Hi, i was wondering if someone could help me out with this question i have. What are the most important add-ons for a captain when picking out their armor (bonus stats, and stuff like ICPR.) How do you prioritize those things when picking out armor?
Thanks, now where would physical mastery factor into this and how do you make sure that you dont run out of power when you slot items that have crit rating and might most of the time?
Hi, i was wondering if someone could help me out with this question i have. What are the most important add-ons for a captain when picking out their armor (bonus stats, and stuff like ICPR.) How do you prioritize those things when picking out armor?
It's hard to answer vague posts like this Dreamer because there are so many contributing and changing factors that can affect what what should be priortized. Ultimately it will depend primarily on your individual style of Captain. For example - if you are playing a Leader of Men Captain you are obviously going to want to prioritize vitality more than a Hands of Healing Captain would.
But generally I would say this:
Prioritize In-Combat-Power regen and Power until you no longer have power issues.
Prioritize Vitality (or other defensive stats like Moral, Moral-regen or Mitigations/Avoidances) until dying is no longer an issue.
Prioritze Agility until you are no longer missing too much.
Then I would concentrate on boosting your masteries and critical rating - which can be done through stats like Might/Agility/Fate or directly through more specific areas like raw Physical or Tactical Mastery and Critical Rating.
So basically just prioritize your weaknesses until they are no longer weaknesses. Then concentrate on building up your strengths - which will vary depending on what style of Captain you play.
To be honest, if you want to be extremely effective in any healing or DPS role, hit 2k might first. That will put your outgoing healing at around 40%+ (possibly closer to 45% depending on how you do it). Outgoing healing has a cap of 50%.
A crit rating of around 8.5k will give you 20% base crit, which is sufficient for the captain.
Most of your ICPR will likely come from relics and a bracelet. Use your relics to your advantage. Many of the True relics are still some of the best there are.
If you are tanking, you need to stack vitality - so you will need a separate set of LoM gear.
And please leave the tactical gear (will/fate) for the tactical classes.
Last edited by Almagnus1; Jul 04 2012 at 02:00 PM.
Thanks, now where would physical mastery factor into this and how do you make sure that you dont run out of power when you slot items that have crit rating and might most of the time?
Two of your three brother skills (blade, shield, song) provide +power when you use Inspire, so inspire should become your go-to spam skill (you'll also be able to share that fellowship-wide once you hit lvl 58 roughly).
Rallying Cry can also be set up to return power.
Between those two, I don't have power issues.
As for Phys Mastery - I ignore it because I don't see our role as a DPS class; instead, I see it as a healing class. I want to hit 50% outgoing healing and 25% crit chance, so that my healing is absolutely nuts.
Two of your three brother skills (blade, shield, song) provide +power when you use Inspire, so inspire should become your go-to spam skill (you'll also be able to share that fellowship-wide once you hit lvl 58 roughly).
I think that's in the 50's. Unless I'm mistaken, FB is one of the book Legendaries, and the captain has had Shield Bro for long before then. Unfortunately both Song and Blade aren't received until the captain is in their 70's (way to go Turbine for not rearranging skill acquisition to make sense).
To be honest, if you want to be extremely effective in any healing or DPS role, hit 2k might first. .
I'm confused about something - so maybe you can help this clear this up.
If the way you arrange your stats makes you so "extremely effective" at healing like you say... why then are you always on these forums arguing about how our Captain Healing isn't good enough and needs to be buffed?
I'm confused about something - so maybe you can help this clear this up.
If the way you arrange your stats makes you so "extremely effective" at healing like you say... why then are you always on these forums arguing about how our Captain Healing isn't good enough and needs to be buffed?
A big fish in a small pond thinks their uber.
A big fish in the ocean realizes how insignificant they really are.
No it is definitely not lack of skill. What's really going through my head with healing:
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LtC and non-capstone heal around 80% (or better) of HoH's healing, but HoH does not put out 80% of LtC's DPS (closer to half).
Therefore, HoH needs either a DPS or a healing buff. Given what the HoH line is about, a healing buff is the only real option.
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Again, you absolutely need to step outside of your comfort zone so you can learn to see HoH from a different point of view.
Everybody thinks that where they are is alright, especially if they don't know any better.
No it is definitely not lack of skill. What's really going through my head with healing:
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LtC and non-capstone heal around 80% (or better) of HoH's healing, but HoH does not put out 80% of LtC's DPS (closer to half).
Therefore, HoH needs either a DPS or a healing buff. Given what the HoH line is about, a healing buff is the only real option.
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Again, you absolutely need to step outside of your comfort zone so you can learn to see HoH from a different point of view.
Everybody thinks that where they are is alright, especially if they don't know any better.
Sorry but no.
I've played with some of the best Ministrels and Lead the Charge Captains out there - and I still feel the healing Hands of Healing Captains can put out is more than adequate and deffinitely no where near being "insignificant".
It has absolutely nothing to do with me needing to "step outside of my comfort zone". So to use a southern expression "You coudn't be wronger" about that. So regardless of what you may think, not all of us Hands of Healing Captains out there who are satisified with our healing are just "big fish in little ponds" who just don't know any better due to a lack of "stepping outside our comfort zones".
Also I didn't even mention "lack of skill" in my post. So I have no clue why you even brought that up. Another example of you imagining I said things I never did and arguing with them.
I've played with some of the best Ministrels and Lead the Charge Captains out there - and I still feel the healing Hands of Healing Captains can put out is more than adequate and deffinitely no where near being "insignificant".
It has absolutely nothing to do with me needing to "step outside of my comfort zone". So to use a southern expression "You coudn't be wronger" about that. So regardless of what you may think, not all of us Hands of Healing Captains out there who are satisified with our healing are just "big fish in little ponds" who just don't know any better due to a lack of "stepping outside our comfort zones".
Also I didn't even mention "lack of skill" in my post. So I have no clue why you even brought that up. Another example of you imagining I said things I never did and arguing with them.
Q: If this is anywhere close to accurate about the captain healing abilities, why is the dominant raid build 4 red/3 blue (and arguably LtC) and not HoH?
I've played with some of the best Ministrels and Lead the Charge Captains out there - and I still feel the healing Hands of Healing Captains can put out is more than adequate and deffinitely no where near being "insignificant".
LtC > HoH 7days a week. (5red+2blue)
LtC Is both good heals and dps, HoH was good heals and never was dps
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Q: If this is anywhere close to accurate about the captain healing abilities, why is the dominant raid build 4 red/3 blue (and arguably LtC) and not HoH?
A: You're overrating HoH's capability.
I'll answer this one: People are dumb.
If you're going 4 red/3 blue, you're significantly undercutting your ability to heal. 5 red/2 blue or 5 blue/2 red will give you far, far more healing capability - the former because of the significantly increased chance to get a crit response (note I did not say "to crit"), and the latter because of the significantly increased healing from any given skill.
HoH is still supreme in situations with a high number of monster deaths. If you're getting kills left and right, you don't need to crit. A captain with 3 pieces of moors gear and an HoH build will be able to completely maintain his group's health (and power) without the minnie/rk healing in most situations with a high number of mobs. With a low number of mobs (especially single-target vs a boss), a high crit rate build is better since it will result in a higher number of RCs, but the 3 pieces of moors gear are totally unneeded, and a captain will in no way be able to heal the instance.
Q: If this is anywhere close to accurate about the captain healing abilities, why is the dominant raid build 4 red/3 blue (and arguably LtC) and not HoH?
A: You're overrating HoH's capability.
What's not accurate about Captain Healing abilities?
How am I overrating HoH's capability?
Give me specefics please, cause I have no clue what I said in that post you are calling inaccurate.
A: No I'm not overrating HoH's capability. Nor do I agree with those assumptions you are using as the premis of your debate.
Try some reading comprehension next time, its only two lines for crying out loud... He didn't say LTC "OUT-HEALED" HoH, he said it was better based upon the fact that it obviously has the best offense of our trait lines and still remains strong in the healing department.
Try some reading comprehension next time, its only two lines for crying out loud... He didn't say LTC "OUT-HEALED" HoH, he said it was better based upon the fact that it obviously has the best offense of our trait lines and still remains strong in the healing department.
Transpec, we are talking about healing as a HoH Captain - and the post said this:
LtC > HoH 7 days of the week. How else am I suppose to take that if not that they can outheal them?
Anyways if that's not what he meant I can withdraw the remark. But it has nothing to do with my "reading comprehension" as that was a perfectly reasonable thing to take away from that post ^^ What else was I suppose to assume he was meaning? That they could out-dps HoH Captains 7 days a week? Well no &&&&... it's the dps line lol
Well if you would have read the second line, which it appears you did not even after quoting it, you would have noticed the correlation between the two(2) lines. One can easily infer, based upon his two(2) lines. that he was specifically speaking of LTC's "good" DPS + "good" healing yielding better results, seven days a week even, in his opinion.
Well if you would have read the second line, which it appears you did not even after quoting it, you would have noticed the correlation between the two(2) lines. One can easily infer, based upon his two(2) lines. that he was specifically speaking of LTC's "good" DPS + "good" healing yielding better results, seven days a week even, in his opinion.
Transpec no matter what he meant, I still disagree with what he said. LtC Captains are not just better than HoH Captains. It was just a silly statement IMHO, and both trait-lines have their own worth. One is better at dpsing. One is better at healing.
The fact I may have misunderstood what he meant is a fair point, but it misses the larger issue - and that is I still disagree with what he said and STILL find it nonsense.
Hi, i was wondering if someone could help me out with this question i have. What are the most important add-ons for a captain when picking out their armor (bonus stats, and stuff like ICPR.) How do you prioritize those things when picking out armor?
since you're still leveling i'd prioritize crit, and then morale, vitality, might/physical mastery at about the same levels. If you find yourself not having any problems with your durability, then go get more might.
Until you hit 65, the gear is designed so that it has a relatively even distribution of stats, so it's kind of hard to min/max one stat in particular stat, except for maybe jewelry. 65-75 is where the gear revamp took place, and it's pretty hard to turn down an earring that has +100 might on it when your current is only +30, or something crazy like that.
A table that some might find interesting. Ignoring +tactical mastery, how much might is a specific percentage of outgoing healing. Multiply a value by 10, and that's how much tactical mastery, this table can also be used to gage how much +tactical mastery you need to get the next few percentage points.
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