What's ironic is that the moors is like the worst place for LtC. I have no idea why so many people run it there, besides that they want e-peen from KB's. Or they're solo'ing. I'll be happy to 1v1 any captain on my defiler, and outheal your dps.
how do your captains do 900 dps while not in red line? More like 400-500 bro.
And, no sorry. Unless your LMs trait red. But then - you're doing it wrong. Yellow is far better for a single LM raiding.
I'd challenge some of your other dps numbers but it doesn't change anything. You're right: The command set contributes more dps than traiting MoW. At least for those of you who are ViP and farmed up 30,000 commendations for the set (which is frankly one of the worst sets for pvp). For everyone else, it really has no merit. Also apparently it hasn't occurred to you that you can run MoW or 4r while wearing the command set, and while you won't get the dagor/pers. Bonuses you'll still be doing significantly more damage and receiving significantly more crit responses than you would in your rainbow setup.
Defiance is a terrible trait. First off in what raids is IHW actually required? I occasionally use it in lightning t2 and shadow t2. I never trait defiance, and I rarely ever die while using IHW. Almagnus said it right: Defiance is a crutch trait for captains that haven't learned how to use IHW without it. Often IHW is used in the final phase of a fight, and the group is either going to die when it expires, or you're going to kill the boss (Ivar comes to mind). Also, on the offchance you die while IHW is up... you can simply be res'd.
I do like BoN. But you can run 2b/5r or 3b/4r, and I often bring this along if I think I will want to use CoV. I'd much rather have R.O. But sometimes I'd rather be able to res reliably than have better healing.
Due to 3r giving you a significant -melee power costs buff, running with at least 3 reds is the best thing you can do for your power. MoW gives you the full BB benefit; I've solo'd limlight trees in this setup (with a 1h) and not had power issues. I don't see why I would have them in a raid.
Believe it or not LM's have better things to do than use a 20s channel to restore other people's power. BtW, in any given raid, if your captain is decent, he will restore far more power than a lore-master... Also healers always need help healing. If your healers don't need help, you brought too many.
TL;DR: Most traitlines are good, defiance is a crutch, lore-masters are people too. Command set is way better in PvE.
LtC is worst traitline in EM? Yeah if You have kind of DPS class to leech from.
As I said,numbers weren't exact,just wanted to point how big difference can be.
I trait defiance because healers can have more important targets than me (in shadow for example -80% inc healing debuff I think,yet tank must get heal)
I don't understand LM comment, I don't use red trait line so I don't have power problems at all.
Don't try to prove that the buff/heal standard of HoH trait line ( not the leg , i doubt many use it anymore ) is useless , or overrated and that dps approach can give you dps without sacrificing things , or sacrificing '100' HPS. It's simply not true,you do sacrifice a tone of stuff to get LtC.
When reading some of the replies here , i was like , ' W@$ ' . People claiming that captains don't haave to heal in ToO ???
That composure is meh ??? That idome is just 1.2% extra dps or something ? What about the other stats, do you even count them , or its all dps to you ? It looks more like an ''extra'' level to me at least.What is this ?
You sound like repressed captain users that got an invite for example 2 years ago in a watcher run , and got a dismiss in the head because you were red traited.
Some of the stuff you see here comes from many months of posting, debating, and data gathering. I'm sorry you missed all that but they/I were not just making stuff up. Best way to catch up is the cappy resource sticky. I've been trying to keep it all organized there.
Don't try to prove that the buff/heal standard of HoH trait line ( not the leg , i doubt many use it anymore ) is useless , or overrated and that dps approach can give you dps without sacrificing things , or sacrificing '100' HPS. It's simply not true,you do sacrifice a tone of stuff to get LtC.
When reading some of the replies here , i was like , ' W@$ ' . People claiming that captains don't haave to heal in ToO ???
That composure is meh ??? That idome is just 1.2% extra dps or something ? What about the other stats, do you even count them , or its all dps to you ? It looks more like an ''extra'' level to me at least.What is this ?
You sound like repressed captain users that got an invite for example 2 years ago in a watcher run , and got a dismiss in the head because you were red traited.
Yep mate,Composure is meh. In these days raid member will wait 6s with his death for additional RC IF 99,9% crit chance on DB/PA will work if not then meh,blame healer we are not healing class.
Man, the Captain community has really gone downhill. In addition to the original post--which looked like a polite request for information and turned into the OP digging in his heels and mocking whatever information he got as useless--we have a bunch of responders doing the same and just campaigning for their own build.
There are *many* ways to trait your Captain and be successful. For anything less than a raid, it doesn't matter at all. For raids, more depends on your playstyle, LIs, and your group's needs than any particular trait line.
Seems like people are just arguing to argue. We'll be the Hunter forum before you know it.
Work like no one is watching, dance like you don't need the money...
Not really. I use it as advantage because captains that tend to use red traits simply ignore this set to see their own big numbers and THIS is pathetic, to e-peen your parses and ignore needs of group. Anyway I found at least one captain and one that partialy agrees with me and it's all I need.
@Almagnus
Can't pick on me,pick on group huh? Nice try but won't work.
so if you say that, then you also could agree with
traiting precision is bad because a couple hunters that use precision also use bad armor sets
which doesn't really make sense. if your group needs no extra healing, trait 5 red, with to arms duration and 1 other. or 4 red 2 lom 1 hoh with FB/oath/idome
i see no place where i am sacrificing buffs and my group is still perfectly fine with mini anthems rolling and everyone healed up
Originally Posted by Armitas
I do both depending on what we need. I just thought that would best represent a reason to go red over blues. I have a total of 5 empty slots in my bags, I use those slots to hold my tears over how much junk I have to carry around.
lol i hear you i have 2-3 empty usually it sucks
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Not really. I use it as advantage because captains that tend to use red traits simply ignore this set to see their own big numbers and THIS is pathetic, to e-peen your parses and ignore needs of group.
You're talking about fail players, really fail players, which is just more straw grasping. Provided someone has access to Moors. and provided they have the time to acquire the commendations, and provided they did, why in the world would someone "only interested in their own big numbers" not use a set which adds 10% to their overall damage? Also, like its been said, not everyone has access to the Moors and not everyone has a vested interest in the place. I can't imagine anyone ever looking down upon any class because they don't have a Moors set.
If we had more encounters like Saruman and F&F (without the insane difficulty that is), I'd agree with you.
Since most of the bosses in ToO are DPS races - it plays to LtC's strengths way too well.
We need more raids like OD and less like ToO.
Most?
Saruman isn't. Lightning isn't, Acid doesn't have to be. F&F challenge *is*, but probably not intended to be.
That leaves Shadow.
2 T2 challenge modes out of 5 and 1 T2 non-challenges out of 5, if you count Shadow, require a DPS race.
"Most" would be 3/5.
I may trait 5 red in specific instances, like the zerg strats for Acid and F&F T2C, or Shadow T2C, but it's not as if it's the best setup for a majority of content.
Work like no one is watching, dance like you don't need the money...
If you ask for opinions then do not act like a 5yo when you get them.
Look at what people types take in mind that we all have different playstyles.
I'd say to all of you trait what you like, myself (and other kin cappys) i go LtC and i'm sure i've seen more challenges done than mr. OP... Still i would not say to a HoH cappy that he is wrong there will always be pros and cons
Still i like from capstone LtC the dps (at least 1500), the crits makes me RC heal lots (3etten) so healing is fine.
I feel i give more to the raid in this build, but thats me.
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Acid is a DPS race by design, the less hopping sessions you have to go through, the higher your CM success rate is.
Lighting can be done as a DPS race - one tank, no switching. Absolute cakewalk CM if done that way.
I think when people think dps race they assume length of time you have to beat it in or you fail. Aka "enrage" timers or auto-wipes.
In general I agree with you... Acid gives you a lot of motivation to kill him in as few cycles as possible, since screwing up the sync-kill on the 5th cycle because your dps sucked, would be a bad day for all.
Lightning is more severe though. Lightning has the steam mechanic, and slow dps will make it tier up very high which makes the limrafn's start one-shotting weaker members of your raid.
Saruman has a 30min timer on it in T2.
FnF is silly-broken fest. It'd be nice if it were fixed.
I'd say 4/5 of the wings are dps-races. Lightning doesn't require anything stellar, but groups with poor dps will find it much much harder than those that kill it in 2-3 minutes.
This coming from a captain who espouses a high fate build, 1.5k might as "adequate", guaranteeing that he's at least 10% less outgoing healing than everyone else in the thread.
Take what he says with a giant grain of salt, for he's just extremely sore from getting pwned hardcore many times over on the forums.
/sigh
And once again a certain individual can't debate with subustance and facts and resorts back to his perceived saftey-net of attacking my gear and lying about my stats. If anyone on this forum should be taken with a "grain of salt" Almagnus, it is deffinitely you - as your positions on this forum change like the weather and rarely does your logic ever add up. And your need to try and belittle people on this forum by mocking the way they play really says all there is to say about you.
But since ONCE AGAIN you want to turn this thread into a discussion about Jeremi and his gear - I guess I'll defend myself...
First - and as I've told you a million times - I could easily get my might over your precious 2k mark if I wanted to. The gear is in my vault to easily do it - and I'll be happy go log into my character, put it on and show you if it will stop your nonsense obsession with my might. I do like stacking Fate. You don't. So what. Get over it and stop trying to attack me over it. Just because you play certain way, doesn't mean everyone else has to play your way or they suck.
Secondly, my outgoing healing is 45% - which is about where I like it - and I can go log into the game, buff up my character - and prove that to you as well. And I highly doubt everyone on this thread has at least 55% outgoing healing like you claim, since you say I have less than 10% than everyone else (though even if I did it wouldn't really matter).
So once again Almagnus, instead of trying to engage in respectful debate, you choose to attack my gear and lie about my stats. It's really time you move past this obsession you have for me and the way I play my Captain.
And you are dellusional if you think you have ever "pwned me hardcore" on these forums lol Lying about people and making fun of their gear doesn't = pawnage sorry...
Defiance is a terrible trait. First off in what raids is IHW actually required? I occasionally use it in lightning t2 and shadow t2. I never trait defiance, and I rarely ever die while using IHW. Almagnus said it right: Defiance is a crutch trait for captains that haven't learned how to use IHW without it. Often IHW is used in the final phase of a fight, and the group is either going to die when it expires, or you're going to kill the boss (Ivar comes to mind). Also, on the offchance you die while IHW is up... you can simply be res'd.
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i'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here Dunebug.
Defiance is a nice trait - and can save your life. And this holds true for all Captains in my mind, rather they have "learned how to use In Harms Way" or not. It allows you to soak up more heavy damage from the group than you otherwise could - and that can be quite useful in many situations throughout this game. It's also the only way to make the base ability Last Stand actually worthwhile, as the move is incredibly mediocre without the trait in my opinion - and rarely does it last long enough to make any meaningful difference otherwise.
So it's a good trait if you ask me. And when I unslot it I miss it.
does the OP want a legit discussion and to hear new opinions? or is it just a not-so-subtle way of promoting thier agenda?
judging from that avatar pic, im going with the latter... shoulda figured this out before i read half the thread...
so, ya got me: jokes on me!
"I am always serious; I am never serious." -Me
"I make the most outrageous and exaggerated statements of any man to ever live, has ever lived, or that will ever live." -Me
Definace only matters when you have a boss fight like OD Ivar, where the boss hits a trigger then does massive AE damage that will obliterate a raid unless the captain is soaking it up.
Generally speaking, if you need IHW/LS in a raid, it's because you got the positioning wrong (and too much of the raid is in the bosse's AE), the tank just died (which is generally the start of a wipe), or the healers are not keeping up with the healing.
Yes, Defiance is a decent tool, but given ToO, it's completely un-needed.
Says that I don't, and also implies that I don't have a clue on how to play.
That wasn't a personal attack. It was an observation and wasn't meant to be taken personally. Though you of all people trying to get on to me for supposedly making "personal attacks' is irony at it's finest.
I should remind you that it was YOU who made an unprovoked attack at me on this thread Almagnus. So if you dislike this kind of aggressive debate, then stop starting it.
What that post said was you have this habit of basing the worth of skills/traits/stats (basically everything) off rather or not Almagnus is currently using them. It's a pattern I have noticed on these forums. Rather it was Heralds, our Kick legacy, HoH Capstone, Song Brother ect.... and more recently Defiance.
And I wasn't trying to "imply" anything except exactly what I said. If I wanted to say you "don't have a clue on how to play" I would say it plainly Almagnus. I don't beat around the bush. But I was never trying to say that, because I don't think that - and I'm sure you play Captain just fine. You just have a very narrow perspective at times and that's what I was pointing out.
I should remind you that it was YOU who made an unprovoked attack at me on this thread Almagnus. So if you dislike this kind of debate, then stop starting it.
This thread is about bringing the most to the group. You (laughably) claim you want to improve your DPS, yet you do not have around 2000 might, and close to 900 fate. So while you make claims that you want to improve DPS in HoH (which is a healing line, NOT the DPS line), what gear choices you make doesn't mesh with that.
The spreadsheet was linked only to give people an easier way to translate ratings (and thus, might scores) to outgoing healing percentages. If that somehow says "Jeremi = noob"....
Originally Posted by Jeremi
What that post said was you have this habit of basing the worth of skills/traits/stats (basically everything) off rather or not Almagnus is currently using them. It's a pattern I have noticed on these forums. Rather it was Heralds, our Kick legacy, HoH Capstone, Song Brother ect.... and more recently Defiance.
Heralds: What part of "I leveled to 75, ran my herald through DN, BG, and OD on level, and I'm sad that it's so weak and frail that I can't justify using it in ToO" don't you understand? I still run with it on the landscape, even though I'm weaker for it.
Kick Legacy: It's a horrible legacy for an interrupt skill - especially when compared against the other classes. I have seen it's value, and it's been on my LIs ever since we could start controlling the legacies on them.
HoH Capstone: Everything in ToO is a DPS race, so HoH has absolutely no business there, and is only slowing down the raid. Non-raid PvE, go with what role you need to fill. Not a hard concept to figure out. I was also running in HoH since MoM, and have been using it when I need the extra healing amp.
Song Brother: My exact opinion is that it's a broken skill. If you don't like it, tough.
Defiance: I know what to use it, been using it since MoM (probably before) - it's not something that's actually needed in ToO, so it falls back to it's "raid crutch" status. If we were talking about something like OD Ivar, then yes, it would be needed.
Originally Posted by Jeremi
And I wasn't trying to "imply" anything except exactly what I said. If I wanted to say you "don't have a clue on how to play" I would say it plainly Almagnus. I don't beat around the bush. But I was never trying to say that, because I don't think that - and I'm sure you play Captain just fine. You just have a very narrow perspective at times and that's what I was pointing out.
No, you do this passive-agressive attacks, then try to spin your way out of it when called on it. That's like the very defintion of cowardice.
Jeremi your first post in this thread was a passive aggressive jab at some unnamed person on these forums. It's not the first time you have opened up with passive aggressive jabs at him at the start of a clean thread.
I value having a different perspective and don't want a confrontation with you.. but you gotta understand that your dragging this into every thread. If it's not intentional there is a major disconnect between what you mean to convey and what you are conveying.
This thread is about bringing the most to the group. You (laughably) claim you want to improve your DPS, yet you do not have around 2000 might, and close to 900 fate. So while you make claims that you want to improve DPS in HoH (which is a healing line, NOT the DPS line), what gear choices you make doesn't mesh with that.
The spreadsheet was linked only to give people an easier way to translate ratings (and thus, might scores) to outgoing healing percentages. If that somehow says "Jeremi = noob"....
No, you do this passive-agressive attacks, then try to spin your way out of it when called on it. That's like the very defintion of cowardice.
So as to not rehash old arguments... I'll just comment on these quotse to simply things ^^
No. You linked the spreadsheet to try and prove your claim that everyone on this forum had at least 10% more outgoing healing than me because I don't have as much might as you think I should.
Which was a lie, unless everyone on this board has 55.7% outgoing healing...
But of course instead of admitting your error, you instead are going to throw out more insults and pretend now I'm somehow showing "cowardice"... So if anyone here is attempting to "spin your way out it" as you say Almagnus, it's deffinitely you. And you are the one exhibiting the very definition of "cowardice".
And like I said in my last post... you are acting as if I was the aggressor here? You were the one who made an unprovoked attack on me in this thread. So stop acting as if you are some innnocent bystander who I unfairly picked on with my "passive aggression" or w/e.... You were the aggressor here. Not me.
Jeremi your first post in this thread was a passive aggressive jab at some unnamed person on these forums. It's not the first time you have opened up with passive aggressive jabs at him at the start of a clean thread.
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No it wasn't Armitas. I wasn't even thinking of Almagnus when I wrote my first thread. He is not nearly so much on my mind as some of you people think lol
If people want to imagine personal attacks where there are none I can't be held responsible for that. Many people on this forum have said the things I was referring to in my first post on this thread, and Almagnus wasnt' even in my thoughts... it was a general notion I was speaking against and I made that very clear.
Also you are cleary bias and I would prefer you stay out of this if you don't want a confrontation with me Cause butting into this to stick up for your friend is not a good way to avoid a confrontation with me if that's really your intent.
No it wasn't Armitas. I wasn't even thinking of Almagnus when I wrote my first thread. He is not nearly so much on my mind as some of you people think lol
If people want to imagine personal attacks where there are none I can't be held responsible for that. Many people on this forum have said the things I was referring to in my first post on this thread, and Almagnus wasnt' even in my thoughts... it was a general notion I was speaking against and I made that very clear.
Also you are cleary bias and I would prefer you stay out of this if you don't want a confrontation with me Cause butting into this to stick up for your friend is not a good way to avoid a confrontation with me if that's really your intent.
I belive you, but you have done it in the past. If I was him I would have assumed it was the same sort of thing as before, thus causing confrontation.
I only wanted to make you aware. You can choose to use that info any way you want.
I belive you but you have done it in the past. If I was him I would have assumed it was the same sort of thing as before, thus causing confrontation.
I only wanted to make you aware. You can choose to use that info any way you want.
But you can't make me "aware" of something I was not doing Armitas.
My original post in this thread had NOTHING to do with Almagnus. I wasn't even thinking about him when I wrote it. I was addressing GENERAL opinions expressed by MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE on this forum. And I made that VERY CLEAR in my post.
If I wanted to specifically address something Almagnus said I would have. But ty for believing me, I think. Though I'm a little confused as to what you believe me about ^^
With how ToO is designed, there's really not a place for HoH or LoM.
LoM because a captain tank is a tad bit to squishy, and can't produce agro well enough to main tank any of the bosses.
HoH because the entire place is a DPS race, and HoH's DPS is roughly half of LtC's. THings should be dead before the extra healing from HoH starts to make a difference.
Have you ever been mad enough that you've wanted to beat the snot out of someone? What's wrong with expressing that frustration?
Also, don't ask questions you do not want to know the answer to.
I didn't ask you any questions about that....
I could care less if you want to "beat the snot" out of me or "kill" me. Talking tough on the internet doesn't impress or interest me sorry. It's easy to act tough anonymously while sitting behind a computer screen at your keyboard
And if you are actually getting this angry over an internet forum... I would suggest maybe it's time you take a break, walk outside, and breath in some fresh air lol
I could care less if you want to "beat the snot" out of me or "kill" me. Talking tough on the internet doesn't impress or interest me sorry. It's easy to act tough anonymously while sitting behind a computer screen at your keyboard
And if you are actually getting this angry over an internet forum... I would suggest maybe it's time you take a break, walk outside, and breath in some fresh air lol
There's another factor contributing to it..... perhaps the thread itself needs a closer look and moderation.
There's another factor contributing to it..... perhaps the thread itself needs a closer look and moderation.
No there was no other factors.
You simply imagined me attacking you where I wasn't and started "trolling" me over it - to use your word.
It would probably be better for your health if you just put me on ignore. That way you won't have to worry about seeing my posts. Because no matter how general I seem to make them you always seem to assume they are somehow personal attacks against you.... and flame wars ensue as a result.
I'd say 4/5 of the wings are dps-races. Lightning doesn't require anything stellar, but groups with poor dps will find it much much harder than those that kill it in 2-3 minutes.
We're talking about whether or not Captains need to be eking out a little more DPS. Shadow is the only race, and the Acid or F&F zerg strats. Otherwise, more DPS will help, but there's no real need for support classes to trait DPS. It's mostly a luxury for once you have things on farm to kill faster, but saving 10 minutes over a 3 hour raid isn't exactly a necessity.
I've never seen lightning be much of a DPS race. Pugs have been beating it for months, certainly with Captains traited every which way. If the difference between beating it and wiping is a few hundred DPS from a Captain, there's more going wrong in the group. F&F T2 has been pretty easy since before most people had 1st Ages. Acid, if you don't do the zerg, is more about control.
Trait how you like. If you're doing one of the few DPS races and it seems like your group needs more DPS, go retrait. I've certainly done Acid zerg and Shadow without red Captains.
Work like no one is watching, dance like you don't need the money...
I was addressing the topic of the post, and referring to general opinions expressed often and openly on this thread. And I can express my opinions about general beliefs regarding LtC vs HoH without being so-called "passive aggressive". And I'm not going to walk on eggshells in here either out of some fear I may "passively" offend Almagnus.
Also if I wanted to single-out Almagnus I don't do it "passively" Armitas. And that should be PAINFULLY obvious to everyone by now. And no one else found my rather innocent post to be so offensive. I'm not the problem here. And I'm getting tired of every thread being turned into a personal debate about my gear, my stats, and the way I play my Captain because your friend has a personal beef against me and the way I play my silly video game toon. It's needs to end. And if you want to be a real friend here, convince him to put me on ignore lol
With how ToO is designed, there's really not a place for HoH or LoM.
LoM because a captain tank is a tad bit to squishy, and can't produce agro well enough to main tank any of the bosses.
HoH because the entire place is a DPS race, and HoH's DPS is roughly half of LtC's. THings should be dead before the extra healing from HoH starts to make a difference.
Again ? Well , sorry but you are 100% mistaken.
I will pretend you are affected by your personal 'cyber' war you set up with the other guy on this thread , like any of us cares.
I am hoping on some cencoring soon : >
Friendly advice to any neutral cappies that might watch this thread in the future.What almagnus claims in those lines , is absolutely untrue.And this is why :
1)Lightning is not a DPS race , it never was , it never will be . It's a pretty easy but stable fight , where the ''useless'' trait defiance can make it faster ( aka nuke it instead of moving at a certain morale that suits your needs ) .
2)F&F IS a DPS race 100% , not intented , but it IS as it is . You have to trait a few reds at least here , i totally agree , but it is the only wing and that because of BAD BAD BAD mechanics failing. Actually , more like glorious and hard mechanics that got ruined by a hastened nerf.Also , the ''useless'' trait defiance gets you safe and alive after the grim spawn , instead of risking dying and resetting the fight because of you : >
3)Acid is NOT a dps race. It's totally untrue. You can do it with burg stack + dps cappie b4 add spawn , yes , BUT not all kins have the burgs , the necessary dps and gearing to do it that way. Normal tactic requires at least 1 add spawn , end of story. When that happens , heals are useful , there are range issues for the minnies , and the captain needs to support.
Reds are not bad for that wing ,especially if you want to kill for instance a dragonet alone , i don't say that , but its not a dps race. Personally i go with my normal 5b/2y setup , i use only 1 tonic and i am FINE and heal on the same time.
4)Shadow a dps race??? HMMMMMMMMMM , why ? Because it has a timer ? It looks more like a CC race to me . CC is what allows you to kill less and do it within 5 mins EASILY , NOT only dps.And trait reds there for what ???????? You get reduced attack speed all the time , and there can be unlucky times where you might get outside melee range of the boss and unable to move. At that spot you can only heal/buff : >
5) Saruman is a dps race ??? Outrageous , its a survivability fight , only reason there is a half-hour timer is to make you avoid slacking/afks on the first phases : >
I am only referring to t2 ch fights.
If you play dps in most bosses in ToO t2 , then only thing you will achieve is hatred from your minstrels and laughs in your kinship for your cappying leeching behind your back or even in your face. You have to help them , you are the only one who can do it : P And RC's are not enough , especially if you waste most of the time swapping sets/emblems and whatever else Glorious red cappies do in their free time : > Well , if anyone does it right at all.
My intention is not personal attack ( others do that better than me anyway ) , but some things in this thread needs to be corrected.
Again ? Well , sorry but you are 100% mistaken.
I will pretend you are affected by your personal 'cyber' war you set up with the other guy on this thread , like any of us cares.
I am hoping on some cencoring soon : >
Friendly advice to any neutral cappies that might watch this thread in the future.What almagnus claims in those lines , is absolutely untrue.And this is why :
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Well I just want to say - as that other guy^^ - I totally agree with this.
And I don't say this to be "passive aggressive" either.
I say this because I don't want these generalities which are often promoted by LtC Captains (AND I DON'T MEAN THIS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR CAPTAIN) that Hands of Healing are somehow unfit for raiding. That's false, and they are absolutely acceptable for raiding. And if you want to raid as a HoH Captain, don't let these forums convince you that you are somehow less viable or less of an asset because of it. Because that's not true, and both traitlines bring acceptable worth to any raid if played well.
If you play dps in most bosses in ToO t2 , then only thing you will achieve is hatred from your minstrels and laughs in your kinship for your cappying leeching behind your back or even in your face. You have to help them , you are the only one who can do it : P And RC's are not enough , especially if you waste most of the time swapping sets/emblems and whatever else Glorious red cappies do in their free time : > Well , if anyone does it right at all.
Just cause someone's 4 red or LtC, doesn't mean they aren't using WoC. Inspire and RC are essentially mandatory because a captain that deep in the reds will go out of power without doing so. So that means healing doesn't drop that much (or it shouldn't at least).
As far as buffing goes, if the Captain's using FB + Blade Bro, it's what most raids want in ToO, so there's no change there. Other buffs are constant, and even IDoME is debateable (cause it's not that huge of an improvement, less than a percent to all ratings, with a bit of power and morale, but it's less than 200 each for most class).
The big improvement is DPS, and if stuff dies faster, it means lesser healing load for everyone.
And btw, this captain does not abuse the item swapping, so being effective is possible as is.
As far as buffing goes, if the Captain's using FB + Blade Bro, it's what most raids want in ToO, so there's no change there. Other buffs are constant, and even IDoME is debateable (cause it's not that huge of an improvement, less than a percent to all ratings, with a bit of power and morale, but it's less than 200 each for most class).
The big improvement is DPS, and if stuff dies faster, it means lesser healing load for everyone.
And btw, this captain does not abuse the item swapping, so being effective is possible as is.
Yep ,i agree.Idome is debateable. However the proper description is : A SMALL percentage to all ratings , for the WHOLE group.
On the other hand you have extra dps for YOU, the captain ( ! ).
Yes , again , everything dies faster with extra dps from a cappy , the question is : Is that really so much time that worths nerfing your class role ? : > Cause i think that in a 5 min fight , the difference between dps cappy/support cappy is only a few seconds , and veryveryvery far away from a minute : ) Those seconds can be important in giants , but everywhere else its totally useless , and it was not INTENTED for any of the bosses in ToO.Captain was never supposed to dps in ToO , and i already explained above how i justify this.Well, we were unlucky ( or lucky ? ) , we have to dps in giants , but please explain me why you put the other bosses in the same basket of ''dps races'' . I honestly believe you know your class , but these comments have nothing to do with reality and i honestly wonder if you actually do the stuff you support in this thread.
This captain is not abusing item swapping ? Well.. without item swapping , you can't have everything , so the healing aspect is not just nerfed by a little as we've been claiming so far , but by a lot : >
Can you please explain me how the dps captain is supposed to work ? Cause i've tried with 5 command+3 prese usage + a swapping emblem . Thats the only setup that in my eyes makes a difference. If you lose 1 of those set bonuses ( or emblem legacies ) then there is no point going dps at all.
Is that really so much time that worths nerfing your class role ? : >
Look at it this way:
Do Red traited Captains accomplish various end game Raids? Check.
Does that same Captain get invited back again next time? Check.
Will the Captain retrait to what the Raid leader deems best if asked? Check.
Does a Red traited Captain still perform his core "support role? Check.
I fail to see how being Red traited nerfs my class role.
Yes , again , everything dies faster with extra dps from a cappy , the question is : Is that really so much time that worths nerfing your class role ?
My primary role is to be that which makes the group win. Buffing can't save people. DPS and Healing will actually make the in combat difference so I can help make the group win.
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This captain is not abusing item swapping ? Well.. without item swapping , you can't have everything , so the healing aspect is not just nerfed by a little as we've been claiming so far , but by a lot : >
Can you please explain me how the dps captain is supposed to work ? Cause i've tried with 5 command+3 prese usage + a swapping emblem . Thats the only setup that in my eyes makes a difference. If you lose 1 of those set bonuses ( or emblem legacies ) then there is no point going dps at all.
I roll 4 Dagor 2 Gallant Commander (chest and boots). My play time has asymptotically approached 0 for the last 3 or 4 months, or it would be 3 Dagor/3 Perserverance.
Healing Emblem (that I can swap to if I want that extra healing boost):
Strength of Will Healing
Rally Cry Healing
Rally Cry Cooldown
Vocal Skills Healing
Melee Skills Healing
Muster Courage Cooldown
Weapon:
To Arms
Kick Cooldown
Telling Mark
PA Targets
+BoE Damage
+Cutting Attack Damage
Because I have 2.2k might, I'm sitting at around 45ish% outgoing healing (probably closer to 46 or 47%), with my melee damage at 100% (or slightly over), melee crit at 25%, with tactical crit at 20%
Traits:
Now for Wrath
Relentless Optimism
Fear No Darkness/Turn of the Tide
Battle-master
Expert Attacks
Renewed Voice
Adherent of Elendil
IDoME/MoW
OS
FB
I start in the DPS emblem, if I need to crank out the healing, i switch to the healing emblem, then roll back to the DPS emblem once we're out of the woods. Since so much of our healing is HoT based, the 20% tactical crit chance means 1 out of every five HoT ticks will crit.
I've also learned how to IHW w/o LS, so Defiance isn't mandatory for me, because I know how to gauge the damage in and LS when I need to.
LIs are suboptimal when compared to a swapper, however, it covers all the bases.
If I need more tactical mit, I switch out the Victor and Exemplar rings for the moors ring set, switch out the GC pieces for the Kapwin Chest and boots. Might will still stay over 2k.
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Cause butting into this to stick up for your friend is not a good way to avoid a confrontation with me if that's really your intent.
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