Thread: Agility for Warden

Hi guys, how much agility should a warden have at level 75 and what gear can he get agility from?

Originally Posted by weiminc38

Hi guys, how much agility should a warden have at level 75 and what gear can he get agility from?

My "way of agility":
1. Tank - don't bother. We have enough agi from tanking set and jewelry. In most setups I have around 250-300 agi.
2. Dps - don't bother. When I build up might/physical mastery/pure crit, by accident I get around 700 agi. It's quite enough.

I have 300 Agility wearing full Thamen Set & standard tanky jewelry LLG 3piece etc.

If I had lots of spare TP I would probably buy some might / agi stat tomes to bump up B/P/E a bit more , but is there a need , gaining 50 Might & Agility is not a game breaker for me.

In tanking build I run 300ish agility myself, and don't find it lacking

Lolled at all of you im on 580 agility. 940 might and 1970 vit . Agility is pretty important since it contributes to parry and evade. Block is 8k, parry 5k and evade 6k. Im using Orc-Slave's Bracelet for it.

I'll throw my 2 cents into the general consensus its not important it adds some to your bpe but it has no real other purpose any more since they took away the bonus to hit chance and even before that the bonus to ranged damage. Take it if you can get it but don't sacrifice other stats for it. I tend to look at things from a solo point of view and currently agi is probably the least useful of the stats for wardens in that role.

Originally Posted by khaipur

I'll throw my 2 cents into the general consensus its not important it adds some to your bpe but it has no real other purpose any more since they took away the bonus to hit chance and even before that the bonus to ranged damage. Take it if you can get it but don't sacrifice other stats for it. I tend to look at things from a solo point of view and currently agi is probably the least useful of the stats for wardens in that role.

Thats not entirely accurate...the BPE it adds is more important than the BPE you get from Might, since its so easy to reach cap on Block (Might's primary avoidance), and so hard to reach cap on Parry and Evade. Plus, Parry = power with the trait.

And Agi still gives a to-hit bonus, though the tooltip doesnt mention it. 1% for every 100 points is the formula that comes to mind. On-level, you dont really notice it that much unless your Agi is extremely low, though (like under 100), so you don't really get that much bonus from to-hit for stacking it above what you'd get just from other gear anyway.

Originally Posted by droid

Thats not entirely accurate...the BPE it adds is more important than the BPE you get from Might, since its so easy to reach cap on Block (Might's primary avoidance), and so hard to reach cap on Parry and Evade. Plus, Parry = power with the trait.

And Agi still gives a to-hit bonus, though the tooltip doesnt mention it. 1% for every 100 points is the formula that comes to mind. On-level, you dont really notice it that much unless your Agi is extremely low, though (like under 100), so you don't really get that much bonus from to-hit for stacking it above what you'd get just from other gear anyway.

Does it really? since the tool tip doesn't mention it, you said yourself its unnoticeable on level and before the tooltip changed the devs were going on about how they were planning on simplifying combat by removing it. Okay the official lorebook still includes it but it also includes melee and ranged masteries and individual resistance ratings. Are you sure its not just wishful thinking? You have a point about agi being beneficial to someone who has maxed out block but in this age of min/maxing if you have a choice you choose vit for tanking and might for dps.

I never said that you should avoid Agi and if you have something that gives you 150 agi to replace say 75 might go for it, it's just not the stat that wardens should be focusing on (moors armor to the contrary).

Agility is good for you but it's way less important than Vit and Might, You don't need to stack it on perpose.

Originally Posted by Giliodor

Lolled at all of you im on 580 agility. 940 might and 1970 vit . Agility is pretty important since it contributes to parry and evade. Block is 8k, parry 5k and evade 6k. Im using Orc-Slave's Bracelet for it.

Post a screenie of that build , since you LOL'd at my reply . Those are nice stats but I expect they are on the higher side of an average warden build and not something a new lvl75 will get anywhere near.

For the average PvE tanking Warden who runs T1 ToO , T2 3/6mans with the easily obtainable, via the Rep/Seals grind, Jewelry / Armor then I will stand by my 300 Agi , 650 - 700 Might , 1900-2000 vit are stats to aim for.

I disagree with the opinion, might was more important than agi. There are only few items with agi on it that are useful as a tank, but if you can find some, keep them

In the end, every 1 might you can exchange to get 1 agi shifts 4 block-rating to 4 evade-rating. Parry stays the same.
A) Evade is the better stat. Yes, you get your 1% morale back with a block event, but you can evade hits from every direction, and...
B) Even with less might, if you have SM up, the defensive strike up and the random block event, you are easily at 13-15k block rating. Try that with your evade rating that easily.

I run with 800 might and 450 agi while not compromising with vit (2270) and reach BPE of 7700/6500/4900 in determination.

Originally Posted by khaipur

Does it really?

Yes...I havent tested it myself but I read a report from someone who has. You can try it yourself easily, strip naked and get a lowbie weapon, so your AGI is as low as possible, and then run a sequence against a training dummy and see how many misses you get. It should be around, IIRC, 5% (or 10%?) against on-level targets with 0 agi.

Plus I've seen a blue-name quoted in a couple places as saying Agi still contributes to to-hit, the tooltip was just an oversight.

maybe ya'll should re-read your tooltips ...


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Originally Posted by Catisa

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Oh come on, that's such a tease! We want to see the rest of the build (LI's included).

I don't think it really matters honestly. I would just stack as much morale as you can get and buff bpe with gambits.. Seems to work pretty well no?

Originally Posted by WhimsicalPacifist

Oh come on, that's such a tease! We want to see the rest of the build (LI's included).

Nothing special, far better wardens then me out there but since you asked


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Originally Posted by Aidlywo

Post a screenie of that build , since you LOL'd at my reply . Those are nice stats but I expect they are on the higher side of an average warden build and not something a new lvl75 will get anywhere near.

For the average PvE tanking Warden who runs T1 ToO , T2 3/6mans with the easily obtainable, via the Rep/Seals grind, Jewelry / Armor then I will stand by my 300 Agi , 650 - 700 Might , 1900-2000 vit are stats to aim for.

Have to say: that might was in a group with a captain. Unbuffed it is 870ish i believe. Tell me how and where to post it

Currently I have approx 1k might, 600 agi, and 1500 vit... Should probably give up agi for vit; only have 12,500 morale like this...

Originally Posted by Catisa

Nothing special, far better wardens then me out there but since you asked

Thank you! Crunching numbers and min-maxing makes me happy.