Thread: Pvp unbalanced claimed by creeps side, indeed-------power them up slaugter the VIP!!!

Totaly unbalanced pvp starts when ranked 3 creeps complain in forum about the strong freeps.
Totaly unbalancing with new patches goes on when high buffed cc spamming wargs , BA even a warlord cant kill us quick enough.
There u see the tragic that warlords complain that we do to much damage while he does not get damage but want s to kill Freeps fast enough rushing alone into Elven Camp and survives dancing all over the map with all mobs behind him while hiding freeps get killed by ranked 3 creeps due to the outnumbering.

Champs stunn of 3 seconds and 5 seconds are very useless due to the long cast time of the skills and the 9/10 running away creeps if they arent 2 creeps. Shield and bubble are blown in a second,. A warg cc´s me two times in a fight if he doesnt flee and i have to use really all defense skills to survive that, from a rank 7-9while there is no running away, even this can be stunned. What is than to expect from a outskilled warg?

Its just an calculation of earnings. If there are enough slots to buy , and will be bought by free players as long will they be feeded with the advancements to kill VIP which pay monthly 8,99. Those 8,99 are planned already calculated in the books, but those extra earnings have to be done atractiv.let them slaughter the vip... . .only vip are in ettenmoor...and thats what i think how it goes.

Ministrel are with 7k life if good skilled in ettenmoor and done by two wargs in 3 seconds, the raid of freeps done.
An defiler , interrupted by a champ is done only with 4 ppl and 45 seconds, thats a huge time while he spamms healing on him and on other creeps.
The lifespan of creeps, lets look on a d3efiler ranked 7-8 is 14k a mini 7k, while defiler gets buffs of physical damage tactical damage stun, resistance.
It is like u hit on a rock and 150-500 damge u can hit him if u do not crit with a 2,5 damage with a first age weapon one handed which crits usualy with 7k but never on creeps indeed due to their armor, but why than those huge life span?

I admit, it is very hard, yes nearly IMPOssible as a rank 3 even skilled enough to kill a freep, but it hasnt to be managed on this lvl. _So, no claimings freeps are so strong.

check the fight logs and u see that skill lvl 3 of a creep defiler ranked 8 damaged u with 2.2k kp, that are by one hit 35 percent of the life from a champ, (7k exactly) even with good armor of 6554 (+630 of a virtue all lvl up to 14) which is the nearly the highest and audacity 7 and thats the point i say, enough. 3 such hits and u are blown.

But creeps can further skill themselves out, its not yet done. lots of skills wating to be unlocked and slots for skills wating to be unlocked by dollars and euros.
And i as a experienced PVP player of lastchaos runesofmagic aion americasarmy am not ready to look like a sheep without writing a new thread becouse new complainings about the huge damage of freeps and plz give us more technical heals for all creeps in group and so on.
While free player, VIP´s paying hundreds of euros cant further skill themselves in ettenmoor, once u took your armor with audacity its all done. No way out and now further possibilities, or does someone suggest that i have to buy with this points
PVP weapons , cloakes and stuff which are all, stil on lvl 48, 48 when was that ? there when freeps and creeps all were ranking 3 around and damage and lifespan was nearly equal?
My suggestion is, cheeky as i am, that Developer play my champ, or the ministrel of some which are all best skilled best equiped, go out and make your experience, but dont listen to ranked 3-5 creeps where a one hit is the best.
And we are not far away to be one hitted by creeps.
What do i write, didnt we got the Audacity Armor set? It lowers the might , will, agility, phyical damage, critrate , we got nerfed. Thats fact, but we cant withhold some seconds longer due to the audacity.
Oh and plz, do not say me i have to leave, it is respectless and off topic. And further is champ a pvp class, dont claim a champ cant survive in ettenmoor. just give them some pvp skills. In aion did i even kill a tank as champ, nothing is impossible and if one can do, not the whole class has to be nerfed, (runes of magic), top damage 14k as hunter payed extra money for .record damage nerfed the next day, due to complainings, i played that not one second longer.
The rating system is by far the worsest ive ever seen. I talked with some ppl around and they claim thats the reason why they stay out.
Here it goes.
I kill 6 creeps have an earning of 60 get killed by a single creep and still are in plus.
Get killed by a raid and get lowered immediatly with 40-60 ratings by one kill of creep raid.
I have a kill rate of 5.4 i died 800 times and killed 5.4 X creeps and my rating is , due to that that i got so much killed by groups and raids of creeps by 1100 . This rating doesnt reflect the good effort of killrate or how many highranked i killed, its sucked down mercyless if u get killed by a raid even with low ranked 3 immediatly worth nearly 10 kills u have to do.

All i want is test the pvp and dont hit the decisions on threads......even this thread ......is worthless if not read and not tested.
Thanks for patience and have fun all.

The biggest problem with PvP is the Gap between the freeps that dance on sarumans corpse and have the jewelry, cloak to match how much PvE they have done and freeps like you who have yet to dance on sarumans corpse frequently . i.e. Chily, Soleus - they are next to unstopable when traited 4 glory, a champ who does not have the top jewelry/cloak to go with there audacity will lose frequently to a proper warg. The only solution I can think of is to normalize crit chance/magnitude with the 'monster play' buff all freeps receive when entering the moors in such a way to not effect the freeps who havent put that much time into there jewelry, cloak etc.. maybe a cap?

edit - I feel the crit protection corruptions only further that gap, weak freeps feel weaker vs a creep who has crit protection on but those who have maxed there crit chance dont notice a creeps crit protection at all.

Minis with 7k morale can be done by 2 wargs in 3 secs ? in our dreams, yes, in reality no, true 2 wargs can kill a mini, but it takes time, and if the mini is skilled, he will kill us, i fought a mini with a r10 ba and a warg, the warg died, the r10 had 5k left, the mini then flopped, regained full moral ect... we did kill him in the end but to take this much dmg is op
Wardens ? they can tank a whole keep, they can withstand 6 creeps for minutes without their moral falling, glory champs are like half tanks with great dps.
Also, reavers are free, because they are supposed to encourage people to PvMP, therefore encouraging more people to buy a vip sub. ( but there's really nothing encouraging to play a low ranked reaver out there )
R0 have a few skills, r0 level 75 freep has all the skills, at r10 creeps get all their skills unless they buy them.
You're saying you want to advance ? if they let you advance more, minis will be equal to jet planes who can fully repair themselves and their jet buddies ( :P ), wardens would be walking fortresses, glory champs would be tanks who can have the dps of a battleship ... Theres a reason to why you can't advance.
Next time get your facts straight, I see wardens in pink dresses ( yes a pink dress ) pulling everyone on them without dying.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Totaly unbalanced pvp starts when ranked 3 creeps complain in forum about the strong freeps.
Totaly unbalancing with new patches goes on when high buffed cc spamming wargs , BA even a warlord cant kill us quick enough.
There u see the tragic that warlords complain that we do to much damage while he does not get damage but want s to kill Freeps fast enough rushing alone into Elven Camp and survives dancing all over the map with all mobs behind him while hiding freeps get killed by ranked 3 creeps due to the outnumbering.

Champs stunn of 3 seconds and 5 seconds are very useless due to the long cast time of the skills and the 9/10 running away creeps if they arent 2 creeps. Shield and bubble are blown in a second,. A warg cc´s me two times in a fight if he doesnt flee and i have to use really all defense skills to survive that, from a rank 7-9while there is no running away, even this can be stunned. What is than to expect from a outskilled warg?

Its just an calculation of earnings. If there are enough slots to buy , and will be bought by free players as long will they be feeded with the advancements to kill VIP which pay monthly 8,99. Those 8,99 are planned already calculated in the books, but those extra earnings have to be done atractiv.let them slaughter the vip... . .only vip are in ettenmoor...and thats what i think how it goes.

Ministrel are with 7k life if good skilled in ettenmoor and done by two wargs in 3 seconds, the raid of freeps done.
An defiler , interrupted by a champ is done only with 4 ppl and 45 seconds, thats a huge time while he spamms healing on him and on other creeps.
The lifespan of creeps, lets look on a d3efiler ranked 7-8 is 14k a mini 7k, while defiler gets buffs of physical damage tactical damage stun, resistance.
It is like u hit on a rock and 150-500 damge u can hit him if u do not crit with a 2,5 damage with a first age weapon one handed which crits usualy with 7k but never on creeps indeed due to their armor, but why than those huge life span?

I admit, it is very hard, yes nearly IMPOssible as a rank 3 even skilled enough to kill a freep, but it hasnt to be managed on this lvl. _So, no claimings freeps are so strong.

check the fight logs and u see that skill lvl 3 of a creep defiler ranked 8 damaged u with 2.2k kp, that are by one hit 35 percent of the life from a champ, (7k exactly) even with good armor of 6554 (+630 of a virtue all lvl up to 14) which is the nearly the highest and audacity 7 and thats the point i say, enough. 3 such hits and u are blown.

But creeps can further skill themselves out, its not yet done. lots of skills wating to be unlocked and slots for skills wating to be unlocked by dollars and euros.
And i as a experienced PVP player of lastchaos runesofmagic aion americasarmy am not ready to look like a sheep without writing a new thread becouse new complainings about the huge damage of freeps and plz give us more technical heals for all creeps in group and so on.
While free player, VIP´s paying hundreds of euros cant further skill themselves in ettenmoor, once u took your armor with audacity its all done. No way out and now further possibilities, or does someone suggest that i have to buy with this points
PVP weapons , cloakes and stuff which are all, stil on lvl 48, 48 when was that ? there when freeps and creeps all were ranking 3 around and damage and lifespan was nearly equal?
My suggestion is, cheeky as i am, that Developer play my champ, or the ministrel of some which are all best skilled best equiped, go out and make your experience, but dont listen to ranked 3-5 creeps where a one hit is the best.
And we are not far away to be one hitted by creeps.
What do i write, didnt we got the Audacity Armor set? It lowers the might , will, agility, phyical damage, critrate , we got nerfed. Thats fact, but we cant withhold some seconds longer due to the audacity.
Oh and plz, do not say me i have to leave, it is respectless and off topic. And further is champ a pvp class, dont claim a champ cant survive in ettenmoor. just give them some pvp skills. In aion did i even kill a tank as champ, nothing is impossible and if one can do, not the whole class has to be nerfed, (runes of magic), top damage 14k as hunter payed extra money for .record damage nerfed the next day, due to complainings, i played that not one second longer.
The rating system is by far the worsest ive ever seen. I talked with some ppl around and they claim thats the reason why they stay out.
Here it goes.
I kill 6 creeps have an earning of 60 get killed by a single creep and still are in plus.
Get killed by a raid and get lowered immediatly with 40-60 ratings by one kill of creep raid.
I have a kill rate of 5.4 i died 800 times and killed 5.4 X creeps and my rating is , due to that that i got so much killed by groups and raids of creeps by 1100 . This rating doesnt reflect the good effort of killrate or how many highranked i killed, its sucked down mercyless if u get killed by a raid even with low ranked 3 immediatly worth nearly 10 kills u have to do.

All i want is test the pvp and dont hit the decisions on threads......even this thread ......is worthless if not read and not tested.
Thanks for patience and have fun all.

You mad bro? Sounds like a freep complaining about creeps complaining. If you are getting beat as a champ in the moors, YOU are doing something wrong. Or else you have crafted gear.

Play a creep to rank 8 then come talk to us about how hard your freep has it and how strong creeps are.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Totaly unbalanced pvp starts when ranked 3 creeps complain in forum about the strong freeps.
Totaly unbalancing with new patches goes on when high buffed cc spamming wargs , BA even a warlord cant kill us quick enough.
There u see the tragic that warlords complain that we do to much damage while he does not get damage but want s to kill Freeps fast enough rushing alone into Elven Camp and survives dancing all over the map with all mobs behind him while hiding freeps get killed by ranked 3 creeps due to the outnumbering.

Champs stunn of 3 seconds and 5 seconds are very useless due to the long cast time of the skills and the 9/10 running away creeps if they arent 2 creeps. Shield and bubble are blown in a second,. A warg cc´s me two times in a fight if he doesnt flee and i have to use really all defense skills to survive that, from a rank 7-9while there is no running away, even this can be stunned. What is than to expect from a outskilled warg?

Its just an calculation of earnings. If there are enough slots to buy , and will be bought by free players as long will they be feeded with the advancements to kill VIP which pay monthly 8,99. Those 8,99 are planned already calculated in the books, but those extra earnings have to be done atractiv.let them slaughter the vip... . .only vip are in ettenmoor...and thats what i think how it goes.

Ministrel are with 7k life if good skilled in ettenmoor and done by two wargs in 3 seconds, the raid of freeps done.
An defiler , interrupted by a champ is done only with 4 ppl and 45 seconds, thats a huge time while he spamms healing on him and on other creeps.
The lifespan of creeps, lets look on a d3efiler ranked 7-8 is 14k a mini 7k, while defiler gets buffs of physical damage tactical damage stun, resistance.
It is like u hit on a rock and 150-500 damge u can hit him if u do not crit with a 2,5 damage with a first age weapon one handed which crits usualy with 7k but never on creeps indeed due to their armor, but why than those huge life span?

I admit, it is very hard, yes nearly IMPOssible as a rank 3 even skilled enough to kill a freep, but it hasnt to be managed on this lvl. _So, no claimings freeps are so strong.

check the fight logs and u see that skill lvl 3 of a creep defiler ranked 8 damaged u with 2.2k kp, that are by one hit 35 percent of the life from a champ, (7k exactly) even with good armor of 6554 (+630 of a virtue all lvl up to 14) which is the nearly the highest and audacity 7 and thats the point i say, enough. 3 such hits and u are blown.

But creeps can further skill themselves out, its not yet done. lots of skills wating to be unlocked and slots for skills wating to be unlocked by dollars and euros.
And i as a experienced PVP player of lastchaos runesofmagic aion americasarmy am not ready to look like a sheep without writing a new thread becouse new complainings about the huge damage of freeps and plz give us more technical heals for all creeps in group and so on.
While free player, VIP´s paying hundreds of euros cant further skill themselves in ettenmoor, once u took your armor with audacity its all done. No way out and now further possibilities, or does someone suggest that i have to buy with this points
PVP weapons , cloakes and stuff which are all, stil on lvl 48, 48 when was that ? there when freeps and creeps all were ranking 3 around and damage and lifespan was nearly equal?
My suggestion is, cheeky as i am, that Developer play my champ, or the ministrel of some which are all best skilled best equiped, go out and make your experience, but dont listen to ranked 3-5 creeps where a one hit is the best.
And we are not far away to be one hitted by creeps.
What do i write, didnt we got the Audacity Armor set? It lowers the might , will, agility, phyical damage, critrate , we got nerfed. Thats fact, but we cant withhold some seconds longer due to the audacity.
Oh and plz, do not say me i have to leave, it is respectless and off topic. And further is champ a pvp class, dont claim a champ cant survive in ettenmoor. just give them some pvp skills. In aion did i even kill a tank as champ, nothing is impossible and if one can do, not the whole class has to be nerfed, (runes of magic), top damage 14k as hunter payed extra money for .record damage nerfed the next day, due to complainings, i played that not one second longer.
The rating system is by far the worsest ive ever seen. I talked with some ppl around and they claim thats the reason why they stay out.
Here it goes.
I kill 6 creeps have an earning of 60 get killed by a single creep and still are in plus.
Get killed by a raid and get lowered immediatly with 40-60 ratings by one kill of creep raid.
I have a kill rate of 5.4 i died 800 times and killed 5.4 X creeps and my rating is , due to that that i got so much killed by groups and raids of creeps by 1100 . This rating doesnt reflect the good effort of killrate or how many highranked i killed, its sucked down mercyless if u get killed by a raid even with low ranked 3 immediatly worth nearly 10 kills u have to do.

All i want is test the pvp and dont hit the decisions on threads......even this thread ......is worthless if not read and not tested.
Thanks for patience and have fun all.

TL;DR

remove audacity.

moors partially fixed, move along to the next problem.

first off, sry, but I couldn't understand half of that, but from the sounds of it, 1) you haven't even touched creep side 2) you are a low rank freep 3) you have never figured out how many times freeps have been buffed due to forums as opposed to creeps and 4) there is obvious exaggeration... 2.2k hit from a r3 defiler XD. No creep class can hit 2.2k or even close...

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Totaly unbalanced pvp starts when ranked 3 creeps complain in forum about the strong freeps.
Totaly unbalancing with new patches goes on when high buffed cc spamming wargs , BA even a warlord cant kill us quick enough.
There u see the tragic that warlords complain that we do to much damage while he does not get damage but want s to kill Freeps fast enough rushing alone into Elven Camp and survives dancing all over the map with all mobs behind him while hiding freeps get killed by ranked 3 creeps due to the outnumbering.

Champs stunn of 3 seconds and 5 seconds are very useless due to the long cast time of the skills and the 9/10 running away creeps if they arent 2 creeps. Shield and bubble are blown in a second,. A warg cc´s me two times in a fight if he doesnt flee and i have to use really all defense skills to survive that, from a rank 7-9while there is no running away, even this can be stunned. What is than to expect from a outskilled warg?

Its just an calculation of earnings. If there are enough slots to buy , and will be bought by free players as long will they be feeded with the advancements to kill VIP which pay monthly 8,99. Those 8,99 are planned already calculated in the books, but those extra earnings have to be done atractiv.let them slaughter the vip... . .only vip are in ettenmoor...and thats what i think how it goes.

Ministrel are with 7k life if good skilled in ettenmoor and done by two wargs in 3 seconds, the raid of freeps done.
An defiler , interrupted by a champ is done only with 4 ppl and 45 seconds, thats a huge time while he spamms healing on him and on other creeps.
The lifespan of creeps, lets look on a d3efiler ranked 7-8 is 14k a mini 7k, while defiler gets buffs of physical damage tactical damage stun, resistance.
It is like u hit on a rock and 150-500 damge u can hit him if u do not crit with a 2,5 damage with a first age weapon one handed which crits usualy with 7k but never on creeps indeed due to their armor, but why than those huge life span?

I admit, it is very hard, yes nearly IMPOssible as a rank 3 even skilled enough to kill a freep, but it hasnt to be managed on this lvl. _So, no claimings freeps are so strong.

check the fight logs and u see that skill lvl 3 of a creep defiler ranked 8 damaged u with 2.2k kp, that are by one hit 35 percent of the life from a champ, (7k exactly) even with good armor of 6554 (+630 of a virtue all lvl up to 14) which is the nearly the highest and audacity 7 and thats the point i say, enough. 3 such hits and u are blown.

But creeps can further skill themselves out, its not yet done. lots of skills wating to be unlocked and slots for skills wating to be unlocked by dollars and euros.
And i as a experienced PVP player of lastchaos runesofmagic aion americasarmy am not ready to look like a sheep without writing a new thread becouse new complainings about the huge damage of freeps and plz give us more technical heals for all creeps in group and so on.
While free player, VIP´s paying hundreds of euros cant further skill themselves in ettenmoor, once u took your armor with audacity its all done. No way out and now further possibilities, or does someone suggest that i have to buy with this points
PVP weapons , cloakes and stuff which are all, stil on lvl 48, 48 when was that ? there when freeps and creeps all were ranking 3 around and damage and lifespan was nearly equal?
My suggestion is, cheeky as i am, that Developer play my champ, or the ministrel of some which are all best skilled best equiped, go out and make your experience, but dont listen to ranked 3-5 creeps where a one hit is the best.
And we are not far away to be one hitted by creeps.
What do i write, didnt we got the Audacity Armor set? It lowers the might , will, agility, phyical damage, critrate , we got nerfed. Thats fact, but we cant withhold some seconds longer due to the audacity.
Oh and plz, do not say me i have to leave, it is respectless and off topic. And further is champ a pvp class, dont claim a champ cant survive in ettenmoor. just give them some pvp skills. In aion did i even kill a tank as champ, nothing is impossible and if one can do, not the whole class has to be nerfed, (runes of magic), top damage 14k as hunter payed extra money for .record damage nerfed the next day, due to complainings, i played that not one second longer.
The rating system is by far the worsest ive ever seen. I talked with some ppl around and they claim thats the reason why they stay out.
Here it goes.
I kill 6 creeps have an earning of 60 get killed by a single creep and still are in plus.
Get killed by a raid and get lowered immediatly with 40-60 ratings by one kill of creep raid.
I have a kill rate of 5.4 i died 800 times and killed 5.4 X creeps and my rating is , due to that that i got so much killed by groups and raids of creeps by 1100 . This rating doesnt reflect the good effort of killrate or how many highranked i killed, its sucked down mercyless if u get killed by a raid even with low ranked 3 immediatly worth nearly 10 kills u have to do.

All i want is test the pvp and dont hit the decisions on threads......even this thread ......is worthless if not read and not tested.
Thanks for patience and have fun all.

Sorry, but even I find this ridiculous. Champs are currently one of the most powerful PvP classes, and those with top gear and top skills will not die unless creeps raid up. Not even a full fellowship can kill them if they don't want to be killed.
Also, it seems you have never tried playing a creep. 2.2k from a R3 Defiler? A R11 BA cannot hit 2.2k if you have decent Audacity.
My best suggestion for you is to gear up and practice. And try creeping every now and then to see how hard it is.

A Freep complaining.......expect more nerfs , Creeps.

"Samus1111111

first off, sry, but I couldn't understand half of that, but from the sounds of it, 1) you haven't even touched creep side 2) you are a low rank freep 3) you have never figured out how many times freeps have been buffed due to forums as opposed to creeps and 4) there is obvious exaggeration... 2.2k hit from a r3 defiler XD. No creep class can hit 2.2k or even close... "



1. not true
2. not true, am outskilled your answer is based on misscrediting and making my experience unbelievable. Old style of trolling.
3. freeps areonly buffed, when the group is perfect mixed.
4. that is true mate, thanks for the head up , i meant a REAVER but was fixed on the class defiler.

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

Sorry, but even I find this ridiculous. Champs are currently one of the most powerful PvP classes, and those with top gear and top skills will not die unless creeps raid up. Not even a full fellowship can kill them if they don't want to be killed.
Also, it seems you have never tried playing a creep. 2.2k from a R3 Defiler? A R11 BA cannot hit 2.2k if you have decent Audacity.
My best suggestion for you is to gear up and practice. And try creeping every now and then to see how hard it is.

Champs arent the most powerful pvp classes due to the fact of worse pvp skills, lcast time of skills, cd´s on pvp skills.
When i clicked on a devense skill for an example has the creep already done 2 seriously hits and i get ccd .
Creeps have dozens of skills, we freeps ever have to react, not acting from ourselves.
Poitions against poison, poiton against cc, poison against fear, mana drain,
all which is give us is lowering the armor 8 percent a gimmig not a useful skill, bleeding around 145, by a creep with 14k lifespan very useless will it cause 45-50 bleeding, checked by combat log. That are all gimmicks, powerfull in description useless in damage.

Like i wrote, do i have a full pvp gear, mixed even the armor to get the 700 crit bonus.
My audacity is 7
My crit chance is , after i worked on it again 7,5k top. Physical mastery dropped from 30 k to 26-28k in ettenmoor, depends on my gear.
Finesse 6264. Those are very good values, which arent possible for all champs.
I get killed by two wargs, those are enough ranked 6 outskilled(there is no raid or full group needed) That shows me that u never played a champ, u must not, becouse i report in. On the otherside i want to admit that i killed once 2 wargs in a row, but think they havent skilled their audacity. And am not interested to pawn low skilled creeps.

"Also, it seems you have never tried playing a creep. 2.2k from a R3 Defiler?"
Am sorry should be written reaver.
"My best suggestion for you is to gear up and practice" to do list: done

Originally Posted by Theoo

Minis with 7k morale can be done by 2 wargs in 3 secs ? in our dreams,

let it be 5 seconds, but it is true and one of the most reason u ll see mini s rarely in ettenmoor. They should get absolutley more than 10 k livespan to balance that out.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

but it is true and one of the most reason u ll see mini s rarely in ettenmoor. They should get absolutley more than 10 k livespan to balance that out.

It appears you are on the wrong server alph We have the opposite minstrel problem on BW

Originally Posted by Insane979

It appears you are on the wrong server alph We have the opposite minstrel problem on BW

Lool, if i could i would change

Well I see two viable options...
1) Trolling
2) He just has no idea what he's talking about

im inclined to think 2, since he says mini's rarely in moors and that a reaver hits 2.2k on an apparently geared (champ?)

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Totaly unbalanced pvp starts when ranked 3 creeps complain in forum about the strong freeps.
Totaly unbalancing with new patches goes on when high buffed cc spamming wargs , BA even a warlord cant kill us quick enough.
There u see the tragic that warlords complain that we do to much damage while he does not get damage but want s to kill Freeps fast enough rushing alone into Elven Camp and survives dancing all over the map with all mobs behind him while hiding freeps get killed by ranked 3 creeps due to the outnumbering.

Champs stunn of 3 seconds and 5 seconds are very useless due to the long cast time of the skills and the 9/10 running away creeps if they arent 2 creeps. Shield and bubble are blown in a second,. A warg cc´s me two times in a fight if he doesnt flee and i have to use really all defense skills to survive that, from a rank 7-9while there is no running away, even this can be stunned. What is than to expect from a outskilled warg?

Its just an calculation of earnings. If there are enough slots to buy , and will be bought by free players as long will they be feeded with the advancements to kill VIP which pay monthly 8,99. Those 8,99 are planned already calculated in the books, but those extra earnings have to be done atractiv.let them slaughter the vip... . .only vip are in ettenmoor...and thats what i think how it goes.

Ministrel are with 7k life if good skilled in ettenmoor and done by two wargs in 3 seconds, the raid of freeps done.
An defiler , interrupted by a champ is done only with 4 ppl and 45 seconds, thats a huge time while he spamms healing on him and on other creeps.
The lifespan of creeps, lets look on a d3efiler ranked 7-8 is 14k a mini 7k, while defiler gets buffs of physical damage tactical damage stun, resistance.
It is like u hit on a rock and 150-500 damge u can hit him if u do not crit with a 2,5 damage with a first age weapon one handed which crits usualy with 7k but never on creeps indeed due to their armor, but why than those huge life span?

I admit, it is very hard, yes nearly IMPOssible as a rank 3 even skilled enough to kill a freep, but it hasnt to be managed on this lvl. _So, no claimings freeps are so strong.

check the fight logs and u see that skill lvl 3 of a creep defiler ranked 8 damaged u with 2.2k kp, that are by one hit 35 percent of the life from a champ, (7k exactly) even with good armor of 6554 (+630 of a virtue all lvl up to 14) which is the nearly the highest and audacity 7 and thats the point i say, enough. 3 such hits and u are blown.

But creeps can further skill themselves out, its not yet done. lots of skills wating to be unlocked and slots for skills wating to be unlocked by dollars and euros.
And i as a experienced PVP player of lastchaos runesofmagic aion americasarmy am not ready to look like a sheep without writing a new thread becouse new complainings about the huge damage of freeps and plz give us more technical heals for all creeps in group and so on.
While free player, VIP´s paying hundreds of euros cant further skill themselves in ettenmoor, once u took your armor with audacity its all done. No way out and now further possibilities, or does someone suggest that i have to buy with this points
PVP weapons , cloakes and stuff which are all, stil on lvl 48, 48 when was that ? there when freeps and creeps all were ranking 3 around and damage and lifespan was nearly equal?
My suggestion is, cheeky as i am, that Developer play my champ, or the ministrel of some which are all best skilled best equiped, go out and make your experience, but dont listen to ranked 3-5 creeps where a one hit is the best.
And we are not far away to be one hitted by creeps.
What do i write, didnt we got the Audacity Armor set? It lowers the might , will, agility, phyical damage, critrate , we got nerfed. Thats fact, but we cant withhold some seconds longer due to the audacity.
Oh and plz, do not say me i have to leave, it is respectless and off topic. And further is champ a pvp class, dont claim a champ cant survive in ettenmoor. just give them some pvp skills. In aion did i even kill a tank as champ, nothing is impossible and if one can do, not the whole class has to be nerfed, (runes of magic), top damage 14k as hunter payed extra money for .record damage nerfed the next day, due to complainings, i played that not one second longer.
The rating system is by far the worsest ive ever seen. I talked with some ppl around and they claim thats the reason why they stay out.
Here it goes.
I kill 6 creeps have an earning of 60 get killed by a single creep and still are in plus.
Get killed by a raid and get lowered immediatly with 40-60 ratings by one kill of creep raid.
I have a kill rate of 5.4 i died 800 times and killed 5.4 X creeps and my rating is , due to that that i got so much killed by groups and raids of creeps by 1100 . This rating doesnt reflect the good effort of killrate or how many highranked i killed, its sucked down mercyless if u get killed by a raid even with low ranked 3 immediatly worth nearly 10 kills u have to do.

All i want is test the pvp and dont hit the decisions on threads......even this thread ......is worthless if not read and not tested.
Thanks for patience and have fun all.

Ohho, oh man i had such a good laugh out of this thanks a bunch. Wow i don't even know where to begin on this, so many things are just...wrong!

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Champs arent the most powerful pvp classes due to the fact of worse pvp skills, lcast time of skills, cd´s on pvp skills.

1. You have far better PvP skills than creeps
2. If by cast time you mean animation, creeps have that even worse due to lack of attack duration buffs, so no need to cry over it.
3. Ah yes, skill cooldowns, something creeps obviously don't have, it's not fair Why don't the nasty creeps get cooldowns? Oh wait...

When i clicked on a devense skill for an example has the creep already done 2 seriously hits and i get ccd .
Creeps have dozens of skills, we freeps ever have to react, not acting from ourselves.

First of all, even R15 creeps have less than half the skills of any Lv75 freep (maps not included). Or did you forget to buy skills past Lv40 on your Champion?
Secondly, you're obviously doing something wrong. I admit I don't have much PvP experience on my champ yet, but I do as Captain, Hunter, LM, RK, Burglar, Guardian and Mini. And from what my mate, who does play a PvP Champ, tells me, Champs are even easier to play than RKs. YOU have the advantage over creeps in terms of DPS and defense. YOU have to play agressively and send them running. YOU need to find the correct skill rotation and timing on defensive skills.

Poitions against poison, poiton against cc, poison against fear, mana drain,
all which is give us is lowering the armor 8 percent a gimmig not a useful skill, bleeding around 145, by a creep with 14k lifespan very useless will it cause 45-50 bleeding, checked by combat log. That are all gimmicks, powerfull in description useless in damage.

Obviously you have not played creep. Creeps need a lot more potions for freeps effects, since freeps have more effects to dish out. Not just your armour rend is pottable, so is your stun, your slow, your dot. Besides, you are not a debuffing class, you are a DPS class. Don't try to compare your debuffs to FIVE enemy classes' debuffs combined. If I compared my Reaver's debuffs to a LM's + a Burglar's debuff, that wouldn't be fair either now would it?
As for 45-50 dot, are you sure the creep wasn't being bubbled? That's insanely low for a champ with 26k mastery.

Like i wrote, do i have a full pvp gear, mixed even the armor to get the 700 crit bonus.
My audacity is 7
My crit chance is , after i worked on it again 7,5k top. Physical mastery dropped from 30 k to 26-28k in ettenmoor, depends on my gear.
Finesse 6264. Those are very good values, which arent possible for all champs.

Good, so your gear is fine. That's half of the work done. Now you just need to learn how to use it.

I get killed by two wargs, those are enough ranked 6 outskilled(there is no raid or full group needed)

That...that's just sad. I don't know whether I should laugh or cry.

That shows me that u never played a champ, u must not, becouse i report in.

I have played a Champ, but I admit I don't have enough EM experience. My kinnies and friends do.

"Also, it seems you have never tried playing a creep. 2.2k from a R3 Defiler?"
Am sorry should be written reaver.
"My best suggestion for you is to gear up and practice" to do list: done

2.2k from a Reaver is still terrible. What is your tactical mitigation in %? As a champ with 7 Audacity, even a Reaver's most powerful attack should never go over 1.5k on a devastate.

let it be 5 seconds, but it is true and one of the most reason u ll see mini s rarely in ettenmoor. They should get absolutley more than 10 k livespan to balance that out.

Hmmm now I'm thinking you're actually trolling, surely no one can be this clueless? Minstrels are the currently the best (and on my server, one of the most common) class in EM because they have insane burst DPS and will not go down due to non-induction healing.

Please post some more info on your mitigations, I cannot understand how you can take this much damage.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Champs arent the most powerful pvp classes due to the fact of worse pvp skills, lcast time of skills, cd´s on pvp skills.
When i clicked on a devense skill for an example has the creep already done 2 seriously hits and i get ccd .
Creeps have dozens of skills, we freeps ever have to react, not acting from ourselves.
Poitions against poison, poiton against cc, poison against fear, mana drain,
all which is give us is lowering the armor 8 percent a gimmig not a useful skill, bleeding around 145, by a creep with 14k lifespan very useless will it cause 45-50 bleeding, checked by combat log. That are all gimmicks, powerfull in description useless in damage.

Like i wrote, do i have a full pvp gear, mixed even the armor to get the 700 crit bonus.
My audacity is 7
My crit chance is , after i worked on it again 7,5k top. Physical mastery dropped from 30 k to 26-28k in ettenmoor, depends on my gear.
Finesse 6264. Those are very good values, which arent possible for all champs.
I get killed by two wargs, those are enough ranked 6 outskilled(there is no raid or full group needed) That shows me that u never played a champ, u must not, becouse i report in. On the otherside i want to admit that i killed once 2 wargs in a row, but think they havent skilled their audacity. And am not interested to pawn low skilled creeps.

"Also, it seems you have never tried playing a creep. 2.2k from a R3 Defiler?"
Am sorry should be written reaver.
"My best suggestion for you is to gear up and practice" to do list: done

let it be 5 seconds, but it is true and one of the most reason u ll see mini s rarely in ettenmoor. They should get absolutley more than 10 k livespan to balance that out.

Ok I see you mention that you got killed by 2 creeps, your right, its disgraceful. It should take at least 4 Wargs to kill you. The devs should buff you more right!!

Seriously though, I do believe you have not tried to play a Creep. Please try it out for a couple of weeks is all i'm saying.

I am not too sure about what you just said in that thread, but it sounds like you are the one complaining...more specifically you seem to be a Freep complaining about a Creep. I suppose you got killed by a Creep (or multiple creeps in the case of wargs) and aren't too happy about it.

The major moors problem is the large dps/cc/survivability of Freeps compared to Creeps.

It's a PvP zone, where you have to fighting thinking and planning individuals. If you don't like to die, go back to PvE World and fight the mindless NPCs you guys fight on a regular basis.

No Freep should be complaining about moors, unless it is about the sheer number of Wargs out :P.

Originally Posted by Laggus

Ok I see you mention that you got killed by 2 creeps, your right, its disgraceful. It should take at least 4 Wargs to kill you. The devs should buff you more right!!

Seriously though, I do believe you have not tried to play a Creep. Please try it out for a couple of weeks is all i'm saying.

well, i dont think, i know that u didnt read the thread. U just picked a line which could gave u a line of attack against the thread editor.
One mentions there is needed a raid , a group to kill a champ. I am exp3erienced and say 2 wargs finish that. If u dont believe4 that, skill a warg and u know whats possible.

And i told, i am done with skills and attributes, if i killed 2 wargs does that mean, that both were very useless skilled, havent any armory. fact. To turn my sentence and declare i want to be pushed and strengthed to kill 4 wargs is trolling pur. I am not in ettenmoor to mess with new creeps. Am in pvp zone to mess even with endgeared creeps. ok, and it turns soon out that i will lead the champ list from ettenmoor in this server, because all otheres ..........retreated. With the same or nearly the same rating points. And i already had a full group only champs in, one an experienced warg player and all we were the same opionion. Champs skills are bad in moors.

!"It's a PvP zone, where you have to fighting thinking and planning individuals. If you don't like to die, go back to PvE World and fight the mindless NPCs you guys fight on a regular basis."""

Thats the lamest trie to draw attention away from the points of the thread and implied that all points based on a worse loser with worse equip who cant manage the skills and is a soreloser that all written is ad acta.
Thanks for the trie, i expected U.

Everybody who talks about a skill rotation in ettenmoor is far away from being flexibel and skill proofed.
Every fight is differently and needs its own solution. It is not a hack and slash game, and yes, i played a creep and seen how skills basing on other skills.
On the debuffs , buffs a freep would be dreaming from.

Originally Posted by lucky100x

Well I see two viable options...
1) Trolling
2) He just has no idea what he's talking about

im inclined to think 2, since he says mini's rarely in moors and that a reaver hits 2.2k on an apparently geared (champ?)

I agree.. He is JUST TROLLING..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8kMHMWJqgM
Watch this, you can see a champ taking on groups of 3-8 creeps. Sure, a lot of them are low ranks, but some are R10+

And even against low ranks, 1 vs 5+ is not exactly right now is it?

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

2.2k from a Reaver is still terrible. What is your tactical mitigation in %? As a champ with 7 Audacity, even a Reaver's most powerful attack should never go over 1.5k on a devastate.

Tactical Mit. 4615

...Problem Solved...

Originally Posted by dannypl

Tactical Mit. 4615

...Problem Solved...

my tactical mitigation is 4572 , wished that could be raised without losing dps.

couldnt watch yet the video, it is blocked in germany.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

my tactical mitigation is 4572 , wished that could be raised without losing dps.

couldnt watch the video, is blocked in germany, and will look that.

Right well many other champs have double that much mitigation, so it is possible. There's a certain balance you have yet to achieve so don't act like your toon is fully geared.

Originally Posted by dannypl

Tactical Mit. 4615

...Problem Solved...

Ah, there's your problem. Try to get at least 10k tactical mitigation, preferably more. Unless you're going in Glory build, then anything above 8k is fine.

Do I sense another of Pureblood's troll accounts?

champs have bad skills?? &&& are you talking about....I don't even have audacity gear and I can win against creeps with full audacity, if I would go and get audacity gear for my champ I would be facerolling most creeps it is that easy, maybe you should L2P.

that 2.2k hit was either very very lucky or with dying rage or your mits simply suck, we would be lucky to hit half of that most of the time while champs crit 2k+ with each brutal strikes and 6k devs with remors, brother please, stop trolling.

oh you got killed by 2 wargs is it? I don't see what the problem is?? you say you don't want 4 wargs yet you complain you got killed by 2... what is it then? you want to be able to faceroll 2 good wargs but 4 would be too much? any class that gets jumped by 2 players should DIE(sadly it is not the case for some freep classes).

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8kMHMWJqgM
Watch this, you can see a champ taking on groups of 3-8 creeps. Sure, a lot of them are low ranks, but some are R10+

And even against low ranks, 1 vs 5+ is not exactly right now is it?

Now i unlocked the video. This champ is an excellent gamer one, u meet only once on a server
he s activating the skills not with the mouse, with an extra game pad? and is kiting nicely.
Most of the fights were with ranked 2 creeps. no fight with more than 3 creeps at the moment, nothing special, but indeed, a reason for those to complain that freeps are overpowered. Those video could be the base for all argues and however is wrong (not imposingly)due to the lack of the missing skills on creeps side. Till frame 6:30 wasnt there a seriously enemy (where i stopped to watch further)unless the last warg.He managed easily the last fight and thats why i say after i ve seen the style that he is one of 300
able to fight that style.
In the meanwhile he had to change that.
1. Warg disappears during the fight....to avoid crit chance raising of bubble. All enemies stayed in fight and didnt run like they do now.
2. He died even infight with lvl 2 ranked.

Originally Posted by Rugba

champs have bad skills?? &&& are you talking about....I don't even have audacity gear and I can win against creeps with full audacity, if I would go and get audacity gear for my champ I would be facerolling most creeps it is that easy, maybe you should L2P.

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oh you got killed by 2 wargs is it? I don't see what the problem is?? you say you don't want 4 wargs yet you complain you got killed by 2... what is it then? you want to be able to faceroll 2 good wargs but 4 would be too much? any class that gets jumped by 2 players should DIE(sadly it is not the case for some freep classes).

Harhar, u ask, u dont know what the problem is. plz read the thread.

There is a breakeven by the ranks of creeps and bought skills where the FIXED Freeps cant withstand. Those rank is at each class differently.
And i admit, that not each class of freeps are completly lost there.
Nothing more nothing less i would messaging over this thread.

!"hat 2.2k hit was either very very lucky or with dying rage or your mits simply suck, we would be lucky to hit half of that most of the time while champs crit 2k+ with each brutal strikes and 6k devs with remors, brother please, stop trolling."

Stop calling me brother and blame me for trolling while u lie.-- I tested all setups and pimped up what was ablle to do. We champs are fare away even with a 2handed weapon to do 6 krit damage on a armored creep. Limit was 4.3 k.

Originally Posted by dannypl

Right well many other champs have double that much mitigation, so it is possible. There's a certain balance you have yet to achieve so don't act like your toon is fully geared.

no champ in ettenmoor who s on top list has more mitigation than me as long ive seen. That are wrong infos.

10k tactical mitigation is only to get over an huge drop of damage skills and attribution and is far away from a champs playstyle. (i claim that there arent jewelleries, virtues and armor to bring it up to that)wake up

Watch the entire video, he also fights multiple rank 9+
And no, it's not "once on a server", there are plenty out there like that.
AND keep in mind he was in Fervour the whole time, if he wanted to, he could have just gone Glory for easymode.
And about no other champ on top list having more mitigation, please...either you're lying through your teeth or you're the only high ranked champ on your server. You go for full damage and no survivability, which is not a good idea in EM. What's the point if you can only get 1 kill before you die in a group of creeps, isn't it better to get 3 or 4 kills and survive, even if it takes longer?

Originally Posted by Alphgard

no champ in ettenmoor who s on top list has more mitigation than me as long ive seen. That are wrong infos.

There we go. I was waiting for the confirmation this was a troll. The "No one has more mitigation than me. Therefore you are wrong" was the one I was looking for.

Seriously, mate. If you're telling the truth about your stats and you lost to two Wargs, you're doing something wrong. Or you have some awesomely skilled Wargies on your server.

My guess is the former. And a bit of trolling for effect.

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

Watch the entire video, he also fights multiple rank 9+
And no, it's not "once on a server", there are plenty out there like that.
AND keep in mind he was in Fervour the whole time, if he wanted to, he could have just gone Glory for easymode.
And about no other champ on top list having more mitigation, please...either you're lying through your teeth or you're the only high ranked champ on your server. You go for full damage and no survivability, which is not a good idea in EM. What's the point if you can only get 1 kill before you die in a group of creeps, isn't it better to get 3 or 4 kills and survive, even if it takes longer?

Nope man, there is no champ with more mitigation than 4500Tactical leading the pvp list. As far ive seen and i watched a while on their setups befor i started ettenmoor.
Yes, i go for full dps.

Originally Posted by Alphgard

Nope man, there is no champ with more mitigation than 4500Tactical leading the pvp list. As far ive seen and i watched a while on their setups befor i started ettenmoor.
Yes, i go for full dps.

...Okay, now I'm convinced, you are indeed a troll. No one can fail this hard.

I cannot understand anything this person is trying to say.

Which further leads me to believe it is Pureblood... again....

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

...Okay, now I'm convinced, you are indeed a troll. No one can fail this hard.

how is it possible that someone like u and your behavior has so much reputation in forum? Just a Question.

My last opinion for u.
U meant a 2.2k damage of a reaver is heavy but not often, depends on tactical mitigation.

Reaver is a melee class, and does physical damage. I think u meant physical mitigation instead of tactical mitigation.
Which is a great difference.
To avoid physical damage u need , logically physical mitigation and thats around 8k.

I say to u the last time that. stop getting personaly. dont blame me for your uneducation, dont blame me if i die by creeps when they reached once rank 8 which is part of the game. Get it that a rank 8 creep is just about to start to learn the advanced skills. And here on Imladris, i can be proud, are very good creep players and its really fun to mess with them.
I used for an example cutter today which makes 8 percent reducin armor and got today armor reduce of a creep, the first time since i play of 1700.mine is 829 aftr i set up my li Sword. Those differences and advancements for the creeps are exactly what i mean.
And yes, i got today again more than 2400 damage of a reaver.
Now do your homework, save your reputation and inform yourself about MITIGATION and stop misscredit me.
thank you

Originally Posted by Alphgard

how is it possible that someone like u and your behavior has so much reputation in forum? Just a Question.

I have so much reputation because I help people out as often as I can. I tried it with you as well, but you covered your ears and went LALALALA I KNOW BETTER, despite the fact you came here because you have a problem in PvP. You think the problem is creeps, and the community says the problem is you. We provide tips, you ignore them and persist that the rest of the world is wrong and that you must be right.

My last opinion for u.
U meant a 2.2k damage of a reaver is heavy but not often, depends on tactical mitigation.

Reaver is a melee class, and does physical damage. I think u meant physical mitigation instead of tactical mitigation.
Which is a great difference.
To avoid physical damage u need , logically physical mitigation and thats around 8k.

No. In case you didn't know, the mitigation system has changed since RoI, they are split up in type mitigation and source mitigation. Type mitigation is the important one, it mitigates damage types; Physical Mitigation on freep side is now only for Common damage and Tactical Mitigation is for Shadow, Frost, Fire, Acid and Lightning. Reavers do fire damage starting from rank 3, therefor tactical mitigation is what you need. And not only for Reavers; BAs have fire, Spiders have acid, Wargs have shadow, WLs have a few Shadow, and Defilers have a combination.
Source mitigation, the other one, is basically what it's always been except that you don't get it from mitigation stats anymore, only from certain buffs which reduce incoming damage. (Such as ON buff, or Heavy Shield's -10% ranged damage buff).
This is all basic gameplay mechanics, and yet you do not know about it. Huh. Something tells me those other "top ranked" champions on your server will know about this.

I say to u the last time that. stop getting personaly. dont blame me for your uneducation, dont blame me if i die by creeps when they reached once rank 8 which is part of the game.

My uneducation? And yet here I am explaining basic game mechanics to you. Go figure.

Get it that a rank 8 creep is just about to start to learn the advanced skills. And here on Imladris, i can be proud, are very good creep players and its really fun to mess with them.
I used for an example cutter today which makes 8 percent reducin armor and got today armor reduce of a creep, the first time since i play of 1700.mine is 829 aftr i set up my li Sword. Those differences and advancements for the creeps are exactly what i mean.
And yes, i got today again more than 2400 damage of a reaver.
Now do your homework, save your reputation and inform yourself about MITIGATION and stop misscredit me.
thank you

That made me lol. You're completely clueless about the game and yet you try to insult me. You get a D for effort though, could've gotten a C if only you would wield some proper grammar and spelling.

brother please, stop trolling.

you are probably running around the moors naked if reavers are hitting you for those amounts so much(you obviously DON'T have audacity at rank 7, you must be imagining things) you don't even know how mitigations work.

oh yea almost forgot!, brother please, stop trolling.

you probably don't have half the experience I do in the moors yet you still think you know better(and you do it to everyone in this thread), so I will just keep calling you a troll.

The trolling is strong on this one!

... okay 'seriously' now.. gotta ask, whats a warlord?

Originally Posted by BirdofHermes

That made me lol. You're completely clueless about the game and yet you try to insult me. You get a D for effort though, could've gotten a C if only you would wield some proper grammar and spelling.

Not sure the 'spelling and grammar' thing may apply if he has already stated he is from Germany.
It's likely there is a miscommunication in the translation and he's confused about the technicalities of the game and is simply stating on what he knows best, which may well be false.
No need to pull out the 'you're an idiot because you cant speak well' card.