie building conviction just from the numpad using masteries.
Like Harper , I now have keybinds to numpad for Minstrel and RuneKeeper
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