Thread: the server is inactive

Hi all. I wanted to share with you a problem.
All who don't have a kinship in gilrain are very
lonely- because WE ARE TOO FEW PPL TO KEEP THE SERVER UP.

there is a plan- merge the server with another one. WHY NOT?

BECAUSE YOU NEED TO VOTE!

what will happen if we will have 100 votes? 200 votes? we need more ppl! ever saw the server in the server list? one of the lasts! why? because of the migration. maybe show our server first in the list? for other ppl who join the game will see it?

Personally I think it's fine the way it is. You say it's lonely for people who are kinless? Well join a kin simple really... Or failing that join some active chat channels for a kin feel.

I like a quiet server. Better response times. My internet is developing a nasty habit of going south around midday. As for you, don't forget you have the option of starting your own kin. It needs eight characters to keep it 'afloat' but they can be alts, so two players can do it if they put their minds to it. Then you can attempt to 'hoover up' all those others who you believe are out there in your situation, thereby turning it into a real kin. *IF* that demand, does, in fact, exist. Myself, not sure one way or the other.

I'm afraid you are wrong.

You mustn't be familiar with Gilrain before F2P came about. It was practically dead, you were lucky to be able to do ANY fellowship quests, possibly the least populated EU server. I consider it to be well-populated now.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

I'm afraid you are wrong.

You mustn't be familiar with Gilrain before F2P came about. It was practically dead, you were lucky to be able to do ANY fellowship quests, possibly the least populated EU server. I consider it to be well-populated now.

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I've always found Gilrain to be just about right not to busy but certainly not inactive or as desolate as you suggest. I certainly wouldn't want to be queuing to get on a server like some.
Have to add that the starter areas are filling up nicely again, probably with new Steam players, future's looking ok

From my own experience, I would say that the majority of Girain's cohort is made up of people who have been here for years and, as such, will be most likely found in higher level areas. Wait til you get to one of the level 70+ hubs. I logged into Galtrev yesterday and had initial lag and it's not uncommon to see a dynamic layers notification. Back when the level cap was 60, this would have been true of the 21st Hall. Because I remember a time of having several attempts at clicking on the legendary item vendor npcs due to how many folk were huddled around it, it still amazes me to port there on my hunter and see how dead the 21st Hall is.

I think there are two reasons for this and they are somewhat linked. Firstly, as I mentioned before, my perception is that there are more people on Gilrain who would say they've been playing at least a year. By now they are level 75 on their main. For people like myself who have been playing nearly four years, the motivation for levelling an alt character is often less about wanting to savour the experience (the quest dialogues have been read before, the areas have been explored, instances have been tried and conquered) than wanting another alt at 75 with which to raid and PvP. As such, if I'm levelling an alt, I plough through Shadows of Angmar and Moria at speed; go to Lorien at 57; do as much of Mirkwood as I can stomach, skip a lot of Enedwaith in favour of Dunland and go to The Great River at level 70.
Second, there may be some truth in your supposition that fewer people are coming to Gilrain. When levelling alts, it's always nice to see people running around and to think they're experiencing the game with fresh eyes but often if you chat to people in OOC you end up finding that some of them are also people you've known for years, on alts. Can't really complain about that - I'd say the people we've got are mostly nice. Though of course there are always some dodgy people (take Squelcher, for example, he has a fixation on certain tuberous nightshades) but as far as merging servers goes I prefer the devil I know.

I think if you joined a kin you would feel less isolated. Go to the kinship area of the forum and see if one sounds like your sort of thing. Alternatively, you could join a chat channel in game to find groups and have the occasional discussion. To do this, type /joinchannel globallff

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Edit: when typing on iPad, "gilrain" is auto corrected to "Gillian" lol

Originally Posted by elrandirare

All who don't have a kinship in gilrain are very lonely

The very simple solution, join a kin, Gilrain will seem a lot more active. Some enjoy a small server, that's why server transfers were introduced. For me, it's fine atm, I have a very nice kin with great people in it, I'm in a private channel with some friends including Retarius, Shakuru, etc. It's small, but it's alright because on freepside for me, I need nothing big, as long as I have people where I need them.

I like Gilrain the way it is, not too crowded..

But Gilrain is top-level heavy at the moment, so for lower levels it may seem like its dead server, but trust me, when you get to the higher levels its not.

If Turbine thinks a server merger were needed, they would have done it a looong time ago.

If you have trouble finding people to do an instance, why not join a kin, there are many kins around that fits the casual player, but which also do instances and raids.

The original poster is inactive.

There is a plan. Join a kin.

I've been on Gilrain for 5 years now, and I still love it. I agree with Squelch (shoot me please :P), Gilrain used to be fairly slow and almost dead, but after F2P launched, we became quite a busy server indeed...and I do believe we are one of the biggest ex-European servers indeed.

However, most peeps on Gilrain have been here for ages and as such we are mostly to be found in Galtrev and Stangard these days...gone are the times of not being able to enter West Bree because everyone was grouping there for ports to the Rift / Helegrod. I for one actually enjoy the fact that I can tinker about on my own in the low level areas, but yes, it can seem as if the server is a bit dead if those areas are all you know.

But all in all, I love Gilrain the way it is and I would hate it if we were merged with one of the 'big' servers. So if you're feeling lonely, do what peeps are suggesting and join a kin...there's plenty out there

Wynnie.

I love Gilrain the way it is. It can be lonely while leveling in Eriador, Moria or Mirkwood. But we have some advantages because of that. We don't have to stand in line to kill that one quest mob, we don't have to fight over ore nodes or wood piles. Sometimes it can be tricky for mid level characters to tackle the instances when most players are running in endgame content. But a friendly tell to one of them and the instances go like a breeze.

Originally Posted by Wynniekins

I agree with Squelch (shoot me please :P)

Normally I wouldn't be a fan of shooting people for agreeing with me but, if you insist...

Yeah the server is alive and well in the higher levels, i do admit when i come to bree it normaly only houses a handful of players. Back before ftp you could hear a pin drop i like how gilrain is now and i do not want a merger.

Originally Posted by Minstrella

POST OF SAB

Really nice post Sab, +rep


And, Gilrain is beautiful

Well now that I've seen all of your replies, I think you may be right. Gilrain is fine the way it is, but yes, for ppl who are new to the game/server, and who are lower lvls, the server may look a bit dead. Or, it might be eaven strange to see other lvls 1,2 and 3 just like you, running around in their RoI and RoR cosmetics (usually alts of other experienced players). I, for example, play on this server 1,5 years now, and back when I started, the server didn't seem dead at all. Actually, I thought it was a RE server much like Landroval 'cause you could find all lvls riding through Bree, Shire and Ered Luin they would eaven lend a hand if you need some help. And now, more than half of them are ppl I already know. My point here is that it's always nice to meet some new ppl and help each other out (eaven if you aren't friends or from the same kin), isn't it?

But the reason I've encouraged elrandirare's idea is rather simple - make a better gameplay experience for new players and newcommers, so they will like the server and decide to stay. And I know what are you talking about when you say you get lag when you log in Galtrev or Stangard, already happened to me as well. I'm a high enough lvl and an experienced enough player so I don't realy need changes on Gilrain. But you have to think about newcommers too. Maybe merging isn't such a good idea. But what do you sugest then? Should we find another solution or leave this behind?

Ain't no matter to me as I've already said; but again, think about new players and their overall experience, 'cause this is not just about finding a suitable kin for yourself.

P.S: Don't shoot yourselves and others, new ppl will think we're a cowboy server and lose interest

I would not agree that the server is inactive. To me it seems a bit lacking more lower lvl characters, but I must admit Bree used to more busy some time ago.

Back before F2P came out, I spent a LONG time kinless and even after that I just bounced between different unpleasant or failed kins before I started having some success. Back then you were lucky to find a single levelling character in the same region as you. Levelling was an extremely slow process. It is much better now than it was.

My suggestion is simply to find a good kin. As Sab said, the kinship list has good suggestions and you can always ask in-game.

Yes Gilrain can be quiet sometimes. But to my mind, that means it's easier to get to know people and their kins. It's easier to form friendships and know who to turn to for help with stuff, or just because you don't feel like playing alone at that time.

As others have rightly pointed out (+rep to all who did) it's easier to feel active on a server like ours if you are part of a kin, where you can have company with the same bunch of folks as you level your toons.

Wouldn't want to be on a US server that gets busy and where lag gets even madder at peak times. I rather like our mostly European server community as it is thanks

Red

Originally Posted by elrandirare

Hi all. I wanted to share with you a problem.
All who don't have a kinship in gilrain are very
lonely- because WE ARE TOO FEW PPL TO KEEP THE SERVER UP.

Oh God NO!

I just moved to this server to get away from a server where I have to queue for the chance to kill mobs, constantly scrape for resources because to many players are waiting for the nodes to respawn. I have abandoned my house and all my possessions, deleted my characters and moved here for the chance to enjoy playing the game.

Don't ruin this server as well!

PLEASE!!!

I've been playing for four years in Gilrain and never got bored of game. Maybe you feel alone while leveling or roaming around kinless. But there are plenty of good kinships in server, join one of them, get your characters to 75 fast and have fun with some end game content.
Gilrain is the best I think and hope it always will be

Gilrain is pretty much dead, when I last played about 15 months ago it was already considered a 'quiet' server, the globallff had over 230 in it around midday on a Sunday, with around 450-550 people playing (plus however many anons), today we have:

- 102 in globallff
- 278 players in total (plus however many anons & however many are on their creeps)

Some numbers from "hubs":

archet - 6
bree - 16
21st hall - 2
Galtrev - 13
Rivendell - 8
Estledin - 5
Stangard - 8

So basically we have around the same number in Bree on a Sunday afternoon as there used to be at 3am...

I realise I will get excuses about the Olympics, but these numbers are barely any different from when I looked a few weeks ago, nor do they compare to the numbers that used to still be on during world cups, etc.

It is not meant to come as a shock to actually spot another player in an MMO...

And as a bit of a comparision, here are the numbers from another server (No not a huge US one liek Brandywine, merely what I remember as a more populated EU one - Snowbourne)

Globallff - 335
Total players - 635 (plus however many anons & however many are on their creeps)

archet - 16
bree - 47
21st hall - 11
Galtrev - 44
Rivendell - 7
Estledin - 7
Stangard - 12

That's kinda my point, zimble... Gilrain i remember 1,5 yrs ago was pretty similar to Snowbourne you described... Although i had no kin back then, i never felt "lonely" because i was bale to see at least 1 person every 500 meters (now you are lucky to see 1 person every few miles except in GR and Dunland). So stop teaching me how to get a kin. And eaven then, when Gilrain had more active players i never had to fight over ores with other players and wait for them to respawn.

Dunland and GR as populated regions may seem allright to you. But eaven now when I'm lvl 73 and quest a lot there (and can't complain because there are enough players there), one moment I'm at our kin house in falathorn Homesteads, the next in Bree, then Thorin's Hall and again in GR. I came across no players.

But hay, I'm not lonely! I have a good kin. Alas, some kinless new player might get a bit lonely wandering here and there, seeing no players eaven close to his lvl. What if he's doing some fs/small fs quest and there's nobody to help? Shout on glogallff? I doubt a lvl 50 would come all the way from Moria and help a new player lvl 10 with some quest/instance in Bree. I also doubt lvl 75 kinnie would interrupt any business (raid prepairing, crafting, sitting on auctions etc.) just to help a 50 lvls lower lvl player. Don't you?

Dunno about anyone else but I love the fact that I can run around on my toons and know virtually everyone I run into or see.

Even if I don't know them overly well, I find it amazing how intimate Gilrain is compared to any other server in any other game I've played. People and kins have reputations, good and bad, but that's all part of the charm. We have some great personalities and some great old timers/history.
It's one of the main reasons I always end up back at lotro, and I know just how rare it is so I hope everyone else appreciates it as much as me!

Anyway to the OP, as others have said join or start a kin
There are many on Gilrain, from casual old timers, to hardcore raiders, to casual raiding, to pvp, to kins for the elderly only and kins focused entirely on solo and crafting.

Just check the kin info area on this forum, or ask in the global channel.

If you haven't joined it yet, just copy and paste this: /joinchannel Globallff into your chatbox and then /1 or /2 etc depending which channel it went to. You'll find loads of people in this channel.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

...You'll find loads of people in this channel.

No they won't, which is why we have this thread, I just logged in there were 78 people in globallff, granted midday on a Tuesday is hardly going to be crowded, but at the same time on Snowbourne there are 217 in the channel.

As for the rest of your rose tinted post, kins have repuations on every server, Gilrain is nothing special in that regard, it is not like other servers have 100k people on them and everyoen is a stranger, they just have a healthier, more active pop.

The only things different about Gilrain from busier servers like Snowbourne are:

- There is less chat on globallff (much, much less, even relative to the population, can often go half an hour with no chat or maybe 1 oe 2 lines).
- Far fewer instances are run, very little pre-75.
- People struggle and often fail to get groups together.
- Most of the low level areas are barren wasteland in terms of players (the high level areas are hardly packed either, even the hubs, the number of people at say Galtrev doesn't compare to how many you used to have in the 21st hall)
- Most kins barely have anyone on most of them time, I checked the other evening 2 kins had more than 10 people on (granted you have the anons), Exlies of Arnor, can't remember the other. When I last played there were kins that regularly had 20 plus people even in the day time, and guess what, even back then Gilrain was considered a quiet server.

I pity any new players that start up on Gilrain, they will be greeted with a general impression of a lifeless server, their playing experience will be third rate, when I started it was great there were numerous groups for low level stuff (the only one that was a struggle was Fornost), these days nothing.

It is meant to be an MMO not a multiplayer co-op...

Originally Posted by zimble

No they won't, which is why we have this thread, I just logged in there were 78 people in globallff, granted midday on a Tuesday is hardly going to be crowded, but at the same time on Snowbourne there are 217 in the channel.

As for the rest of your rose tinted post, kins have repuations on every server, Gilrain is nothing special in that regard, it is not like other servers have 100k people on them and everyoen is a stranger, they just have a healthier, more active pop.

The only things different about Gilrain from busier servers like Snowbourne are:

- There is less chat on globallff (much, much less, even relative to the population, can often go half an hour with no chat or maybe 1 oe 2 lines).
- Far fewer instances are run, very little pre-75.
- People struggle and often fail to get groups together.
- Most of the low level areas are barren wasteland in terms of players (the high level areas are hardly packed either, even the hubs, the number of people at say Galtrev doesn't compare to how many you used to have in the 21st hall)
- Most kins barely have anyone on most of them time, I checked the other evening 2 kins had more than 10 people on (granted you have the anons), Exlies of Arnor, can't remember the other. When I last played there were kins that regularly had 20 plus people even in the day time, and guess what, even back then Gilrain was considered a quiet server.

I pity any new players that start up on Gilrain, they will be greeted with a general impression of a lifeless server, their playing experience will be third rate, when I started it was great there were numerous groups for low level stuff (the only one that was a struggle was Fornost), these days nothing.

It is meant to be an MMO not a multiplayer co-op...

Rose tinted? lol

Do you have any idea what this server was like before f2p? At what stage it is in now when considered over it s entire 5 year history?

Sorry but if you don't like our community here on Gilrain why stay? Just transfer to your beloved Snowbourne and leave us to our dead and pointless server. As for kin reps on every server, well of course there are, but these take years to build up, on an individual player basis and collective kin basis. You don't just waltz in as a transfer and expect to be loved and respected.


PS. You do realise that all servers are at their very lowest capacity just before new xpacs? Not only that but have you really never seen a truly dead server before in another game? Gilrain is nowhere near that stage at all.
Also 80 odd people mid week in gloabllff isn't actually that bad, consider loads of people are anonymous and many more still don't join the channel.

The overall points for me from this thread are: if you are not in a kin and dislike the server just move, what's holding you here over some other server? Secondly Gilrain is a very mature community (as in been around for a long time rather than all of us being ancient ) and so inevitably if you don't integrate yourself into the kin and alliance system you won't get the most out of the server. Pretty standard attitude nowadays that everything in life should fit exactly what you want, I'm afraid in this case it won't.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

Rose tinted? lol

Do you have any idea what this server was like before f2p? At what stage it is in now when considered over it s entire 5 year history?

Sorry but if you don't like our community here on Gilrain why stay? Just transfer to your beloved Snowbourne and leave us to our dead and pointless server. As for kin reps on every server, well of course there are, but these take years to build up, on an individual player basis and collective kin basis. You don't just waltz in as a transfer and expect to be loved and respected.


PS. You do realise that all servers are at their very lowest capacity just before new xpacs? Not only that but have you really never seen a truly dead server before in another game? Gilrain is nowhere near that stage at all.
Also 80 odd people mid week in gloabllff isn't actually that bad, consider loads of people are anonymous and many more still don't join the channel.

The overall points for me from this thread are: if you are not in a kin and dislike the server just move, what's holding you here over some other server? Secondly Gilrain is a very mature community (as in been around for a long time rather than all of us being ancient ) and so inevitably if you don't integrate yourself into the kin and alliance system you won't get the most out of the server. Pretty standard attitude nowadays that everything in life should fit exactly what you want, I'm afraid in this case it won't.

Not really commented here before, but have to agree with Bele to some extent. Myself and most of the people I know avoid Global LFF like the plague; so its not a measure of who's online.

What is true is the population is top heavy with old players. Thats been true for ages except the brief period post F2p.

As far as I know most people here like the server being smaller rather than overpopulated. Smaller servers have advantages; less lag, less people queuing for stuff, less resource demand and you tend to know more people than a sea of strangers.

Yes it is harder at lower levels, but its pretty easy to level now since they sped it up and made the early levels pass in the blink of an eye (sad in many ways). Soloable content is everywhere through to the higher levels and they did this for that reason.

Would it be nice to have clusters of new players joining Gilrain, for sure, but merging to a super server is a depressing thought. If the new folks are looking for a nameless server full of strangers then meh; it would be horrible to live on an overpopulated server. There are others, try them maybe?

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

Rose tinted? lol

Yes, rose tinted, you ignore the disadvantages of a server with a very low pop, you make claims about things like kins having repuations as if that it something unique to Gilrain, or that a server that currently has the popualtion around what Gilrain had a 15 months ago, is somehow "full of strangers", it is just nonsense.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

Sorry but if you don't like our community here on Gilrain why stay?

The community on Gilrain is fine, it is no different to the community on any other server, other than the fact there is simply much less of it which brings certain disadvantages.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

Not only that but have you really never seen a truly dead server before in another game?

I've played games (Rift for insatance) where they have closed servers with a higher population than Gilrain. Because beleive it or not the 'massive multiplayer' part actually requires a certain number of people to be online to function.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

Also 80 odd people mid week in gloabllff isn't actually that bad, consider loads of people are anonymous and many more still don't join the channel.

Actually it is pretty bad (though granted it is still better then the 38 that were in it when I logged in a couple of weeks ago at a similar time), you have obvioulsy gotten so used to the very low pop that you don't even notice, hence why I gave a comparision to Snowbourne, which in turn I am sure still has significantly less of a population than the big US servers.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

if you are not in a kin...

It has nothng to do with being in a kin, if I rejoin one of my old kins (or an entirely new one) having 3 or 4 kin members online won't alter that the server feels dead, being in a kin doesn't magically populate areas, doesn't alter there is very little globalchat, doesn't alter that people (even kins) have mcuh more trouble putting groups/raids together than on more popualted servers, etc.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

...what's holding you here over some other server?

I do play on a second server, I'm not going to move every character over, if you can't cope with differing views, tough.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

...kin and alliance system you won't get the most out of the server. Pretty standard attitude nowadays that everything in life should fit exactly what you want, I'm afraid in this case it won't.

Again being in a kin is irrelevant, the server is still dead, the only attitude I see it yours, it is clear some of us (ths may come as a shock, but I didn't start this thread) feel the popualtion of Gilrain is too low, seemingly you can't cope with differing opinions.

Originally Posted by Oldwiley

Global LFF like the plague; so its not a measure of who's online.

People avoid globallff on all servers, just like some people go anon on all servers, in both cases there are far less people on both on the who is online tool and globallff on Gilrain than there used to be, which is matched by the general lack of people you see around.

Originally Posted by Oldwiley

Smaller servers have advantages; less lag, less people queuing for stuff, less resource demand...

I agree on lag, but then moving the servers to the US had far more impact. As for resources, maybe that is an issue on the largest US servers, but not on most, conversely there is far more avaible on the AH on busier servers.

Originally Posted by Oldwiley

Yes it is harder at lower levels, but its pretty easy to level now since they sped it up and made the early levels pass in the blink of an eye (sad in many ways).

The issue I'd say is that it ruins the gameplay, when I first started GB, GA (everything except Fornost) was pretty abundant, it was great fun doing those with on level groups, nowadays the best hope for a new player is to join a kin and get pulled through by a higher level (it seems unlikely given how small most kins are on Gilrain that there will be enough alts of the appropriate level to run).

Originally Posted by Oldwiley

but merging to a super server is a depressing thought...

Except we're not really talking super server here, Gilrain is not simpy on the low side, it is very lowly populated, only Withywindle has less logins.

Long Live Gilrain Yehaaa!


Seriously Zimble don't worry about us Gilrain types. I agree we are nothing special but we are happy ....Move along now and find a server you are gloriously happy with and less negative about.

Originally Posted by Terrapur

but we are happy ...

Given I am not the only one this in thread who thinks the pop is too low, clearly not everyone is happy.

This thread is very funy in many ways...

1 Comparing MOST populated former EU-eng server Snowburn to LEAST populated server Gilrain.... lol
2 People on snowburn use global as chatroom talking about bs for hours. Gilrain GlobalLFF is stricte for finding groups.

I played on snowburn and all i have to say is more population much more idiots.Gilrain community is much better.
Finding low lvl stuf maybe hard here but what you expect after 5 years ? To ppl do same instances they done 1000 times? For me it had to be naked Megan Fox to beg me to go to Grand Stair with her and i would still think about it.I can help kinnies do some stuff but dont expect anyone in global to help player they dont know to help do content they done 1000 times.Gilrain is mostly players who are here long time and even if they lvl 9th alt they skipp most group things as lvling now is piece of cake.

Zimble you're beginning to smell like troll now tbh.

It has nothing to do with differing opinions, gilrain has always been a low population server, and a huge proportion of the pop are happy here and chose to stay because of this fact. I like not queuing for quest mobs, not only ever finding Zerg trains in the moors, not having to disable all chats because of the incessant spam.

If you prefer higher population servers then by all means switch to one. But why the need to insult our community and call us too small? We have been absolutely fine for the entire life of the server as low pop, sure we ve had peaks and troughs and this is a trough, but it was much worse before f2p, and it will pick up again as new content gets released.

You say I won't accept differing opinions, but Im afraid it's you who won't accept differing play styles. You have the option to join a high pop server, and yet you think all of us should be forced to merge with one en masse.


This isn't an argument you'll win against gilrain community


PS. If you cared one iota about the gilrain community you wouldn't promote this thread and you certainly wouldn't want gilrain to be erased from existence. Makes no sense.

Wel from a pvp perspective i do agree it is dead in EM at certain points and really dire at others also a reason that the verry little time i have to play atm i spend on elendilmir almost always some decent action there. For the rest i like gilrain in a good kin lots of nice ppl and well before an expantion most ppl don't come on as much bored and well olimpics and hollidays keep a lot of ppl away. I'm sure it will pick up again when RoR comes.

Had to reply to this pointless thread - work quiet and nothing exciting happening in the olympics (unless you like dessage).

Gilrain is dead ... long live Gilrain

If you want a real dead server log into EU-Farstar on Star Wars Galaxies

In every mature MMO the low level areas are usually quiet - that is what mature means ... LOL by February the low level areas on the most populated EU Server in SWToR were deadly quiet.

I guess the server would be quiet lunchtime tuesday for various reasons - shock horror - some of us are old enough to work and have to work, summer holiday period and only a few weeks to an expansion.

I cannot possibly see what advantage merging servers would give apart from making Galtrev / Stangard and the Instances more laggy. Its not like there is a baby server full of kinless lvl 10 - 30's looking for a kin going 'adopt me', it would be another server similar to ours .. just giving more players in more kins doing the same as we do Raiding and PvMP'ing in Kins / Alliances. Basically no different than now just with more lag and potentially lots of BS in globallff

Every active kin on every server would like new blood but server merges are not the answer - all you are doing is moving kins to another server, if the kin is active then they will stay together so nothing is gained (I saw this 1st hand in SWG when they reduced the number of servers, guilds moved as a block and set up home on a new server all that happened was lag increased).


If you really really want more chat/BS in a global channel go play ToR their global is full of kids smoking funny stuff drinking red bull spouting cr*p 24/7

I have never had an issue with getting groups / doing group content, yes us 75's often help lower level kin members if asked - I guess that must just be the community I am in.

As Tron said I doubt anyone on ANY server would respond to a shout in global to help player they dont know to help do content they done 1000 times.

Track Cycling about to start before I am off to the gym .. rant over

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

But why the need to insult our community and call us too small?

The fact you think it is insult because I dare to point out the population is very low and some of the issues that causes, speaks volumes.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

We have been absolutely fine for the entire life of the server as low pop...

Have you ever considered just speaking for yourself, because apparently not everyone agrees with you, like the OP.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

You say I won't accept differing opinions...

Well you seem to get very defensive about it.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

PS. If you cared one iota about the gilrain community you wouldn't promote this thread and you certainly wouldn't want gilrain to be erased from existence. Makes no sense.

If you cared one iota you would want more people on the server, such a low pop is not healthy. Furthermore making out that it is some yes or no choice between very low pop and the problems that creates or full out packed superserver which can barely move due to lag is pretty lame, there is a balance in between, a balance that Gilrain used to have (it was still considered low pop back then).

P.S - I don't necessarily think servers need to be merged, but is is my understanding that Gilrain (Or any EU server, until very recently) has not been placed on recommended list for new players since the switch to US servers, so perhaps that could be option.

P.P.S - See the graph http://lux-hdro.de/images/live/weekly-logins-eu.png Withywindle was placed as a recommended server recently.

Kudos to Bels and Oldwiley, I pretty much totally agree with you guys.

Like I said before, I've been here for 5 years, and we were always the lowest pop server. Nothing more, nothing less. This is why some of us have chosen this server to play on in the first place. But a lot of us are long-timers, so obviously we're all 75 and are currently waiting for RoR to come out...hanging out in Bree etc. isn't exactly on the agenda anymore (even though my mini has been in Bree and the Shire a lot of late due to the Festival).

I love the almost solo game feel in the low level areas as I can just go do my deeds without peeps fighting for mobs and such. And if I want to go do an instance, there will always be kinnies around that I can bully...I mean ask nicely to do something with me. I think that's really the core of Gilrain's 'society'...our long-standing kins (yes, they exist everywhere, doesn't take anything away from OUR Gilrainian kins, does it). I would always first ask in kin before even thinking about using LFF (NOT GLFF) and I'm sure a lot of people are the same.

I for one love the Gilrain I first joined, and the Gilrain it has evolved to be. And I love recognising about... 40% of the player names I see in Galtrev, Stangard and the Moors

And if all of the above means we're dead, please don't rez us

Wynnie.

Originally Posted by Aidlywo

I guess the server would be quiet lunchtime tuesday for various reasons - shock horror - some of us are old enough to work and have to work, summer holiday period and only a few weeks to an expansion

Shock horror - some of us are fortunate enough to be able to work from our study much of the time, so can fit in the odd bit of gaming (Or things that are less fun such as mowing the lawn) as a break from work.

And whilst no one expects Tuesday lunchtime to be particulalry busy, it is also the school holidays and hasn't stopped other servers from having significantly more people on, nor does it alter that even peak evening time is pretty quiet on Gilrain.

In the following gif Gilrain is represented by the Jedi Master (fittingly imo) whilst all those that would have Gilrain destroyed and turned into a single super server capable of destroying entire servers at will are represented, rather randomly, by this dog:

Originally Posted by zimble

Given I am not the only one this in thread who thinks the pop is too low, clearly not everyone is happy.

Oh ok you have me there *insert wink and cheesy grin here*...

The op, you and one other person expressed unhappiness with the Gilrain server population (The 'other' person change their mind within the duration of this thread however after numerous people pointed out the benefits of Gilrain as they experience them).

Many posters who prefer Gilrain to other servers offer solutions, but fair enough they don't suit you so you discount them as a remedy for you individually. On that note, you are an 'individual' and not the voice of Gilrain or the majority; albeit your opinion does support the OP and thus you are correct you are not alone in your opinion.

Is there any point furthering this discussion? If so let me know and I will bring popcorn and rola cola for the further trololol that appears to have surfaced.