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    Save the moors

    I was wondering why people transfer instead of stepping up and trying to make our fishbowl the best on any server. Over the past 5 years we have lost a lot of very very very cool PVPERs and I don't understand it. They pay money to transfer then when they get there they see its all the same then quit the game. Its sad.

    All I have seen from every server is how this game or that game has better pvp or this server or that server is better. Why can't Arkenstone step the heck up and make our server the best pvp server. If the freeps raid up and start flipping Creeps raid up and start attacking the flippers instead of logging. If the creeps are raided up send a call out to your kin and stop them.

    Turbine has giving us the fishbowl people it is up to use how we want to fight. All this crying out my privates hurt im logging or this im rank 2 freep i dont have to listen to you old high rank people has to go. WE are killing the one part of this game I really like. It is up to every one of us the creeps and freeps to keep the fight going.

    It is up to us on how we keep the moors going please use this thread to come up with some Ideas on how to Save the MOORS if you are not apart of the solution you are part of the problem.
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    I was wondering why people transfer instead of stepping up and trying to make our fishbowl the best on any server. Over the past 5 years we have lost a lot of very very very cool PVPERs and I don't understand it. They pay money to transfer then when they get there they see its all the same then quit the game. Its sad.

    All I have seen from every server is how this game or that game has better pvp or this server or that server is better. Why can't Arkenstone step the heck up and make our server the best pvp server. If the freeps raid up and start flipping Creeps raid up and start attacking the flippers instead of logging. If the creeps are raided up send a call out to your kin and stop them.

    Turbine has giving us the fishbowl people it is up to use how we want to fight. All this crying out my privates hurt im logging or this im rank 2 freep i dont have to listen to you old high rank people has to go. WE are killing the one part of this game I really like. It is up to every one of us the creeps and freeps to keep the fight going.

    It is up to us on how we keep the moors going please use this thread to come up with some Ideas on how to Save the MOORS if you are not apart of the solution you are part of the problem.
    The problem is that its the PEOPLE who make the moors good or bad, and unfortunately most of the people out there these days are awful.

    And people most certainly do not quit the game when they transfer, I can probably name 10+ people on Elendilmir who transferred from Arkenstone who are out there on a weekly basis.

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    The moors won't be able to be saved until people realize raiding up and zerging everything in sight when the opposing side doesn't have any meaningful numbers is detrimental.
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    Moors needs people. Then all this other stuff wouldn't matter because there would be multiple options for playing.
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    Arkenstone was never a big PvMP hub. I am still surprised to see so many old faces here though. In a few days I will be back out there Freep side!

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    http://forums.lotro.com/forumdisplay...lendilmir-PvMP

    ^^^^Click the link above Balin, your forums are there^^^^

    Should you not be on E pvping it up where the action is so great? Or is it you just excel so well at forums pvp?

    There isn't really one simple fix to make Ark moors beast. Clarrow is right to a degree. Population is an issue. E has a larger population therefore it can cater to most people's needs. The same stuff goes on over there, I've seen the zergballs storm through the keeps first hand.

    Time differences can also cause problems. Sometimes when I log on there is a huge freep raid plowing down the map. And sometimes it's quite late at night... eastern time, anyway. I assume a normal person on the east who has a job and school and all that good stuff to do in the morning is probably already asleep. I'm not sure where everyone lives but everyone's play times aren't going to synchronize.

    Here are just a few of my suggestions:

    If you're the 1v1 type try roaming the map and if you don't have success, log over ask for 1v1s. Don't always expect them but it can't hurt to try. Sure there will be people against it or decline it and even some certain individuals(those from my experience in ooc who are quite bitter towards the game) would take offense to the suggestion lol. Don't let them sway you. Try anyway, I've seen quite a few folks do it and get great fights out of it, myself included.

    If you're in a small group, log over and ask if any other small group wants to fight your group etc etc.. or try roaming away from the bulk of the horde. All it takes are small efforts like that. I know for sure Morgul Blades and probably Blood Hand too who has the player base to form solid groups would love small group fights or raid fights.

    I know the spontaneous fights are always more fun than the organized fights, but it's just something to try when the moors is taking that downhill turn.

    Anyway that's just a couple of suggestions. Take it for what it's worth. Give them a shot maybe, try something new, you might enjoy it. Try to coordinate with the opposite side if all else fails. It beats brooding in grams or gv.
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    Moors arn't what they used to be, and thats for sure. People that have been around since the SoA days will see todays moors and quit, transfer or rant and rave about how much they miss the old days. Truth be, I see plenty of people out still. Maybe not as many but still a lot. I think our population feels less than it really is because a high percentage of our veterans are gone. Everyday I see names I'm not familiar with, and they be rank 3-6 usually. That to me shows that moors pvp is still interesting to some people at least. I really don't think it's that bad right now. Couple class's could take a nerf to even them out some and make more fair. Lets not even think about this next point because it's just a dream, but turbine could open up a new pvp zone, or at least revamp the moors, as they like to do with Ered Luin... I mean seriously.

    As far as suggestions to make the moors more interesting and fun on our end, and not turbines? Well the 1v1 tournys Flaky used to hold were fun. Setting them up, and hosting them does require a ton of work though.

    Taking the relic, and trying to stop the group, is pretty entertaining. A simple agreement between the craid and fraid that relic takes will be main focus for 1 day, could lead up to fun fights. Don't really have a lot of ideas myself.

    On a side note, multiple transfered creeps, including Droggo have told me they would like to transfer back to Ark, at least 1 toon. But it's a known bug that you can't transfer back to the server you used to be on. Your character becomes unplayable. But turbine will be happy to transfer it for you anyway and not mention that part!


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    Iam not a VIP anymore because i dont really see something worth logging in for, iam tired of the dame same map we have been playing in for 5 years and what you are asking for Elr is the same as asking turbine for changes so they give us a beard and tree after five years!

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    On a side note, multiple transfered creeps, including Droggo have told me they would like to transfer back to Ark, at least 1 toon. But it's a known bug that you can't transfer back to the server you used to be on. Your character becomes unplayable. But turbine will be happy to transfer it for you anyway and not mention that part!
    They do inform you its possible it may become unplayable. But i have heard of people transferring back...
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    ok I understand being under populated but shouldn't we try to make Arkenstone one of the best servers for small group actions? Daec is right the zerg blows. WE have all become mindless zombies tied to comms and points. What happen to the fun!! There are spots in the map we never fight at. a bunch of small groups would rule out there fighting all over the fish bowl.

    When is the last time you long in and didnt go to EC or Ta first. Freeps ever long in and go to goth or isen or straight to the little camps near HH. We have become creatures of habit and this must change
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    The moors won't be able to be saved until people realize raiding up and zerging everything in sight when the opposing side doesn't have any meaningful numbers is detrimental.

    It is so laughable that the one's who respond to this thread are the creeps responsible for a large part of why the pvp gameplay on this server is so horrible.

    @Daec - you and your 5 star play style that 99% of the wargs(the only one I can name who isn't is Auzue) adopt is a large part of why you've got terrible pvp here. I hope you enjoy being rank 8-9 forever, I have a screenshot of removing your 5 stars up at grams from early 2008, when the level cap was 60, and you were rank 8 then, nice job earning that infamy, that grams map must get the most work of any creep on any server relying on both cooldowns as you do. Vulfen, Bloodypaws, Nerrun, and countless other garbage wargs on this server would be middle of the road on E, and as far as the infamy earned, would be near the bottom as much as they are online relying on that playstyle.

    You can play however you want in the moors, Arkenstone is an amazing example of that, but if you want to improve things you might want to avoid being a straight up coward pvper like the majority of the top end creeps on this server.

    Most of not all of the creeps on this server would lose to my hunter or burglar in a 1v1. I can name maybe 5 creeps, all warleaders basically you'd have a chance at beating me. But I basically never see creeps out there solo without relying on map ins, ooc call outs or otherwise. Muzluks and Auzue are the only soloers creepside on this server, meaning the rest of them have lackluster play style. I can be soloing TR with Goldie, and the 2-3 creeps who come in and still the whole zergpack has to show up each time because that is what is always relied on, no sense of fair play, zero respect for the freep side.

    @Elricond - 90% of the transfers off Arken were actually good for this server, when the Immortals exploit crew led by Droggo left, things actually improved for about 3-6 months till the old playstyle came back. Arken has had some losses, mostly freepside but what can you do, there is only so much you can tolerate when it comes to this server. I did find it funny when Droggo ended up on E and had problems integrating. He is pretty much a middle of the pack player now, and his style had to adapt, it is funny to see how rough it is on the Arken coward creeps who take off thinking its the server not them who make it terrible here.

    @Baglun + @Bloodloaf - If you seriously wanted "better" pvp on this server you would have altered your style a long time ago, clearly you don't want to. Creeps can argue that Baglun leads creep raids and uses legitimate tactics like flanking, fighting in open ground, but I can name maybe a handful of times I've seen this happen in the past 3 years.

    You want to complain about freeps raiding up? What a joke. The freeps who are left on this server during primetime are horrible 90% of the time. They have no choice but to raid up. Maybe once a week they are actually effective as a full 24 man raid, and can roll a superior raid of creeps well equipped. But most of the time they barely survive, all they do is get a few kills, unless its a complete zerg bubblefest. Most of the time what I see is a superior creep force reliant on Warleaders(4-5 bubbles) sit infront of TA, push with Immunity tokens, be it store bought or legit. Reliant on Immunity pots, that are bugged, and block slows for 1 min, instead of just 10 seconds.

    Complaining much about freep raids pveing? Defend your keeps with less than superior numbers. The creepside is terrible at this, you don't have the same overpowered force and you'll map out and sit out after one death that might drop your precious rating by defending your keeps, then you'll come back with a zerg 10 mins after the freep raid breaks up.

    The amazing flanking Baglun does is usually done when the creeps have 1.5x the force or more, they ball up infront of TA, where they shouldn't even be resorting to sitting, then there is a side flank with a warleader powerdrain banner. Such amazing tactics can't be matched. Oh, and don't forget the immunity tokening spider that has to dump and burrow on top of the raid every time. You're overwhelming a weak force of creeps when you should be just fighting them straight up with your superior numbers, instead you resort to every possible advantage to wipe them with the least amount of creep casualties.


    For years creeps were underpowered, beyond purple cjs creep classes were horribly designed and executed. On Elendilmir those creeps decided to maximize their playing style to compensate. They used Vent, they organized, they got better, and they outplayed the overpowered freeps(even the top kinship ones) on undermanned creep classes for years. Those freeps relied on Champ ball zergs of keeps, rangers, and a great number of the tactics Arkenstone creeps resorted to, but for years they were dominated by better creep players.

    On Arkenstone you had the opposite result. The turtling inside keeps, relying on cooldowns, exploits, superior numbers, zerging, bubbling and so on has been the norm for 4/5 years I've been Pvping on Arkenstone.

    Finally after years of begging creeps are no longer underpowered. Warleaders, Wargs, Blackarrows, Spiders, and Reavers of high rank are all now comparable if not better than their freep counterparts as far as skills and abilities go. But on Arken things are still the same. You'll still have the 5 warleader bubble immunity crew running in and shouting down 1 freep, then 5 bubbling back into TA over and over again. You'll have the numbers, and not push. You'll have the wargpacks who are sitting in grams till both CDs are back up. You have the unnecessary flanks. You'll send the Tyrant into TA when you have 1.5x the numbers.

    Don't hope for better game play on this server, it won't be coming till about 30-40 creeps all transfer off and infest some other server with their terrible style. The only reason why I pvp on this server anymore is to get that kill on that immunity tokening, bubbling, zergfester that thinks they can continue to play the way they do without risk of death, beyond that there is nothing here on this server pvp wise, hasn't been for 3.5 out of the 5.5 years of pvp.

    @Pugga - I am glad you are leaving, good luck adapting your garbage style elsewhere, it'll be laughable when you are just another no name creep somewhere else. I hope you take more of your terrible players with you.

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    I've enjoyed PvP on this server since my transfer. I played on E and the constant zerg on each side couldn't even be classified as PvP, just whoever could bring more people. From my limited play time over here so far the freep community seems nice enough and there are some skilled creeps. Just keep having fun and play the game how you want to play it

    See you guys out there.

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    @Daec - you and your 5 star play style that 99% of the wargs(the only one I can name who isn't is Auzue) adopt is a large part of why you've got terrible pvp here. I hope you enjoy being rank 8-9 forever, I have a screenshot of removing your 5 stars up at grams from early 2008, when the level cap was 60, and you were rank 8 then, nice job earning that infamy, that grams map must get the most work of any creep on any server relying on both cooldowns as you do. Vulfen, Bloodypaws, Nerrun, and countless other garbage wargs on this server would be middle of the road on E, and as far as the infamy earned, would be near the bottom as much as they are online relying on that playstyle.
    Yep relo, because you've never ran or hips'ed from a fight. You are a shining example of aggressive and fight till the end game play, i applaud you for this.

    Just kidding, i think you're upset i am better at getting away than you are.

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    Finally after years of begging creeps are no longer underpowered. Warleaders, Wargs, Blackarrows, Spiders, and Reavers of high rank are all now comparable if not better than their freep counterparts as far as skills and abilities go. But on Arken things are still the same.
    Warleader: No
    Warg: Possibly as good
    Blackarrow: Possibly as good
    Spiders: No
    Reavers: No

    Your entire post is so full of hypocrisy and delusion i am beginning to think we aren't playing in the same moors or even on the same game.
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    @Bloodloaf - If you seriously wanted "better" pvp on this server you would have altered your style a long time ago, clearly you don't want to.
    You don't know me very well then. MB was created November 2011, and we only had 7 members until March this year when I braught in many of the other verterans on this server. Prior to last November, I basically solo'd my way from rank 8-9 which took me over a complete year to do so. Sorry if I no longer wish to be this sides Jimmeo. I always gave people 1v1's even rk's when they were the death angels of the moors to a pre-isen updated WL. Which by the way was probably the most gimped PvP class at that time. My rating had never seen above 1300 until this year. I was a officer in The immortals long ago, and I did leave that tribe for my own reasons. When I lead in todays moors, which isn't often, I do generally try to do whats best for both sides.

    I did try to bring better PvP to this server, and for the most part I just got facerolled/corpse jumped a thousand times to show for it. It even got to the point where Rahb and his MeW raid would ride past me and leave me alone if they came across me. Not sure if it was pity or for honor....

    As far as the rest of your post, you sure make it sound like it's solely only the 30-40 creeps that need to transfer off this servers fault. That freeps aren't to blame for anything. I'm not sure what your smoking, but I wish you'd share!
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    It is so laughable...yadda yadda yadda QQ wall of text...terrible players with you.
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    ok I understand being under populated but shouldn't we try to make Arkenstone one of the best servers for small group actions?
    If that is in reply to my post, I gave some of my suggestions for more/better solo or group play, if you read further down. I know it's a long winded post.
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    Yep relo, because you've never ran or hips'ed from a fight. You are a shining example of aggressive and fight till the end game play, i applaud you for this.

    Just kidding, i think you're upset i am better at getting away than you are.


    This made me lol... time and time again i see this scenario with you...

    On my hunter.. I track.. your close.. I get off the first shot, you hips and sprint away.. retrack.. your extremely distant...

    A few days ago.. you pounce me and start a fight.. RK rolls by.. you hips and sprint away. You are the biggest coward in the moors that ive ever seen... just stating the facts.

    Aigs

    Edited... funny you wont even bother pouncing my Guard.. just be glad he cant track.. ive taken your stars twice on him now...


    As far as Relo's wall of text... he is spot on with the problems in the moors.. the creep playstyle is very defensive.. unless they have the WL Bubble Brigade... Countless times Ive watched greater numbers in creep raids sit in a keep.... or map out when the freep force pushes in on them. You wonder why there is a PvE Ball of freeps in the moors? I suspect they get tired of chasing you from keep to keep and just flip the keeps and move on with better things to do than chase a large mass of creeps who have no desire to engage them unless it in the middle of them trying to flip a keep.

    I will say they were some nice fights last night at OC - WTAB.. but I can also say the majority of notorious names posting here in the forums on creep side where no where to be seen. Take it from the rest of the creeps who brought it last night with equal numbers.... it works and is fun when you realize having all those pretty little stars only shows you afraid to fight.
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    Don't like it, Step up and start leading raids. alot easier to talk about how &&&&ty the fraids are than leading one

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    This made me lol... time and time again i see this scenario with you...

    On my hunter.. I track.. your close.. I get off the first shot, you hips and sprint away.. retrack.. your extremely distant...

    A few days ago.. you pounce me and start a fight.. RK rolls by.. you hips and sprint away. You are the biggest coward in the moors that ive ever seen... just stating the facts.

    Aigs

    Edited... funny you wont even bother pouncing my Guard.. just be glad he cant track.. ive taken your stars twice on him now...


    As far as Relo's wall of text... he is spot on with the problems in the moors.. the creep playstyle is very defensive.. unless they have the WL Bubble Brigade... Countless times Ive watched greater numbers in creep raids sit in a keep.... or map out when the freep force pushes in on them. You wonder why there is a PvE Ball of freeps in the moors? I suspect they get tired of chasing you from keep to keep and just flip the keeps and move on with better things to do than chase a large mass of creeps who have no desire to engage them unless it in the middle of them trying to flip a keep.

    I will say they were some nice fights last night at OC - WTAB.. but I can also say the majority of notorious names posting here in the forums on creep side where no where to be seen. Take it from the rest of the creeps who brought it last night with equal numbers.... it works and is fun when you realize having all those pretty little stars only shows you afraid to fight.
    Its always nice to know other people care more about my stars than i do.
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    People are gonna play how they want, and for the most part no amount of suggesting or complaining is going to change anything.

    As for flanks, yes Baglun does them.

    As for stars, who cares? Turbine is going to give us nothing for pvp, so people have to make their own game, and aiming for 5 stars gives people SOMETHING to do, just like trying to take those stars away.

    My suggestion: if someone is very unhappy with pvp here, either do something about it or go to a different server or go to a different game or just simply shut up. Complaining about the moors, but doing nothing to change your own situation and your own level of enjoyment, is pointless.

    btw you can use TP to transfer servers

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    No Morth I wasnt replying to your post really. I liked your post that's why I said that. =)
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    Red face

    Some quick thoughts based on experience playing where the the grass truly is greener...

    1) Don't raid up unless warranted. As soon as your raid starts to steamroll, disband. Make the raid-babies learn how to fend for themselves. Way too many OOC calls such as "Raid I can join?", when a raid is not needed. Ark is a small server, the times that raids are appropriate are limited. Promote fellowship size or less groups.

    2) Move around the map. If fights get static, move. Trust me the other side will move with the food. OC/EC camps will break up quickly without points.

    3) Communication needs improvement. Server-wide TS or Vent really helps build community. In-lieu of server-wide voice, kins should be more welcoming to OOK/OOT.

    4) Respect your fellow player and give good fights. Knock off the hugging, running, hips, corpse jumping, etc... On the same token, if you are subjected to the above, get back out there and fight and keep trying to promote clean, aggressive play.

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    Its always nice to know other people care more about my stars than i do.
    Not sure if that's possible if you sprint after one shot lmfao! That just leaves me all warm inside when a dog does that to me while i'm on Leo

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    Last night, South of EC, I ran into a fight that I didn't realize was a 2v2 spar at the time. The area around EC was pretty hot at that time, so I saw a fight, and wanted in it. My apologies to those involved in the spar :/

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    It was most likely when Bearson and I were fighting Omani and Bloodloaf. It wasn't anything we planned, and Bearson and I weren't grouped... we just saw them and started going at it. I'll never be one to get angry at a freep for looking out for one of their own. I do know how you feel though, as I've been yelled at for watching a 1 v 1 and not helping thinking I was doing the right thing. It's all good though Cas, I wasn't angry... and to Omani, Bloodloaf and Bearson, it was a good fight

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    Thanks Malibuphor! My warg, Sigheri, pounced your mini behind a tree up by Grams a while after that, and stopped attacking (waved and left) as soon as I realized you were afk, so you know I don't take cheap shots. My apologies to the others as well.
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    Cool aye

    Ok, I agree that pvp isnt at its best right now when I see all these pve guys trying to flip keeps when a creep raid is zerging ec. I mean, why dont they realize they are in a pvp zone and not in the shire??? I agree we need to make moors nicer and we need to step up to show we're the bests on Arkenstone, but we'll have some work ahead. Anyway, im 100% with you guys! See ya around in the moors.

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    Mixed team night?

    I know this probably sounds like a bone headed idea, but I know a lot of you out there enjoy spars and 1v1 action. I was thinking..... anyone interested in having an event where ppl teamed up in creep/freep pairs to do battle w/ other creep/freep pairs? If we had a couple of dozen creeps and freeps and teamed up with a player from the opposite side, we could then spread out in a designated area, and when one team saw another, battle on. The only rule is you must target the other team's opponent, and can't help the creep/freep on the other team. First team to score a kill wins the match.

    I think it would be a lot of fun! We could have lots of small battles all night. Or if we had enough ppl, teams of two creeps and two freeps. It could make for a lot of very interesting combinations and battles!

    Just a thought...... it might be more fun than an evening of fighting out of a keep, getting zerged, or even zerging! Definitely different. It might even promote some goodwill amoung those involved. That's not a bad thing, either.
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    I know this probably sounds like a bone headed idea, but I know a lot of you out there enjoy spars and 1v1 action. I was thinking..... anyone interested in having an event where ppl teamed up in creep/freep pairs to do battle w/ other creep/freep pairs? If we had a couple of dozen creeps and freeps and teamed up with a player from the opposite side, we could then spread out in a designated area, and when one team saw another, battle on. The only rule is you must target the other team's opponent, and can't help the creep/freep on the other team. First team to score a kill wins the match.

    I think it would be a lot of fun! We could have lots of small battles all night. Or if we had enough ppl, teams of two creeps and two freeps. It could make for a lot of very interesting combinations and battles!

    Just a thought...... it might be more fun than an evening of fighting out of a keep, getting zerged, or even zerging! Definitely different. It might even promote some goodwill amoung those involved. That's not a bad thing, either.
    People have had ideas like this in the past. The problem is how unbalanced certain classes are right now compared to others. If, for example, a really good healing RK and a Warden paired up, could any pair of creeps beat them? The answer is no. Don't get me wrong, if things were a bit more balanced I'd jump at the chance to participate in something like this. Just not right now.

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    Hi Blulum~
    I was actually thinking of something a bit different....... creep/freep teams of two, or teams of two freeps and two creeps each side if we got enough players. So for example, you and I might be on the same team fighting other creep/freep pairs. It might be fun... something different. Also, we could try to make teams as balanced as possible. Maybe no one traits heals. The best fights are fast, intense ones, anyway. Let's try to bring toons that make it easy to balance some teams out. Maybe if you've got a rank 5 warg, we team them up with a rank 10 mini so each team is as balanced as we could make it, and each team can go out and score some wins.

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    This made me lol... time and time again i see this scenario with you...

    On my hunter.. I track.. your close.. I get off the first shot, you hips and sprint away.. retrack.. your extremely distant...

    A few days ago.. you pounce me and start a fight.. RK rolls by.. you hips and sprint away. You are the biggest coward in the moors that ive ever seen... just stating the facts.

    Aigs

    Edited... funny you wont even bother pouncing my Guard.. just be glad he cant track.. ive taken your stars twice on him now...


    As far as Relo's wall of text... he is spot on with the problems in the moors.. the creep playstyle is very defensive.. unless they have the WL Bubble Brigade... Countless times Ive watched greater numbers in creep raids sit in a keep.... or map out when the freep force pushes in on them. You wonder why there is a PvE Ball of freeps in the moors? I suspect they get tired of chasing you from keep to keep and just flip the keeps and move on with better things to do than chase a large mass of creeps who have no desire to engage them unless it in the middle of them trying to flip a keep.

    I will say they were some nice fights last night at OC - WTAB.. but I can also say the majority of notorious names posting here in the forums on creep side where no where to be seen. Take it from the rest of the creeps who brought it last night with equal numbers.... it works and is fun when you realize having all those pretty little stars only shows you afraid to fight.
    i agree with you here... wanted to 1v1 me on his ba .. at the time i was heal setup so i had no dps. anyway i accepted it and fair enough i heal my self.... and do small damage at the same time useing dots....... when ever i got him down to 8k or less he would run out of sight get outofcombat and get his power/health full then come back and try again... . then he latter crys on the forums abouthow i was just standing there healing in a 1v1! when im still slowly killing him he runs like a cowardly girl

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    Some quick thoughts based on experience playing where the the grass truly is greener...

    1) Don't raid up unless warranted. As soon as your raid starts to steamroll, disband. Make the raid-babies learn how to fend for themselves. Way too many OOC calls such as "Raid I can join?", when a raid is not needed. Ark is a small server, the times that raids are appropriate are limited. Promote fellowship size or less groups.

    2) Move around the map. If fights get static, move. Trust me the other side will move with the food. OC/EC camps will break up quickly without points.

    3) Communication needs improvement. Server-wide TS or Vent really helps build community. In-lieu of server-wide voice, kins should be more welcoming to OOK/OOT.

    4) Respect your fellow player and give good fights. Knock off the hugging, running, hips, corpse jumping, etc... On the same token, if you are subjected to the above, get back out there and fight and keep trying to promote clean, aggressive play.
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    i agree with you here... wanted to 1v1 me on his ba .. at the time i was heal setup so i had no dps. anyway i accepted it and fair enough i heal my self.... and do small damage at the same time useing dots....... when ever i got him down to 8k or less he would run out of sight get outofcombat and get his power/health full then come back and try again... . then he latter crys on the forums abouthow i was just standing there healing in a 1v1! when im still slowly killing him he runs like a cowardly girl
    sorry but how is he acting like a coward when your sparing him but constantly healing yourself? Its no fun that way because you can't lose. Its actually quite pathetic.

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    sorry but how is he acting like a coward when your sparing him but constantly healing yourself? Its no fun that way because you can't lose. Its actually quite pathetic.
    why sould i stand there and let him kill me cuz i have no dps? he wanted to 1v1 me and he runs away like a girl everytime i get him close to death. lol

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    why sould i stand there and let him kill me cuz i have no dps? he wanted to 1v1 me and he runs away like a girl everytime i get him close to death. lol
    So you expect me to stand there with no power and let you kill me because i have no dps?

    As i said, i'm not the one who ran and pulled npcs from TA front door and took off, i would assume in an effort to "stop" the spar.
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    How about, since this is a "Save The Moors" thread, we use this thread to come up w/ constructive ideas of how to make the Moors more fun and balanced for all involved?

    Another idea...... maybe we could have an agreed upon night where no grouping was allowed in a certain area. If anyone is sitting, leave them alone because they're just trying to get their health or CDs back. Anyone on their feet is a fair target as long as they're not already fighting someone else, and no interfering in 1v1s (that means no healing someone else who's in combat).
    Geändert von Nouri (Jul 17 2012 um 01:53 PM Uhr)

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    How about, since this is a "Save The Moors" thread, we use this thread to come up w/ constructive ideas of how to make the Moors more fun and balanced for all involved?

    Another idea...... maybe we could have an agreed upon night where no grouping was allowed in a certain area. If anyone is sitting, leave them alone because they're just trying to get their health or CDs back. Anyone on their feet is a fair target as long as they're not already fighting someone else.
    That's been tried before, groups wouuld run through the area and kill anything they saw because "its not on BM".
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    Hmmmm, too bad :/ Maybe we could all pounce any group in the area

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    Some quick thoughts based on experience playing where the the grass truly is greener...

    1) Don't raid up unless warranted. As soon as your raid starts to steamroll, disband. Make the raid-babies learn how to fend for themselves. Way too many OOC calls such as "Raid I can join?", when a raid is not needed. Ark is a small server, the times that raids are appropriate are limited. Promote fellowship size or less groups.

    2) Move around the map. If fights get static, move. Trust me the other side will move with the food. OC/EC camps will break up quickly without points.

    3) Communication needs improvement. Server-wide TS or Vent really helps build community. In-lieu of server-wide voice, kins should be more welcoming to OOK/OOT.

    4) Respect your fellow player and give good fights. Knock off the hugging, running, hips, corpse jumping, etc... On the same token, if you are subjected to the above, get back out there and fight and keep trying to promote clean, aggressive play.
    Look at this thread, glff, and moors ooc from either side of the fight out there and you'll identify the pinch point is a lack of #4 in general.

    I started keeping track and it's looking like a shutout with Chuck - 3 : That Guy - 0.

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