Thread: "Training Hall" for Forced Emotes

I've seen a lot of threads complaining about the forced emotes from the festival consumables. A compromise would be to only have the consumables usable in specific "training hall" areas in the festival grounds. The training hall would have NPC's inside it that the consumables could be used on to advance the deed, or you could use the consumables on other players who happen to be in the training hall to advance their deeds.

I could live with that.

What do you propose for those that have completed the deeds? Do those outside the "training hall" still have to put up with them?

(I prefer a general solution, not a specific one for specific circumstances...but I'll take what I can get and advance the issue from there.)

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

That is the part I struggle with. Maybe the deed granted emotes could be put on a 1 day cool down outside the training hall. That would limit how often a person could use them. Another solution would be to make the emotes unusable on toons that are interacting with npcs or crafting, but I'm not sure how that could be implemented.

The emotes are meant to be used socially with other players where ever you want, not confined to some remote closet area on an NPC dummy. If they did something like this I would never do these deeds.

I think that's a great idea. They have festivals IRL where they set up pie thowing areas/tomato throwing areas where you can throw said food at certain people. This reminds me of that. You don't just cart the tomatoes away and throw them at random passers-by. You throw them at willing people. I really like this idea.

They can even make it a game. Hit X character for Y amount of points, A character for B amount of points, etc. Have them run around the area even. Make it fun. I'd love that.

I think this is a great idea

Originally Posted by enginekid

The emotes are meant to be used socially with other players where ever you want, not confined to some remote closet area on an NPC dummy. If they did something like this I would never do these deeds.

Really? You have a direct quote from someone in authority at Turbine that that is the stated purpose of the forced emotes? It's not just your inference from the circumstances of their existence and lack of (current) restrictions?

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by enginekid

The emotes are meant to be used socially with other players where ever you want, not confined to some remote closet area on an NPC dummy. If they did something like this I would never do these deeds.

Strange, all I seem to be to the emote users is a 'training dummy' anyway. I still haven't had anyone do more than hit me with a drive-by emote.

Originally Posted by paintpixie

You don't just cart the tomatoes away and throw them at random passers-by. You throw them at willing people.

Well, you can throw tomatoes at random passers-by IRL, but it usually results in a citation (or worse) if you're caught.

This idea completely kills the purpose for those of us who like to actually use them among group a friends when questing/deeding/doing the 63938745th foundry run in a row. I support having an area specifically for deeding (maybe give us training dummies for them?) But I cannot support turning them off everywhere else.

I still think coding a toggle is our only option, as it's the only one that would benefit both sides. This, however, would benefit one side, while being incredibly detrimental to the others (I am not including griefers in this, they're morons).

I really doubt that anything is going to be done about this. It's been a blind spot for Turbine right from the start of LOTRO. They're the ones who coded in the Captain, Champion and Minstrel forced emotes years ago. They're the ones who coded in all the forced emote items.

Despite more than a year of complaints and tickets about the use of these things for griefing and annoying other players, nothing has been done. At this point, it seems very unlikely they will ever admit that the whole thing was a hideous mistake that they need to fix in some fashion.

I too would love to see a toggle that would allow anyone who dislikes being hit by these things to turn them off. Personally, I loathe them so much that my Captain, Champ and Minstrel have never learned the class skills that allow them to force other characters to emote. My Minstrel has the fire breath skill because she was cheered however many times that takes. She's never used it.

Originally Posted by Avarune

My Minstrel has the fire breath skill because she was cheered however many times that takes. She's never used it.

Well, if it eases your mind, that's just a normal emote that doesn't affect anyone but yourself. O.o

No, the reason I dislike this idea is because it ONLY takes into consideration griefers and people who hate them.

It does NOT consider at ALL the rest of us, we who occaisionally light each other on fire while grinding trees in the LLG, or pop candles on each other while waiting for the tank to stop being afk in an instance.

Or, Turbine could simply enforce the CoC against people who use these items to grief others repeatedly over time.

Originally Posted by Redstar

I've seen a lot of threads complaining about the forced emotes from the festival consumables. A compromise would be to only have the consumables usable in specific "training hall" areas in the festival grounds. The training hall would have NPC's inside it that the consumables could be used on to advance the deed, or you could use the consumables on other players who happen to be in the training hall to advance their deeds.

Dumb idea. What's the point of the emotes if you can't use them on others?

Originally Posted by Summer_Beor

Or, Turbine could simply enforce the CoC against people who use these items to grief others repeatedly over time.

There will be people that will open tickets against people that randomly throw ONE on them just because they, don't want to be hit with them.

Originally Posted by Summer_Beor

Or, Turbine could simply enforce the CoC against people who use these items to grief others repeatedly over time.

That's fine if one gets emoted 12 times in an hour by the same person. What do you do when it's 12 different people who do it once each in the same hour? That is certainly not griefing, yet the effect on the target is the same, with no recourse available. I've said it before, and it bears repeating; being emoted at a level less than griefing is still annoying, and worthy of a toggle. Turbine set it up so I can ignore spar requests from character inception; these emotes are definitely worthy of the same treatment.

Originally Posted by Summer_Beor

Or, Turbine could simply enforce the CoC against people who use these items to grief others repeatedly over time.

The problem I see with this is that some of the people who take an issue with forced emotes seem to be reasonable about it, as it's definitely very possible to grief people this way, but I've seen posts from a few that act as if they've just been &&&&& every time they're forced to cheer. These few can't even begin to fathom that not everyone with these emotes is lurking in the bushes waiting to ruin their day, and might just be using them in (what they feel is) good fun. That's pretty much how I've always taken it, and I've only ever used mine on my wife and my friend.

There was a post from someone that I had read earlier, that someone used an emote on him once, which caused him to immediately put the guy on ignore, because that's a reasonable reaction... In this instance, you could easily have someone skipping by, chucking out an emote on someone with complete lack of evil intent, and getting reported for griefing immediately because someone with a hair trigger and complete lack of perspective doesn't want anyone to touch him.

As I said definite griefing is one thing, but if you start punishing people for doing something in all innocence that they're otherwise not forbidden to do, it's going to scare people away and fragment the community even more. I've seen people called out in regional as an "ADD addled WoW kiddie" for jumping while walking down a path (i really wish I was making this up), so it's definitely not outside the realm of possibility that the reporting of this can be abused just as easily.

The best solution for all is a toggle, plain and simple. That way the easily offended can live in their own little world without having to deal with us rabble, the reasonable roleplayers can do so without being griefed, and the innocent emotecaster can do so once or twice without fear of being banned by some jerk looking for a reason to be angry.