Noroth I get what you're saying and I totally agree (you should join us on thunderdome). People got to get off this rating trip. It's a diminishing return on renown, and we all know how you got it.
I think this has a little bit to do with all the hugging on freep side. We all, especially melee see the mid ground as covered by wargs, and chances are we are underestimating how many.
Ps weavers need an update.
If anyone is wondering about freep dis check here. No one freep is over ~25% representation. Not making a point of that, just expect that someone will want to compare..so i linked.
I think this has a little bit to do with all the hugging on freep side. We all, especially melee see the mid ground as covered by wargs, and chances are we are underestimating how many.
For me as a Captain, it also has to do with being grouped vs being in a solo assembly of freeps. If I charge ahead solo, with so-so self heals, I'm cooked. Yes, I can Last Stand. Still somewhat unlikely to kill anything, and pretty likely to die (particularly after getting pounced by the abovementioned wargs). Solo mobs of freeps tend to flail and not focus on killing healers, and hence don't accomplish much against organized creep groupings. If I'm grouped, can be much more aggressive, as I can get healing support, and can heal and bubble others.
I don't mind dying TOO much, but I really dislike pointless deaths -- i.e. ones where I charge in without at least a modest prospect of a kill.
Noroth I get what you're saying and I totally agree (you should join us on thunderdome). People got to get off this rating trip. It's a diminishing return on renown, and we all know how you got it.
I think this has a little bit to do with all the hugging on freep side. We all, especially melee see the mid ground as covered by wargs, and chances are we are underestimating how many.
Ps weavers need an update.
If anyone is wondering about freep dis check here. No one freep is over ~25% representation. Not making a point of that, just expect that someone will want to compare..so i linked.
No-one Freep class is as awful to play as every Creep class but Warg.
No-one Freep class is as awful to play as every Creep class but Warg.
1. Wil , Bushy played a warg before you did(i checked) and she remembers how bad it was to start one back then so im going on her word it was worse as a greenie.
2. Ba awful?No Defilers(maybe low rank)?No WL?No , Warg? Heck no, Reaver? Yes broken, Weaver? Yes omg sooo broken
Now saying they're not up to alot of freep classes sure but awful to play no.
Please oh please tell me Ba is because ive played mine lately and with only 2 Aud and im having ZERO problems getting anything done.
You,Goth,Healz and Noroth have proven to me if you take the time to learn your class you can do great things with them and no im not saying OP im saying excel at them.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
1. Wil , Bushy played a warg before you did(i checked) and she remembers how bad it was to start one back then so im going on her word it was worse as a greenie.
2. Ba awful?No Defilers(maybe low rank)?No WL?No , Warg? Heck no, Reaver? Yes broken, Weaver? Yes omg sooo broken
Now saying they're not up to alot of freep classes sure but awful to play no.
Please oh please tell me Ba is because ive played mine lately and with only 2 Aud and im having ZERO problems getting anything done.
You,Goth,Healz and Noroth have proven to me if you take the time to learn your class you can do great things with them and no im not saying OP im saying excel at them.
Well you'd be wrong. Isn't that shocking.
BA is just behind Warg in tolerability, but that doesn't mean it isn't broken and bad. It is.
All those classes are awful. If you don't realize that, learn to play. All I have to say. Creep success is only measured by Freep fail.
BA is just behind Warg in tolerability, but that doesn't mean it isn't broken and bad. It is.
All those classes are awful. If you don't realize that, learn to play. All I have to say. Creep success is only measured by Freep fail.
Well we can disagree because unlike you i dont have tunnel vision and unlike i actually HAVE a ba.
Second you just said learn to play but as ive just stated ive been on my Ba and see ZERO problem with it, i got many kills so i guess i actually know how to play one.
I also seen the difference from the beginning creeps to creeps of today and i know they had it worse when the game started(ranking/killing to get rank)
I actually see it as Freeps success is measured by creeps not learning how to play their class.
Stop arguing with me now and get on your minny and keep me alive
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“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
If you don't think it is worse now you're delusional. A group of greenies for example had a chance. Now? No, lol.
Personally, I remember minute long mezzes, chain CC and no DR and six of us as wargs dying to kill a freep in a group. Do I think its bad now? Yes. Mainly I think the damage increases to freeps is what makes it seem alot worse frankly. I wasn't getting crit with 7k but creeps were still fodder and died fast. Do I think its worse? Nope. Its not delusional, you are welcome to your opinion and I am welcome to mine.
Failure to play classes correctly happens to both sides wil, its by far not a one sided failure. That doesn't mean creeps aren't gimped but both sides have players that just don't play correctly.
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The only reason PvP isn't totally dead is because the Freeps are awful. They don't know what to do or how to do it. Creeps too, of course. But if Freeps weren't awful, no one would tolerate playing Creep. That's how OP they are. I'm not gonna argue, because there's no point arguing with
Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL
I actually see it as Freeps success is measured by creeps not learning how to play their class.
If Creeps play PERFECTLY they should still get rolled.
Well, it's nice to see people discuss about classes, their capabilities, etc,
but it's not the "topic I wanted in this topic", so I'll try to make it clear...
I'm not asking people to stop using their surviving skills or die in pointless ways.
What I want here is to encourage people to be more agressive and fearless,
to stop caring that much about walking all the way back from the rez,
to really go in for the kill, having their CDs to use or not.
Yesterday me and Thodhrin died about 6 times at Lugz Hill to a group of ~7 red/blue rank creeps
before we could wipe them all and /heropose. I should have recorded that (soon I'll be posting some videos).
I like to compare this game style to the training style of ronins* like Miyamoto Musashi.
"Search for a tough opponent and do your best to bring him down."
The difference is that we have a respawn point... One more reason not to fear...
Another thing I've been doing to try to change the situation is flipping to the outnumbered side.
//please don't tell anything about this to Tyrant Akúlhun or Captain-General Tordur.
The real problem we have is not the quantity of "flavour of the month" class players, but their lack of courage.
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*Samurai with no lord or master during the feudal period (1185–1868) of Japan.
ps.: Discussing about the gameplay isn't QQing, this term is being misused too often lately.
I like to compare this game style to the training style of ronins* like Miyamoto Musashi.
Have you red the "book of 5 rings"? Aside from some particular buddhist stuff in it (void) it's pretty interesting. 70 duels never lost, never been trained.
weekly raid v raid. set aside one night a week for now and have a general leader from both sides start up a raid. no QQing about being outnumberd. if its 16v12 then deal with it. now if its 12v24 or something a lil dumb move the fight to either HH or grothum instead of a keep. Just my two cents
Have you red the "book of 5 rings"? Aside from some particular buddhist stuff in it (void) it's pretty interesting. 70 duels never lost, never been trained.
I didn't find the opportunity to finish yet, but I will soon!
What I already read was the ongoing manga Vagabond (based on Eiji Yoshikawa's novel Musashi),
until the last chapter that was available here (300).
Personally, I think it's a combination of things out there that make it so darn boring. Yes, creeps have NOT caught up to freeps, and yes, some creep classes are broken/semi-broken. And there are particular freep classes that are quite overpowered at the moment. This is only part of the problem.
Problems of the Ettenmoors that I see.
1. Class problems.
2. Lack of leadership and SOLID grouping. (A &&&& group can't get anything done. Just the way it is.)
3. As Noroth said, everyone is afraid to push. Most players would rather sit in one place and be fed renown/infamy.
4. Flavor of the week classes. People who only play the class which is most overpowered at the moment. You all know they exist. If you deny this, you are probably one of those players.
The problems with new expansions and new content is that the developers rarely stop to think "This may not be good for PVMP". They're looking mainly at the PVE aspect of the game, which is the most popular. There's a reason, when you enter the ettenmoors on your freep, you get a message saying some skills may be changed or disabled. I think the developers have completely forgotten they added this message to the game.
Freep skills are based off of PVE raids which are quite difficult. The easy answer for this would be to simply build creep classes, that in a raid, could complete said freep raids. This would balance it out quite a bit. At least in my opinion.
I played as warg last year until rank 4 so last month I came back so I'm not included as part of these wargs ! I just got known about audacity few weeks ago, lol!
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I played as warg last year until rank 4 so last month I came back so I'm not included as part of these wargs ! I just got known about audacity few weeks ago, lol!
LOL you play like one of those warg hence you're one of those wargs
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
The only reason PvP isn't totally dead is because the Freeps are awful. They don't know what to do or how to do it. Creeps too, of course. But if Freeps weren't awful, no one would tolerate playing Creep. That's how OP they are. I'm not gonna argue, because there's no point arguing with
If Creeps play PERFECTLY they should still get rolled.
Agreed. Some people just can't understand that 6 freeps can roll 12+ creeps with ease. If freeps lose a equal number fight, they are bad and need to learn to play their class. I don't see why it's to hard to understand that...
And weavers are not broken. They are perfectly fine, god mode against melee/hunters and alright against Lms/Rks. Well, I guess in a player hands who know what they are doing.
& having to use ents/LS in a 1v1? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooool.
Agreed. Some people just can't understand that 6 freeps can roll 12+ creeps with ease. If freeps lose a equal number fight, they are bad and need to learn to play their class. I don't see why it's to hard to understand that...
And weavers are not broken. They are perfectly fine, god mode against melee/hunters and alright against Lms/Rks. Well, I guess in a player hands who know what they are doing.
& having to use ents/LS in a 1v1? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooool.
3 Wl,2Defilers,3wargs,2reaver and 2 ba
vs
2 melee dps,1minny,1captain,1rk,1Lm and if you want to swith someone out for a hunter fine
Both partys know how to play their classes so you're telling me the freeps will role those creeps? LOL thats the biggest joke ive ever hear
12 newb creeps i'll agree with
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
2 melee dps,1minny,1captain,1rk,1Lm and if you want to swith someone out for a hunter fine
Both partys know how to play their classes so you're telling me the freeps will role those creeps? LOL thats the biggest joke ive ever hear
12 newb creeps i'll agree with
I would trade out a champ for a warden. After the 3 bubbles creeps are just gonna melt. Meanwhile freeps will all be alive due to the fact that ba's, reavers, and wargs are debuffed with firelore/windlore being tarkited(reavers free for 10 seconds) as mini/captain LOLhealing.
You seem to lack the ability to understand how overpowered a good group of freeps are. Narrow minded again. Like Wil has said multiple times, creeps only win/look balanced due to freep fail.
Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL
I actually see it as Freeps success is measured by creeps not learning how to play their class.
This is the funniest joke of all times.
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I would trade out a champ for a warden. After the 3 bubbles creeps are just gonna melt. Meanwhile freeps will all be alive due to the fact that ba's, reavers, and wargs are debuffed with firelore/windlore being tarkited(reavers free for 10 seconds) as mini/captain LOLhealing.
You seem to lack the ability to understand how overpowered a good group of freeps are. Narrow minded again. Like Wil has said multiple times, creeps only win/look balanced due to freep fail.
This is the funniest joke of all times.
thats great and all but youre forgetting one thing if the defiler and wl know what they are doing they can make all but the lms minis and rks sit with 1 power dont forget the 2 flies that yes a mini can fear one away still doesnt take care of the other and as long the creeps stay spread out they wont get hit by the lore due to the proximity of the debuff area and also the fact that most creeps do tactical anyways means frost lore needs to be on as well.. if the champ kills off the flies they are just resummoned in about 25-30 more seconds. take away a freeps power pool and they are sitting ducks
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thats great and all but youre forgetting one thing if the defiler and wl know what they are doing they can make all but the lms minis and rks sit with 1 power dont forget the 2 flies that yes a mini can fear one away still doesnt take care of the other and as long the creeps stay spread out they wont get hit by the lore due to the proximity of the debuff area and also the fact that most creeps do tactical anyways means frost lore needs to be on as well.. if the champ kills off the flies they are just resummoned in about 25-30 more seconds. take away a freeps power pool and they are sitting ducks
Just stack the defiler with the -20% inc healing debuff 6 times, focus fire, and watch it melt away(literally). Then do the same with wl.
thats great and all but youre forgetting one thing if the defiler and wl know what they are doing they can make all but the lms minis and rks sit with 1 power dont forget the 2 flies that yes a mini can fear one away still doesnt take care of the other and as long the creeps stay spread out they wont get hit by the lore due to the proximity of the debuff area and also the fact that most creeps do tactical anyways means frost lore needs to be on as well.. if the champ kills off the flies they are just resummoned in about 25-30 more seconds. take away a freeps power pool and they are sitting ducks
1. Move out of terror banner(s), not a problem if WL isn't traited incombat banners.
2. Blow up flies with Champ + Rk + Lm = RC for captian(1k+ heal + 300power restore)/ Fear other til it comes back then blow it up.
3. Melees will be in debuff range the whole time/tar.
4. You do know Firelore debuffs melee damage and Windlore debuffs ranged damage? Frostlore doesn't debuff creep melee/ranged damage. Only WL shouts and maybe defiler gourds? Forget about defiler gourds damage type.
5. So you have one BA with windlore for the whole fight and 2 at the start assuming the group collides head on.
6. Captain Song Brother Inspire + RC + Pots + LM StP. Power issues? Don't think so.
7. Warden stacking the -%inc healing modifier combined with Rk AoE one = OP... hence after the 3 bubbles creeps will just die over and over.
thats great and all but youre forgetting one thing if the defiler and wl know what they are doing they can make all but the lms minis and rks sit with 1 power dont forget the 2 flies that yes a mini can fear one away still doesnt take care of the other and as long the creeps stay spread out they wont get hit by the lore due to the proximity of the debuff area and also the fact that most creeps do tactical anyways means frost lore needs to be on as well.. if the champ kills off the flies they are just resummoned in about 25-30 more seconds. take away a freeps power pool and they are sitting ducks
You're wasting your breath with that guy he's just trolling and his experience in the moors in probably pretty little.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Just stack the defiler with the -20% inc healing debuff 6 times, focus fire, and watch it melt away(literally). Then do the same with wl.
I think you all are forgetting all the creeps beating on the minny who will be dead in a short while and to think otherwise then you need to learn how to play creep because i know for a fact 2 groups like that all skilled and know their class the creeps will win.
Double the numbers come on dont be so narrow minded
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