Thread: Lack of survival skills = major frustation

It really started to get to me early this morning when I got killed in the Moors on three separate occasions by greenie BAs who popped their MT 30 second invincibility and just shot me to death while I did everything in my power to damage or attempt to CC them. Trying to hit them with Heartseeker is pointless unless you manage to crit or they're under 2k morale, but if they hit MT at the beginning of the fight there's just no way to fight back.

Is there any way to counter Moving Target on a BA besides LOS'ing them and hoping they don't chase you? If you're on an open field with no cover are you just basically screwed?

I mean, I feel like these are stupid questions but I really haven't figured out any answers for them in the hunter vs BA situation. Hunters don't have any way to stay alive besides blowing all their DPS buffs and fighting back even harder, we have nothing in the way of an attrition skill like Moving Target to keep us in the fight for a few seconds extra when things really get down to the wire and it comes to either us or them. Once a BA hits MT, you could have 2500 agility and do 3200 DPS steady and not even be able to scratch them, which basically removes all capability of a hunter surviving.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't about hunters being gimped or creeps being OP, things are fine as they are. Hunters just need a survival skill of some sort like every other class has so that we actually have a way to counter it when a creep uses theirs.

1) If the BA is not high ranked or skilled, or lacks both, you have a chance. Run in close and spam low cut, throwing in scourging blow and swift stroke, while running through him to make inductions a pain (even while running he'll have to face you to get his inductions off in skirmisher stance). Don't use blindside though, as that will root you for a short time and give the BA some moving room. Also, agile rejoinder is your big time friend for both the small HoT and the inability for it to be evaded. Usually I find that by the time their MT is down, if I still have 2k morale left, I'm in a much better situation than they are. When MT is about 2 seconds, pop down for intent concentration. Dazing shot as soon as MT's off, then blow him up. Dazing shot >> pew pew >> bard's >> pew pew >> dazing blow >> pew pew finishes the job. Things to watch out for are the pottable flaming arrow, and unlucky crits. Use morale pots early on and you might have a better chance later.

2) /switchtogodmodehunterwhothinks alliswell
Hunters are totally fine, we don't need a survival skill. We spam 3k pene shot crits in PvE gear, so we must be uber in PvP. Also, we've got that 5 min CD for 2k morale, pretty cool huh? Of course.... there's that 5 second induction... But let's not talk about that. I one shotted a greenie at grams yesterday with burn hot up and 5 burg reveal weaknesses, so we don't need survivability. Just be a raid baby.

Just pull a 'wimpy wimpy wimpy' and use desperate flight.

OH WAIT WE CAN'T EVEN CHICKEN WUSS.

Fellowship DF tho for moors ? Hahaha.

I've always found greeny BAs to be super ballsy or really stupid to go after any freep. If they pop MT right at the beginning and do not hinder, I just run away and keep distance until MT is off. If they've hindered, I just run thru them w/ all my melee skills and sometimes I get lucky with their side facing me and I get some hits in.

I find it hard to lose to -R5 BAs even if they've popped MT, but anything above that and if they've p2w'd revenge/tangle/skirm stance, it's silly to even try.

Originally Posted by Bond007

1) If the BA is not high ranked or skilled, or lacks both, you have a chance. Run in close and spam low cut, throwing in scourging blow and swift stroke, while running through him to make inductions a pain (even while running he'll have to face you to get his inductions off in skirmisher stance). Don't use blindside though, as that will root you for a short time and give the BA some moving room. Also, agile rejoinder is your big time friend for both the small HoT and the inability for it to be evaded. Usually I find that by the time their MT is down, if I still have 2k morale left, I'm in a much better situation than they are. When MT is about 2 seconds, pop down for intent concentration. Dazing shot as soon as MT's off, then blow him up. Dazing shot >> pew pew >> bard's >> pew pew >> dazing blow >> pew pew finishes the job. Things to watch out for are the pottable flaming arrow, and unlucky crits. Use morale pots early on and you might have a better chance later.

Melee skills/skills of any kind, minus agile rejoinder and heartseeker are 100% irrelevant if they hit Moving Target. I usually try to melee them to get my barbed arrow buff up and then run through them to try to LOS them while I attempt to just survive as long as I can, but I don't run full audacity gear (use the pauldrons of precision for extra agility/+1 audacity and that's it) so it's pretty much pointless since I take so much damage.

It either comes down to stacking agility to blast everything to death with extreme DPS or using audacity gear to attempt to drag things out slightly longer and hope you survive, but neither option is very good.

EDIT: LAWL, didn't really fully read the second sarcastic part. Yeah, the ones who always like to comment typically aren't the ones actually out doing the real thing.

Originally Posted by Zulubeast

I've always found greeny BAs to be super ballsy or really stupid to go after any freep. If they pop MT right at the beginning and do not hinder, I just run away and keep distance until MT is off. If they've hindered, I just run thru them w/ all my melee skills and sometimes I get lucky with their side facing me and I get some hits in.

I find it hard to lose to -R5 BAs even if they've popped MT, but anything above that and if they've p2w'd revenge/tangle/skirm stance, it's silly to even try.

I usually don't have too much trouble with BAs below rank 6 or so, but I got killed twice by one that was only R3, so it's slightly frustrating. Seems like there are a lot of store bought creeps around too, because I ran into a R4 BA with skirmisher stance already. Unless they stack crit defenses I can burn them down without even exhausting all my starting focus, but if they hit that MT it's pretty much over.

Hobbit Flop FTW! As a hobbit hunter I flop when a BA hits MT, assuming its up due to the 1 hr cd. Without MT BA's are a super easy fight, doesn't matter what rank they are at all (Ended a 1v1 against a rank 13 with 3k morale left). If flop is on CD, any BA rank 5+ can make a fool of me though...

Originally Posted by Bond007

1) If the BA is not high ranked or skilled, or lacks both, you have a chance. Run in close and spam low cut, throwing in scourging blow and swift stroke, while running through him to make inductions a pain (even while running he'll have to face you to get his inductions off in skirmisher stance). Don't use blindside though, as that will root you for a short time and give the BA some moving room. Also, agile rejoinder is your big time friend for both the small HoT and the inability for it to be evaded. Usually I find that by the time their MT is down, if I still have 2k morale left, I'm in a much better situation than they are. When MT is about 2 seconds, pop down for intent concentration. Dazing shot as soon as MT's off, then blow him up. Dazing shot >> pew pew >> bard's >> pew pew >> dazing blow >> pew pew finishes the job. Things to watch out for are the pottable flaming arrow, and unlucky crits. Use morale pots early on and you might have a better chance later.

2) /switchtogodmodehunterwhothinks alliswell
Hunters are totally fine, we don't need a survival skill. We spam 3k pene shot crits in PvE gear, so we must be uber in PvP. Also, we've got that 5 min CD for 2k morale, pretty cool huh? Of course.... there's that 5 second induction... But let's not talk about that. I one shotted a greenie at grams yesterday with burn hot up and 5 burg reveal weaknesses, so we don't need survivability. Just be a raid baby.

1) They really shouldn't be bothering too much with inductions if they have Skirm Stance (Screaming Shafts and Headshot is about it) They can simply spam their 3 basic skills, and their 4th if they bought Tangleshot and can even pause briefly for Punctured Target if they want to.

2) Totally man, we don't need anything but Improved Pen. Shot to simply OWN everything in the Moors. Who needs healing when you can blow up a R15 WL in 3-4 skills? We're so OP everything should be a least a 1s induction and cost 6 focus, that's how super-OP we are, most OP class ever man, we might as well disarm ourselves and punch the creeps to make it fair.

Originally Posted by Kajil

It either comes down to stacking agility to blast everything to death with extreme DPS or using audacity gear to attempt to drag things out slightly longer and hope you survive, but neither option is very good.

Yup. I have 6 audacity pieces, you'd be amazed how much it helps, for realzies. I also "rigged" it to go 2/2/2 for max agility build.

This is the best way to deal with Blackarrows:

Play as one.