On that note, you are an 'individual' and not the voice of Gilrain...
Hence why I never claimed to be, now perhaps you could explain that to the delsuional fellow who seems to think he is.
Originally Posted by Terrapur
Many posters who prefer Gilrain to other servers offer solutions
One solution actually - transfering servers, which I'm rather loathe to do given I have lots of characters (and already have characters on Snowbourn) and am also waiting to see what happens to the population on servers when GW2 & the panda thing hit. Joining a kin is not a solution, a very low pop server is still a very low pop server, in or out of a kin, I play an MMO in part for the massive multiplayer bit, that is currently pretty poor on Gilrain.
I prefer my solution of waiting to see if Turbine put Gilrain as a recommended server as they did with Withywindle.
In the following gif Gilrain is represented by the Jedi Master (fittingly imo) whilst all those that would have Gilrain destroyed and turned into a single super server capable of destroying entire servers at will are represented, rather randomly, by this dog:
Awww, can't give you rep for this as I've already given for a previous post...but I totally would as this made me *lol* Poor ickle doggie
Awww, can't give you rep for this as I've already given for a previous post...but I totally would as this made me *lol* Poor ickle doggie
I would give Rep if it had been a cat
Originally Posted by zimble
Shock horror - some of us are fortunate enough to be able to work from our study much of the time, so can fit in the odd bit of gaming (Or things that are less fun such as mowing the lawn) as a break from work.
Nice - The only time i have been able to work based from home was when working for a US based company, unfortunately 95% of UK companies still like to see 'bums on seats' in an office.
Getting a Gold Class Item "Soon™" - Currently running 999th ITA Instance
Zimble, your part of a minority here, Gilrain is fine, the majority agree, you keep saying your not the only one, but your the only one responding.......leave Gilrain as it is and move on.
Pointless thread is pointless thread.
Platitudinous,Prepubescent...or put simply, Freeps.
Zimble, your part of a minority here, Gilrain is fine, the majority agree, you keep saying your not the only one, but your the only one responding.......leave Gilrain as it is and move on.
Don't worry yourself, I am sure I can cope with the tremendous challenge of having a minority opinion on a forum thread.
Originally Posted by Tarthalian
..you keep saying your not the only one, but your the only one responding...
I say it because someone keeps trying to speak for every person on Gilrain, when plainly even from the tiny number of people on this thread they don't, the OP and I disagree with them.
Originally Posted by Tarthalian
...leave Gilrain as it is and move on.
I'll continue to express my opinion as I please, if you can't cope with that, tough.
P.S - I had shut up, until you decided to reply to me.
Don't worry yourself, I am sure I can cope with the tremendous challenge of having a minority opinion on a forum thread.
I say it because someone keeps trying to speak for every person on Gilrain, when plainly even from the tiny number of people on this thread they don't, the OP and I disagree with them.
I'll continue to express my opinion as I please, if you can't cope with that, tough.
P.S - I had shut up, until you decided to reply to me.
I think you'll find that the other Gilrainians are speaking volumes as well not just one guy. I can cope with it, infact its hilarious
Platitudinous,Prepubescent...or put simply, Freeps.
I think you'll find that the other Gilrainians are speaking volumes as well not just one guy.
Not really, most people in this thread went no further than stating what they personally feel, hence apparently have grasped it is pretty dumb to try and speak for everyone that has (or had) a character on Gilrain.
Furthermore some of them whilst expressing they did not think a server merge was a good idea, did mention some of the issues the low pop causes, which is again not quite the same view of "paradise" that the person who claims to speak for everyone expressed.
Not really, most people in this thread went no further than stating what they personally feel, hence apparently have grasped it is pretty dumb to try and speak for everyone that has (or had) a character on Gilrain.
Furthermore some of them whilst expressing they did not think a server merge was a good idea, did mention some of the issues the low pop causes, which is again not quite the same view of "paradise" that the person who claims to speak for everyone expressed.
Fine I'll bite.
My initial posts were all from my perspective. As you continued to split-quote me (a practice I dislike because you lose all context and frankly it comes across as rude) my sentiment changed from expressing my own thoughts to defending the server from what had quite quickly become a trolling attempt. However trying to now justify yourself because I used the word 'we' a couple of times is just making you look silly. When one side of a thread starts clutching at straws such as this then I think it is time to just give up. You've said your piece, I feel poorer for having heard it, but hear it I did. So no accusations of not giving credit to others opinions (which by the way is equally daft considering the fact we had a back and forth).
Just because your opinion is different from ours doesn't mean you're right, which for some reason seems to be one of your main focuses. And when I say ours I quite obviously (well for a rational individual) speak for those in agreement with me on this thread, not every single person that has ever existed aside from you and your mother. This is one of those amazing situations in life where you have a choice, you can go on being miserable on a small server you hate, or move to the utopia of a veritable leviathan of a server. I suggest the time has come to exercise that choice.
I would now post an amusing gif but alas I'm on the iPad, so please use your imagination.
Bels
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Lieutenant Belegardo the Veteran, Reaver-Foe, Stalker-Foe, Rank 10 Warden
As you continued to split-quote me (a practice I dislike because you lose all context and frankly it comes across as rude)
So you are offended by formatting preferences, have you ever considered you are oversensitive?
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
...what had quite quickly become a trolling attempt.
Talking of rudeness, your claims that I am troll, simply becasue I disagree with you, are very rude. As luck would have it someone has started a thread on this very topic, (Perhaps they have encountered you ):
I think the term "troll" is the most overused, and, quite frankly, MIS-used term in Internet games these days.
It has gotten to the point that you can't even have a different opinion than someone without being called a"troll"
However trying to now justify yourself because I used the word 'we' a couple of times is just making you look silly.
Except it wasn't just that was it, you made claims about "our community", 'us', 'a huge proportion of the sever' and so on.
Really it is pretty simple speak for yourself, not others, you have no idea how many stopped logging in, in part because of the low pop, or how many felt forced to move servers even though they liked the other aspects of Gilrain due to pop, or how many still on Gilrain would prefer it if there were more people on (and no that doesn't automatically mean thousands it may just mean a preference for a couple of hundred more). I know/knew people that fitted each of those examples, does that mean every player who has ever rolled a character on Gilrain felt the same, no, hence I do the logical, rational thing and don't attempt to make claims on behalf of everyone who as ever rolled a character on Gilrain.
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
When one side of a thread starts clutching at straws such as this then I think it is time to just give up. You've said your piece, I feel poorer for having heard it, but hear it I did. So no accusations of not giving credit to others opinions
Which would be less funny if you had not called me a troll for simply having a different opinion.
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
Just because your opinion is different from ours doesn't mean you're right...
I've never said it did...
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
And when I say ours I quite obviously (well for a rational individual) speak for those in agreement with me on this thread, not every single person that has ever existed aside from you and your mother.
For someone who whines about being offended by the formatting of a forum post, you don't mind making silly jibes yourself, we have a word for that where I come from.
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
This is one of those amazing situations in life where you have a choice, you can go on being miserable on a small server you hate, or move to the utopia of a veritable leviathan of a server. I suggest the time has come to exercise that choice.
And I may move on, as I explained I am waiting to see what happens to the population (of all the EU servers) when GW2 and MoP hit, there is little point of me moving if I go to another server that becomes nearly as deserted as Gilrain.
Or I may not, they may stick Gilrain as a recommended server like they did with Withywindle, either way I suggest you learn to stop taking criticism of a game/server so personally, because this is not the first thread on this issue, nor will it be the last and it is merely just a silly video game, nothing important.
A troll is someone who makes replies on a thread simply to garner a reaction from other people. We've discussed the topic, what you're doing now is beyond the topic, analysing and picking apart every persons post that doesn't agree with yours.
And you say it is just a game, well in that case leave the server. Or better yet leave this thread.
PS. If you think that years of playing in the same server with the same people, and in many cases having real life friendships and meetups as a result, even marriage and children is 'silly' then you have your answer as to why I and others dislike the attitude that everything must be how an MMO 'should' be.
This small intimate server suits mine and many others style of gameplay. If it doesn't suit yours fine, go play on another or another game altogether, there is no need to out down other people's style of enjoyment just because it doesn't suit your own. If you really, truly cared about the server you would think of solutions to problems as you perceive them, and try and create a positive atmosphere on the health of our community on these boards to present a good image to potential new players.
The time for that has gone and all you've achieved so far on here is to give a bad image to new players reading your posts and to cause several of the current community to take offence.
In the expectation of being multipart quoted (I never said I was upset by it (that is the language of trolls btw putting emotions into others posts) simply that I perceive it as rude) I will say that there is no more to say (and my battery is running out ).
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Lieutenant Belegardo the Veteran, Reaver-Foe, Stalker-Foe, Rank 10 Warden
A troll is someone who makes replies on a thread simply to garner a reaction from other people. We've discussed the topic, what you're doing now is beyond the topic, analysing and picking apart every persons post that doesn't agree with yours.
I realize you have a God complex, but it isn't for you to decide when a topic is discussed, I've ignored many posts that offer differing views to mine, but I'll reply to those who directly reply/quote me, if I so wish, especially if they are rude like yours. (perhaps you are trolling me)
As for "picking apart" rubbish, if you don't like my quoting, tough, that is simply how I reply much of the time, if you can't cope with people replying on a public forum, don't post on one.
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
Or better yet leave this thread.
Have you ever considered following your own advice?
PS. If you think that years of playing in the same server with the same people, and in many cases having real life friendships and meetups as a result, even marriage and children is 'silly' then you have your answer as to why I and others dislike the attitude that everything must be how an MMO 'should' be..
Apparently an MMO should be the way you like it.
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
This small intimate server suits mine and many others style of gameplay. If it doesn't suit yours fine, go play on another or another game altogether, there is no need to out down other people's style of enjoyment just because it doesn't suit your own. If you really, truly cared about the server you would think of solutions to problems as you perceive them, and try and create a positive atmosphere on the health of our community on these boards to present a good image to potential new players.
I'd rather not do a disservice to new players, better to present a realistic image than a false one, the server pop is very low, which is especially &&&&&& for new / low level players or those who don't play peak time much. If you think you've presented a good image to new players, think again.
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
...current community to take offence.
Seriously if you take offence at the mention that Gilrain has the lowest server pop and that does have some in game consequences, then you need to seek help.
Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati
In the expectation of being multipart quoted..
Correct, and again I realize just as you think Gilrain is your own personal server only, that this is your forum only, but you will be waiting a very long time for me to change my formatting, merely because it offends you for some bizzare reason.
The problem you have is you refuse to consider the good things about a low pop server with a mature community. For instance it isn't like swtor or rift. We have a core, stable base of players with real, emotional attachment to not just the game but the server too. Gilrain isn't about to collapse into nothingness, after all it has been way lower pop than now and has come back stronger.
Now it does have problems, for instance new players will struggle in early zones, and will have to make the effort if they want to end up raiding regularly etc. it will be tough to find groups while levelling and sometimes the moors can be pretty quiet. The AH can be quiet sometimes but stuff sells well and if you want something a quick shout in global will be rewarded with multiple tells.
However personally I find way more positives to suit me. For instance I far prefer questing with a low population. I prefer it too for pvp because I enjoy smaller scale stuff and can't abhor raids and zerging. I like the knowledge many people have of one another and the fact bad behaviour genuinely leads to a bad rep. I certainly prefer having less lag and no prospect of login queues. I like the fact new players that join kins feel wanted and appreciated. The time people take to help new guys is nothing short of astounding compared to other games, and while not unique to our server is still a positive of a close and respectful community.
In fact the posts in this thread are testament to the fact that people do like gilrain, and want to speak up when it seems threatened.
Now I realise I've taken a bit of a step back and got back on topic. But I don't wanna end this thread with a petty comeback. Basically gilrain is awesome for those that enjoy it. For those that don't there are other servers and other games. You said that I wanted the server to suit me, well no, I picked this server BECAUSE it suited me. I don't want to mould it to myself, simply allow myself to enjoy what it has to offer, good and bad.
It's a bit like when you said an MMO should be the way you like it. Well frankly yes! Why play an MMO you dislike? When I found I didn't enjoy swtor I didn't post lots of stuff about the game in a bad light, I just filled out my questionnaire, packed up and came back here. To an mmo I know i enjoy, not because I forced it to, but because it just fits my idea of what an mmo should be.
Anyway wanted to end on topic and more positive. I hope you can see why I and others feel strongly about gilrain, and the fact we all have a choice of different types of server to play lotro on is a good thing.
PS. Apologies if anything appeared snarky before, it was meant in the spirit of discussion. Also I was in a bit of a bad mood this evening after some rl &&&&, had a beer now
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Lieutenant Belegardo the Veteran, Reaver-Foe, Stalker-Foe, Rank 10 Warden
Not wishing to get into the troll aspects of the post but...
Couple of times I log in at 6pm'ish UK time and only person or one other in kin chat, and see no one in Bree or Rivendell or Tinnundir (level of char I am currently leveling) so it does feel quiet and lonely.
Not wishing to get into the troll aspects of the post but...
Couple of times I log in at 6pm'ish UK time and only person or one other in kin chat, and see no one in Bree or Rivendell or Tinnundir (level of char I am currently leveling) so it does feel quiet and lonely.
Maybe I need a new kin.
I have sympathy, especially at those levels, surely the worst for activity on any server. I suppose finding a larger kin might be a good idea, my own kin is very quiet at all times except sort of between 7 and 11 in the evenings, you may find that a lot are like this right now.
There are more active kins around however, so just ask in the global channels posted above and I'm sure you'll find a more active home sooner or later. Just have to remember that Gilrain is always at it's quietest before a major xpac and that it has been much worse than this before! Things will pick up after RoR as they always do.
Good luck!
Lieutenant Belegardo the Veteran, Reaver-Foe, Stalker-Foe, Rank 10 Warden
I don't agree 100% with anybody here. And again, like almost everybody else here, I will too say something I've already said at least 3 times already. What choice do I have, everybody here seem to repeat same things over and over again, but every time a bit different - just like my parrot does. Now, back to the discussion...
Therefore, yes, the server is a bit inactive for lower lvls. I am almost lvl 75 with my main (because I like to take it easy with lvling and enjoy all aspects of the game), I have a nice kin, and I don't find myself lonely at all. I know the right people to enjoy the game with and I'm happy about that. I often go to EM in the evening and most likely find a freep raid every time i come, so, keeping all of this in mind, I have fun almost all the time while playing like the most of the people here.
I sometimes avoid glff as well, so I don't blame you for that. But I was full of joy the other night when I was looking for a fs on glff for some instances (there was 170+ people online). My IMs tab got almost instantly full of replies. And now while I lvlup my alts i still don't get lonely because I know the right ppl and they know me, and I have a nice kin. Only new ppl on the server can get lonely. But when they find a kin that suits them, their pain will be greatly eased (as many people already said, countelss times).
Now I find it pointless further discussing this topic because we're going nowhere fast, and we have already came to a conclusion (and it seems I am the first one to bring it out like this): Gilrain is just fine the way it is and merging with some other server is a horrid idea. Nothing needs to be changed. Carry on! And may the force be with you!
Now I find it pointless further discussing this topic because we're going nowhere fast, and we have already came to a conclusion (and it seems I am the first one to bring it out like this): Gilrain is just fine the way it is and merging with some other server is a horrid idea. Nothing needs to be changed. Carry on! And may the force be with you!
I have some mid. lvl and lower char,'s on the server. it does have it's moment's. but up high like all server's there's a large population.
I wouldn't agree with server merge's. But what are some possible option's. Large group of community folk's, through some middle ground ideas forward i'm sure we'd find some fix's or help for lower lvl's.
Mine would be, and this maybe an idea for all server's.. have a start area kin. made up of people starting alt's. and a mix of player's from all kin's. This will help pretty much everyone i'd think, new player's learn the proper ways to fellowship and lvl, craft and understand the setting's. ect.ect. ect. Maybe have a lvl cap at some point mid 30's i'd think just after GA's finished up. This would give the kin's a better quality player pool to recruit from. Also kin's get better idea which player's fit in with there memeber's.
idk, just a thought.
Merge's from my experince's with other games is always questionable. Often ur better to just start over on another server. You may only get ur char.'s merged and lose everything else making it toatlly not worth it.
I personally know couple of people from various kins that are helping low level players almost every day. Shiny example being Zeratic from Khazad Dum kin with her various level chars. She is almost every day in low level areas offering help. So if you don't want to join any kin but struggling with some quests, there are still couple of people to help you out, myself included. Now I do know it's no fun running around with someone much higher level than your own but some of us do have low level chars. However I'm curious why not join a kin?
As for the Gilrain vs. other servers, I'll just say that I came here from Snowbourn. And I prefer quality over quantity.
From a PVE perspective Gilrain is fine, just join a kin. If you don't want to join a kin, don't play an MMO.
From a PVP perspective Gilrain could use a merge. Specially since people from Beta told me new map will be exceptionally improving for big server's pvp, which we aren't. Also, tendency of Gilrain PVP is not to kill, but to survive, making hugging and qq'ing on the forums number 1 priority, but that is an off topic discussion, so I'll leave it there.
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