Thread: Pvp unbalanced claimed by creeps side, indeed-------power them up slaugter the VIP!!!

Originally Posted by Exion_Blade

Not sure the 'spelling and grammar' thing may apply if he has already stated he is from Germany.
It's likely there is a miscommunication in the translation and he's confused about the technicalities of the game and is simply stating on what he knows best, which may well be false.
No need to pull out the 'you're an idiot because you cant speak well' card.

Can I pull out the 'you're either lieing through your teeth or trolling' card?

Now i unlocked the video. This champ is an excellent gamer one, u meet only once on a server
he s activating the skills not with the mouse, with an extra game pad? and is kiting nicely.
Most of the fights were with ranked 2 creeps. no fight with more than 3 creeps at the moment, nothing special, but indeed, a reason for those to complain that freeps are overpowered. Those video could be the base for all argues and however is wrong (not imposingly)due to the lack of the missing skills on creeps side. Till frame 6:30 wasnt there a seriously enemy (where i stopped to watch further)unless the last warg.He managed easily the last fight and thats why i say after i ve seen the style that he is one of 300

Not to sound like a jerk but you should probably learn how to play like him rather than bother complaining about how a hard it is for a champion in the Moors. No one in the right mind is going to say that you have it harder than a creep in there .

"... okay 'seriously' now.. gotta ask, whats a warlord?"

i was thinking the same thing lol, its spelled Warleader,

but judging by the fact he doesnt even know that, im to assume his pvmp experience is little to none, and he went out there once, got mugged by wargs, came back hit a few got a 2.2k hit on him and said -"this cannot happen! i am a champ no creep should have a chance against me!"-then made this post.

but this is exclusively based on me reading everything in this post, i ddint check to see if he actually had rank, but his knowledge suggests that he has very litle knowledge.

-feeds troll a samich-

Pureblood makes more sense in his arguments, I got a headache after the first sentence trying to read this. If you want to troll can you at least make it readable? I enjoy reading troll's works.

As long as one freep dies in the moors, freeps are to weak. Buff needed, Turbine.

This logic has worked out for 5 years, why does anyone think it might change? Get used to it, being beaten by unskilled players on their freep FOTM is what you are expected to get as a creep, and the same people crying a river when they are beaten by numbers is what your are expected to read on this forum.

All is fine, PVMP is where Turbine wants it to be.

That trolling has to stop now immediatly.
First i have to admit my two made faults here.
1. I wrote defiler but meant reaver 2.2k damage
2. secondly, wasnt i 100 percent informed about the mitigation changes here, since i dont study a game, i play it.
Both faults arent a line of attack personaly. if u do, u judge about yourself and the community will do the rest.

Tactical Mitigation helps indeed, but isnt the Solution. I managed to get it up to 6300 and am still testing around.
And again , if u creeps , and the most rude letters i got are from creeps argue, it s your fault that u suck so much in fight depends it only on the new system.

To show me that a champion can tank 6 creeps turns it out
1. this video is made befor the patch, befor audacity and befor creeps got more skills,due to their cries. thats ok but stop open every day new threads that freeps are overpowered. Thats lame. It is a bit perverted that we VIP keep that game running and u f2p crie for more skills heals that we can be punished and that 100 percent. There will never be a perfect balance.
The behavior in this thread is the darkest one ive seen but really , i expected u.
I know what the social community became here. Greed and jealousy behavior is identified as main attribut.
I tell it again . Due to your cries did u got what u deserverd, a patch which made u stronger.
But there is a breakeven when some classes of freeps cant withstand. And that is a point where someone has to look in.
Again, a mini is taken out by two wargs in 5 seconds.
I am taken out by one warg, BA r8(each fight , no further testing needed), defiler, (reaver is atm equal on rank 10,we both died) each fight rank 10. Those video is no more representable.(veryl low ranked creeps and very worse fighters) If that has to be, ill keep my mouth shutted, but it has to be written down what fact is, not what u wish.

If u allege freeps are overpowered i have to give u the card ( u are poor skilled and armored) back. come to imladris and learn by our creep how to play, they do very good.
And good, i made my homework and will get some more defense attributs.
The worsest testimony a champ tanks a raid, or a group of high ranked creeps and survives by killing them all is a pure lie.
Those who mean a champion has to get 10 k tactical mitigation by reduction of physical ability, critical damage virtuality are completly lost in this game.
Have a nice day.

If u have to laugh, so do, but dont post it here how bad my english is.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

since i dont study a game, i play it.

Might I suggest a shooter ?

I heard those do not require thinking .

Originally Posted by Alphgard

That trolling has to stop now immediatly.

I agree. Stop it.

wasnt i 100 percent informed about the mitigation changes here, since i dont study a game, i play it.

Derp.

Tactical Mitigation helps indeed, but isnt the Solution. I managed to get it up to 6300 and am still testing around.
And again , if u creeps , and the most rude letters i got are from creeps argue, it s your fault that u suck so much in fight depends it only on the new system.

To show me that a champion can tank 6 creeps turns it out
1. this video is made befor the patch, befor audacity and befor creeps got more skills,due to their cries.

No. Stop lying. The video description CLEARLY says
Filmed July 2-5, 2012 by Kidefence
Plus, you can even see him wearing his Audacity armour.
Plus, you can see creeps using new skills.
Plus, you can see the new icons on buffs.
Plus, how can you not see all of that?

thats ok but stop open every day new threads that freeps are overpowered. Thats lame

I agree. Nerfing freeps isn't the way to go since they need to PvE. It's buffing creep classes that's the answer.

It is a bit perverted that we VIP keep that game running and u f2p crie for more skills heals that we can be punished and that 100 percent. There will never be a perfect balance.

Um, F2P can't play creep except Freaver. So..nope.avi
Punished? If creeps got buffed, I might actually enjoy playing freep again, right now it's facerolliciously boring.

The behavior in this thread is the darkest one ive seen but really , i expected u.I know what the social community became here. Greed and jealousy behavior is identified as main attribut.

Maybe it's the darkest one you've seen because you're the most clueless, obnoxious and ignorant person the community has ever seen? It tends to respond in turn you see.

I tell it again . Due to your cries did u got what u deserverd, a patch which made u stronger.
But there is a breakeven when some classes of freeps cant withstand. And that is a point where someone has to look in.

I agree. Currently Lore-masters are in bad position compared to other freeps due to CC having no more real use. They have excellent DPS compared to creeps, but not enough to be a DPS class on freepside, and not sturdy enough to be something else. So either give back CC, or give LMs a DPS/survival stance or something.

Again, a mini is taken out by two wargs in 5 seconds.

If they're below Lv50, probably. Minstrel is currently probably the number 1 most powerful freep class due to insta self heals and insta ranged aoe nukes.

I am taken out by one warg, BA, defiler, (reaver is atm equal on rank 10) each fight rank 10.

Well it's only normal that you lose again three Rank 10 creeps if your mitigation is so low. Take 1 or 2 first, then once your mitigation is higher go for all 3. Also I'd recommend Glory traits for the higher ranks, it's slower but your survivability goes through the roof.

The worsest testimony a champ tanks a raid, or a group of high ranked creeps and survives by killing them all is a pure lie.

If it's a raid of high rank creeps, a Champion doesn't survive by killing them. He survives because he runs and creeps can't stop him, nor do they have enough DPS to kill him in time.
The more you know...

Those who mean a champion has to get 10 k tactical mitigation by reduction of physical ability, critical damage virtuality are completly lost in this game.

Except for the fact that they survive and kill stuff, whereas you die. So yeah, they must be lost.

If u have to laugh, so do, but dont post it here how bad my english is.

Okay. Sorry.

8/10, would read again.

o god this thread lol

If u allege freeps are overpowered i have to give u the card ( u are poor skilled and armored) back. come to imladris and learn by our creep how to play, they do very good.

Actually it might do you some good to go and see some champions play on other servers. Start a Warg and go and watch some of the fights happening.

The worsest testimony a champ tanks a raid, or a group of high ranked creeps and survives by killing them all is a pure lie.

How is your plan going with being a glass cannon going then ? Obviously it isn't doing you any favors. Perhaps it would help you to increase your survival chances than doing whatever it is you are doing.

Those who mean a champion has to get 10 k tactical mitigation by reduction of physical ability, critical damage virtuality are completly lost in this game.

Its funny you mention this, for giggles I went and checked the character details of three random Champions (Elendilmir) today. All of them have at least 8.5k + Tactical Mitigation and goes upto 13k . None of them have any problems killing creeps.

How about a better way of making your point. Why don't you make a video showing your Moors experience.

Edit : By the way take a look at both of the videos in the signature above.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

That trolling has to stop now immediatly.
First i have to admit my two made faults here.
1. I wrote defiler but meant reaver 2.2k damage
2. secondly, wasnt i 100 percent informed about the mitigation changes here, since i dont study a game, i play it.
Both faults arent a line of attack personaly. if u do, u judge about yourself and the community will do the rest.

Tactical Mitigation helps indeed, but isnt the Solution. I managed to get it up to 6300 and am still testing around.
And again , if u creeps , and the most rude letters i got are from creeps argue, it s your fault that u suck so much in fight depends it only on the new system.

To show me that a champion can tank 6 creeps turns it out
1. this video is made befor the patch, befor audacity and befor creeps got more skills,due to their cries. thats ok but stop open every day new threads that freeps are overpowered. Thats lame. It is a bit perverted that we VIP keep that game running and u f2p crie for more skills heals that we can be punished and that 100 percent. There will never be a perfect balance.
The behavior in this thread is the darkest one ive seen but really , i expected u.
I know what the social community became here. Greed and jealousy behavior is identified as main attribut.
I tell it again . Due to your cries did u got what u deserverd, a patch which made u stronger.
But there is a breakeven when some classes of freeps cant withstand. And that is a point where someone has to look in.
Again, a mini is taken out by two wargs in 5 seconds.
I am taken out by one warg, BA r8(each fight , no further testing needed), defiler, (reaver is atm equal on rank 10,we both died) each fight rank 10. Those video is no more representable.(veryl low ranked creeps and very worse fighters) If that has to be, ill keep my mouth shutted, but it has to be written down what fact is, not what u wish.

If u allege freeps are overpowered i have to give u the card ( u are poor skilled and armored) back. come to imladris and learn by our creep how to play, they do very good.
And good, i made my homework and will get some more defense attributs.
The worsest testimony a champ tanks a raid, or a group of high ranked creeps and survives by killing them all is a pure lie.
Those who mean a champion has to get 10 k tactical mitigation by reduction of physical ability, critical damage virtuality are completly lost in this game.
Have a nice day.

If u have to laugh, so do, but dont post it here how bad my english is.

Like the man says....

I will give you some general suggestions:
- Start threats less combatively. Always you may be wrong so it is better to start in a more friendly way so, if you were wrong you could learn anything.
- Ask for advice before raging. If you post some questions in the Champion forums, some people would help you hone your build/skillset.
- Do not take your experience as the real thing. You may consider Champion as &&&& in the moors but there are some people out there that shines with it.
- Try to use proper English instead of "slang" and separate ideas in paragraphs. English is not my language so I need to write as much as possible as taugh in academy... let English/American people to destroy their language by using "u" instead of "you", "u" is a character and not a word.

About the problem you comment:

I have a lvl 75 champion, but I will not play with it in the moors since I have problems playing Champion/Reaver in PVP (I am getting old). So it may be that Champion in the moors is not for you.
You comment that the guy in the video is not clicking his skills. That is the truth of playing as a Champion or many melee classes. You need to move camera with your mouse (much faster than keyboard) and use shortcuts for your skills. If you click your skills with the mouse, then you will never play well with your champion in the moors.

If you want to know the real state of the game, you need to play both sides and then you can judge. Go roll a Creep and try to earn your comms by PVPing. Then you can really judge. Roll a warg and join a pack, go against a well played champion... if he is alone you (your pack) will kill him but only after he kills you (as a 1 audacity warg).

I went with my Warden and Minstrel (two classes considered OP) to the moors and got destroyed. Why? I was not properly geared and my skill was not good enough. After gearing a bit my Warden I could manage to fight 2 creeps several times without dying (at least until I got tired and made some mistake... in some times after 20 minutes). One of the fully geared and skilled wardens in Evernight can fight against 6 wargs and not die.

I have fought afainst Champions with my warg, and properly using bubbles (true heroics and suddend defence) and other skills make them a force of nature.
Do you have maxed legacy for sudden defense? Do you use it a 5 fervour? Do you change to glory in order to use true heroics? Do you have legacy/trait for sprint? Some of the moors champs could give you some further advice (if you write less agresive).

Two things-I don't PvMP and I'm a healing minstrel so who knows why I'm even reading this thread (except game is down) but, being the helpful sort (healing minstrel, you know?) I did think I'd refer the OP to champion Athelious' youtube library. There are stacks of clips of him soloing group PvE content, PvP and PvMP. He's a helpful sort judging by posts/comments. (I don't know him other than from these.) I suggest you watch his skill rotations and and ask him through comments for guidance. I suspect the speed of reactions and reflexive correct choice of skills is something that can only be gained from lots of practice and having young fingers However he has advised people on his build and gear. There are 100s of his videos accessible at the top of the page this links to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hWtN...eature=related

Here he's dealing with weaver (ranged) (plus weavers' 'friends'). It was made this year so is still relevant.

Off topic: For those upset by the OP's poor English expression- I have read worse used in business reports that are handed in for assessment in many of the post secondary classes that I teach in Australia: this text speak/shorthand/ unpunctuated stuff is what passes for standard English written by many current students who have English as first/only language. (The English as second/third language writers are usually much better!) Welcome to the new world of "it's not my fault if you don't understand me-you must try harder!" i.e. it's the readers job to work out what I mean, not mine to express my ideas clearly. It's a Mad Hatter's tea party that the LOTRO forum posts are usually a pleasant escape from :P

Found some Champs also, which got 10k(even 14k) tactical mitigation. Wasn´t so as i started to skill myself for moors before moors set came out and audacity got implemented. I compared my attribute with those and had ever more than the average.

The patch changed alot and the best champs, even on our server (logged in yesterday for 1:1 cm) had over 11k life.
I mustnt say, that physical ability dropped down below 1400, that crit rate isnt worth to talk about. But well, they won against a BA which i fought 5 times and lost 5 times.

Therefore this link:
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...yths-about-PVP

This thread is written in proper english, and a must see.. Point 2. read that.

If now the "best" champs skilled themselves as tank to survive the high ranked creep attack does that sign what?
1. They were well informed which sort of damage is given out in moors by creeps.
2. A classical champ as dps heavy armored rushing into a close fight is no longer .......possibel.

12k Lifespan and 14k Tactical Mitigation in relation for the horrible reduced damage output is nothing else than that what i tell. Champ got a warden.

Creeps got enough lifespan, buffs, in relation by their life a good damage output.
Just the Freeps had to skill around like mad to avoid some .
Myth number two, creeps are underpowered is not a myth if:

1. Creep is still on rank 3-6 or 10 and total underskilled
2. a Poor player
3. someone who gets never enough damage and is graving for more.

Therefore is this thread made.
U gave me a good laugh and a great experience two write with some experienced *******.

Calta, if u couldnt understand this, could i translate it to spain language.
Mordekai thanks for your suggestion, be sure its all perfect, yes skills are for pvp set.
BirdofHermes i still wait for a video where a champ tanks two 10 ranked players WHICH CAN HANDLE THEIR SKILLS
YEAH I LOVE U ALL; REALLY

Originally Posted by Alphgard

BirdofHermes i still wait for a video where a champ tanks two 10 ranked players WHICH CAN HANDLE THEIR SKILLS
YEAH I LOVE U ALL; REALLY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCWFm...re=context-cha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpAKDrWhle8&feature=plcp

You're welcome.


There's a few good fights against multiple high ranks in there, although he starts with low ranks.


(Oh btw, you're still dead wrong. Champs don't have to sacrifice a lot of DPS, they sacrifice maybe 10%-15% but gain so much more. And they're nowhere near as tanky as a Warden or Guardian. Good Guardians and Wardens can just stand there and tank raids if they're targeted, a Champion has to run. Creeps still have nowhere near as good buffs as freeps, a captain single-handedly outbuffs all creep classes. And creep DPS is still poor. Also, why would the existence of unskilled rank 3-6 creeps mean that they're not underpowered? You don't have to PvP to rank you know. And when you do want to PvP, you can just join a raid. The same obviously goes for freeps, a freep doesn't need to be good to rank in EM. Just look at you, you're terrible and you still got ranks, at least you said you did.)

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

Good Guardians and Wardens can just stand there and tank raids if they're targeted, a Champion has to run.

No need to exagerate, the best geared/traited/skilled Warden in Evernight would die in seconds against a full raid , but can easily surive a Warg fellowship.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

If now the "best" champs skilled themselves as tank to survive the high ranked creep attack does that sign what?
1. They were well informed which sort of damage is given out in moors by creeps.
2. A classical champ as dps heavy armored rushing into a close fight is no longer .......possibel.

12k Lifespan and 14k Tactical Mitigation in relation for the horrible reduced damage output is nothing else than that what i tell. Champ got a warden.

Again ask in Champion forum. There are some Champions in Evernight that hit like trucks and survive quite well. They are not playing in glory at all.

Freeps are in general more powerful than creeps, if you cannot see that just roll a creep and see by yourself.
Freeps have similar defenses overall, more healing, more raw DPS (first ages), much more AOE, etc.

That is the way it was, it the the way it is now, and it is the way it will continue being (Turbine design policy).

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCWFm...re=context-cha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpAKDrWhle8&feature=plcp

You're welcome.


There's a few good fights against multiple high ranks in there, although he starts with low ranks.


(Oh btw, you're still dead wrong. Champs don't have to sacrifice a lot of DPS, they sacrifice maybe 10%-15% but gain so much more. And they're nowhere near as tanky as a Warden or Guardian. Good Guardians and Wardens can just stand there and tank raids if they're targeted, a Champion has to run. Creeps still have nowhere near as good buffs as freeps, a captain single-handedly outbuffs all creep classes. And creep DPS is still poor. Also, why would the existence of unskilled rank 3-6 creeps mean that they're not underpowered? You don't have to PvP to rank you know. And when you do want to PvP, you can just join a raid. The same obviously goes for freeps, a freep doesn't need to be good to rank in EM. Just look at you, you're terrible and you still got ranks, at least you said you did.)

fight at frame 8:00 .this guy would be killed here on imladris by our wargs just in a few seconds.Seriously, they fooling around with him. Did ground control very rarely, i counted 3.. Whole fight looks awesome but is kindergarden.

(Oh btw, you're still dead wrong. Champs don't have to sacrifice a lot of DPS,) True, i got that now and have to get used on the situation of those game that a great dps class got so nerved that he prefers Tank style, which helps to kill one out of 6.. What a waste of classical mmorpg class.
(And they're nowhere near as tanky as a Warden or Guardian)
absolutely true hermes. Nice point........The warden got now even more dps, even the tank has more physical mastery than a champion who is skilling moral 10.000 tactical Mitigation 12 000-14k.
therefore is the critrate now 3.5k crit(7,5k -10k), physical mastery 13.000 (usual 27k-30k), might 1460 if the defense set is taken otherwise 1000.

compare that with those tank, high ranked .
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1/144959613006495094 tank
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...9613007373182/ champ
And all that because the classical skill guide of a champ is, since lotro pushed up lifespan in combination with the done dps by a creep, ad acta.

ps: http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...26162587676318 my currently stats. physical mastery not shown is 27k.

Champs who skilled so, dont get me wrong. I cheer to u because u have fully understood how to manage Ettenmoors.

Originally Posted by MordecaiKell

No need to exagerate, the best geared/traited/skilled Warden in Evernight would die in seconds against a full raid , but can easily surive a Warg fellowship.

I guess it greatly for servers then, we have a handful of tanks here who go up in front and just stand there taking craid ranged fire. Some of them will casually walk back as if to say "that tickles, lol"

Originally Posted by Alphgard

absolutely true hermes. Nice point........The warden got now even more dps, even the tank has more physical mastery than a champion who is skilling moral 10.000 tactical Mitigation 12 000-14k.

I can honestly say your attitude is improving, well done.
Having more Physical Mastery than another class does not mean they have more DPS. It just increases the base damage of your skills, and in a Champ's case, they'll still do more damage even if their mastery is lower because Champion skills have a higher base damage than Guardian skills. (I don't have a Lv75 Warden so I won't comment on their damage)

therefore is the critrate now 3.5k crit(7,5k -10k), physical mastery 13.000 (usual 27k-30k), might 1460 if the defense set is taken otherwise 1000.

compare that with those tank, high ranked .
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1/144959613006495094 tank
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...9613007373182/ champ
And all that because the classical skill guide of a champ is, since lotro pushed up lifespan in combination with the done dps by a creep, ad acta.

ps: http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...26162587676318 my currently stats. physical mastery not shown is 27k.

That's very strange, I can't see any gear on those pages. Nor has the system updated your stats on there. I hope today's downtime doesn't have anything to do with it. At any rate, mix and match some Champ gear with more tank-orientated pieces to find a good combination of might and vitality. A total of near 3k should be fine, and it gives some room for extra mitigation and crit stats.
But anyway, most (if not all) classes need to adjust their stats, their LIs and their playstyle to be truly successful in PvP. So don't feel like you're alone in this, we've all been there.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Found some Champs also, which got 10k(even 14k) tactical mitigation

im closer to 15k. with food/+1hope horn im over 15k. along with close to 17k mastery and i believe 7-8k crit rating. (l2swapgear)

Originally Posted by Alphgard

fight at frame 8:00 .this guy would be killed here on imladris by our wargs just in a few seconds.Seriously, they fooling around with him. Did ground control very rarely, i counted 3.. Whole fight looks awesome but is kindergarden.

the reason they're running from me is because if you watch real close at the end of the video segment when i tab through their names all of the wargs (besides one) was at or under half health. which, at the time of the filming of this vid (before audacity), i could get close to knocking out with 1 brutal - clobber - merc strike

Originally Posted by Alphgard

that he prefers Tank style, which helps to kill one out of 6..

watch the video closer. I kill up to 5 i believe in one of the segments. you try that using your glass cannon build.

and also, i've only lost to a handful of people 1v1 across my entire server since RoI came out with the glory build i run. I don't use any sort of cooldown in any 1v1s even sprint/seeking/1min bubble (in most cases). i preferably like to fight zergs and freely pop my cds but none the less people want to 1v1 you anyways. woohoo for OPness!


the more you know!

Fact is, that the op isnt good champ. He's just used to easy facerolling on his champ and now when creeps, escpecially higher ranked ones arent as easy as they were before audacity time.
You need to adapt, glass cannon builds dont work in ettens anymore, you have to stack mitigations in order to become effective now, audacity did what it was supposed to do, slowed down the fights, you have to gear up differently now.

I found some of your points hilarious. Escpecially this one:
"Creeps got enough lifespan, buffs, in relation by their life a good damage output."
Thanks for the good laughs!

On a side not, champ is overpowered if you know how to play one, just look at Soleus :P

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Nope man, there is no champ with more mitigation than 4500Tactical leading the pvp list.

http://my.lotro.com/home/character/3...9937843117095/
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/3/147211412819849638
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/3/146085512913486873
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/5/146929937842993116
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/5/146929937845169064

Shall I continue?

Awesome vids there guys, I really enjoyed seeing those skills.

As a guard I have nowhere near the dps of a champ and frankly, I'm not very good at PvP.
It's fun to join my kinnies and soak up some damage for them though. Plus having no skill inductions has its advantages.

@ Alphguard: After reading this thread, me thinks you received quite a bit of goodwill and some good tips. Try to listen and put them to good use. And please, never, NEVER use VIP membership as a reason why a player should win in PvP. Actually using pay to win as a crutch is just... wrong.

Originally Posted by klover307

im closer to 15k. with food/+1hope horn im over 15k. along with close to 17k mastery and i believe 7-8k crit rating. (l2swapgear)



the reason they're running from me is because if you watch real close at the end of the video segment when i tab through their names all of the wargs (besides one) was at or under half health. which, at the time of the filming of this vid (before audacity), i could get close to knocking out with 1 brutal - clobber - merc strike



watch the video closer. I kill up to 5 i believe in one of the segments. you try that using your glass cannon build.

and also, i've only lost to a handful of people 1v1 across my entire server since RoI came out with the glory build i run. I don't use any sort of cooldown in any 1v1s even sprint/seeking/1min bubble (in most cases). i preferably like to fight zergs and freely pop my cds but none the less people want to 1v1 you anyways. woohoo for OPness!


the more you know!

. one out of 300.

Originally Posted by Vintaril

Awesome vids there guys, I really enjoyed seeing those skills.

As a guard I have nowhere near the dps of a champ and frankly, I'm not very good at PvP.
It's fun to join my kinnies and soak up some damage for them though. Plus having no skill inductions has its advantages.

@ Alphguard: After reading this thread, me thinks you received quite a bit of goodwill and some good tips. Try to listen and put them to good use.

Originally Posted by Vintaril

And please, never, NEVER use VIP membership as a reason why a player should win in PvP. Actually using pay to win as a crutch is just... wrong.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Alphgard
It is a bit perverted that we VIP keep that game running and u f2p crie for more skills heals >>> that we can be punished and that 100 percent. There will never be a perfect balance.

Never ever step in a thread and claim the opposite of what was written, thank you.

Originally Posted by dannypl

http://my.lotro.com/home/character/3...9937843117095/
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/3/147211412819849638
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/3/146085512913486873
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/5/146929937842993116
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/5/146929937845169064

Shall I continue?

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Found some Champs also, which got 10k(even 14k) tactical mitigation. Wasn´t so as i started to skill myself for moors before moors set came out and audacity got implemented. I compared my attribute with those and had ever more than the average.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

.......The warden got now even more dps, even the tank has more physical mastery than a champion who is skilling moral 10.000 tactical Mitigation 12 000-14k.
therefore is the critrate now 3.5k crit(7,5k -10k), physical mastery 13.000 (usual 27k-30k), might 1460 if the defense set is taken otherwise 1000.

compare that with those tank, high ranked .
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1/144959613006495094 tank
http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...9613007373182/ champ
And all that because the classical skill guide of a champ is, since lotro pushed up lifespan in combination with the done dps by a creep, ad acta.

ps: http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...26162587676318 my currently stats. physical mastery not shown is 27k.

Champs who skilled so, dont get me wrong. I cheer to u because u have fully understood how to manage Ettenmoors.

Why should u? its all said.

Dont miss this important lines from Hermes, i completly agree.

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

Having more Physical Mastery than another class does not mean they have more DPS. It just increases the base damage of your skills, and in a Champ's case, they'll still do more damage even if their mastery is lower because Champion skills have a higher base damage than Guardian skills. (I don't have a Lv75 Warden so I won't comment on their damage)

Originally Posted by lucky100x

Well I see two viable options...
1) Trolling
2) He just has no idea what he's talking about

im inclined to think 2, since he says mini's rarely in moors and that a reaver hits 2.2k on an apparently geared (champ?)

I didn't read his post, tldr, but a reaver hitting 2.2k on a geared champ is... ROFLMAOLOLMAOROFLMAO.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Never ever step in a thread and claim the opposite of what was written, thank you.

Well actually you did indeed state the argument that VIP players are being "punished" by the latest updates and that f2p (???) creeps received an unfair advantage. I do admit that I seem to have misunderstood your definition of a f2p player.

Its just an calculation of earnings. If there are enough slots to buy , and will be bought by free players as long will they be feeded with the advancements to kill VIP which pay monthly 8,99. Those 8,99 are planned already calculated in the books, but those extra earnings have to be done atractiv.let them slaughter the vip... . .only vip are in ettenmoor...and thats what i think how it goes.

But creeps can further skill themselves out, its not yet done. lots of skills wating to be unlocked and slots for skills wating to be unlocked by dollars and euros.
And i as a experienced PVP player of lastchaos runesofmagic aion americasarmy am not ready to look like a sheep without writing a new thread becouse new complainings about the huge damage of freeps and plz give us more technical heals for all creeps in group and so on.
While free player, VIP´s paying hundreds of euros cant further skill themselves in ettenmoor, once u took your armor with audacity its all done. No way out and now further possibilities, or does someone suggest that i have to buy with this points
PVP weapons , cloakes and stuff which are all, stil on lvl 48, 48 when was that ? there when freeps and creeps all were ranking 3 around and damage and lifespan was nearly equal?

1. this video is made befor the patch, befor audacity and befor creeps got more skills,due to their cries. thats ok but stop open every day new threads that freeps are overpowered. Thats lame. It is a bit perverted that we VIP keep that game running and u f2p crie for more skills heals that we can be punished and that 100 percent. There will never be a perfect balance.

So basically from what I get from these comments is this:
- You're talking about f2p creeps that can buy skills with money (bit of a contradiction there), where VIP freeps cannot buy further advancements.
- VIPs are being "punished" in EM by the latest updates to creeps, despite the fact that they are "keeping the game running".

Creeps that buy advancements with money aren't f2p players. Your definition of f2p seems pretty wonky to be honest: if I understand correctly, you're calling premium players (who don't pay monthly fees but rather buy some TP for advancements) f2p players. The fact that you are VIP doesn't mean that you are entitled to more power in the PvMP arena. Heck, if a f2p creep (if they even exist) manages to kill you without spending a single dime, that's just good skills. If a premium or VIP creep spends money on advancements, they are supporting the game just as much as you are.

So yeah, you appear to be using your VIP status as a crutch, claiming that it isn't fair that you're being "punished" by the advancements created on the creep side during the last update. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

. one out of 300.

Op is off a bit but there have been many good replies (although I only read to page 3). Thanks for the interesting thread though Op and to all you great commenters...*tips hat*..yes weavers wear hats!

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Now i unlocked the video. This champ is an excellent gamer one, u meet only once on a server
he s activating the skills not with the mouse, WITH AN EXTRA GAMEPAD? and is kiting nicely.
Most of the fights were with ranked 2 creeps. no fight with more than 3 creeps at the moment, nothing special, but indeed, a reason for those to complain that freeps are overpowered. Those video could be the base for all argues and however is wrong (not imposingly)due to the lack of the missing skills on creeps side. Till frame 6:30 wasnt there a seriously enemy (where i stopped to watch further)unless the last warg.He managed easily the last fight and thats why i say after i ve seen the style that he is one of 300
able to fight that style.
In the meanwhile he had to change that.
1. Warg disappears during the fight....to avoid crit chance raising of bubble. All enemies stayed in fight and didnt run like they do now.
2. He died even infight with lvl 2 ranked.

the bit in caps is where ur going wrong..all pros use gamepads

Originally Posted by eaade

use gamepads

pfttttt step up...

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8kMHMWJqgM
Watch this, you can see a champ taking on groups of 3-8 creeps. Sure, a lot of them are low ranks, but some are R10+

And even against low ranks, 1 vs 5+ is not exactly right now is it?

Interesting video. However, the biggest problem seems to be that most of the creeps fighting against that champ had no idea how to play LOTRO at all. I mean, there are two BAs and a few other creeps, but neither of them is kiting. They are all standing in a ball and allowing to slaughter themselves. Another case: a BA gets a bubble and has plenty of time to run to OC and replenish his morale. No, he just stands there with like 1k left and gets killed a few seconds later. Most of the wargs don't hips at all, they just die. Very bad timing on their behalf. I could have analyzed most of the features situations like that, but the conclusion is simple: people should l2p. And yes, wtb as many noob creeps as possible at our server!

I once saw a champ crying in global
that he got killed in the moors
A creep had gotten him onto all fours
Because he was not enough mobile

he then started raging
And calling for nerfs
Claiming that creep was a smurf
Devs said he was only staging

My three words for Alphgard:

Learn To Play

Originally Posted by Vintaril

Awesome vids there guys, I really enjoyed seeing those skills.

As a guard I have nowhere near the dps of a champ and frankly, I'm not very good at PvP.
It's fun to join my kinnies and soak up some damage for them though. Plus having no skill inductions has its advantages.

@ Alphguard: After reading this thread, me thinks you received quite a bit of goodwill and some good tips. Try to listen and put them to good use. And please, never, NEVER use VIP membership as a reason why a player should win in PvP. Actually using pay to win as a crutch is just... wrong.

i suggest you ask nanyun for advise on snowbourn for a dps guard built, his dps is crazy