Creeps have been complaining for quite awhile about a lack of new terrain, a new map and something new to do. One major topic of things to do has been brought up and that is going to PvE areas and making them PvP accessible here's an idea that popped up while i was in Moria questing
i ran across a quest that stated "Defeat Enemies or Creatures in _______ 0/10"
i thought to myself Enemies? hmmm sounds like "Defeat the Free Peoples in Tirith Rhaw/Tol Ascarnen/Lugazag
what if creeps could go to Moria?
Now before you shoot it down it wouldnt be your 75 maxed out R13 Warg ghanking 45+ in Moria but instead
A SESSION PLAY
thats right we have begged for new classes year round so why not impliment it this way
as many know there are DOZENS of areas in Moria that are littered with goblins.... Goblins have been a huge staple idea for new creep classes@!@!
What if you could earn time in a session play based on your rank, and it gave you infamy or commendations at the end of it?
here's my thought 30 minutes of goblin time on a Cooldown based on your rank
R0 cannot enter
R1 15 hour CD
R2 14 hour CD
R3 13 hour CD
R4 12 hour CD
R5 11 hour CD
R6 10 hour CD
R7 9 hour CD
R8 8 hour CD
R9 7 hour CD
R10 6 Hour CD
R11 5 hour CD
R12 4 hour CD
R13 3 hour CD
R14 2 hour CD
R15 1 hour CD
this way you have a benefit for working harder at creepside and this will give you a nice break when there isnt action, and a little benefit for it and heck it could be fun
The session play you would enter would place you in the body of a level 53-55 goblin this would make you hard to kill for the 45s that are too under levelled for moria and a challenge for some of the upper levels roaming through.
the skills can be as simple as the basic goblin skills
Sapper's toss - 10m tactical skill dealing 50-100 fire damage
Slash - melee skill dealing 45-75 damage
or something along the lines base the session off of the mob Moria Soldier a level 51-52 Goblin found throughout moria but up its stats to a 53-55 goblin maybe make a Signature version of the 51-52 and thats the session
Have the session play spawn you in any of the goblin "camps" through out moria, <<< this coupled with the time frame of actual session play and large CD's would stop people from being able to make extremely coordinated groups to charge through moria and causing massive grief.
But hey this is just my idea and i doubt it will go but why not post it?
I would rather not have this feature. I really would not want to log on the forums and see a post saying "I PWNED Buttercakes!(my toon in my sig) or some other toon I have in Moria.
I never liked the intense nature of PvP and really don't want anything to do with it.
I want you guys to have an update and I want you guys to have your new zone but not to have it impact my pve experience.
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Shanana, what you may not have realized is that most PvEers in this game don't WANT to PvP. Not in any form, not at any time, not in any place. No matter what enhancements were given to PvMP areas and/or characters, they wouldn't go there.
Some have philosophical objections to fighting against their fellow players. Some don't want to play on Team Sauron, not under any circumstances. Some are playing LotRO because its PvP is limited and consensual and they don't ever have to encounter it. Some are of the opinion that the computer-generated mobs are QUITE tough enough, thank you. (I place myself solidly in this latter group.)
There are those who wish PvMP had never happened, or that it would go away. But most of us are contented that it should exist, so long as it stays in the Moors and doesn't draw too much valuable dev time away from the main game.
I suspect that whoever at WB is in charge of funding LotRO would say (if he knew he wouldn't be quoted), "Only a small percentage of players play PvMP. Having it brings in very little extra income; most people who like PvP are playing some other game that specializes in it. Why should we put money into a feature that will bring us so little return on investment?"
Shanana, what you may not have realized is that most PvEers in this game don't WANT to PvP. Not in any form, not at any time, not in any place. No matter what enhancements were given to PvMP areas and/or characters, they wouldn't go there.
Some have philosophical objections to fighting against their fellow players. Some don't want to play on Team Sauron, not under any circumstances. Some are playing LotRO because its PvP is limited and consensual and they don't ever have to encounter it. Some are of the opinion that the computer-generated mobs are QUITE tough enough, thank you. (I place myself solidly in this latter group.)
Great list. Add to it folks who dislike all the chest-thumping, bragging, crying, and complaining that goes with PVP. Most people who PVP are pretty mature about it, but the small percentage that isn't can ruin the gaming experience considerably.
I support PVMP and am glad there is a place for it. I hope they give PVPers more content. But please do not let PVP enter into PVE areas.
I would rather not have this feature. I really would not want to log on the forums and see a post saying "I PWNED Buttercakes!(my toon in my sig) or some other toon I have in Moria.
I never liked the intense nature of PvP and really don't want anything to do with it.
I want you guys to have an update and I want you guys to have your new zone but not to have it impact my pve experience.
That's an exaggeration. If you have played MMORPGs before, you will understand that players don't make these kind of posts. If not, then I understand your defiance against PvP.
Although, as a PvP-lover, I don't approve of this idea and frankly, creeps should have the right to roam in Middle-Earth because frankly there are loads of orcs, goblins, wargs and spiders across Middle-Earth today, so it would not impact on a person's gameplay should there be open PvP, which is really the beating heart of any online game. When you're bored, you go to the Ettenmoors. We naturally incline towards PvP, that's the purpose of MMORPGs.
I'll give you one thing: you've got guts dude. Suggesting this in a place where many such suggestions have been shot and gone up in flames.
I would not support any kind of open world PvP....I don't think it is a good idea (for this game inparticular) and it will most likely cause even more QQ than you already stirred up with the very post lol.
Not considering my love for Tolkiens works as a factor why then am I still playing LOTRO nearly everyday after almost two years now? I have tried other MMO games and only this one has cept my attention for such a long period and it still does. My conclusion, the answer is the fact that I can actively avoid the PvP part of the game and this makes me happy.
Sure I went to the Moors once, but I never left the Freep safe zone. Even tried a MP character but same deal never left thier safe zone either. Now why is that you may ask? Well its because due to expierence from other MMO games I have developed a detest for PvP style of play. I absolutely hate it and as such I will not welcome any world PvP in any shape or form.
I'm just over the moon that this game, a world I do love so much has opted to keep PvP away from PvE game play. I applaud the Devs for this decission and letting me have all the fun I can have without worry that some idiot is going to spoil it by ganking me. Which happens in other MMO games all too often as far as I am concerned.
So no thanks, keep PvP in the Moors and let it stay there. That said I'm not apposed for the PvP gamers to have another map to muck about in, just so long as I don't have to go there
I've neer PnMP'd in LOTRO, but I have some experience in other games. I don't like open world PvP either, but I enjoyed the consensual instanced PvP in those games. So it's no for your idea.
That said I think it's about time the PvMP'ers got some similar instances to those, for example maybe 6 Freeps and 6 Creeps gathering ore for mithril in a Moria instance. They could disturb each other's gathering or some such mechanic. How about such an idea OP?
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The scary thing is that PvPers actually believe these statements to be true. Which is why we keep them safely locked away in the Ettenmoors.
Agreed. Those statements are historically false in most MMOs, but are especially false here -- a game which has attracted and retained a more PvE-centric set of players due to the emphasis it has.
People who make these arguments tend to think that adding feature X will keep all the people who dislike X and add in a bunch of people who like X, but that's wrong on both counts, at least in the case of PvP. People's opinions are polarized on PvP, especially in a game which has one or the other as primary emphasis (like this one). Spending lots of development time on PvP would bring in some new people with low investment in the game, but at the expense of longer-term players, who would normally be the best bet to stay (and pay).
Even the promise of "lots of new players" is a hollow one, in my opinion. PvP players aren't really looking for a bigger PvP "wart" hung off the side of what was designed and maintained as a PvE-centric game for 5+ years. They want games where PvP is core to the design, rewards, balance, experience, character development, etc. And they especially want new games fitting that description, not ones they put in their rear-view mirror 5 years ago.
Spend lots of time on PvP, and it might have helped LOTRO in a new market like China. Here? Not really.
Agreed. Those statements are historically false in most MMOs, but are especially false here -- a game which has attracted and retained a more PvE-centric set of players due to the emphasis it has.
People who make these arguments tend to think that adding feature X will keep all the people who dislike X and add in a bunch of people who like X, but that's wrong on both counts, at least in the case of PvP. People's opinions are polarized on PvP, especially in a game which has one or the other as primary emphasis (like this one). Spending lots of development time on PvP would bring in some new people with low investment in the game, but at the expense of longer-term players, who would normally be the best bet to stay (and pay).
Even the promise of "lots of new players" is a hollow one, in my opinion. PvP players aren't really looking for a bigger PvP "wart" hung off the side of what was designed and maintained as a PvE-centric game for 5+ years. They want games where PvP is core to the design, rewards, balance, experience, character development, etc. And they especially want new games fitting that description, not ones they put in their rear-view mirror 5 years ago.
Spend lots of time on PvP, and it might have helped LOTRO in a new market like China. Here? Not really.
PvMP does need something. It's been stuck in the ettenmoors for the last 5 years with the only thing added being the Delving of Fror which sort of flopped except as a PvE zone in a PvMP area to obtain PvMP items.
The moors needs to change, or evolve, or something.
Along the lines of a PvMP in Moria, adding an additional map to Moria could pose entertaining, gated off GV style. The strategic maneuvors that can be done in confined spaces with alternative routes, bottlenecks, keeps, etc could breath fresh life into both PvMP and Moria.
The only other potential for open-world PvMP would be as a once a month zone invasion. Where say the Trollshaws is invaded for one day and MPs can come out but not travel past the end of the zone. This would be a very interesting concept that would allow a break from the monotony of PvMP, the event would have to be broadcasted and posted in the calendar so that people who don't want to partake could avoid the area for a single day. These zones are already low population, high population areas like Bree-land, and the shire would have to be excluded. There are multiple rez circles in each area, one could be closed off to freeps so that creeps could use it, or rez at grams with a swift travel back. This may also expose new players to PvMP that have been tempted to try it, just never made it out to the moors, defending an area that you know is much less daunting then running around a map that you've never been too.
PvMP does need something. It's been stuck in the ettenmoors for the last 5 years with the only thing added being the Delving of Fror which sort of flopped except as a PvE zone in a PvMP area to obtain PvMP items.
The moors needs to change, or evolve, or something.
Along the lines of a PvMP in Moria, adding an additional map to Moria could pose entertaining, gated off GV style. The strategic maneuvors that can be done in confined spaces with alternative routes, bottlenecks, keeps, etc could breath fresh life into both PvMP and Moria.
The only other potential for open-world PvMP would be as a once a month zone invasion. Where say the Trollshaws is invaded for one day and MPs can come out but not travel past the end of the zone. This would be a very interesting concept that would allow a break from the monotony of PvMP, the event would have to be broadcasted and posted in the calendar so that people who don't want to partake could avoid the area for a single day. These zones are already low population, high population areas like Bree-land, and the shire would have to be excluded. There are multiple rez circles in each area, one could be closed off to freeps so that creeps could use it, or rez at grams with a swift travel back. This may also expose new players to PvMP that have been tempted to try it, just never made it out to the moors, defending an area that you know is much less daunting then running around a map that you've never been too.
I agree that PvMP needs something. I am not debating that at all. You guys have been neglected and I support more attention to PvmP 100%.
But absolutely no to a once a month zone invasion. I paid for this game and I paid for a subscription to this PVE game. I want to be able to go anywhere I want(besides the Moors of course) without having to worry about a type of playstyle that I detest, which is PvP.
I hate Pvp, don't want to see PvP, and I don't want to have to stay out of a PvE zone because it got changed to PvP. Even for a single day.
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PvMP does need something. It's been stuck in the ettenmoors for the last 5 years with the only thing added being the Delving of Fror which sort of flopped except as a PvE zone in a PvMP area to obtain PvMP items.
The moors needs to change, or evolve, or something.
Along the lines of a PvMP in Moria, adding an additional map to Moria could pose entertaining, gated off GV style. The strategic maneuvors that can be done in confined spaces with alternative routes, bottlenecks, keeps, etc could breath fresh life into both PvMP and Moria.
The only other potential for open-world PvMP would be as a once a month zone invasion. Where say the Trollshaws is invaded for one day and MPs can come out but not travel past the end of the zone. This would be a very interesting concept that would allow a break from the monotony of PvMP, the event would have to be broadcasted and posted in the calendar so that people who don't want to partake could avoid the area for a single day. These zones are already low population, high population areas like Bree-land, and the shire would have to be excluded. There are multiple rez circles in each area, one could be closed off to freeps so that creeps could use it, or rez at grams with a swift travel back. This may also expose new players to PvMP that have been tempted to try it, just never made it out to the moors, defending an area that you know is much less daunting then running around a map that you've never been too.
no, I play LOTRO for the Epic story, no matter how many times I repeat it. And the story takes us to these "low-population" zones. Besides that you have people levelling up there... let them enjoy their levelling. If they want to experience the unfriendly PvMPers then let them go to the ettens
Add an arena where its set up as a 1v1 zone, within the moors. I am so happy that the rabid infection that some "pvpers" are limited in this game open world pvp would cause the following problems
1. Can you say NERF Hammer to all classes both freep and creep for the sake of balance
2. a very small percentage of intentional griefers getting their jollies ganking pretty much defensless or undergeared players
3. I have seen the effects of open pvp and i dont want to have to deal with the fall out and drama that the pvp attitude in some people would have on my kinship.
Give the pvmPers some love but in no way should it ever have any kind of impact on my enjoyment of the game
That's an exaggeration. If you have played MMORPGs before, you will understand that players don't make these kind of posts. If not, then I understand your defiance against PvP.
I would be delighted to share with you a mug while we listen to the glff channel on my server about heroic ganks, corpsejumps, campers and - of course - skill damage dealt to >insert creep name here>
Inspecting random people who filled her bio with whom they "pwned" included
@OP:
Season play ... I dont really know
Just give the freeps/creeps a new pvmp map like "Siege of Helms Deep" where the freeps hold the keep and the creeps try to tear it down.
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Add an arena where its set up as a 1v1 zone, within the moors. I am so happy that the rabid infection that some "pvpers" are limited in this game open world pvp would cause the following problems
1. Can you say NERF Hammer to all classes both freep and creep for the sake of balance
2. a very small percentage of intentional griefers getting their jollies ganking pretty much defensless or undergeared players
3. I have seen the effects of open pvp and i dont want to have to deal with the fall out and drama that the pvp attitude in some people would have on my kinship.
Give the pvmPers some love but in no way should it ever have any kind of impact on my enjoyment of the game
Just give the freeps/creeps a new pvmp map like "Siege of Helms Deep" where the freeps hold the keep and the creeps try to tear it down.
Or vice versa!
(Don't they have fortresses to storm and capture already? I've never been there.)
But don't call it Helm's Deep.
For one thing, the Ettenmoors are north of the Trollshaws, and Helm's Deep is in the Westemnet, which will (I assume) be in the NEXT expansion, which will be Eru knows when.
(Don't they have fortresses to storm and capture already? I've never been there.)
But don't call it Helm's Deep.
For one thing, the Ettenmoors are north of the Trollshaws, and Helm's Deep is in the Westemnet, which will (I assume) be in the NEXT expansion, which will be Eru knows when.
He said NEW pvmp map....
For the love of God, pls no more of these types of threads, especially on the pve boards.....
I DO NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY KIND OF PVP. ANY. AT ALL. EVER.
I am certainly not the only person playing the game that feels this way. So, thanks for the idea, but no thank you.
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If you have played MMORPGs before, you will understand that players don't make these kind of posts.
I've played MMOs since the early days of UO.
You're simply wrong. I used to make "I pwnd this guy" posts myself, & I wasn't the only one. If you think it didn't happen, then you weren't around on Rallos Zek or Sullon Zek, & that's all there is to it.
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For the love of God, pls no more of these types of threads, especially on the pve boards.....
It's the Suggestions section of the forums. It's the place to make suggestions, even unpopular ones
(Which this one certainly appears to be based on the replies in this thread).
Originally Posted by djheydt
I've suggested once or twice before that the PvMP forum have its own sub-forum for suggestions. Nobody seems to have taken me up on it.
Well, not all good suggestions get taken up on. Just look at the Kinship Revamp suggestion. That was suggested a long time ago, the thread is still getting /signed replies in it, and yet nothing from anyone at Turbine.
It's to date one of the top 5 player based suggestions in the history of the game(that I can remember), and it's not been actioned upon, which I believe is a great shame, because that particular revamp would bring a lot of joy to a lot of players(in my opinion).
As for PvMP.
I want them to have a new map to go to.
There's another LOTRO based website where this discussion is taking place, where I basically said "if PvE players only had one area to play in for 5 years, they'd be complaining as loud, if not louder than PvMP players do."
I haven't really been in the 'moors for years, and it's because I'm bored with the same ol' same ol' type of deal that goes on in there.
I'm basically, 90-95% a PvE player. I focus mostly on questing and Epics. This, however, doesn't stop me wanting improvements to the game for ALL types of players. PvMP players are long overdue a new area to fight over, unfortunately, it's not going to happen any time soon.
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I've suggested once or twice before that the PvMP forum have its own sub-forum for suggestions. Nobody seems to have taken me up on it.
Understandable and it really would be a good idea IF Turbine actually gave 2 cents about this aspect of the game. The truth is that they dont and ppl need to wake up and realize that and the sooner the better. Suggestions concerning pvmp in any way are a complete waste of a persons time to write up.
this game isnt WoW it isnt, Conan it isnt, DDo it isnt Warhammer . This game is not designed for open PVP. If they ever did honetly it would devolve into my least favorite nighmare the old Hoard vs Alliance thing that constantly goes on in that other game. If by some super obscure trick if fate and they should open it up then i think that they need to start all the creeps at level 1 and have them level and create a whole new game, and a totally different world setting .
Nah you were right first time, you are crazy. Man I can see it now there you are prowling around area x of Moria when along comes a hapless explorer looks at you thinking he's far enough away no way he will see me, and starts going about his/her business when all of a sudden he gets jumped by a goblin from nowhere and no matter where he runs he keeps getting the smack down from a toon who should have quit ages ago.
"if PvE players only had one area to play in for 5 years, they'd be complaining as loud, if not louder than PvMP players do."
I agree with this, but .... the fact that it hasn't changed in so long is a pretty strong hint that Turbine has no real inclination to do much about PvMP. That, in turn, tells me that PvMP simply isn't a money-maker for them; if it was, they'd have done a lot more with it a long time ago.
This is a heavily PvE-oriented game; PvMP was a sop to the PvP hounds, & as such it never should have been implemented at all.
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As Gandalf said on another occasion, It is news to me, but it does not surprise me. The only times Turbine has done open world PvP is in AC1 and -2, where they had a whole separate world for it.
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