Cracked Rhi Helvarch Sigils and other elusive items.
About 2 weeks ago I got my main up to 75 and as you'd expect it's time to craft some new gear.
I need approximately 6 Sigils for Jewellery and LIs yet for all my foraging efforts I haven't come across one in weeks.
I've probably collected around 1000 Skarn Ore and not a single one has come up I've heard the same from others on glff.
For such a common ingredient to be so rare is ridiculous.
AH and Skirmish Vendors should be alternative ways to get items instead they are about the only way you can now.
Each one fetching 8-9g or more from AH and a fair amount from the Skirm vendor marks I need for collecting another rare item the Worn Celebrimbor Symbols and for the high end armour set.
They need to start dropping more often or have an alternative way to get them such as barter or from rep vendors.
Maybe even finding them in instance boss chests.
You've just been unlucky, they generally drop every 100 or or so.
I'll also state the obligatory "8G is barely anything these days", which, although true, does not make me feel better about spending that amount. Just because it is easily afforded doesn't mean that is a price one likes to pay.
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I need approximately 6 Sigils for Jewellery and LIs ...
You won´t need that many sigil. Most of the best jewellery comes from instances/skirmishes/reputation vendors, so you really don´t need a crafted piece and thus only 2 sigil for your legendar items. For instances and skirmishes this list might help you to find what you need even if it does not include the pieces from orthanc or roots of fangorn, but i´m too lazy to look for a more up to date list http://www.rangersoferiador.com/foru....php?f=2&t=668
Don´t forget to check the reputation vendors at Galtrev and Stangart (both factions in both towns), they also have some shinies for almost every class.
Originally Posted by radspakr
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another rare item the Worn Celebrimbor Symbols ...
A Worn Symbol of Celebrimbor is not that hard to get. You receive one for completing the epic story quests along the Great River and another one for your first Draigoch hardmode kill. Also they drop at a rather good rate in every Draigoch and Orthanc T1 raid and not that often in almost every other level 75 instance or skirmish.
Hope that helps to overcome the financial problems
They need to start dropping more often or have an alternative way to get them such as barter or from rep vendors.
Maybe even finding them in instance boss chests.
You can barter for both Worn Symbols of Celebrimbor and Cracked Sigils of Rhi Helvarch in skirmish camps.
I feel your pain, but my experience in harvesting Cracked Rhi Helvarch Sigils, my actual experience in either ore or wood harvesting is 1 in 350 ores or woods, so to get them, you will invest quite a great deal of time.
You will need 7 sigils to craft the good river T-7 guild jewelry, they are only surpassed in quality by the Isengard raid gear, which is vastly superior by about 20% more capable.
As other players indicated you could skirmish for them to, and you can ge them for aobut 8 gold at AH.
Suggestion for you, since you are gold strapped. Skarn is over harvested so it sells for almost nothing. Go mine ancient iron, and dwarf iron; but do not process them; you get more for them in ore mode, for many would ratehr just buy the ore to train their future crafters. 100 Ancient Iron Ores sells for between 5 gold and 10 gold, so after half an hour of prospecting in alowbie zone, you should be able to generate the income to buy a sigil.
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For such a common ingredient to be so rare is ridiculous.
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Maybe even finding them in instance boss chests.
I guess your problem is that you see Rhi Helvarch sigils, and subsequently crafted teals. as common items. They are not (supposed to be). Their rarity is the "poor mans´" raid locks, which prevent instancers from gaining their items too fast as well.
Boss chests already "drop" them because you can use your marks and medallions to buy them. If you "need" those currencies for something else, that is your prerogative.
Originally Posted by Acasta
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You will need 7 sigils to craft the good river T-7 guild jewelry, they are only surpassed in quality by the Isengard raid gear, which is vastly superior by about 20% more capable.
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Please stop claiming this false number of 20%. If I may quote myself in a response to YOU:
Originally Posted by Vandervahn
The Great River crafted items are in fact 2.5% better than skirmish raid pieces and Draigoch armor (minus the set bonus). Orthanc gear is in fact 1% (T1) / 5% (T2) better (again, without set bonus). Yes, there is a math behind it all. I wont deny though that instance drops give better possibilities to mix and match. ...
The Great River crafted items are in fact 2.5% better than skirmish raid pieces and Draigoch armor (minus the set bonus). Orthanc gear is in fact 1% (T1) / 5% (T2) better (again, without set bonus). Yes, there is a math behind it all. I wont deny though that instance drops give better possibilities to mix and match.
Just taking a look at the math this seems to be right, but this does not take into account the usability of the crafted items. I don´t think that on my 4 level 75 chars I use more than 1 crafted piece per char. The stats might be higher, but the combination is in some places totally wrong, making (mathematically) weaker items from lets say skirm raids more of a benefit than the crafted items.
True, but I did allude to that in my post. The simple huge breadth of instance drops allow for more fine tuning. Funny thing is though that many Orthanc drops, specifically things interesting for might-using classing, have their stats equally, if not more than crafted stuff, thrown all over the place. There are for example less than three 100% desirable items in ALL of Orthanc loot for non-tanking Champions, Captains or GRDs.
my expierence on sigil drops is between 500 and 1 k worth of or mined per sigil then again some days they dont seem to drop well then again i know there are a few explorers on my server that are cherry picking the nodes (ive seen them) they run up to a node and use ther tools on it the node remains full of metal or wood so they have to just be searching for cracked rhi's . the drop rate has been adjusted a few times since release and it currently in my opinion a bit low. just keep mining or buy them
Sigil's you'll get as you go, I haven't really done much harvesting, but I just knock off any rich nodes as I go, I think I still have about 8 sigils in the vault...
The biggest thing here is, I've only ever used them for crafting LIs. Yeah, the great river jewellery is nice, but, especially on a main, you are going to get 3-5 pieces of jewellery from limlight gorge, you just need the rep first. So once you ding 75, look for a group to get the intro quests in Limlight done, and then do the dailies as you work through Great River, there is always LLG groups forming. 4 of my 6 75s all have Kindred with this faction so far, the jewellery is fantastic. Run Foundry T2 as well for the orthanc sigils and you can get your neck piece that way, this instance sees more action then GS Dailies during MoM... 4-8 sigils per run, will take you a while to get the top necklace (without clasp), but it's as good as the crafted stuff....
That pretty much means that all you need to worry about is bracelets... And there are a couple in Galtrev from the Riders rep vendor which are decent...
Basically, crafting in RoI has been restricted (for me) to consumables (food/scrolls/tokens) and the odd off hand weapon...
For your first worn symbol, head to Galtrev, get the quest for Draigoch, go and unlock it, and join the next run, this instance is well past farmable status and you don't see many failures anymore, just the odd bug out... Even if you are undergeared, as long as you have a decent main tank that knows where to go and a pair of healers that aren't useless, you're set.
I don't remember the exact number, but recently I found 2 sigils before I reached 50 ore and 50 branches. One of them even came from a non-rich node. I can't say I'm the luckiest person, but I still have unused sigils and I've crafted just about everything I wanted so far.
Here is something I can't prove but have noticed... the drop rate in Dunlad seems to be far greater than in Great River for sigils. I can't recall the last time I found one in GR but I seem to get quite alot when I'm in Dunland. Give that a shot and see if your luck changes!
Because they are rare, prices have been mostly stable since the release of RoI. This is something unheard of in the days of the mithril flake. As a metalsmith, weaponsmith, jeweller or tailor you can make 20G every week from the guild recipies. From my perspective crafting is much better than it was in MoM or SoM, but not yet on par with crafting in SoA (armour stats are to low to be viable at endgame).
I might want to challenge your assertion that the ultimate raid drops is only 2.5% better than crafed guild gear, but when I made the evaluation I did not use a supercomputer and nor I did all kind unusual value compensators. I simply stood at the AH and waited for players of my same class, this case Guardian, and compared their armors against my Crafted Guild River Armor and other gear items. What I noted after inspecting was that Guild gear is actually superior to Dragoich by a noticeable amount, but when I delved the good rare raid stuff, the difference between their armor and mine was huge, not a merely 2.5%, and that was protection values, but I also compared the enhancement values of the armor beyond the protection and bonuses for jewelry and they were not just a few points better to account for a humble 2.5%, those differences where much larger.
Perhaps I miss interpreted what struck me as obvious, and in fact it may be possible you are correct that the overall difference is only 2.5%. But I would surmise that 2.5% of 2000 is 50 points (basic math), when I did the simple inspect and compared the items, differences were many several hundred points in just about everything, a truly markable difference. Had the difference only been 50 points or 2.5% I would likely not been able to tell the difference for it would have been so trivial.
I will go back later today to AH at Galtrev and compared my guild crafted gear and raid gear, and verify that my initial measurements were perhaps in error. I also potentially maybe seeing players who had mixed and matched, and thus are truly running around with the very best of drops, purchasables, etc.
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