Explain to me how creeps can roll through a keep take it no problem because they outnumber freeps big time and instead of pushing tr what do they do.............hide in the keep they just took with greater numbers then freeps
Want to point fingers at rez camping freeps i cant argue it because its true but the example i just gave happens almost everyday from creeps.
SHOW NO MERCY take all the keeps if possible, push until they push back instead of falling back to Ta and having the OUTNUMBER freeps come and fight there.
P.S. i still love you
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Explain to me how creeps can roll through a keep take it no problem because they outnumber freeps big time and instead of pushing tr what do they do.............hide in the keep they just took with greater numbers then freeps
What am I to explain here? Both creeps and freeps do the same - most creeps and freeps don't move an inch past npcs without numbers.
Here's a difference though, with my groups if we have ~6, we'll push on TR (to change the venue from WTA/OC), killing npcs - trying to move the fight from the stale and stagnant WTA/OC. We'll eventually get wiped, but we manage a heap of infamy in the pushing. I don't need numbers.
Here's a couple of examples of fun for me: yesterday, we had a small trio - myself, a WL and a reaver. We parked ourselves on TR road and caught 7 freeps coming back from the rez. We killed one freep, but it took them ~7mins to wipe us. After we released, we all exclaimed 'EPIC FIGHT!'
Last week, we pushed on TR, small group of 8, a metric s**t ton of freeps out. Towards the end of the fight, we were beaten back to trhs. The number of freeps it took to exhaust us? Twenty-one.
Great fun.
My point is this, and this only: there is more to pvp than WTA/OC fights for countless hours on end (and I would like to encourage more small grouping in the process).
More freeps and creeps need to put themselves in ridiculous situations, roam the map, push their limits and die or win in the trying.
What am I to explain here? Both creeps and freeps do the same - most creeps and freeps don't move an inch past npcs without numbers.
Here's a difference though, with my groups if we have ~6, we'll push on TR (to change the venue from WTA/OC), killing npcs - trying to move the fight from the stale and stagnant WTA/OC. We'll eventually get wiped, but we manage a heap of infamy in the pushing. I don't need numbers.
Here's a couple of examples of fun for me: yesterday, we had a small trio - myself, a WL and a reaver. We parked ourselves on TR road and caught 7 freeps coming back from the rez. We killed one freep, but it took them ~7mins to wipe us. After we released, we all exclaimed 'EPIC FIGHT!'
Last week, we pushed on TR, small group of 8, a metric s**t ton of freeps out. Towards the end of the fight, we were beaten back to trhs. The number of freeps it took to exhaust us? Twenty-one.
Great fun.
My point is this, and this only: there is more to pvp than WTA/OC fights for countless hours on end (and I would like to encourage more small grouping in the process).
More freeps and creeps need to put themselves in ridiculous situations, roam the map, push their limits and die or win in the trying.
1. Agree with the WB/OC thing 100 percent
2. Alot of creeps do the same thing wont leave npcs and that sometimes leads to oc camping
3. Im referring to taking Ta against 6 to 7 freeps vs 25 plus creeps and instead of pushing the freeps inside Tr they're happy to sit in Ta and wait for the freeps to come to them.
Bothsides suck at doing it but i just seen this happen and couldnt believe my eyes.
BTW no creeps on now and Ta blue again..........dont you see something wrong with this picture(cough flippers)
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“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
BTW no creeps on now and Ta blue again..........dont you see something wrong with this picture(cough flippers)
Right.
And the creeps are probably getting demolished at OC.
Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL
I was just thinking about that fight you said you had vs 21 freeps and i think we can both agree on creeps HEALING abliltys are pretty OP.
Dont denie it you know im right
Not exactly.
At the END of the fight (~10 were chasing Skully's group with the relic, then turned back for us), there were 21 and the group that was engaging us were mostly solos.
And, having a mini, I can say with certainty: minstrel healing > defiler healing.
And the creeps are probably getting demolished at OC.
Not exactly.
At the END of the fight (~10 were chasing Skully's group with the relic, then turned back for us), there were 21 and the group that was engaging us were mostly solos.
And, having a mini, I can say with certainty: minstrel healing > defiler healing.
I also have a minny and the hots are no where as good as defilers plus you dont get agro in a keep :P
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
What am I to explain here? Both creeps and freeps do the same - most creeps and freeps don't move an inch past npcs without numbers.
Here's a difference though, with my groups if we have ~6, we'll push on TR (to change the venue from WTA/OC), killing npcs - trying to move the fight from the stale and stagnant WTA/OC. We'll eventually get wiped, but we manage a heap of infamy in the pushing. I don't need numbers.
Here's a couple of examples of fun for me: yesterday, we had a small trio - myself, a WL and a reaver. We parked ourselves on TR road and caught 7 freeps coming back from the rez. We killed one freep, but it took them ~7mins to wipe us. After we released, we all exclaimed 'EPIC FIGHT!'
Last week, we pushed on TR, small group of 8, a metric s**t ton of freeps out. Towards the end of the fight, we were beaten back to trhs. The number of freeps it took to exhaust us? Twenty-one.
Great fun.
My point is this, and this only: there is more to pvp than WTA/OC fights for countless hours on end (and I would like to encourage more small grouping in the process).
More freeps and creeps need to put themselves in ridiculous situations, roam the map, push their limits and die or win in the trying.
It's come to the point where there are finally some smallish groups running around creepside again, which is great.
Unfortunately, freepside is still mostly solo, which sucks for the smallish groups.
I'm probably safe to assume that your groups consist of tribemates... the problem is there's not really any freepside PvP kins that play/group regularly, which means there's not much opposition.
Can't realistically blame freeps for not wanting to group up regularly with strangers; they've already got their PvE kins they belong to... and there's always the fear that you'll get stuck with &&&& players that'll weigh you down. Creepside tribes are strictly for PvP which makes regular grouping easier and more consistant with people you know. That's just how I see it, maybe freeps really are just lazy. :P
All I can hope for at this point is for freeps to start matching the small groups, and on top of that keep them consistent (not form a group for a day and solo for the rest of the week). Once that happens PvP will start picking up, imo. Just need more devoted freeps... that are willing to group (and are good at grouping) lol.
How many times can you creatively flank WTA/WB/OC? I've ran out of ideas.
Ninja'd TR. Red Lugz/TR. 14+ Freeps still at OC.
We watch the keeps for a few. One smallish group of freeps show to TR. The rest? +20 at this point, huddling in TA.
I give up.
(BTW - one creep zerg out, mine - 6 creeps)
Count elmo and I in for begging people to leave OC....we called out tr being taken numerous times and only a couple (whom I felt bad lying to) actually moved. The rest stayed camping OC. That was why I went on my warg, to push the idiots staring at the rez out. I seriously don't understand how anybody thinks that is PvP. I wish creeps would stop going there and freeps would as well.
Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans
Ok even if RK/minnie heals are over that of defiler and WL, none of you can deny the survivability of a good well rounded creep group with a defiler, WL, wargs and BA. Healz we had a fight just now that I honestly found pointless to go back to because while we were slowly wittled away, losing power to flies etc none of you were losing any health. Eventually it might have come down to power but who knows.. Honestly, with a well rounded ranked creep group with audacity, I don't feel like creeps are in too much of a bad spot. If freeps had more than minis and hunters at the time things would have been different with more kills on both sides. It was a fun fight it just like towards the end less people were willing to go back and no point in me running back to die alone.
Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans
Ok even if RK/minnie heals are over that of defiler and WL, none of you can deny the survivability of a good well rounded creep group with a defiler, WL, wargs and BA. Healz we had a fight just now that I honestly found pointless to go back to because while we were slowly wittled away, losing power to flies etc none of you were losing any health. Eventually it might have come down to power but who knows.. Honestly, with a well rounded ranked creep group with audacity, I don't feel like creeps are in too much of a bad spot. If freeps had more than minis and hunters at the time things would have been different with more kills on both sides. It was a fun fight it just like towards the end less people were willing to go back and no point in me running back to die alone.
We didn't lose any health? Um. Sulty died, then I died then healz died. Ese went back to heals with npcs on him, rezzed him and then ran off the npcs. (all of the first floor, mind you) and then Sulty mapped back, and then I mapped back. If you want to run we don't care. But don't make stuff up.
*edit* Btw elmo, nice corpse jump on a 9v4 with 2 out of group creeps. Props! I'm so proud of you<3
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Ok even if RK/minnie heals are over that of defiler and WL, none of you can deny the survivability of a good well rounded creep group with a defiler, WL, wargs and BA. Healz we had a fight just now that I honestly found pointless to go back to because while we were slowly wittled away, losing power to flies etc none of you were losing any health. Eventually it might have come down to power but who knows.. Honestly, with a well rounded ranked creep group with audacity, I don't feel like creeps are in too much of a bad spot. If freeps had more than minis and hunters at the time things would have been different with more kills on both sides. It was a fun fight it just like towards the end less people were willing to go back and no point in me running back to die alone.
I died. Sulty died and so did Running.
By the time we were at BV, Alberigo had lost the npc aggro and rezzed me, and the pups had mapped back in.
Ok even if RK/minnie heals are over that of defiler and WL, none of you can deny the survivability of a good well rounded creep group with a defiler, WL, wargs and BA. Healz we had a fight just now that I honestly found pointless to go back to because while we were slowly wittled away, losing power to flies etc none of you were losing any health. Eventually it might have come down to power but who knows.. Honestly, with a well rounded ranked creep group with audacity, I don't feel like creeps are in too much of a bad spot. If freeps had more than minis and hunters at the time things would have been different with more kills on both sides. It was a fun fight it just like towards the end less people were willing to go back and no point in me running back to die alone.
I don't agree at all. If a well rounded Freep group encounters a well rounded high ranked Creep group and they have even numbers, they should DESTROY the Creeps. If they don't, they are probably bad.
Last edited by PhantomPunkk; Jun 27 2012 at 05:54 PM.
Agreed. On that matter I'd say RK Heals > Mini's > WL's > Defilers (RK's over minnies due to Crit Immunity and MV spam, and even though Defilers have a lot more potential than WL's, considering moors is all about focus fire, WL's get a bubble and big CD's heals, whilst defilers are terrible against burst dps. (I've seen defilers explode when using Blessing of Darkness)
But then you have Enhanced Flies, that on the big run, considering a fight where both sides are outhealing their counterparts' DPS, will decide a fight by making freeps go out of power. But that's just one skill, from one class.
But then you have Song Brother, that on the big run, considering a fight where everyone is going out of power, will absolutely fill out a freep's power that has flies on him. Yes, there's a counter for flies. But that's just one skill, from one class.
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Freep: Esegar
Creep: Alberigo, Tocu, Parasect, Flamenguista, Seroxat and Tylerdurdenn
Well, Mins heals are consistently better than RKs. But RKs have better big skills that make a huge difference. Either way both are vastly superior to anything Creeps have. The only thing Creepside has going for them is Flies atm, and those aren't even that good. I just fear them away, personally.
We didn't lose any health? Um. Sulty died, then I died then healz died. Ese went back to heals with npcs on him, rezzed him and then ran off the npcs. (all of the first floor, mind you) and then Sulty mapped back, and then I mapped back. If you want to run we don't care. But don't make stuff up.
*edit* Btw elmo, nice corpse jump on a 9v4 with 2 out of group creeps. Props! I'm so proud of you<3
Umm accusatory much? I'm talking after the NPCs were gone and you had mapped back to the fight. In which case, yes while NPCs were on you, you did get rocked and mapped back because yes NPCs were on you. However after when it was you 5 and I think 5 or 6 of us all tactical (maybe one hunter? I wasn't grouped with anyone other than elmo so hard to tell) which didn't help nothing much happened. And the survivability of that group was very noticeable. All I was pointing out that it almost got pointless and by the time I died people had stopped going back but overall I thought it was an enjoyable fight for being more drawn out. No need to accuse me of making stuff up when I'm relaying what happened (talking from a point when AFTER the npcs were gone which is not making anything up).
And wil, I'd agree if I saw that anymore. When was the last time two well rounded groups fought each other? All I see is tactical masses freepside these days. This fight was all tactical and it was very noticeable how quickly health was recovered if you couldn't land crits. I'd be curious how a well rounded group would actually do because this fight was
As for the fight that was 9v4? Umm talk about making stuff up? Yes more freeps showed up because you were in the path of a rez point. But as I recall it was 9v4 , with two additional wargs that were out of group that were later added to by an a BA (Soul) a reaver (munstar) and another warg (Aeka? Sp?) as well as bugga and shak. Also when we started it was 5 mostly ungrouped of us versus 4 of you knowing there were two straggler wargs there as well and after the addition of the freeps and creeps it became a close to even fight. At the start it was hobo, skor, az, myself and a mini versus you 4 plus the two wargs that had just killed us previously. You might have been 4 in one group but I'm pretty sure other than Elmo and myself, none of those freeps were grouped either. It was a good fight and I had fun but if your going to accuse me of making stuff up, make sure you aren't doing the same.
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Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans
Well, Mins heals are consistently better than RKs. But RKs have better big skills that make a huge difference. Either way both are vastly superior to anything Creeps have. The only thing Creepside has going for them is Flies atm, and those aren't even that good. I just fear them away, personally.
Gratz on fearing them away but they're still OP to the rest of us
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
We didn't lose any health? Um. Sulty died, then I died then healz died. Ese went back to heals with npcs on him, rezzed him and then ran off the npcs. (all of the first floor, mind you) and then Sulty mapped back, and then I mapped back. If you want to run we don't care. But don't make stuff up.
*edit* Btw elmo, nice corpse jump on a 9v4 with 2 out of group creeps. Props! I'm so proud of you<3
9v4 LOL where did you go to school because you cant add.
I CJ people all the time dont like it get out of the moors if you cant handle it.
P.S. Starks is giving lessons you should join them
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Notice, the 4 of us (yes, four - there were a couple of stragglers) didn't run.
And that's how you do it.
(And if rez camping is the only way to move the fight away from NPCs, I'll do it)
Yes it was a good fight, both sides got kills and both sides got additional support as others showed up. As for running, I didn't run from the fight earlier but with people saying they weren't going to waste their time leaving I wasn't about to go back to die by myself after I'd already just died. I kept saying for others to go back to no avail because I enjoy the drawn out fights better than NPCs and hiding.
Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans
Agreed. On that matter I'd say RK Heals > Mini's > WL's > Defilers (RK's over minnies due to Crit Immunity and MV spam, and even though Defilers have a lot more potential than WL's, considering moors is all about focus fire, WL's get a bubble and big CD's heals, whilst defilers are terrible against burst dps. (I've seen defilers explode when using Blessing of Darkness)
But then you have Enhanced Flies, that on the big run, considering a fight where both sides are outhealing their counterparts' DPS, will decide a fight by making freeps go out of power. But that's just one skill, from one class.
But then you have Song Brother, that on the big run, considering a fight where everyone is going out of power, will absolutely fill out a freep's power that has flies on him. Yes, there's a counter for flies. But that's just one skill, from one class.
Ummm let agree to disgree because maybe rk/minnys heals are better but the entire ability of a defiler and Wl to stay alive is so much greater then minny/rk(Im talk zergs not single straight up)
When i WL can run through a keep and have EVERYTHING on him and not die yeah not comparision and it doesnt help that defilers wont get agro because they have the no threat bug right now.
theres no fighting those flies btw sorry not going to buy the song brother &&&& those flies are OP and you know it
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
So now ames you're saying there were 7 out of group? 2 wargs, reaver, ba, akea and two wargs whose names escape me? Are we talking about the same fight here cuz there were maybe 2 or 3 out of group. And in group there were 4. Just saying
*And your pet name, worstwargever ? To me or not, it's cute. You should keep it forever
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So now ames you're saying there were 8 out of group? 2 wargs, reaver, ba, akea and two wargs whose names escape me? Are we talking about the same fight here cuz there were maybe 2 or 3 out of group. And in group there were 4. Just saying
Oh so we're using the group thing well then it was 4 of you vs 2 of us since it was just me and Ames........
First fight was 5 vs your 4 with zero melee then both creeps and freeps came outside of groups
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
I'm leaning to agree with Ames and Elmo. Freep heals are superior overall but all it takes to shut a mini or rk up is some wargs. Minis and rks are just not as durable as a defiler or wl. Neither side seems that out of place in terms of healing from what I can see. Stacking flies is just an obnoxious part of moors atm, it will empty your power bar in no time, fearing them is often not a solution since you can count on someone in group shing shinging them right after.
Let's talk about that 1min slow immunity that creeps are still choking down.....
Oh so we're using the group thing well then it was 4 of you vs 2 of us since it was just me and Ames........
First fight was 5 vs your 4 with zero melee then both creeps and freeps came outside of groups
I never mentioned the group thing. I was acknowledging that there were out of group on creep and freep. so it was 9v8, and as mentioned before, the freeps should destroy creep groups and you did. And I understand that you had no melee and that's our faults?
So now ames you're saying there were 8 out of group? 2 wargs, reaver, ba, akea and two wargs whose names escape me? Are we talking about the same fight here cuz there were maybe 2 or 3 out of group. And in group there were 4. Just saying
At the start of the fight no at the start of the fight it was you 4, plus the two out of group wargs versus our 5 with two of us being grouped (all at the start). So that makes six vs 5 which you acknowledged your 4 plus 2 out of group creeps. Then as we were fighting, the warg aeda or aeka, the BA soul and the reaver munster showed up as well as other freeps which ended up totaling 9 versus your 9 for totals fighting. Thats not to say who was alive or not alive or where the fight was at, thats just numbers involved.
I'm just saying, your painting a picture of a 9vs 4 which in fact it wasn't and accusing me of making stuff up which I wasn't because I wasn't referring to the start of the bear valley fight when you had npcs on you but when you had everyone back and we continued fighting for a while. I believe at that fight it was even 5 vs 5 there or something but the no melee really hurt us there. I commend the fight it was a fun fight but none of you can deny the survivability of your group in that fight versus our all tactical storm...
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Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans
I never mentioned the group thing. I was acknowledging that there were out of group on creep and freep. so it was 9v8, and as mentioned before, the freeps should destroy creep groups and you did. And I understand that you had no melee and that's our faults?
when its 5 of you 1 ba/2wargs and 2 healers vs us zero group healers who's going to win newb?
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
At the start of the fight no at the start of the fight it was you 4, plus the two out of group wargs versus our 5 with two of us being grouped (all at the start). So that makes six vs 5 which you acknowledged your 4 plus 2 out of group creeps. Then as we were fighting, the warg aeda or aeka, the BA soul and the reaver munster showed up as well as other freeps which ended up totaling 9 versus your 9 for totals fighting. Thats not to say who was alive or not alive or where the fight was at, thats just numbers involved.
I'm just saying, your painting a picture of a 9vs 4 which in fact it wasn't and accusing me of making stuff up which I wasn't because I wasn't referring to the start of the bear valley fight when you had npcs on you but when you had everyone back and we continued fighting for a while. I believe at that fight it was even 5 vs 5 there or something but the no melee really hurt us there. I commend the fight it was a fun fight but none of you can deny the survivability of your group in that fight versus our all tactical storm...
Our group is very survivable, and that's why I group in it. I can't tell you how many times I get called out when i'm solo and can't kill anything. That's why I group. Secondly, if you care to notice, I was calling your idea of our health not going down in the fight, which I called lies because three of us died. And you later clarified that you were talking about after we all came back, in which case i agreed with you. And I never painted a picture of 9v4 I mentioned the out of groups, since we were talking about my group and how it's hard to kill us. And you keep mentioning the tactical storm, which I agree with, freeps need more melee, but how is that our fault? Stop bringing up facts that isn't our fault because you're the only people who can fix them. Just like you can't help who we have in this group. And honestly this fight isn't fixing anything so why are we even having it?
Our group is very survivable, and that's why I group in it. I can't tell you how many times I get called out when i'm solo and can't kill anything. That's why I group. Secondly, if you care to notice, I was calling your idea of our health not going down in the fight, which I called lies because three of us died. And you later clarified that you were talking about after we all came back, in which case i agreed with you. And I never painted a picture of 9v4 I mentioned the out of groups, since we were talking about my group and how it's hard to kill us. And you keep mentioning the tactical storm, which I agree with, freeps need more melee, but how is that our fault? Stop bringing up facts that isn't our fault because you're the only people who can fix them. Just like you can't help who we have in this group. And honestly this fight isn't fixing anything so why are we even having it?
I see dead people
So what you're saying if your not in a survivable group you wont stay and fight? no need to answer that already know the answer
BTW my pet name is for 99 percent of wargs not name Starkums
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Our group is very survivable, and that's why I group in it. I can't tell you how many times I get called out when i'm solo and can't kill anything. That's why I group. Secondly, if you care to notice, I was calling your idea of our health not going down in the fight, which I called lies because three of us died. And you later clarified that you were talking about after we all came back, in which case i agreed with you. And I never painted a picture of 9v4 I mentioned the out of groups, since we were talking about my group and how it's hard to kill us. And you keep mentioning the tactical storm, which I agree with, freeps need more melee, but how is that our fault? Stop bringing up facts that isn't our fault because you're the only people who can fix them. Just like you can't help who we have in this group. And honestly this fight isn't fixing anything so why are we even having it?
Nowhere am I mentioning that not having melee is your fault so not sure why you are taking it that way, I'm just saying from a fighting standpoint, that hurt us in that first fight we had as I was talking about well rounded groups. Just a statement, nothing accusatory or saying its your fault. And I thought you would figure I was talking about when fighting was more on even terms and not while you were swarmed with NPCs so I apologize for not clarifying that part but considering that was the point where we were fighting and nothing was moving I figured you'd get the point of my post.
Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans
So what you're saying if your not in a survivable group you wont stay and fight? no need to answer that already know the answer
BTW my pet name is for 99 percent of wargs not name Starkums
Elmo, a lot of people run. You do the same thing, and if you don't believe me, remember when you jumped off the cliff? Yeah, cause I do. And Aww, you must be so sad that stark is transfering aren't you? You want a hug?
Nowhere am I mentioning that not having melee is your fault so not sure why you are taking it that way, I'm just saying from a fighting standpoint, that hurt us in that first fight we had as I was talking about well rounded groups. Just a statement, nothing accusatory or saying its your fault. And I thought you would figure I was talking about when fighting was more on even terms and not while you were swarmed with NPCs so I apologize for not clarifying that part but considering that was the point where we were fighting and nothing was moving I figured you'd get the point of my post.
Well I didnt. and I apologize, now please. Just leave me alone. Go back to your freeps and get some melee.
Elmo, a lot of people run. You do the same thing, and if you don't believe me, remember when you jumped off the cliff? Yeah, cause I do. And Aww, you must be so sad that stark is transfering aren't you? You want a hug?
LOL running compared to you not even close but your name does fit you......
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
LOL running compared to you not even close but your name does fit you......
Wow. A name pun. I bet it took you a long time to think of that one. Go back to your keeps elmo. What happened to the elmo who hated people who bought store stuff? Cause you seem to be doing it lately. Elmo, go away. Like seriously, what did I ever to do you?
BTW i meant 98 percent theres still a few wargs left worth something
That's great, obvisouly I'm not one of them anymore, cuz you're always getting in my vent and when we're in the same channel this happens. I hang out with Wil, get over it. Honestly elmo, I know you cant see it, but you're the one who changed.
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