Thread: How important is finesse for a tanking warden?

Right now i'm at (unbuffed):
2122 vitality
1019 might
7389 parry
6795 block
9124 phys mit
12321 tac mit
2064 finesse

I'm quite happy with this build, but I'm a bit concerned about only having 2k finesse, because mobs resisting the initial EoB is a pain in things like saruman.

So would it be worth dropping my parry to ~6.4k and might to 900, to boost my finesse up to 4k?

I'm also considering using my current build for 3/6-mans, but then upping my finesse whenever I do something like orthanc, where the mobs have high finesse. Just looking for opinions from some of the more experienced wardens

Unfortunatly finesse doesnt apply to the situation you asked about since EoB is a cry (sort of) it is resisted not BPE and finesse only lowers your enemies BPE. For tanking it only really comes into play on the self heals and single target threats.

Finesse reduces resists by the same amount as total BPE, so it will work on EoB or just about anything else, I'd guess, unless it's bugged. Hover over the stat in your character panel and it will tell you the percentage. Your finesse and mob finesse aren't related other than if they're reducing your BPE/resist then you might as well reduce theirs.

You might be right I was going off the dev diary it turns out in that case i need more finesse

I run around with 3k finesse and realized quite many resists when facing saruman t2. I never had much of a problem with it so far, although it might have been in other t2 wings. The ring with vitality out of RoF, although not much to my liking, is a pretty easy solution for me to reach 4 finesse. Haven't tried it, though.

Finesse does affect your target's ability to resist your cries (and any other skill whose tool-tip reads Tactical at the top). When tanking T2 stuff Id recommend about 4K finesse but no more than 5K really as then you're making painful sacrifices.

you can afford to lower you Parry a bit as capt buff + WoS should get you quite decent %ages

Based on testing I did with my LM and warden found in the links below i have come to some conclusions about finesse and resist ratings.

1) 5k total effective finesse (incuding traits and legacies not necessarily avail to wardens) should counter the majority of the base resist/b/p/e that enemeies with 'remarkable' resistances will have (T2 raid bosses). 5k is pretty hard to get on a warden so you will have to live with something less than ideal

link for finesse

2) The strong voice trait would normally contribute to your total finesse for resists of fist gambits but i think it is broken. Ill admit I have not done enough testing for a clear answer but the '+' in the +1500 resist rating worried me. I tried to do some testing to convince myself it was just a typo but it appears to actually be broken, so i dont trait it.

link for strong voice

While ill admit neither of these are concrete, i now run with 4k finesse once have stopped traiting strong voice and it seems to be much more manageable now.

I've always found that since we can spam several eob's quite fast resists has never been an issue, in saruman phase 3 and forward, just make sure you start phase with eob both in BM and built gambit, and you'll have two to pop instantly...

u have more parry than block? o.0 am i doing something wrong lol?

OK, I guess I'll sacrifice some might and parry to get 4k finesse for raids, as well as the double EoB for saruman.

The reason my parry's higher than block is because with your own warden buffs, you gain an additional ~7k block rating, and it caps at 12k, so to cap your block rating you'd only need an initial 5k. I also tend to forget WoS, so a high initial parry is good

Originally Posted by sp33dccm

OK, I guess I'll sacrifice some might and parry to get 4k finesse for raids, as well as the double EoB for saruman.

The reason my parry's higher than block is because with your own warden buffs, you gain an additional ~7k block rating, and it caps at 12k, so to cap your block rating you'd only need an initial 5k. I also tend to forget WoS, so a high initial parry is good

Thats crazy. With the orthanc set alone ur finesse will be 3.1k which is fine. I can bet you will not notice any difference from 3.1k to 4.1k

Originally Posted by sp33dccm

Right now i'm at (unbuffed):
2122 vitality
1019 might
7389 parry
6795 block
9124 phys mit
12321 tac mit
2064 finesse

I'm quite happy with this build, but I'm a bit concerned about only having 2k finesse, because mobs resisting the initial EoB is a pain in things like saruman.

So would it be worth dropping my parry to ~6.4k and might to 900, to boost my finesse up to 4k?

I'm also considering using my current build for 3/6-mans, but then upping my finesse whenever I do something like orthanc, where the mobs have high finesse. Just looking for opinions from some of the more experienced wardens

Mind posting a screenshot of your build? Fairly curious as to how you got there.