Thread: Revamp Mount Stats Please :)

I was journeying across Middle-Earth last night and realized that I'm always choosing the same mount. Not because I like it's appearance any more than others, but because of it's speed. I had just gotten kindred with the Grey Company and because I'm a mount collector bought theirs. I wanted to use it, but was annoyed that that particular mount was 6% slower than my Elf-Ambassador mount, though it had taken a lot of work to get kindred.

It doesn't make sense to me that the kindred mounts are set to 62%. It doesn't make sense that the World Reknowned mount is set to 68% even though it takes more work than possibly anything else in the game.

What I would like to see is a revamp of the mount stats, particularly the reputation ones.

All Kindred Mounts should be set to 68%
Elf-Ambassador Mount should be set to 72%
World Reknowned Mount should be set to 80%

That way I can actually benefit from getting these reputations and feel as though the rewards for accomplishing the meta-rep deeds was worth the trouble.

I would also then be able to use the kindred mounts that I have spent time and money to receive. I really want to ride my Grey Company mount! And my Shire mount! But because of the speed difference, I end up using the Elf instead.

Wouldn't this make more sense?

while I dont care if mount speeds increase past 68%... I would like to see all mounts in your stable use the speed of the fastest mount that you have... I used to be a mount collector... but ill be damned if I am going to waste my time and money just to ride the same mount all over the place and stable the rest due to a speed difference...

It is not like we are asking for anything we dont already have... We have the skill

Mount Speed 68%

We earned it however but we have it... I am not asking for something for nothing... just let me use what I have already earned...

To be honest in typical Turbine fashion not doing this makes absolutely no sense from a financial perspective... I have spoken to a lot of people who like me dont collect mounts due to speed issues... People that would spend turbine points and real world dollars on mounts that now dont...

So I guess in the end... the bigger question is why does turbine consistently throw away revenue sources on things that do not give players a gameplay edge... this is a cosmetic (the 68% gameplay part we already earned)...

Jayvani,

I see your point and I think that it's a good one.

It could really be an either or type issue.

Either revamp the mount speed system to reflect the time and effort put into achieving kindred rep mounts, meta-rep mounts, and of course the grand finale - the world reknowned mount.

or...

Default mount speed to the highest speed that a particular character has achieved. And then tack on some additional percentages for kindred reps. So at level 75, base speed of 68%, then another 2% for having kindred.

I don't know just tossing around ideas because the mounts don't make a lot of sense to me right now.

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Hey, I'd even take them giving us a scaling mount speed that went up as your reputation went up in a particular zone.

If I'm in Evendim and purchase their mount (this would create a situation where the mounts were available before kindred), as my rep with them increases, so does my mount speed. To a total of 68% in that particular zone, when I'm using their particular mount, once I hit kindred.

Once you hit kindred, the mount speed stays at 68% (for individual reps only) regardless of where you use the mount.

But the Elf-Ambassador and World Reknown still need to have their speeds adjusted based on the difficulty of obtaining them.

its not a race, find a pretty horsie and enjoy the ride.

Completely agree. I'm failing to see any downside to this, though I can't say I have any idea as to what it would take to implement such a change.

I don't know whether the 68% speed is the maximum we can get. I suspect not; I suspect the Rohan war-horse will be faster than that.

But there is a limiting factor. Mounts can go only so fast or they'll be well into a landblock before that landblock can load all its scenery, mobs, whatevers.

One of the reasons Asheron's Call (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't have mounts to this day, is that player characters were given the option of buffing both their Run skill and their Quickness trait. Since we had to run everywhere (unless there was a portal leading to where we wanted to go), many players buffed their characters till they looked like Keystone Kops. There would, presumably, be no reason to have a mount unless it ran faster than a human could, and that would be fast enough, not to break the game maybe, but to make it difficult to play.

I don't know whether the 80% danascus suggests is too fast for this game or not. The devs know, which will influence what they give us and don't give us.

Originally Posted by djheydt

I don't know whether the 80% danascus suggests is too fast for this game or not. The devs know, which will influence what they give us and don't give us.

We already have faster mounts than 68%, in stables and +20% speed mount scrolls.
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First to say, I'm not against a speed revamp but I disagree with this proposal. As many others, the OP fail to see the "whole picture" and he says nothing about the store mounts which is Turbine and players best interest:

There are 2 things players want concerning traveling: speed and exclusivity. Store mounts must be equal or faster than the ingame ones for this purpose and Turbines best interest.

By other way this proposal doesn't make any big difference but more speed than what we already have. Lets see:

It doesn't make sense to me that the kindred mounts are set to 62%. It doesn't make sense that the World Reknowned mount is set to 68% even though it takes more work than possibly anything else in the game.

Why this doesn't make sense? Since the Steed of Eriador takes more work it makes sense.

Instead of the current 62% vs 68% you propose 68% vs 80%. With an exception for the Elf embassador one..., which double the % difference. I suppose we can agree the more the difference is the less uses for the slower mounts which is exact your problem:

I was journeying across Middle-Earth last night and realized that I'm always choosing the same mount. Not because I like it's appearance any more than others, but because of it's speed.

There are no tecnical difficulties with going faster then 168%, the stable horses are faster already.


With the scrolls you can reach 188% for a rep. horse and in the horsey session play you can see that much more is possible.

Well, the session play is buggy, so I am not sure which of both is the "base" speed.
Sometimes the horse with it's base speed is faster then a "travel route" horse, sometimes it's slightly slower.
When 2 people enter session play one can be a lot faster then the other.
I ASSUME that the faster speed is bugged, but it doesn't really matter.

Anyway, no matter which of both is the base speed, one can use a skill and get another 50% buff.

What matters is that with the run buff one can be around 2 times faster then a standard 160% horse. I basically run circles around other riders.

That means that the top speed of the session play horse is +200% (2 x 160 - 100) or higher. And even at this speed the game has no problems to load the scenery in full details.

Edit: As I said, this are just approximate values, I didn't really sit down and stop the time it takes to ride from A to B, I can just tell you that it was REALLY fast.


There are no technical difficulties in incrementing the mount speed, it's a design decision.

Originally Posted by danascus

It doesn't make sense to me that the kindred mounts are set to 62%. It doesn't make sense that the World Reknowned mount is set to 68% even though it takes more work than possibly anything else in the game.

All Kindred Mounts should be set to 68%
Elf-Ambassador Mount should be set to 72%
World Reknowned Mount should be set to 80%

*cough cough*
Only the elf embassador horse is easier to get then this horse.
All other meta horses require a LOT more work (except the Isengard horse maybe, that one requires patience). Try to get the DN Goat or the black Moria Goat, the steed of many colors, then we talk again.

You forget that speed is not the only benefit you get.

Starter mounts (Bree, Moria): 130% speed, 100 health
Moria pre-order goat (avaiable through the shop): 162% speed, 60 health
Standard mount: 162% speed, 100 health
Gray horse (for playing Shadows of Angmar): 130% speed, 150 health
"Game edition" horses (for buying a certain game edition, form Ro? preorders or getting the 5 year reward): 162% speed, 100 health

Reputation horses: 162% speed, 250 health

Meta-Horses: 168% speed, 250 health

So rep horses give you 150 hitpoints more then a standard horse and meta horses give a 3% speed bonus in addition (168/162=1.03).