Thread: Lets get that 1v1 going on

Originally Posted by Rob83

Oh God, another flea with a cough here....

There are moments that ppl are doing 1vs1 and moments that ppl go around map solo or make raid or groups, like you...nothing wrong man, u cannot force ppl to do what u want like yesterday. U said u like a lot 1vs1 fights or 1vs1 area? I think u like 1vs1 area to zerg everything with your OP ppl Irva and co. This is ABUSE!! I'm not blaming you because some creeps do the same as you, but I think there's something wrong when ppl don't know nothing about snowy PvP and old raid fights between creeps and freeps and especially MUTUAL RESPECT, and u are one of these ppl that u can't talk, because I never seen you in Ettens before the champion became a very strong class to kill.

cheers!

Thx 4 the flea but i prefer to be a mosquito.....
I've never been in EM before champ changes cause i was not playing this game, i started in June 2011 to level up my champ and looking to the results i've done an excellent job ....
About 1vs1 i'm ok 4 it but people should not Camp it for all the things i sayd some posts before .....

The best respect i can show to my opponent is give them the best fight as possible all around the map as i suppose they love challenging situation extreme difficult fight istenad of easyrenown at 1v1 vs class they're sure to beat or just fight they are sure tu control. PvP could be not fair, could be not fun, could not be even, ehi you could also wipe! It's just like war. IF you don't like that that's not the game for you.

I'll keep fight all creeps in EM at my best, i'll show them all my respect. :-)

Tnx to all creeps that wipe me, you give me things to think about to improve myself. ;-) Pls keep do your best!

P.s.: If there will be a 1v1 area it will not be Good Ta, try with another place out of the action. (suggestion : 3 rocks behind LC)

The mutual respect is the only thing unfortunately that from five years it regulates the area 1vs1.

Useless to tell histories... immortal group to make easy points without honor.

Certain people are happy only if they are also famous because of unpopularity.

They is alone of the poor men.

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

The best respect i can show to my opponent is give them the best fight as possible all around the map as i suppose they love challenging situation extreme difficult fight

Don't worry bro...play on the creep side is a challenge at all......but maybe you don't know that....

It's so easy to get that much self confidence on freep side nowadays. There's such an unbalance than some freeps, clearly with a big lack of skills, really believe they're pro :P
Too bad this pvmp is not changin into an open pvp or some of you would finally confront reality :P

I understand, though, some of you are in need of a hug and motivation

Originally Posted by Anolus

Thx 4 the flea but i prefer to be a mosquito.....
I've never been in EM before champ changes cause i was not playing this game, i started in June 2011 to level up my champ and looking to the results i've done an excellent job ....
About 1vs1 i'm ok 4 it but people should not Camp it for all the things i sayd some posts before .....

It must be hard to be humble when you have a God Mode Char and not known anything else, even when you have a lot to be humble about.

but on topic:
1vs1 at GTA is (sadly) a symbiotic relationship. The genuine 1vs1 crowd don’t number enough to maintain a community and it dies, there are not enough genuine 1 vs 1 ers. So to survive the area needs the “safe area huggers” the gankers, the kB stealers, the spies and all the other parasites that feed off it and periodically take part keeping the numbers viable.
If the area moved (again) away from good TA the parasites wouldn’t come and the area would die, if you think I am wrong this has been done before and moved to good LC (then it started from a higher user base) and guess what…it died, a surprise to no one.
I am not against 1vs1 (anything that gives people fun while not hurting the fun of others) but where it is at the moment interferes with the majority (even if it isn’t the vocal majority) who would like to use that tactically and geographically sensitive area for PvP without safe area huggers broadcasting the movements in OOC (it happens on both sides) and getting all hyperventilated if they get caught in the crossfire. Combined with the pathetic whining in OOC “X ganked me, now I gank the world" and "1/x to gank the gankers at GTA" etc, it becomes a large, central area of the map not useable by real soloers.
Please don’t put the majority through another cycle of this crapola! You want formalised willy waving, arrange it with agreed rules and find somewhere (anywhere, even GTA) do the deed the go away and above all have fun but not at the expense of others.

And @ Nav it must be inspirational to be a normal champ in the presence of "excellence"! ./Hug

Originally Posted by FingersUK

but on topic:
1vs1 at GTA is (sadly) a symbiotic relationship. The genuine 1vs1 crowd don’t number enough to maintain a community and it dies, there are not enough genuine 1 vs 1 ers. So to survive the area needs the “safe area huggers” the gankers, the kB stealers, the spies and all the other parasites that feed off it and periodically take part keeping the numbers viable.
If the area moved (again) away from good TA the parasites wouldn’t come and the area would die, if you think I am wrong this has been done before and moved to good LC (then it started from a higher user base) and guess what…it died, a surprise to no one.
I am not against 1vs1 (anything that gives people fun while not hurting the fun of others) but where it is at the moment interferes with the majority (even if it isn’t the vocal majority) who would like to use that tactically and geographically sensitive area for PvP without safe area huggers broadcasting the movements in OOC (it happens on both sides) and getting all hyperventilated if they get caught in the crossfire. Combined with the pathetic whining in OOC “X ganked me, now I gank the world" and "1/x to gank the gankers at GTA" etc, it becomes a large, central area of the map not useable by real soloers.
Please don’t put the majority through another cycle of this crapola! You want formalised willy waving, arrange it with agreed rules and find somewhere (anywhere, even GTA) do the deed the go away and above all have fun but not at the expense of others.

I agree with most of your words buddy.
I just believe there's no need to move the spot or to change rules or habbits. Players in love with 1v1 just have to finally accept that they could be ganked or zerged or whatever from the rest of players, in any moment, without any reason. That is part of the game and whining in OOC won't help you to fix it but will even make things worse. I've seen a sort of flowchart in one of these topics that could really help with that. You cannot stand being ganked? >> Then just don't play 1v1 in lotro.

But, however, I'm completely against players trying to force all others to their own decision, just like "1v1 has to be banished". It's been a long time since I witnessed to that sort of actions (last time were Ferreus days) but the fact factions flipped, with freeps trying to abolish it and creeps willin to play 1v1, doesn't change my opinion. As those days I was playing the policemen on freep side, I'll do that on creep side :P I'm just a noob reaver but luckily I got a tribe in case of need :P

Irvaard you really need a course in Snowbourn PvP, because the amount hypocritical and simply wrong statements you make is shocking.

One of the more hypocritical ones is your sudden change in opinion of 1v1. You used to use it quite often. I am guessing with the creep skill upgrades and the GRDs nerfs you found that you could no longer farm it.

Now if you do not want people to post similar minded posts to yours then I would suggest that you change your view in respect of your own actions.

I agree that you probably are a nice person, but you are not a nice person for the community unless you think PvP should be aimed at making other people angry.

Originally Posted by Anolus

i started in June 2011 to level up my champ and looking to the results i've done an excellent job ....

your modesty I bow to you

btw all this &&&& is the reason I quitted pvp. not that you all care about anyone except yourself.

Irvaard you just shoud go and hide for the shame of what you are.

What a bunch of Tartuffes!

Originally Posted by Siliveth

Irvaard you just shoud go and hide for the shame of what you are.

And with the number of convicted clubbers or spies™ in your Tribe and/or Kinship you have a good expertise on the subject?

Originally Posted by Nokor

Irvaard you really need a course in Snowbourn PvP, because the amount hypocritical and simply wrong statements you make is shocking.

One of the more hypocritical ones is your sudden change in opinion of 1v1. You used to use it quite often. I am guessing with the creep skill upgrades and the GRDs nerfs you found that you could no longer farm it.

Now if you do not want people to post similar minded posts to yours then I would suggest that you change your view in respect of your own actions.

I agree that you probably are a nice person, but you are not a nice person for the community unless you think PvP should be aimed at making other people angry.

Nokor dunno how you can say i was a 1v1 user... i never liked 1v1, and the few time i was there i was soo disappointed by all the ego and clubbing action that i never come back. probably 0.5% of my renown, surely less was made there.

Anyway that was not a problem at all for me and i always respect this kind of "abnormal" way to play pvp in a sign of respect of the ppl that enjoy clubbing, training, soloing, made easyrenown vs class they are sure they can beat etc...

Well then come the time where angry ppl start blame and QQ about everything, gank and spy me at good ta etc...

Well i can't made a list of ppl and check it all the time i'd to pass trought good ta to be sure to don't get ganked, and honestly that "abnormal" way of play pvp and all the trash ego talking that it made become very annoyng.

So well... i start play like i want, i don't care anymore about what ppl think about me as they seem to QQ anyways. I think that mature ppl know that a game have their rules and respect the rules is the only way to play it. I've respect for everyone and i think that no one of the ppl that keep insult me can say here that i insult them back, but mate cmon you're sad, QQ and angry attititude is not becoming a bit embarassing for yourself?

Stop teach ppl how they had to play this game, when they simply play it right.
Cheers, see you in EM. Enjoy.

P.s.: And sorry if you can't hide farm rank anymore in EM and you need to go out in the wild when there's some group of freeps|creeps.... could be strange but it's like pvp was designed before defenders of the light come and wrote their sad rules. (same ppl that run away and go afk when they can't made their easypoing point around and leave weakest get farmed alone)

P.s.: I play from October 2012 and my guardian is never been so strong so i don't understand what you're talking about the class. Yes it's not OP and i'm fine with it.

Last P.s.: Ehi why everyone don't try to play and enjoy this game as it is without pretend or want that it's something different? It's an open pvp area where everyone can do what he want. Just take or leave? Would not be better and stop at all the QQ, insulting etc...? There's soo much different point of view and overstructured opinion about lotro pvp that would be positive return to the origin of what it is. No more QQ about terrain exploiters (great show of terrain tactical advantage in a game, huge respect to those abuser), cj (well some jim and "hate" is expected between sauron forces and freeps), hipser|sprinter (well what they don't have to do... stay and die and give you point? -.-;, gankers (well huge respect to those ppl that are so brave to move behind the enemy line and give us some mobility in the action instead of stay all the day in front of gy camping), PvErs (well when there's no enemy around what you had to do...) etc etc etc..

Originally Posted by GrandCru

And with the number of convicted clubbers or spies™ in your Tribe and/or Kinship you have a good expertise on the subject?

Well, looking at you would be even better, master of chickens
Dammit, when I said "more wine" somebody got it wrong...

Originally Posted by Navhar

Well, looking at you would be even better, master of chickens

Look at the definition of "convicted" as well, you may find it in of the many chapters of The History of PvP on Snowbourn you missed or skipped, master of champions

Originally Posted by GrandCru

What a bunch of Tartuffes!


And with the number of convicted clubbers or spies™ in your Tribe and/or Kinship you have a good expertise on the subject?

you dont have anything to say about myself so you try to make me feel guilty for someone else I dont even care? Try better next time.

So much bulls**t.

What I don't get is the endless whining about Irvaard. He seems to be the scapegoat for everything: Disappointed with something? Blame Irvaard!! Problem with your life? It's Irvaard's fault! I can't find a single place in any of his replies harsh or mean words to anyone. Are you guys jealous or what? I've seen Irvaard's raids alot from stealth, been killed by them many times, and I've even been a part of a few of them several months ago. Certainly he has gotten better at leading, all I remember from those raids was hiding behind rocks, no offense

If you don't like being camped at lug gy/grams, go somewhere else, try to avoid the area, organize yourself, whatever! If they don't find anyone to kill they will get tired and disband or start PvE'ing. Just stop this pointless whining. To be honest, much of what I read on forums and in OOC lately concerning Irvaard is f**k**g ridiculous and borderline bullying. Come on people, it's just sad!

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

Well that made me laugh :P



I don't actually see this point to be honest, they gave one silly argument, that isn't even good to be honest, that's my view of it. They are being annoying and acting like kids: They have some fundamental issues with 1v1 apparently.

But let's turn the view around, shall we? If a PE-player goes for a solo player, let's say a rank 3 hunter. This can be called an 1v1, right? What if 20 freeps are camping that area (running around it, tracking all the time with 3 hunters) and when that rank 3 hunter is being attacked by a PE player, the freeps start to zerg it. This is exactly what happens at good TA. Players are 1v1ing, whereas this was planned and not in my example, but it's still an 1v1, the group is camping around good TA and tracking anything around. Whenever they start a fight then they are coming to zerg it. Would you like that? They seem to have ''fun'', but apparently if we change the view of what they are doing it isn't fun. That is for the PE-people to fill in.

However moving the area wouldn't help, because they would act more &&&&&&&& and camp that point.


This happened a lot and will happen. For the past years (afaik) creeps had the numbers, freeps had the skills. This worked well, until Isengard. "Pay to win"... A creep can have all skills, while a rank 12 would have worked very hard to even get them. This might be unfair. And the grouping still stays the same, creeps will group more and freeps will solo their way through. It's a different playstyle from both sides and it's the reality.

However I have nothing against freeps grouped even though I'd like to see them all soloing. Will never happen of course. The point is and what Nokor states is that, when the action is balls he logs (zerging or whatever). Back in the older days we relied on 1v1 then, if Creeps didn't want to group or participate in zerging there was the 1v1 area to give some action with (in how far subjectivity goes) fair players, the same counted for freeps. And yes, I have been a lot at 1v1, maybe too much, but isn't this a sign of how bad pvp is ? When other players are at 1v1 you'll stay there and have some fair spars, right?

However, I was a lot at 1v1. I was also at main action, but for melee (and I speak for burglars to be fair) it's quite hard to get renown there. Snowbourn pvp is summarized:
- Zerging
- Cooldown hugging
- Healers on 1 side, other side ''&&&&-it mentality''
- OOC whiners ( player x is at spot y, please help! )

This means a soloer will be:
- Killed by a zerg
- Not even being able to kill it because of the cooldown (i.e. MT/Uruk heal) and is forced now to use his own cooldowns -> this results in whining
- Not being healed -> dieing in main action.
- Whenever you ''gank'' or ''jump'' on a creep, you will die within 1 minute, since creeps have maps.

And that brings me to this:



Again, other players other rules. This is also discussed. Of course it's a fact that Vanyar pvp is way better.. Those 1v1's are maybe more fair, but on that server (as far as I know) the players don't use Delving of Frór pots, morale pots, power pots, stun pots, the ''bugged'' brands, cooldowns and whatever more that everyone uses on this server. If you basically don't use it here then you'll be pwned badly by every creep as a freep. Of course the creeps keep QQing how OP freeps are and QQ this QQ that.. But for the past few years creeps had numbers. And this is something that will keep happening; the creeps have the groups, the freeps have the skill / trait lines and such.

At least they have respect for 1v1 on Vanyar. They disrespect it here, because it is unfair renown. In my opinion unfair renown is ... Zerging soloers with 12 people all night. It's not much renown, but it's easymode. Again freeps might be stronger than a creep, but a higher rank has a better chance than a rank 7 Pay to Win creep. The 1v1 area also gives creeps more skills in turning, reacting and everything they could use in raids for their advantage.

We can try building up the 1v1 area again, but at this point I don't really see it happening, of course there are a few annoying people on this server, we have to fight against them if we want to bring it on again. There are no written rules, they don't do anything wrong but it's just pathetic for community atmosphere, seems like most people don't care about the way we are talking with each other.

I'm 1v1ing / pvping lately myself on 1/10 of what I used to do, but I can notice drastic changes to our server and I'm not really happy to see this. The cooldowns especially are insane.

P.S Vital: Next time we spar drop the buffs, otherwise I won't accept. Flayer + DOF pots = no chance with those resistances and morale.

irvaard = freep version of ferreus

Originally Posted by Laneswould

(Sad 5 characters)

Originally Posted by Siliveth

someone else I dont even care?

Your kins and tribe mates will be happy to know.

Originally Posted by Siliveth

Try better next time.

I wouldn't dare, you are, obviously , epic at "1v1".

Lol, this is what happen when you break a toy to a baby ...
Crymeariver, cya in the EM

Why don't people just man up and say I'm ganking it for easy infamy/renoun, like the well known gankers, instead of trying to look like some noble hero trying to make pvp better?

Why people don't say : i like 1vs1 for its safe place area , for easy renown earning , for selected spar ( i spar only who i can win ) etc ?

The Pandora's box was open guys.....

Yea, I agree all of us need to calm down a bit
My suggestion is to switch sides more often, never to see things from a single point of view.

Originally Posted by Navhar

Yea, I agree all of us need to calm down a bit
My suggestion is to switch sides more often, never to see things from a single point of view.

I tried that, but I'll be flamed the minute I log on because.. It's me.. And I rage log off because the freeps zerg me

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

I tried that, but I'll be flamed the minute I log on because.. It's me.. And I rage log off because the freeps zerg me

Join PE mate, u are welcome here )) We will take care of you )

My experience of the last two days in 1vs1 area

yesterday





yes constantly

my spar vs Kurshat





Ettenmoors usain Irvaard bolt,Anolus,Alfith,Krucipisek and Julney ganked 1vs1

today





I was afk

Asking why I give it here?There is always someone who does not respect 1vs1.You think I cry?Not only regret people who do.

Battlefield promotions will be harder to earn i suppose
And if people like so much 1vs1 as someone suggested yesterday night they could stop them at 500hp...

Clarification:

Battlefield Promotion rank 1: +0% damage, +1% total health, +1% total power, +349.5 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 2: +1% damage, +2% total health, +2% total power, +699 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 3: +2% damage, +3% total health, +3% total power, +1048.5 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 4: +3% damage, +4% total health, +4% total power, +1398 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 5: +4% damage, +5% total health, +5% total power, +1747.5 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 6: +5% damage, +7% total health, +7% total power, +2446.5 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 7: +6% damage, +8% total health, +8% total power, +2796 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 8: +7% damage, +9% total health, +9% total power, +3145.5 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 9: +8% damage, +11% total health, +10% total power, +3495 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 10: +9% damage, +12% total health, +12% total power, +3844.5 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 11: +10% damage, +14% total health, +13% total power, +4194 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 12: +11% damage, +15% total health, +15% total power, +4893 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 13: +12% damage, +17% total health, +16% total power, +5592 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 14: +13% damage, +18% total health, +18% total power, +6291 Finesse rating
Battlefield Promotion rank 15: +15% damage, +20% total health, +20% total power, +6990 Finesse rating

As you can see creeps gets a lot of boost ranking and 1vs1 is one of the fastest way to earn them, so ppl that camp it can be compared to boosters and cheaters imho

Originally Posted by GrandCru

Your kins and tribe mates will be happy to know.


I wouldn't dare, you are, obviously , epic at "1v1".

lets say the ones that I care don't do what you say so they are not offended and the ones I dont care.... I dont care.

Was I talking about 1 vs 1!?!? By the way I can not be as good as you are Fredol, in the rare spars that I do my opponent starts at full morale not at 100 as you like it. I'd like to continue babbling with you but you are too funny for me I'm gonna end up pissing my pants

hugs

Originally Posted by Anolus

As you can see creeps gets a lot of boost ranking and 1vs1 is one of the fastest way to earn them, so ppl that camp it can be compared to boosters and cheaters imho

And what is your point? How do you not rank fast then in your opinion? Join every raid and zerg soloers, or zerg a little group that has no chance? Is that ''fair'' play? Yes some may have been there too much and ranked only through that, but some are to blame and some are not. I agree I was there a lot, but not 100% of the time, maybe 60% because I was roaming as well. Boost ranking is bs, you need to posess some skill in order to even win a 1v1. And if you don't, you will lose nearly every spar. Of course, the OP classes are abusing the 1v1 area, they actually know they are winning most of the fights, because .. A Warden for instance has big mitigations and morale, it's just a matter of time to take the creep down. A Defiler can just ruin the power of someone in 2 flies, and basically the freep has no chance, unless you have a good interrupting skill which most don't. A Minstrel and Champion, bubble, dps and heals - no more.

Those 4 classes are an example of a result that is certain lately and they can be concidered as ''boost ranking''. Now that pathetic reaction of you and your ''buddies'' is just not good, because you're punishing what others caused. However I've seen several people at 1v1 that weren't that skilled, got maybe 20% of their fights some renown. They were there a lot and improved.

The 500 morale thing, I can agree with this but it's very hard to arrange, looking to the fact freep side can get huge crits and creep side has a lot of dots. Either way the class will die unless you actually pot it.

I still don't see much point in ganking it, most people are too stupid to give a decent argument about it, just like this one. This is half an argument.

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

......And what is your point?.. The 500 morale thing, I can agree with this but it's very hard to arrange, looking to the fact freep side can get huge crits and creep side has a lot of dots. Either way the class will die unless you actually pot it.
I still don't see much point in ganking it, most people are too stupid to give a decent argument about it, just like this one. This is half an argument.

+REP
well said

It couldn't be simplier, people that gank it in majority are simply cr*p in it, eot. Otherwise they wouldn't bring 5 with them to help clear the area from 1 or 2 people out there. Afaik Zagud/Dutch[insert_class_name] was the only one that actually had guts to do it by self, as everytime he stepped there he faced risk for being alone with that.

As for doing 1v1 itself, it may be easy renown/infamy earning in a meaning that you don't have to look for the enemy all around the map, yet still it require more skill than doing the points in a regular stand off, since you can't rely on anybody but yourself.

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

And what is your point? How do you not rank fast then in your opinion? Join every raid and zerg soloers, or zerg a little group that has no chance? Is that ''fair'' play?

Mostly of the time i'm solo roaming and i only join othlon or irvaard raids
Ps
True ,last 10 days i've always been with my kin in pvp cause many of them joined EM and ofc they need to be trained and geared ^_^


Anyway if 4 you my point is half a discussion happy 4 you but i remain on my position

Ehi what's wrong in joining a raid? Other side can made ride tooo they're allowed.

Well everyone try to defend 1v1 blaming other ppl play style or tell them that they're not good enought to play there. (hyprosy) You're just sad.

You're easyrenown paradise is end. Sorry.

Play the game inside the rules, that's all you need to know and it's the end of the discussion.

There is no 1v1. Why some ppl complain about it?

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

You're easyrenown paradise is end. Sorry....and it's the end of the discussion.

Lol and who the hell are you to decide what is ended and what not? Lol, who do you think you are? You're just nobody, that's the answer. And thanks for the inf last night.

Originally Posted by Navhar

Lol and who the hell are you to decide what is ended and what not? Lol, who do you think you are? You're just nobody, that's the answer. And thanks for the inf last night.

What u will say if he will write:

Lol and who the hell are u to decitde there is something like 1v1? Lol, who do you think you are? You're just nobody, that's the answer. And thanks for the renowns last night.


Both side need to stop force/push ppl to any rules or game style they wanna to play. U wanna 1v1? do it. (accept fact there is other ppl dont respect 1v1 idea) U wanna kill everything u met? do it. (accept fact that some ppl will blam u and whine) But never force ppl to your game style or ideas. Most of us paying for this game so we will play it by self.

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

You're easyrenown paradise is end.

highlighted correct word. it has been here 5 years. and i belive it will be back as soon this game gain more balance. ganking it, u get bad rep and bad rep in this game sticks to you. and people will remember.atm u will get only handfull of creeps from there. kenzei otherhand gains more. i remember when around 40 people was there all time. how u gank that?

ps how ur spider too hard to play? no challenge? too easy?

Originally Posted by JonXu

it has been here 5 years. and i belive it will be back as soon this game gain more balance.

May you explain me how the 1vs1 gives to the game more balance pls?

Originally Posted by Anolus

May you explain me how the 1vs1 gives to the game more balance pls?

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

... Of course, the OP classes are abusing the 1v1 area, they actually know they are winning most of the fights, because .. A Warden for instance has big mitigations and morale, it's just a matter of time to take the creep down. A Defiler can just ruin the power of someone in 2 flies, and basically the freep has no chance, unless you have a good interrupting skill which most don't. A Minstrel and Champion, bubble, dps and heals - no more.

Those 4 classes are an example of a result that is certain lately and they can be concidered as ''boost ranking''. Now that pathetic reaction of you and your ''buddies'' is just not good, because you're punishing what others caused. However I've seen several people at 1v1 that weren't that skilled, got maybe 20% of their fights some renown. They were there a lot and improved.

There is your answer. There's a lot of players that have a 100% chance to win because they are FOTM. And most of them are noobs, but will still win.

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

Ehi what's wrong in joining a raid?

People that raid think they're good because they get a lot of points there. In fact, it's just hugging other players, receiving heals and leeching from other players. Look at yourself, you are leading and now you think you're the drama queen of ettens, saying what is there and what isn't.

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

You're easyrenown paradise is end. Sorry.

I was high ranked before you installed this game. You have no saying about how my renown is actually earned. Besides, my current renown amount is about 3 times your renown.

I have nothing more to say, the ones that backup each other are still suckers.

And Etheldar's story is 100% true. Jelly noobs?