Windows 7 Business and Ultimate, for example, have a downloadable componant called Windows XP Mode, that emulates a PC running a fully licensed copy of WinXP Pro.
Apologies in advance...but this sort of creeping misuse of technical terms irritates me no end...
What you are describing is a *simulator*, NOT an *emulator*. Emulators include direct hardware support (IBM, for instance had a true 1401 *emulator* on the early S/360s...there were actual hardware additions to the processor required for the software portions to work). Emulators are faster than simulators because of the hardware additions required.
It's all one with the misuse of "baud" to mean "bits per second". Back when 1200 bps modems were current tech, there was NO SUCH THING as a "1200 baud" modem, since a 1200 bps modems ran at 600 baud (this was because each change in line state--the definition of the measurement unit "baud"--carried two bits of information).
Yeah...I realize it's a losing battle. Languages change. But I will continue to rage against such abuses.
Apologies in advance...but this sort of creeping misuse of technical terms irritates me no end...
What you are describing is a *simulator*, NOT an *emulator*. Emulators include direct hardware support (IBM, for instance had a true 1401 *emulator* on the early S/360s...there were actual hardware additions to the processor required for the software portions to work). Emulators are faster than simulators because of the hardware additions required.
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Yeah...I realize it's a losing battle. Languages change. But I will continue to rage against such abuses.
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Apoligies as well, I was trying to keep the post as short and simple as posible, since this is 'offtopic'.
Sometimes, using words that would be more familar to the average user, even if they are not technically correct, makes the concepts easier to understand, and as such, is an acceptable trade-off, IMHO. In this case, the person I was replying to did not know what a VM was, So I thought it best to answer in this manner. No language abuse was intended.
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It is admirable that Turbine would continue to promote the new product, however consider the option of accepting those who have not pre-purchased the expansion: the more people that you can expose to and get excited about the new product, the more you will sell.
It's my understanding that players that have not pre-purchased RoR do have a chance of getting an beta invite. Those the do pre-purchase simply have a 'slightly better' chance of getting an invite.
Am I mistaken?
However, I'm curious to know if VIP vs. Premium vs. FreePlayer makes a differance in your chances of getting an invite.
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We'll let everyone know when beta has started, those invited will get an email.
We're also working on some beta key giveaways for later in beta so everyone can get a shot. If you wanted to maximize your odds there, I'd suggest liking our Facebook page and following us on Twitter. As that will give you three possible ways to win.
Hi Sapience!
Just might want to let you know that the previous bullroarer download tittled "lotrohigh.exe" on the forums has been difficult to install for several. I dont know if its true or not but i think that the said installer might be broken. If there is any other way of installing Bullroarer when it is public it would be nice to know
Can't wait till launch of BETA (bee-ta >.<) and of expansion itself
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Originally Posted by Giliodor
you never know what Sapience means with soon O_o
Originally Posted by Fralin
IF you paid 70 - You have a chance to get into beta
IF you paid 50 - You have a chance to get into beta
IF you paid 40 - You have a chance to get into beta
IF you paid 0 - You have a slightly less chance to get into beta
good luck
Actually, Based on that, you need to set declining odds until you get to the 0 part. At that point you need to be very lucky indeed (or as I mentioned above win a key from us)
Originally Posted by TheNightAngel
Sapience, will you inform the public when the beta starts? Or will our only indication be an invitation email
Invitations are being prepared as we speak. I'll let you know as we get closer to sending them out.
Originally Posted by Mightytree
It is admirable that Turbine would continue to promote the new product, however consider the option of accepting those who have not pre-purchased the expansion: the more people that you can expose to and get excited about the new product, the more you will sell.
Hibbit answered that really well...
Originally Posted by Hibbit
... the Beta isn't a early look at RoR. Its testing RoR and helping Turbine to have a better Expansion.
We need people who will test the product and report bugs and such. The people most likely to do so are those who have made an investment and have, literally, a vested interest in helping us ship the best product we can. That's why we invite from those who pre-order ahead of everyone else.
Originally Posted by Lohi
Those who are in beta can not talk about beta. You can not even tell others that you are in the beta, unless you are invited and decline the invite. So any advertisement from people in beta would only occur very late in the process after the NDA is removed.
Right. In fact any 'advertisement' from people in beta, and under thus under NDA, would result in them being immediately removed from Beta and banned from any future beta or preview programs.
One piece of beta news I can give you right now...
There are keys on their way to my desk from an undisclosed location.
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Actually, Based on that, you need to set declining odds until you get to the 0 part. At that point you need to be very lucky indeed (or as I mentioned above win a key from us)
Invitations are being prepared as we speak. I'll let you know as we get closer to sending them out.
One piece of beta news I can give you right now...
There are keys on their way to my desk from an undisclosed location.
So, in "Sapience Time", how close are we to beta?
(Sorry, just had to give it a shot...)
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Invitations are being prepared as we speak. I'll let you know as we get closer to sending them out.<br><br>
One piece of beta news I can give you right now...
There are keys on their way to my desk from an undisclosed location.
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Actually, Based on that, you need to set declining odds until you get to the 0 part. At that point you need to be very lucky indeed (or as I mentioned above win a key from us)
Invitations are being prepared as we speak. I'll let you know as we get closer to sending them out.
Hibbit answered that really well...
We need people who will test the product and report bugs and such. The people most likely to do so are those who have made an investment and have, literally, a vested interest in helping us ship the best product we can. That's why we invite from those who pre-order ahead of everyone else.
Right. In fact any 'advertisement' from people in beta, and under thus under NDA, would result in them being immediately removed from Beta and banned from any future beta or preview programs.
One piece of beta news I can give you right now...
There are keys on their way to my desk from an undisclosed location.
Bless you, Sapience, for putting us out of our misery!
We need people who will test the product and report bugs and such. The people most likely to do so are those who have made an investment and have, literally, a vested interest in helping us ship the best product we can. That's why we invite from those who pre-order ahead of everyone else.
I understand this reasoning, but I would like to point out that you will miss a group of people who are waiting on the purchase solely for financial reasons, but would be just as committed to testing as anyone who had the money to pre-purchase. Of course, you probably already know this, and I agree that the chances of picking someone committed from the pre-purchasers are higher than from those that don't pre-purchase. Still, being in the "can't afford it yet" group, the policy makes me sad.
Using reverse phycology and leading questions i have worked out my friend is on the bull roarer server for alpha/beta testing.
Just explains his sudden absence. And we respect the NDA. He wont even tell me if it's fun.
I have been wondering weither a premium who has bought proberly more than a VIPer would be accepted into bullroarer, if we have the pre-order. I am only a premium because I realy don't PVMP so choose to own content rather than rent it, (and I do own all the content i could rent). I know lifers who have paid alot less than me but are in much better situation.
Plenty of other places he could be and still not be allowed to talk about. Plenty of other NDAed betas going on.
Turbine said they'd announce when they sent the beta invites. Unless your friend regularly disappears when lotro-testing is coming up, I doubt this is the reason. Certainly if you have interest in betas and that sort of thing and are a subscriber, consider applying to Palantir for their on-going testing.
I have been in many beta tests, most of them very tightly closed ones. I haven't even bought all those games; some of them looked very interesting to me at first, but after having been 2-6 months within the beta teams, I lost my interest in several cases. They just weren't my games.
However, I jumped in later to see what's happening when some of these companies sent an invite for testing an update. Those times when I decided to "return" into a not-so-interesting game was mainly to meet some old friends. Though, that doesn't mean I wasn't productive; if I join a beta test, I'll always do my best. Sometimes up to the point where the poor guy managing the servers and being on standby for reboots learned to hate me after this kind of message through MSN or IRC:
"Hey, the server just crashed and I think I know why it happened... but it needs to be reproduced for reporting purposes. Could you go reboot the server and stay around while I try a few tricks to blow it up again?"
I have to admit it was kinda fun, though, to tease 'em like this. :P
I would never "pay in advance" just to be able to participate, which is why I'm not even trying to get into RoR beta. It doesn't feel like a right way to get in. Beta is an unfinished product, and testers should be people who are willing to help in bughunting and testing, whether they have invested in the product in advance or not.
About Sapience's statement regarding those who have already paid for the product being more dedicated or "having more interest"; no, that's not necessarily true. It's fairly common that those who preorder are in fact preordering only in hopes of getting an "early start" with the new game or expansion.
(In other words, to gain an advantage over players who haven't preordered. This advantage is very simple - detailed knowledge of the content prior to release. Whether this should be considered a small or big advantage depends on the point of view.)
In many games where any kind of progression happens (leveling up or such), it's fairly easy to spot those who have gone through the content before live release. They're often those who level up or "progress" ridiculously quickly on live servers, even when compared to an experienced and dedicated gamer who does his best to keep up, but simply can't because he has to think a bit here and there.
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I would never "pay in aance" just to be able to participate, which is why I'm not even trying to get into RoR beta. It doesn't feel like a right way to get in. Beta is an unfinished product, and testers should be people who are willing to help in bughunting and testing, whether they have invested in the product in advance or not.
About Sapience's statement regarding those who have already paid for the product being more dedicated or "having more interest"; no, that's not necessarily true. It's fairly common that those who preorder are in fact preordering only in hopes of getting an "early start" with the new game or expansion.
I disagree with this statement, and I doubt it's a "fairly common" reason for pre-purchasing a game or expansion. Just for a chance to get into a beta that will last for a few months? (In LOTROs case, it's less than 2 months) Betas come and go, but you'll enjoy the live game for a longer period of time. That's my opinion, anyway.
I'm sure there are a few players that do this, but I really doubt it's a common reason.
I believe it's more likely that players do this for the shiny pre-order fluff, or the warm fuzzy feeling you'd get from supporting a game you enjoy.
EDIT: That being said, and in the interest of fairness, wouldn't it be just as likely that players who have spent a great deal of time playing the game would also make good testers? In that case, they also have a vested interested in the game, it's just time spent instead of cash. It's still an investment either way..
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I believe it's more likely that players do this for the shiny pre-order fluff, or the warm fuzzy feeling you'd get from supporting a game you enjoy.
Where should this "warm fuzzy feeling" come from? From being part of the testing team? From paying for the game?
If it's supposed to come from the beta, then paying in advance shouldn't have anything to do with it, nor should it really be required. Testing isn't any different depending on whether you've invested money on it or not. If it's from the paying, how is the preorder payment going to really give you more of this "warm fuzzy feeling" than paying the same amount of money after the game has been released? (Considering that you get the same deal. Ignore the "fluff" and extras in this question, please.)
Also, "fairly common" as a term doesn't mean that it's the primary reason. It doesn't say anything about that reason being in majority. It only sort of says that's it's one of the top reasons, and I've seen this to be true in many cases.
In one specific beta I participated in, every tester was designated to a group, distinguishing "preorder testers" from those who were allowed to come in otherwise, for example through individual applications or through company's own invites based on prior experiences with the player. Random invitees were the third different group.
In that test, amount of bugs per week submitted, reproduced or commented on average was significantly lower within the group of those players given the chance through preorder than within the group that was invited individually. We were shown the "statistics" at the end of beta, and the difference was very significant.
Random invitees -- as in, testers who were invited randomly based on their interest indicated through a "sign up here if you want a chance to participate in beta" page without any details but their e-mail address and age asked from them -- were the "lowest quality" group of testers. They submitted hardly any bugs compared to "preorder testers", who in turn submitted significantly lower number of bugs than those invited individually.
And no, don't ask what company or what game. I'm not allowed to say that, even though that specific beta is long gone now. I'm not going to ruin my chances of getting into further betas for that company's future games by revealing who arranged this kind of little "test within a beta test" and also showed us the cruel statistics.
In RoR beta, this example doesn't fully apply though, as there's apparently no way to find all these three distinguished types of testers. At the very least, random invitees are missing completely, which is only a good thing, as they're usually not very productive -- except in whining about a buggy game without telling anyone what bugs they found. (Yes, that's actually a common way for a random invitee to act in a beta test.)
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I would imagine past experience has shown them that players who aren't invested in the game file less bugs, cause more trouble, break the NDA more, etc.
Where should this "warm fuzzy feeling" come from? From being part of the testing team? From paying for the game?
If you had read my previous sentences, which you did not include in the quote, you should have seen that I meant that you'd get the warm-fuzzy from pre-purchasing the expansion, and hence financially supporting LOTRO.
Originally Posted by Elaida
And no, don't ask what company or what game. I'm not allowed to say that, even though that specific beta is long gone now. I'm not going to ruin my chances of getting into further betas for that company's future games by revealing who arranged this kind of little "test within a beta test" and also showed us the cruel statistics.
That is not relevant here, and I, for one, don't care to know what other betas you've been in.
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Actually, Based on that, you need to set declining odds until you get to the 0 part. At that point you need to be very lucky indeed (or as I mentioned above win a key from us)
We need people who will test the product and report bugs and such. The people most likely to do so are those who have made an investment and have, literally, a vested interest in helping us ship the best product we can. That's why we invite from those who pre-order ahead of everyone else.
Surely Turbine has better criteria for selecting beta testers other than they just happened to pre-order?
LOTRO needs to be re-introduced to the MMO world. It has soooooo much going for it. There needs to be a buzz in the MMO world. Awards are good but I surmise getting awards does not translate into a landslide of subs. Perhaps there will be an influx if there was some sort of Tolkien based movie coking out soon.........a movie where buzz could be created about a certain MMO!
Let's just say I wouldn't ignore my inbox this weekend if I were you.
Everyone, rush out and feed those starving hobbits in Hobbiton, There's far more important mail to get through this weekend then to have it ruined by nosy hobbits. Let them eat pie until they must nap!
"Where now are the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?"
I know! In Riders of Rohan expansion
"Where is the rider, where the horse,
Where is the armoured knight?
Where is the harp, the deeds of song
That filled the hall with light?
O shining helm, O splendid prince,
O valour on the green,
Now dark and silent under night
As if they had never been!"
(Adapted by me, years ago, from Se Eardstapa or "The Wanderer," which was also Tolkien's source.)
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