So I logged in for the first time today in 4 months.
And I was reminded instantly why I cancelled my sub.
Had enough rep/mats to finish the last level of scholar guild 45k/45k....TP store to unlock.
I didn't even look at anything else, not worth it.
I played this game for about three or four years before the TP store, I have many 65's, hate to see what it has become.
This is extremely unfortunate.
Flame/troll/rage me to your hearts desire. I used to love this game, thought I'd get back into it, but the same mechanics remain that convinced me to quit in the first place.
In any case, if you enjoy this game...even if you're an old player like me (pre TP store) or a new one, I'm happy for you. It's just not the game it once was.
And I was reminded instantly why I cancelled my sub.
Had enough rep/mats to finish the last level of scholar guild 45k/45k....TP store to unlock.
I agree that the game has become tarnished ever since the inclusion of the store...
But per the above, this makes no sense. When you're subbed you're not required to unlock crafting guild rep tiers with TP. That's one of the few 'perks' with VIP.
The only reason why the guild rep requires TP is because you canceled. Just saying.
Could you please clarify? As far as I know, you do NOT have to use the store for anything, if you don't wish to. I was mostly gone for a year, and anything I bought through the store was completely optional. Items to make leveling crafts faster, but are not necessary. Pretty much everything I've bought is cosmetic and my choice.
NM, i didn't notice that you had cancelled your subscription. That would explain a lot.
And I was reminded instantly why I cancelled my sub.
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Flame/troll/rage me to your hearts desire. I used to love this game, thought I'd get back into it, but the same mechanics remain that convinced me to quit in the first place.
In any case, if you enjoy this game...even if you're an old player like me (pre TP store) or a new one, I'm happy for you. It's just not the game it once was.
Okay, so you want what exactly with this pronouncement?
That Turbine clutches their collective corporate pearls and take the game back to some arbitrary point?
Stating the blindingly obvious that the game has changed isn't very compelling.
The "I'm happy for you" in the context used is a bit condescending.
I hope your statement has been an effective catharsis and you find an alternative entertainment venue that meets your requirements.
This is the opposite of my problem. I'd pay a lot to play a good game right now. The problem is that what LOTRO has become over the last two years is so much less that what it was over the first 3 years of play.
The game play has been made so easy that it is no longer challenging outside a few specific instances on tier 2. I'd re-subscribe in a minute if I thought the challenges the game presented made it worthwhile to do so. I'd buy stuff out of the store if I thought the challenges presented made it worthwhile to do so.
The problem is that for a well-geared veteran player the game just presents no real challenges at this point and that will be true when Riders of Rohan releases also. The grind to 85 will take people a week or two to accomplish and then the game will rapidly devolve into what it is now, which is manifestly non-entertaining if you are a veteran player.
Turbine is relying on new players maintaining interest in the game after they learn it and gear up and really I think that's not going to happen. I think we're going to get a major population crash in the near future and LOTRO will be back on life support again. That's because once you've leveled to endgame there's no real challenge there.
Being condescending was not my point at all. I used to play the hell out of this game, it is just frustrating to see what is has become.
If you enjoy it, great! That is wonderful, please continue to do so.
It's just not the game I used to play anymore. I have nothing more to say on the subject.
Perhaps I'll check in in another 6 months.
Again, not trying to troll. I used to freaking LOVE this game. I Just despise what it has become...and logging on today reminded why I quit.
You used to pay a monthly subscription, for which you were granted access to the features of the game. You no longer pay any money to play so you now have only limited access to the features of the game and a choice to pay a different way to access the features you want individually.
What you seem to be upset about is that you now pay nothing and want everything you had before. That is only possible if you either re-sub or buy through the store.
And I was reminded instantly why I cancelled my sub.
Flame/troll/rage me to your hearts desire. I used to love this game, thought I'd get back into it, but the same mechanics remain that convinced me to quit in the first place.
In any case, if you enjoy this game...even if you're an old player like me (pre TP store) or a new one, I'm happy for you. It's just not the game it once was.
I totally feel for you. I have been playing for a while and agree that the store has taken away from what this game was.
And yet another person who feels like they have to point this out. Let people say what they want. They experience the game differently than you do and therefore have a different view that should be respected.
I'm not going to beat up on anyone because I know exactly how the OP feels.
There is another MMO that I played almost religiously since 2005 and then one day a few months ago, almost out of the blue, the bond was broken; the immersion factor null and void; playability for me zero. Characters that I previously loved suddenly I could no longer stand to take out into the environment.
However, my return to LoTRO was like finding a lost friend. Maybe I'm just nutz, but with this game I have the mental capacity to just ignore the things I don't like (the store being #1 in that regards) and immerse myself into the things I do like (the world; lore and my Wardens). All else doesn't exist and therefore doesn't bother me. But, for some unknown reason, I cannot use those same mental tricks with that previous game and return to enjoying it.
My sympathies for you, OP. I hope you find something you can truly enjoy and immerse yourself into. So sorry it isn't LoTRO but I do understand your feelings.
I feel the same way. I log into my characters and ask why am I playing this game. I can faceroll the new stuff except ToO with my vile maw gear. There has been no really good gear progression since Moria. I havent really played in about a year maybe longer because why bother. That and being slammed with store ads even tho I am a VIP.
And I was reminded instantly why I cancelled my sub.
Had enough rep/mats to finish the last level of scholar guild 45k/45k....TP store to unlock.
I didn't even look at anything else, not worth it.
I played this game for about three or four years before the TP store, I have many 65's, hate to see what it has become.
This is extremely unfortunate.
Flame/troll/rage me to your hearts desire. I used to love this game, thought I'd get back into it, but the same mechanics remain that convinced me to quit in the first place.
In any case, if you enjoy this game...even if you're an old player like me (pre TP store) or a new one, I'm happy for you. It's just not the game it once was.
So, in other words, this game has gotten worse and not better as time as progressed?
See, to me, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Hey, you are entitled to your opinion, but please spare us "the game sucks now" nonsense...that is absurd and ridiculous! The game is better than it has ever been...this is not debatable...is it, really? Maybe only for the disgruntle with an agenda.
You "lifers" and old veteran players will NEVER be happy, let's face the facts here. You're upset that the game went f2p and they added a "store" and the game is gaining popularity ever since. I know, it sucks for you guys, but it's great for people like me who would have never tried this game if it wasn't for f2p. ;o)
Hey, there's always GW2 and all these other MMO games that have come out recently if you're not happy with this game...just sayin' ;o)
So, in other words, this game has gotten worse and not better as time as progressed?
See, to me, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Hey, you are entitled to your opinion, but please spare us "the game sucks now" nonsense...that is absurd and ridiculous! The game is better than it has ever been...this is not debatable...is it, really? Maybe only for the disgruntle with an agenda....
Which agenda would that be? When they broke wardens (and this was admitted by the class dev) for RoI, and the class remained unfixed for six months? There are still a lot of bugs and the tooltips aren't displaying the correct skills, but they hope to have that sorted by the time Rohan comes out.
The people who paid money for the Draigoch raid, and yet it's still bugging out consistently? It was supposed to be a free update with Enedwaith, just in case you don't know.
The people hung up in quests they can't complete because the phasing tech has been bugged for the past eight or nine months, nor can they progress because the questing is linear?
The folks who bought Great River with points, but couldn't quest or deed there for two months because of a bug? The people who can't log in certain toons now? Those of us who can't do instances and get frequent disconnects from the server because of the pervasive lag since update 6? People who don't enjoy the blatant in-game-world advertising of the glittering apparel dummies?
Those kinds of agendas?
What makes the game better now than it was before? I'm genuinely curious. I know Turbine's never been the best at coding, but I've never seen neglect on this scale before. And yet more advertising and store items are added by the week, whilst all those things that make the game downright unplayable or nearly so go neglected.
By the sounds of it, you approached your return to the game determined to hate it, and thats exactly what you succeeded in doing.
I started playing not long after the Free-To-Play version of the game rolled out in Europe (I did almost pre-purchase the game with a lifetime account back in the day, but a couple of people who's opinion I trusted said not to bother, its just the same as every other MMO out there - Which to be fair, it is/was), and the only times I've used the store, is to unlock content, be they guilds, quest packs/skirmishes/instances, inventory/storage or the riding skill. The rest I ignore. The fact I play/played four characters semi-actively and took another five/six through the opening stages of the game, means that I never lack TP for new content thats released - Though I do/will buy actual expansions for real money (Which is how it used to be in the 'good old days' before anyone grumbles about that).
I use the store not as a store, but a scoreboard - The amount of TP I've ammased is a harmless little extra that makes it look like my account is progressing - Similar I imagine to how some people see the amount of gold they've picked up, or Destiny Points, or Skirmish currency. It is an ingame currency I can, should I so choose, decide to trade in for in-game rewards.
Actually, I think that Turbine were far, far too generous in what you can get for free in the game. There are too many people like me who have absolutely no reason to invest any money (Beyond expansions) in the game as we already have everything we want/need... Though I will one day get around to subscribing in order to unlock Swift Travel and vitue slots... Oh yes... I shall...
I may not play as much as I used to, and yes, the game is far too easy, but as someone who would prefer to play the game as a single-player game anyway, and almost actively avoids grouping, I'm thoroughly enjoying myself.
Anyway, the point is, I'm sorry you no longer enjoy your time in Middle-Earth, but I do feel that you are allowing knee-jerk 'I don't like change' thinking influence you a great deal. Expecially as the store is so easily just put to one side and if not forgotten, then its presence ignored, like 'That guy at work who's always talking too loudly'.
As a lifer, I rarely use the store. I think the only time I have is to increase vault storage. As a result I have over 11,000 TPs unspent - which I will probably use to buy the RoR expansion. So, the store has had a minimal effect on me and, apart from getting a lot easier to level, the game hasn't really changed much. IMO.
You used to pay a monthly subscription, for which you were granted access to the features of the game. You no longer pay any money to play so you now have only limited access to the features of the game and a choice to pay a different way to access the features you want individually.
What you seem to be upset about is that you now pay nothing and want everything you had before. That is only possible if you either re-sub or buy through the store.
You are absolutely correct.
I think just seeing, "unlock with TP points" or whatever the hell it said just reminded me of the main reason I quit.
You're an old player. I guess the store doesn't bother you as much. Different way of looking through the same prism or something right?
Part of it is attitued. FTP brought its problems. The addition of the store brought its problems, the level cap raise brough its problems. content changes (broken or not) brought problems. No game out there is issue free, perhaps a few with less they we currently have but no game doesnt have problems. Part of the issue that LoTRO has in my personal opinion is the feeling that we players are for the most part Mushrooms they keep us in the dark and feed us stuff. communication is a absolute must for good relations with people and its kind of lacking here.
The store has its issues, it does tend to lend to the table the feeling that its pay to win more then the old sub based system did.
As a Retired US Navy gal i have a learned response to a lot of the problems the game has, All things pass eventually, so be patient and some things will get better and some things worse. thing is if you arent enjoying the game then step away for a bit , its far to easy to get jaded or burnt out. Come and play and enjoy your time here
From your post the main problem seems to be the store?
If so I would not bother coming back in 6 months, the store is not going anywhere. Turbine will put everything they can get away with in the store.
If Turbine gets to the point that I can't stand it, I will leave. Until then I will play and occasionally pay as long as I am having fun.
But really if your (not just talking to the op here) problem is the store and what is in the store, that ship has sailed. O sometimes Turbine says they have changed things to make store items easier to get ingame but the default will be 'game mechanics that push you to the store' as much as possible as that is where the money is.
The sad part is I don't think they needed to fall into that trap. LOTRO is the perfect game to have made a fortune in store sales with cosmetic items. Outfits, mount skins, housing upgrades, weapon skins and others I can't even remember in my current 'just woke up' state.
Best way to go with the guilds if you want to play as a premium most of the time with content unlocked:
1. Make all your rep pieces, lots of them. You can do this even when not high in the guild. DO NOT use them!
2. When you have more than enough, subscribe for one month. This will also unlock the gold cap, virtue cap and quick travel for any characters you did not log in while subbed before.
3. "Turn in" all your guild rep pieces while subbed. Get to max with guild, this will stay when you go back to premium.
I have a lifer account which has no limitations, but also have two primary premium accounts. I will be doing this with all my crafters on the premium accounts. Takes time, but you would need the same time to make the rep pieces either way.
Also, you may want to wait until Rohan comes out before subbing again anyway, as they may add another guild level.
You "lifers" and old veteran players will NEVER be happy, let's face the facts here. You're upset that the game went f2p and they added a "store" and the game is gaining popularity ever since. I know, it sucks for you guys, but it's great for people like me who would have never tried this game if it wasn't for f2p. ;o)
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I know what you mean, but I have to say that I am a lifer and a veteran and I am very happy here. I think the game is better than it was before. And there were bugs during Shadows of Angmar.
And I'm happy that we have F2P. Before F2P my stuff never moved in the AH, now it flies off the virtual shelves. People may call me a fanboy but the fact is, I participate in a forum of a game that I love and play.
As for as the store and F2P, if the store was not here and the game was not F2P, the OP would not be able to log in at all.
I love seeing all the new faces in the game. Vet players talk about how uncouth and rude the F2P players are, but I don't see that from the F2P players in my kin. The truly obnoxious players are long gone, gone before the game went F2P.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
Why do people find it necessary to post that they're quitting the game? We don't care just go away and let the rest of us enjoy our sojourn in Middle-earth
Why do people find it necessary to post that they're quitting the game? We don't care just go away and let the rest of us enjoy our sojourn in Middle-earth
I don't mind "I'm quitting" threads per se, but only if they are somewhat constructive and provide more feedback than this one, which has essentially amounted to "I saw a button that said 'Store this Way!' so I am quitting"
Curiously, the evolution of the internet seems inversely proportional to the evolution of man.
You used to pay a monthly subscription, for which you were granted access to the features of the game. You no longer pay any money to play so you now have only limited access to the features of the game and a choice to pay a different way to access the features you want individually.
What you seem to be upset about is that you now pay nothing and want everything you had before. That is only possible if you either re-sub or buy through the store.
Exactly right. I know it shouldn't but it really does annoy me that the OP expects to come back to an MMO and doesn't take out a sub but doesn't understand that the store is a second way of doing something. Turbine get a lot of flak on this forum, some of it justified but IMHO not this time. As others have said you either pay a sub like before or pay in store, simples. At least with free to play you can do 80% of what you used to, but for free. Now that is good gravy.
PJ
I founded the company of public toilets that you can read an online encyclopaedia whilst you are on it, but had to abort the project as all the domain names for Wikileaks had been taken. /Doh ;-p
I played this game for about three or four years before the TP store, I have many 65's, hate to see what it has become.
This is extremely unfortunate.
Flame/troll/rage me to your hearts desire. I used to love this game, thought I'd get back into it, but the same mechanics remain that convinced me to quit in the first place.
I'm not going to flame, troll or rage, just wonder why you were happy to pay $15/month to play before, and yet you're so angry now that if you're not paying $15/month, there's a one-off fee of a few bucks to unlock a crafting guild?
It sounds like your problem is actually nothing to do with the pricing model, but rather the fact that you don't actually enjoy the game any more ("..the same mechanics remain that convinced me to quit in the first place").
Given that even subscription MMORPGs are pretty much the cheapest form of entertainment you can find, it's much more important that you find a game that you enjoy spending your limited leisure time on, than one which you don't, but is a few bucks cheaper. If that game isn't LOTRO for you, you should probably just move on and not try to rationalize with silly complaints about it costing money to play.
What part of I haven't played in over a year did I not make clear?
If you haven't played in over a year, how do you have a level 75 toon? How do you know you can faceroll content with Moria gear? I daresay I could use level 50 gear and faceroll everything up to Enedwaith. Little has changed in that regard.
As for the OP, don't bother coming back in 6 months since little will have changed in regards to the store (which seems to be the reason you left). If you get a sub, btw, you can craft to your heart's content without having to worry about spending TP. In fact, as a VIP you don't have to deal with the store at all (beyond relic removal scrolls which is covered by 500TP/month - and even THOSE scrolls are optional). I suspect the mere existance of the store bothers you (and many others I think), even though you don't have to use it to play as a VIP in the least.
And yet another person who feels like they have to point this out. Let people say what they want. They experience the game differently than you do and therefore have a different view that should be respected.
Respect is earned, and it is bi-directional.
When one goes into a billiards parlor and begins loudly denigrating the game of nine-ball (which everyone in the parlor is playing) because they prefer the more elegant game of straight pool, well, one should expect to be introduced to some of the more varied uses of a pool cue.
And as far as I can see, the difference between pre-F2P and post-F2P LOTRO is about as vast as the difference between straight pool and nine-ball. (That's not much at all, for those who may not be familiar with cue sports)
I know, I said I quit, so why am I posting? 'Cause there ain't no Blogorette patch.
When one goes into a billiards parlor and begins loudly denigrating the game of nine-ball (which everyone in the parlor is playing) because they prefer the more elegant game of straight pool, well, one should expect to be introduced to some of the more varied uses of a pool cue.
And as far as I can see, the difference between pre-F2P and post-F2P LOTRO is about as vast as the difference between straight pool and nine-ball. (That's not much at all, for those who may not be familiar with cue sports)
This is a forum not a billiard parlor. If someone says something you don't like or agree with it is really easy to ignore them
Not to mention we are all here instead of actually playing the game
Exactly. I haven't played a lot the last week or so, been playing Fallout 3. Annnnnd today I bought Skyrim on Steam for half price. I've played it since last year on my 360 but man, that game looks good on a high end PC.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
I know what you mean, but I have to say that I am a lifer and a veteran and I am very happy here. I think the game is better than it was before. And there were bugs during Shadows of Angmar.
And I'm happy that we have F2P. Before F2P my stuff never moved in the AH, now it flies off the virtual shelves. People may call me a fanboy but the fact is, I participate in a forum of a game that I love and play.
As for as the store and F2P, if the store was not here and the game was not F2P, the OP would not be able to log in at all.
I love seeing all the new faces in the game. Vet players talk about how uncouth and rude the F2P players are, but I don't see that from the F2P players in my kin. The truly obnoxious players are long gone, gone before the game went F2P.
This post made my day. All I've heard on these forums as a new player is about how the game isn't what it used to be and that f2p destroyed it and, you know the drill. I'm glad to see someone positive for once.
I've been playing for 6-7 weeks now and have been enjoying the game immensly from day one.
All I have to say to the OP is: If you don't enjoy a game anymore, stop playing it, it's that simple. Find something new to play and have fun. The day I'm not enjoying this game anymore I will be sad, but I will also realize I have to move on to something else, not come here to make a post about how disappointed I am over it, you're just digging yourself deeper.
i made an account when this game launched and played like a few weeks. Sadly, back then there were so many new game coming out that i just moved on.
A month ago i found myself having nothing to play, Diablo 3 was a major disappointment, Tera is just too anime, The Secret World is a weird game so i figured, i have 2 months to burn til GW2 comes out.
I started as a f2p.. within a few days i became ViP, within a week i pre purchased RoR. Maybe im lucky cause im experiencing the game for the first time now and dont remember the "good ol days". But from what i see, a lot has changed in Lotro in the past 5 years and mostly for good.
Ive been gaming for over 12 years and this is the first game , after a month, my highest toon is 40 and i made about 9 different toons.
These days i just pray GW2 sucks so i can stay here.. (yes, i pre purchased that game before i knew i would love this one)
So TS had stopped pay for the game and saw something locked for non-vips and then falls to ragequit?
Lol?
Pretty much yes.
He logged for free (absolutely impossible prior F2P) and then found it's not all-free, so he decided to rage vent some on the forums...
Maybe the game changed. There is certainly no shortage of oldbies/exbies posting that it did and not for the better. Maybe you changed? More likely it is a combination of the two. I know that there are not that many things online from six years ago that I have the same enthusiasm for now that I did then. There is almost nothing that was around then that has not evolved almost beyond recognition.....if it stayed the course at all.
The thing is that however different it is now, however that affected YOUR game for good or ill there are many new players (myself included) that have just as much enthusiasm for the game as did those who played the beta and supported the game when it was young. If you can remember the first time you installed the game and had that 'oh wow' feeling then you understand that whatever changes the game has gone through, that it still does that for new players is a positive thing.
As long as new people like me (and I have met quite few inworld just like me, having a blast getting lost and seeing everything for the first time) are still joining, playing and spending then LotRO will survive. We have never known the game not to have a store, or stuff available to buy that was previously earned all all of the other 'hot button' issues many of you seem to have. What the game is now is our only experience.....and we still love it. That has to be a good thing because however much the game changed for you surely you would rather it continue than not..... even if it is not for you anymore?
That you say the game was so much better without those things is fine, but it makes no difference. If it was or was not matters little now because those days are gone and we as new players are never likely to experience them. The reality is that the new model for MMO's is f2p, micro payment based. Even if you hate f2p as a concept at least as it is you CAN keep popping back and checking if you can live with it at absolutely no cost to you other than your time.
Pretty much yes.
He logged for free (absolutely impossible prior F2P) and then found it's not all-free, so he decided to rage vent some on the forums...
+rep for truth..
Moreover it's so easy to just ignore the Store offers, I just clicked them quickly. Yes, "Guild progress" costs 295TP but you can earn that TPs just playing game in few days or wait for discount.
Store is ok (call it neccessary evil), there are 2 other things which I don't like about this game..
1.) boring LI grind (+ LI store P2W upgrades)
2.) apparel dummies - it's so awkard to see such advertisement ingame.. especially in places like savage Galtrev etc. (There are half-naked savages with painted skin and their hobby is to dress their dummies in woman or pirate clothes.. awkward)
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