Thread: The Ettenmoors Is Officially Dead

Backround:
I play a Warg, Black Arrow, And a Weaver (Spider) Creepside.
I play a Hunter, LM, Burg, and Minstrel Freepside.
All casually. Not hard core at all.

The last nail in the coffin went in this week....

I guess it was inevitable. Going back to RoI release....Minstrels became so OP no creep could take them on solo. Then BA's got stupid on-the move damage skills. Followed by Audacity. And the ridiculous commendation grind debacle... Which changed a lot of things for new players on both sides. I mean - Wargs are now even considered OP...???
Add to that the Store ptw items you can buy: Trackers, Brands, Pots, Even SKILLS??

Such a shame.

I applaud the core that has held it together till now.

But, alas, it has come time to move one. For all of us.

Wargs that can run into keeps full of NPC's and not worry about been killed....

Warden's that can solo the whole of OC and not even suffer a dent in Morale....

That leaves only one conclusion: FUN IS DEAD IN THE MOORS.

Comments welcome. Flames, I'm sure will abound....

I'd ask for your stuff, but I'm on the wrong server.

But to be serious--what is your point? Are you saying everyone is now OP? If so, then doesn't that kinda level it again?
As for skills from the store--take a look. They are limited.

PvP seems to get worse ever expansion, but from a server perspective people must still enjoy it or they wouldn't keep going back. Eldar seems to be rather active of late, so much the servers struggle to cope at times

a lotro equivalent of Huttball would solve everything

As F2P I only ever hung around the Moors creepside. As such I'm wondering how Minis especially are rated so OP by so many people. I generally play mine in War Speech on the normal map, and while I can get by without dying even in Great River, I wouldn't call that overpowered... can someone explain?

They are probably talking about the uber-geared minstrels who play PvMP all the time and know all the tricks.

Minstrels are kinda nuts because they have these big stuns, tactical damage which seems to hit harder than physical, and they can do all their attacks on the fly while running, as opposed to say a RK who needs to stand still and is handicapped with inductions.

The Deax Marshes are Dead.

The Ettenmoors are more like The Ettenless' these days

Originally Posted by EllisIstarnie

As F2P I only ever hung around the Moors creepside. As such I'm wondering how Minis especially are rated so OP by so many people. I generally play mine in War Speech on the normal map, and while I can get by without dying even in Great River, I wouldn't call that overpowered... can someone explain?

It is the combination of healing, damage and emergency skills. You can heal faster that they can do damage and you can peck away at their life total until they are dead. The HoT and PoT codas keep you topped off and you can just keep going and going. If things get hairy you can play dead which gives you enough time to cord of salvation or let other freeps come in and kill the people on you.

Originally Posted by enginekid

They are probably talking about the uber-geared minstrels who play PvMP all the time and know all the tricks.

Minstrels are kinda nuts because they have these big stuns, tactical damage which seems to hit harder than physical, and they can do all their attacks on the fly while running, as opposed to say a RK who needs to stand still and is handicapped with inductions.

Big stuns? The only good thing about it is the 40m range, it isn't even a guaranteed stun.

Originally Posted by enginekid

They are probably talking about the uber-geared minstrels who play PvMP all the time and know all the tricks.

Minstrels are kinda nuts because they have these big stuns, tactical damage which seems to hit harder than physical, and they can do all their attacks on the fly while running, as opposed to say a RK who needs to stand still and is handicapped with inductions.

RKs are never fire traited in the moors. All the lightning skills but epic conclusion can be used on the run. Really I think RKs are more OP than minis are for 1v1 but a mini is more likely to survive a pack of wargs or multiple opponents.

Originally Posted by Norana

Big stuns? The only good thing about it is the 40m range, it isn't even a guaranteed stun.

I thought they have 5 sec stuns and can basically use them over and over. I actually was kinda guessing

The moors is what it is. The dev's openly admit it was an afterthought. They routinely though try to take our money from it and give us the left over scraps like you would a dog under the table. I am not mad, I love the game. The economy is what it is and sucks. While I love what the pvmp on lotro is and it could be its own game and would have enough followers that have come and gone to other games out of boredom and neglect.

I play to spend time what i'm doing, on the classes I love not because they're the flavor of the month when ever that may be. Don't expect a lot from the moors,, also the people I enjoy grouping with and take the game for what it is.

I do how ever wish turbine would stop giving us minimal handouts to keep us pacified.

Originally Posted by enginekid

Minstrels are kinda nuts because they have these big stuns, tactical damage which seems to hit harder than physical, and they can do all their attacks on the fly while running, as opposed to say a RK who needs to stand still and is handicapped with inductions.

LOL /10chars

The Ettenmoors must be dead, TheMortician is here.

Funny how the current stress test is more enjoyable

I had hoped for more flames.....

And all I got was a discussion???

Oh well while you lot argue about it I'm off to TR rez too try and KB that Grizlark! I swear I'll get him one day!

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Originally Posted by enginekid

a lotro equivalent of Huttball would solve everything

Hobbitball. Epic.

Originally Posted by Stigger32

Warden's that can solo the whole of OC and not even suffer a dent in Morale....

Wardens could do this before Isen. Why do people always neglect to remember that?

Not that I disagree with you at all.

Didn't read any of this, but yeah audacity is seriously awful. The grind and lack of gear selection. Oh yeah moors is lame.

There is a huge class imbalance right now. BAs are crazy OP, wardens with their Defiant Challenge can hold on massive amounts of creeps. Wargs are very very strong now as well... This all with the whole p2w store doesn't help either. Everyone has the high rank skills and store insignias, trackers, potions. 90% people are afraid to be killed and they burn they money to survive. Kill and get killed, hand out the renown/infamy ffs!... Turbine took the joy from ranking creep away. Pvp in this game is one big fail and cash-cow... Commendations were introduced so you had to buy buffs from store as well, nothing to "balance" or "help" players...

Originally Posted by Faileon

...BAs are crazy OP

Are we playing the same game?

Originally Posted by gunlang

Are we playing the same game?

BAs require little skill to play and has an even chance or better verses every freep class (ignoring well played champs/minis).

Wargs are even better off than BAs, but require more skill to master and play.

Originally Posted by gunlang

Are we playing the same game?

I'm speaking from hunter experience, where every BA r5+ can pop MT (+brand) and go kill me inside EC/TR/Wherever under 10s. 75% ranged evade for 30s is IWin button. VT for 3k + dot, 12k+ morale and Uruk Heal on top of that. Yes, from my hunter perspective that is crazy OP.

Originally Posted by Faileon

I'm speaking from hunter experience, where every BA r5+ can pop MT (+brand) and go kill me inside EC/TR/Wherever under 10s. 75% ranged evade for 30s is IWin button. VT for 3k + dot, 12k+ morale and Uruk Heal on top of that. Yes, from my hunter perspective that is crazy OP.

Last time I checked Moving Target was available from rank 0.

Also, BA's are not crazy strong. You claim wargs are really really strong. Maybe you should expand your views and look at freepside.

Another thing, BA's can't go in the middle of TR (maybe EC, depending on luck) and kill you within that time. Against melee NPC's it's +50% evade, but there are quite a few NPC's. Trying to get a VT off would be difficult.

Anyway, ever heard of Line of Sight?

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Anyway, ever heard of Line of Sight?

Ever heard of 15s, 40% run'n'guned slow? Goodluck LOSing with that.

Some people always come with great solutions like this, but it doesn't work like that. Go and try to play hunter in the ettens for a week.

Go play a Minstrel/Runekeeper/Champion/Warden in the Ettenmoors for a week.

Then come back and try and claim BAs are overpowered.

Ye right BA are crazy OP...I see hunters on my server with fleetness and Penshot with every hit 2-2,5k ..so yea moving target and a single tactical stun and after that i die in 2-3s maximum.BA wargs and weavers are the only *playable classes* so yes lets nerf BAs they are quite OP

Originally Posted by cmal

Wardens could do this before Isen. Why do people always neglect to remember that?

Not that I disagree with you at all.

Not sure about others servers but, on Landy we had 3? Wardens back in the day that came to the moors on a regular basis. Now, a ton are out. So, maybe its just that with more of them out there, more people are seeing them do it?

Originally Posted by Stigger32

Wargs that can run into keeps full of NPC's and not worry about been killed....

Eh, lol? All it takes is one dps freep and that warg is dead in very few seconds with or without flayer...


I think you meant to say guardian or champion.

Originally Posted by Faileon

Ever heard of 15s, 40% run'n'guned slow? Goodluck LOSing with that.

Some people always come with great solutions like this, but it doesn't work like that. Go and try to play hunter in the ettens for a week.

Yeah. 40m range and massive damage. The difficulty must be like playing a freaver.

I'm gonna miss Stevo's sarcasm... And what kind of warg can run into a freep keep and not die? (If you mean stealthed, then yes, obviously, that's the point of stealth... To not be seen.)

I like how you people are flaming Morky, I thought the first post was actually pretty impartial and I would agree with most of the points, except that wargs and BAs aren't OP per se, but they are too strong for their functionality.

Stealth should always < Visible
Ranged should always < Melee

This includes hunters btw, while they're fairly squishy (the only freep class with no in combat 'oh &&&&' button) their dps can outdo a reaver's at range, albeit geared properly, but hey I'm talking about say, a rank 11 reaver too.

Time invested creepside < Time invested freepside

What annoys me more and more about my WL, is that I feel like I was given a watered down version of a minstrel and told it's a revamp!

its strange how something which was shoveled in before launch as an after-thought was initially fun...yet over the years the more the devs put 'thought' into it...the worse it has become..quite laughable really

Originally Posted by Faileon

Ever heard of 15s, 40% run'n'guned slow? Goodluck LOSing with that.

Some people always come with great solutions like this, but it doesn't work like that. Go and try to play hunter in the ettens for a week.

Hunts don't have it nearly as bad as all their whining would have people believe. Anyway...

My major gripe with the Moors is the grind. Creeps take too long to be viable. Commendations/Audacity is a GOD AWFUL system, for both sides. Best thing they can do imho is undo that particular 'improvement'. I mean seriously who in their right mind thought making PvP LESS ACCESSIBLE was a good idea?

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Hunts don't have it nearly as bad as all their whining would have people believe. Anyway...

My major gripe with the Moors is the grind. Creeps take too long to be viable. Commendations/Audacity is a GOD AWFUL system, for both sides. Best thing they can do imho is undo that particular 'improvement'. I mean seriously who in their right mind thought making PvP LESS ACCESSIBLE was a good idea?

+rep! I second this!

Long Live The Moors!!!

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Hunts don't have it nearly as bad as all their whining would have people believe. Anyway...

ROFL says the hunter who switched to warg when wargs became OP and then switched to minstrel when they became OP.

I've only been back a couple weeks but I see the writing on the wall too as does the OP (I started in pvp in jul 07). I didn't know that wargs in 'flayer' mode are that strong but I refuse to play a warg just to compete as the freepside is easily capable of killing most creeps in just a few seconds. As the owner of 2 lifetime accounts I can't see any reason to keep buying expansions if the pvp is going to be continueing on the path it is. I hope you are reading Turbine (and hope you aren't laughing as well).

LOTRO is terribly imbalanced and unfair, so the only viable solution for me was to stop caring about it anymore. I mean, some people have better gear, have more skills and store buffs, but who cares? It's just a game where you have to adjust to the circumstances. Also, working on one's skills is more important than on gear. I've seen guys sinking dozens of hours into getting a 3% dps buff or something, while, for example, adjusting their rotation would have given them a 15% boost.