You're not the only one. I didn't think much of it on Canada Day given that the game is, well, not set in a place where Canada even exists but also because the game and series in general is so international. I had no issue with Canada not being singled out because that would mean they would be obligated to do something for every single country, or at least every major country, that plays the game. It would be too much and people would end up feeling slighted if their country wasn't recognized.
If the game company was based in Canada, I'd expect them to celebrate the big Canadian holidays. Same if they were based in the UK, or Germany, or the Netherlands, or France, etc., I'd expect the same. But they happen to be an American company so they are celebrating our country's birthday. There's no slight there. C'mon.
Only US holidays get noticed generally. We did get a Diamond Jubilee lottery but I don't think we get Bastille Day or Mexican Independence Day or other national holidays either. Not even May Day (International Workers Day).
iirc: only Tolkien based LOTR holidays are specd but a few others slip in from time to time.
I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! <Your winnings, sir.>
[sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
If the game company was based in Canada, I'd expect them to celebrate the big Canadian holidays. Same if they were based in the UK, or Germany, or the Netherlands, or France, etc., I'd expect the same. But they happen to be an American company so they are celebrating our country's birthday. There's no slight there. C'mon.
Actually it is. It's ignorant, nationalistic and not even the least bit sensitive to the all of the other people who do not live in the USA. Tolkien is British and even that's up for debate atm in the UK.
But being Born In The USA, I'm popping fireworks tonight!
I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! <Your winnings, sir.>
[sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
Seriously, I agree that it is in poor form for a game with such a broad international player base to honor one country's national holiday with a lottery and ignore others. True, Turbine is a US company, and, true, there are many countries to consider, but it should not be unduly difficult to settle upon and acknowledge just one special day per year for each country with an inconsequential lottery such as today's.
However, let's not get too torqued; this is just a lottery for some fireworks and vendor trash.
Unfortunately I have never seen any MMO I have played celebrate anything other than US holidays. I kind of understand why because they are US based but since people world wide play the game they either should not celebrate any RL holidays or try to celebrate at least the major countries holidays.
We're not exactly talking about having The Republic Of Congo Day here. This is CANADA. We are the US's closest allies, and, quite frankly, a large percent of LOTRO's player base.
To not mention Canada Day is a bit of a misstep.
It reminds me of the baseball all star game in 2009. Cheryl Crow came out to do the American national anthem, and then the Canadian anthem was some horrid 50 year old recording. Very disrespectful for Justin Morneau, who is Canadian and who was involved in the game.
Can you imagine the response if the opposite were to happen at a Maple Leafs game?
Just be glad there's even such a thing as lotteries for special occassions, with funny prizes and an above average chance to win.
Is this some kind of minority complex thing between US and CND that is popping up here? Don't let that interfere from having fun in this game and it's features. Just don't. You CND's rock way more than the US anyway. Take that from this side of the Atlantic pond
Are you kidding me? Is this a real thread? Are these real replies? Good lord.
It's an American company...why would they bother with other countries' holidays? It's not a slight...in the slightest.
I swear LOTRO players will be upset and offended by anything. Stop whining. If you don't like it, feel free to stop enjoying Turbine's free service.
And before you start with "thanks for your input, American fanboy," I should mention that I'm quite anti-Turbine at the moment, and posting from Canada.
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On treasures and flesh never few.
Actually it is. It's ignorant, nationalistic and not even the least bit sensitive to the all of the other people who do not live in the USA. Tolkien is British and even that's up for debate atm in the UK.
But being Born In The USA, I'm popping fireworks tonight!
I don't for a minute believe it was an intentional slight on Turbine's part. It WAS however a slight. Honestly I think they shouldn't be celebrating American holidays if they are not going to do the big ones for other countries represented in the playerbase.
Not saying do every holiday for every country, just the major major ones.
We're not exactly talking about having The Republic Of Congo Day here. This is CANADA. We are the US's closest allies, and, quite frankly, a large percent of LOTRO's player base.
To not mention Canada Day is a bit of a misstep.
It reminds me of the baseball all star game in 2009. Cheryl Crow came out to do the American national anthem, and then the Canadian anthem was some horrid 50 year old recording. Very disrespectful for Justin Morneau, who is Canadian and who was involved in the game.
Can you imagine the response if the opposite were to happen at a Maple Leafs game?
Ya, but we are talking about Canada here. Seriously. You guys aren't really a large percentage of anything, including population in Canada. Beside hockey and beer, one great thing I always like about Canadians is that they would never get upset about something so petty as a virtual lottery offered by a US-based company.
I don't for a minute believe it was an intentional slight on Turbine's part. It WAS however a slight. Honestly I think they shouldn't be celebrating American holidays if they are not going to do the big ones for other countries represented in the playerbase.
Not saying do every holiday for every country, just the major major ones.
It's ignorant, nationalistic and not even the least bit sensitive to the all of the other people who do not live in the USA.
Good grief. I don't care in the slightest if some Canadian or French or German company wants to do something to celebrate their own national holidays. Why would I? It may be "nationalistic" to do that, but so what? People are proud to be from the country they're from, and people who complain about that are just grievance mongers IMO.
Turbine is a U.S. company celebrating an important U.S. holiday. Nothing to see here. People who don't live in the U.S. will somehow manage to survive the trauma .
Good grief. I don't care in the slightest if some Canadian or French or German company wants to do something to celebrate their own national holidays. Why would I? It may be "nationalistic" to do that, but so what? People are proud to be from the country they're from, and people who complain about that are just grievance mongers IMO.
Turbine is a U.S. company celebrating an important U.S. holiday. Nothing to see here. People who don't live in the U.S. will somehow manage to survive the trauma .
Khafar
Totally agreed!
They didn't have a lottery for Mother's day, and while I'm a mother, I certainly didn't expect Turbine to have a Mother's day celebration. It doesn't mean I think they don't have mothers or hate them because they didn't have a lottery or sale for it.
Only US holidays get noticed generally. We did get a Diamond Jubilee lottery but I don't think we get Bastille Day or Mexican Independence Day or other national holidays either. Not even May Day (International Workers Day).
We did get some fireworks for Cinco de Mayo last year. Red white and green.
Only someone who is ashamed of their country would feel this as a slight. BTW, no stores around here closed early for Canada Day, so I guess Walmart, Lowe's, Home Depot, JC Penny, Sears, and countless other stores who are closing early today should be boycotted for disrespecting Canada.
Originally Posted by Fantoma
We're not exactly talking about having The Republic Of Congo Day here. This is CANADA. We are the US's closest allies, and, quite frankly, a large percent of LOTRO's player base.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information, I wouldn't count Canada as the US's closest ally. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure ya'll would even make it in the top 5. I have many Canadian friends and family, including my wife. I've never heard a Canadian say 1 good thing about America. Not once. Some allies. Oh and I'm sure Turbine will find it important to cater the lotteries to avoid offending the large number of players that are from Canada. Of the hundreds of players I've met on Riddermark and Landroval, I've met a grand total of 1 Canadian players. Typical Canadian assuming they're the most important people in the world.
Well, since the USA and Canada are both in NATO, they are certainly allies.
And unless the US is in some similar alliance with Mexico, Canada is indisputably the USA's closest ally. Either way, since it has the longest (and undefended) border, I would argue that Canada would win out over Mexico.
If I'm not misremembering, I think there was a flash lottery on May Day - it was probably booze and maybe some other fluff, but I do remember seeing one come up and having to check the calendar to see what holiday I was missing. Not that I have anything against celebrating as many holidays as they want to cram in, and it doesn't matter to me what country they are from. Lotteries are fun and my dwarf never seems to have enough beer.
If the game company was based in Canada, I'd expect them to celebrate the big Canadian holidays. Same if they were based in the UK, or Germany, or the Netherlands, or France, etc., I'd expect the same. But they happen to be an American company so they are celebrating our country's birthday. There's no slight there. C'mon.
Lol I know right. The problem is the socialist mentality that so many foreigners have. They really truly believe that any cake you go through the trouble to bake is just as much theirs as yours.
It's not our fault their uncompetitive nations don't produce the products they want to buy.
Lol I know right. The problem is the socialist mentality that so many foreigners have. They really truly believe that any cake you go through the trouble to bake is just as much theirs as yours.
It's not our fault their uncompetitive nations don't produce the products they want to buy.
...you don't actually understand what socialism is do you?
...you don't actually understand what socialism is do you?
Yep. Lived in Norway over 2 years. Heard a bunch of idiots who didn't pay their actual portion of the healthcare system talk about their socialist ideals coming from their sense of altruism.
Yeah it's real altruistic to say "share" when you're the one that's going to be doing all the receiving lol.
The layman definition for socialism should be "over indulged sense of entitlement to others hard earned goods".
Take this thread for example. A US company hosts an online game and every country on the planet is entitled to a holiday celebration in the game for some reason. Ok but you know what, I want every foreign game in the world to hold a holiday celebration on the 4th of July as well.
Only someone who is ashamed of their country would feel this as a slight. BTW, no stores around here closed early for Canada Day, so I guess Walmart, Lowe's, Home Depot, JC Penny, Sears, and countless other stores who are closing early today should be boycotted for disrespecting Canada.
Hell, these stores IN Canada were not even closed on Canada Day. Many (not all) were closed on the Monday after, but most remained open all day as per normal on July 1. I was in a Chapters (bookstore chain) in Ottawa (the nation's capital for crying out loud) on July 1 until they closed at 9pm.
I guess they were all making anti-patriotic statements!
Valahn =Wolves=
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few.
Lol I know right. The problem is the socialist mentality that so many foreigners have. They really truly believe that any cake you go through the trouble to bake is just as much theirs as yours.
It's not our fault their uncompetitive nations don't produce the products they want to buy.
I don't think you understand.
We pay for the cake (In fact we pay more for the cake than you do).
So why is it that the top layer on our cake gets cut off before we receive it?
EDIT: My apologies, I mixed up this thread with the "Usa over Eu" thread due you posting a similar message in there. I take back my words, this has nothing to do with the lotteries and/or the rewards. This is just a silly holiday issue.
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Here is now both white and red, And all so the stone to quicken the dead
The Bird of Hermes is my name, Eating my wings to make me tame.
No one is going to go crying to their mothers or reporting this as some sort of international incident. It's a simple comment on how a game company that still fairly recently took over operation of an entire player base of European players, and said game is played by people from all over the world, should maybe be more inclined to a celebrate everyone or no one mindset.
Yes, the company is in America. Yes, the game was made in America. No one is disputing that or saying that's not the case and, beyond a shadow of a doubt, absolutely no one is seriously saying that Turbine shouldn't be proud of being an American company or it's emploiyees proud of being Americans. It's about whether or not a venue such as this is an appropriate place to celebrate one nationality and overlook another when your business is pretty much founded on players from every country with access to the game.
Yep. Lived in Norway over 2 years. Heard a bunch of idiots who didn't pay their actual portion of the healthcare system talk about their socialist ideals coming from their sense of altruism.
Yeah it's real altruistic to say "share" when you're the one that's going to be doing all the receiving lol.
The layman definition for socialism should be "over indulged sense of entitlement to others hard earned goods".
Take this thread for example. A US company hosts an online game and every country on the planet is entitled to a holiday celebration in the game for some reason. Ok but you know what, I want every foreign game in the world to hold a holiday celebration on the 4th of July as well.
Except the fact that Norway is not actually socialistic, nor has it ever been...
But good job being incredibly ignorant about socialism and politics.
If the worse thing we have to argue about is whether there should be a lottery for digital bits, I'd say that folks on both sides of the border are very fortunate.
A belated happy Canada Day to my friends north of the border.
Happy 4th of July to everyone! I wasn't born in the USA but I'm proud to be an American... And, much more importantly, a citizen of the world.
Wherever you are from, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Russia, China, Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Australia, the Philippines, Uruguay, Namibia, Saudi Arabia, Ireland, Fiji, The Ottoman Empire, Samoa, Indonesia, Argentina, Spain, Morocco, Anarctica, the Moon, Israel, Korea, Mongolia, Nepal, India, Yemen, Egypt, Green, Italy, Transylvania, Yugoslavia, the Cook Islands, Chile, Easter Island, Panama, Guatemala, Russia, Eternia, Estonia, Equador, the Mushroom Kingdom, New Zealand, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Sesame Street, Cuba, A galaxy far, far away, Pakistan, Turkistan, Afghanistan, Franistan, Bhurma, Thailand, Cambodia, Japan, Third-earth, Genosha, South Africa, Mozambique, Mars, Madagascar, Iceland, Malaysia, Krypton, Greenland, Mesopotamia, Finland, Atlantis, Sweden, Denmark, Poland, Siberia, the USA, Portugal, Guiana, Java, Borneo, Nicaragua, Middle-earth or just plain-old Earth, I hope that you are free to enjoy this game!!!
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I'm a dutch customer. Does that make me less important than a US customer? Or a Canadian customer? Not in my book. But I'm surely not going to complain about the lack of a April 30th Koninginnedag lottery. Instead, I'm glad there is a community feature like the lottery, and it even has funny occasional special lotteries.
Glass half full, or glass half empty? <= that's why both sides of this argument will likely never agree to disagree.
Yea you Canadians and Norwaygians, stop being so socialist! that's almost as bad as being rayshialist!
It's an Americans company they can celebrate whoever they want whenever they want, and you wanna know why? 2 words...nuclear *%@&in weapons, John Waynes not dead, he's frozen......
Seriously though it doesn't bother me, they have to draw a line in the lottery thing somewhere, although it would be awesome to see some wierd ones from time to time, maybe Global Forgiveness day for ZC on August 27th, something like that.
Today is July 9th - that means its officially International Town Criers Day!! (Go ahead, look it up on the official list of holidays. I'll wait.)
As a Town Crier (yes, there are still a few of us around) who is also Canadian, I think we should have a special lottery for today, seeing as there actually are Town Criers in the game!!
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