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    Farmilya is back?

    I caught a certain RK farming himself.
    Killing a Warg, the warg wasn't attacking back at all. I went to attack the RK, the warg moved a little then just watched as I owned this poor rk. Then when the rk got low he finally started moving but the rk wasn't moving after that and the warg took the KB.
    Seems like Farming if you asked me.
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    Herculez been doin it with freavers...I been following his freavers n killing him.

    If you read forums Herculez or a friend of yours does and you dont want to be farmed by me anymore, stop farmin freavers and earn your rank like everyone else; through quests.

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    earn rank the honest way via zergs

    Quote Originally Posted by tnak View Post
    Herculez been doin it with freavers...I been following his freavers n killing him.

    If you read forums Herculez or a friend of yours does and you dont want to be farmed by me anymore, stop farmin freavers and earn your rank like everyone else; through quests.
    Can't have that, only zerging is acceptable


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    Wonder what his drive is...is he trying for a 2k rating or is he trying to farm to be the highest rank/worst played RK on the server.

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    was that the same guy you caught farming wargs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnak View Post
    Wonder what his drive is...is he trying for a 2k rating or is he trying to farm to be the highest rank/worst played RK on the server.
    Who knows, but 36k a day is way hardcore farming. 10 bucks says he was inspired by Farmpaws!

    Quote Originally Posted by tnak View Post
    was that the same guy you caught farming wargs?
    Yep, I didn't want to burst him out on the forums, mainly because I only caught him killing that one creep when I was on the way to DG on my little spider. It appears he just doesn't care anymore.
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    It's a good way to embarrass your kin...

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    Its really sad when the rks of vilya believe that they have to farm to get renown. How about you go learn to play your class then come back to the moors if you cant survive one r6 warg jumping you then you are doing something wrong. Granted im not the best rk out but im still able to make 8k a day its really sad to see 2/3 of the farmers being rks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArronJames View Post
    Its really sad when the rks of vilya believe that they have to farm to get renown. How about you go learn to play your class then come back to the moors if you cant survive one r6 warg jumping you then you are doing something wrong. Granted im not the best rk out but im still able to make 8k a day its really sad to see 2/3 of the farmers being rks
    RK's on this server have a history of farming...

    Forgot the name of the RK that got caught farming a couple years ago...I remember the kin and I could find his name pretty easy. I wanna say he was R8 maybe 9. The kin defended him only for another member of the kin to get caught farming a year or so later...funny how that works.


    36k a day seems nuts...could it just be a bug? Just all the time re rolling reavers and stuff seems like it would be impossible to farm all that...I bet they bot that &&&&!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slin6 View Post
    RK's on this server have a history of farming...

    Forgot the name of the RK that got caught farming a couple years ago...I remember the kin and I could find his name pretty easy. I wanna say he was R8 maybe 9. The kin defended him only for another member of the kin to get caught farming a year or so later...funny how that works.


    36k a day seems nuts...could it just be a bug? Just all the time re rolling reavers and stuff seems like it would be impossible to farm all that...I bet they bot that &&&&!
    What was the name of the Kin?

    Also, Kira had a LM on brandy and he farmed his 10 boxer for like 4 hours or so and got 18k renown. Didn't see his LM out the entire day while I was on creepside and he had 18k gained when I checked the daily stats the next day. It's possible I guess. He's freaking dedicated though
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    Why Askir is so elite...


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    Quote Originally Posted by tnak View Post


    Very out of character for Askir.
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    Meh

    Still the BEST rune-keeper and one of the more skilled players on our server. So yes. Elite

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnak View Post
    Shut the front door. I farm. So what? What does rank mean? If I can play my class up to par what does it matter if I'm rank 5 or rank 13? Get over farming.

    Anyways I doubt if that was Askir, he has no point to waste his time farming himself. Even if it was, props to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnak View Post
    While I do in no way support farming, is doing what Smegg does with his 24-man zergs against un-grouped freeps really that much different from farming?

    Regardless, it's quite disappointing...

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    Sad yall would rather farm yourself than play the game. Grats, Farmpaws is waiting for ya to join his club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnak View Post
    Sad yall would rather farm yourself than play the game. Grats, Farmpaws is waiting for ya to join his club.
    Farming yourself is wrong but farming others is just fine?
    Wait no, it's still wrong if you do it in 1v1. It's just organized farming!
    2:1 odds? Oh that's not farming that's pvp. Lol they feed us so why not kill them?
    Zerging is apart of the moors lolz.
    So what you got ganked by a warg pack, stop whining lolz.

    I'm not saying Farming is fine, but lol...the community is bad rae rae? I can agree with you on that one.
    Lets not act like someone is lower than another player because they are "farming" a different way than everyone else has been doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleeye64 View Post
    Farming yourself is wrong but farming others is just fine?
    Wait no, it's still wrong if you do it in 1v1. It's just organized farming!
    2:1 odds? Oh that's not farming that's pvp. Lol they feed us so why not kill them?
    Zerging is apart of the moors lolz.
    So what you got ganked by a warg pack, stop whining lolz.

    I'm not saying Farming is fine, but lol...the community is bad rae rae? I can agree with you on that one.
    Lets not act like someone is lower than another player because they are "farming" a different way than everyone else has been doing.
    Of these 1v1s do you know for a fact that you will win. Will you win 100% of the time. Will you 1v1 in the middle of ec? Will you 1v1 your own R0 freaver?

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    Hahahaa farmin.. hmmm.. idont know how yall get farmin out of it.. yeah the reaver keeps comin back.. askir isnt movin.. reaver keeps dyin.. i do that alot.. idont care if i die n know i wont getta kill.. and if yall say thats farmin.. what happened the other night when that captain kept runin back n gettin killed over n over again.. what you call that?? looks to me that same ishh.. so idont know why yall hate on farmin.. alotta people do so much n often too!!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnak View Post
    Of these 1v1s do you know for a fact that you will win. Will you win 100% of the time. Will you 1v1 in the middle of ec? Will you 1v1 your own R0 freaver?
    Some argue that people only choose 1v1s they know they will win!
    I get what you're saying, but the difference between farming yourself and the farming when you zerg all day, group against weaker forces, and dominate your opponent all day is about the same as the difference when you have a player who is playing a single player game on easy just cuz and one who uses cheat codes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleeye64 View Post
    Some argue that people only choose 1v1s they know they will win!
    I get what you're saying, but the difference between farming yourself and the farming when you zerg all day, group against weaker forces, and dominate your opponent all day is about the same as the difference when you have a player who is playing a single player game on easy just cuz and one who uses cheat codes...
    I worked approximately 3 percent harder than the farmer, so I earned my points!

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    I got jumped by a R9 reaver on my RK. I slowed him to gain distance. He popped 1 min INCOMBAT immunity brand. I was healing to wait it out...then he turn and ran before his immunity brand wore-off. He still died cuz he ran into a diff freep on his way back. Shows how pro the creeps are.


    There was also LOTS of creeps farming a certain champ at GV who kept running out suiciding with no hope of getting a kill or surviving. You players are hypocrites.

    I like how the creeps talkin smack support ezmode zergs. Pretty ironic if you ask me

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyloo22546 View Post
    I got jumped by a R9 reaver on my RK. I slowed him to gain distance. He popped 1 min INCOMBAT immunity brand. I was healing to wait it out...then he turn and ran before his immunity brand wore-off. He still died cuz he ran into a diff freep on his way back. Shows how pro the creeps are.


    There was also LOTS of creeps farming a certain champ at GV who kept running out suiciding with no hope of getting a kill or surviving. You players are hypocrites.

    I like how the creeps talkin smack support ezmode zergs. Pretty ironic if you ask me
    While I agree with every single point you made in this post, I still don't think that it justifies farming. Why stoop to their level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontdazemebro View Post
    While I agree with every single point you made in this post, I still don't think that it justifies farming. Why stoop to their level?
    Two negatives...

    EDIT: Well Askir, you say that it's going to make the creeps play the "right" way, but i think it's going to end up making them zerging and cjing you. Of course if you're raided up, maybe your fire you're lighting under them will make them jump up and fight your raid just to get at you. Or maybe it will make them sit in grams until the raid dwindles, and if you're still out, they will come out with full force.
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    Me farming gives them a reason to WANT fair fights...they'll have more and better pvp. That is a positive, not a negative.

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    I made an edit to my post. Though it was more of a response to your post in the other thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyloo22546 View Post
    Me farming gives them a reason to WANT fair fights...they'll have more and better pvp. That is a positive, not a negative.
    LOL how does you having your gear promote fair fights and better pvp...there will still be overwhelming creep numbers in general because the expansion is new. The only reason freeps are outnumbered is because of the previous statement.

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    @slownkite: I saw this situation today: I was farming in EC, creeps knew it. They ignored me. Instead, they killed a suicidal champ over and over at GV and farmed him when the champ had no hope of getting a kill and creeps had superior numbers. Killing an opponent over n over with the opponent having no hope of getting a kill, sound familiar?

    @tnak: It isn't about my gear. I made my statement in the other thread but i'll repost them here.

    1. I'm a healer. Without freep healers (they are far and few currently), the dpsers get rolled over so easily. This will help prevent others from going out against massive creep numbers and giving free points.

    2. Seeing how every day since RoR the creep population is overwhelming it'll either encourage the creeps to give freep a shot and stop ezmoding it up with superior numbers or it hinders the number of freeps out to kill. Lose lose situation for creeps.

    3. I was able to finish my audacity (although I just needed 1 piece to finish it) but now I can farm comms to get another 2nd age for my RK and audacity for my creeps.

    4. Creeps were hating me cuz I was farming in EC but instead of them stopping me, they'd sit at GV and farm just as easy of points. There reason: "if they're dumb enough to run out over n over again then I'll kill them." That right there is farming and it's no different than running a greenie reaver at a freep.


    I challenge those creeps to play their freeps out in the Moors and i'll play creepside. I'll even do a 5 vs 6 or 10 vs 12 so they can still have more numbers.

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    creep population is so high because the players that noramlly freep are on creep getting comms...little do they know if they would all just freep like normal, their comms will come much faster. That's what promotes better pvp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontdazemebro View Post
    , is doing what Smegg does with his 24-man zergs against un-grouped freeps really that much different from farming?

    Smegg mapping around the map with a craid killing un-grouped freeps sorta seems like the freeps fault. They are un-grouped and allowing it to happen. Its no where near the same thing. Farming is killing yourself or someone you know for rank and now for commendations not for being in a pvp zone.



    on a side note about smeggs groups .... I was out a few days before the expansion and smegg had a group and the were mapping all over the place killing folks. (that includes me) It reminded me of something I missed about the moors that used to happen a lot. I was sorta at the edge of my seat and worried while I was out cause I knew I was safe no where. AND freeps were constantly asking for groups in ooc. I think we need more freep leaders.
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    Farmilya is shardninja. If you don't see Kroch and Rott, then Farmilya is not back. I have seen them in the past few months, but not recently.

    Shard is the Godfather of Farming. If you're not farming multiple creeps at a time up to Rank 7-8, it's not Farmilya.

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    Idiotic

    1. Farming yourself over and over is just idiotic. While the rest of us work our butts off to get our Aud/Rank one just pulls a freaver out and kills it over and over (new ones of course for better renown/comms) is just sad.
    2. A suicidal Champ runing into Creeps over and over eventually gets ignored, or killed by different Creeps coz others get bored but more importantly it's comparing apples to oranges, he's coming out fighting, if he wants to die that's one thing, he could always just leave, are we supposed to give Freeps a free pass? I sure as hell don't get free passes.
    3. Comparing zergs which BOTH Freeps and Creeps do, I love how you always wanna say it's Smegg only, get over it because that simply is not the truth as I have been the recipient of MANY Freep zergs. You know what I do, I leave, I don't go back to get farmed. Once again, it's comparing apples to oranges, if you don't want to get zerged get the hell out.

    All the arguments for farming are ludicrous. Had a Warden on my last server farm his way to r10 and no one could touch him, he'd just alt-F4 beofre anyone could kill him. It's BAD FORM, imho it's unnaceptable period, and you, Askir, whether you care or not, have lost all respect in my mind and many others.

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    Its bad and the opinions on askir should change. But don't blow it up like the community is falling apart and the world is ending. Actions have consequences and as far as those consequences go should just point towards the person involved, don't blow things up don't cause more drama and move on so we can hurry up and start getting good fights out in the moors again.


    btw if you're going to do a video on someone farming do it right.

    http://www.veoh.com/watch/v7003165Gp...Tweedy+farming

    this was one made by an OoN member about 4 years ago. It's all about the delivery.
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    Maybe I should also start farming myself and justify it by saying bull**** like every freep on the server is a zergling.

    Saying you farmed to make PvP better is like saying you stole from a person to make other people more cautious (I know it's one hell of a comparison, but you get the point.)
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    I have lost all respect for Oskir, Askir etc.
    Wow.... just Wow *shakes head*


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    VU

    This thread is against the first rule of this community:

    1. While participating on the Community Sites, you must respect the rights of others to participate in the community. To this end you may not harass, defraud, threaten or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other members or Turbine staff. This includes, but is not limited to:

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    Go to VU if u gonna post something like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.AwesomeO View Post
    Creating a thread, post, or comment on any of the Community Sites that calls out another player(s) for their actions in the game
    Yup, this is Turbine's infamous rule to protect farmers (Farmers actually help Turbine as they earn more money from different accounts)

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    Junior Member Online status: Ethereal16 is offline Reputation: Ethereal16 the Neutral
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    Soiled reputation. Was it worth the petty renown?

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    Senior Member Online status: Fyrewyzrd is offline Reputation: Fyrewyzrd the Neutral
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    I'm not sure what is proof and what isn't...but to anyone Creep or Freep ...only you know if your a true cheater. When you are in the game, you are not a 'player' but simply a 'cheater'. Turbine tries to curb calling out other players because it 'does' weaken the community. How so? Because a lot of these guys are either just starting out and are cheating to catch up or they cheat because they're trying to stay ahead of others. At any rate they more than likely cheat at other things in their life and basically are the criminals of our society in some form or another. They will justify cheating in any way possible...but in the end its about respect, either from your fellow players or the opposition. The next player that is on the edge of this decision simply says, "Well they are doing it...why shouldn't I?" And so it begins...

    Nice Diplo video Holy ...that strengthened the community in its own special way.
    Battlebones TheHorseKiller (Oculus of Nex 07-08)

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