Thread: Lets get that 1v1 going on

Yup i know you all thinks:
" Dude you are the last person who should post this thread"
or,
" You want 1v1 back so you can powerrank, or someone to gank?"

For that i dont care.
I want 1v1 back, and i know someone wants also.

Lets just try it man, we had some epic 1v1 during december 2011, right since it's been miserable.

With this said, come on guys lets try it again, and pls do not bother me with comments about how much i've ganked.
Good TA shall rise again !

Cu!

i dont understand why you want something back you have ruined yourself "confused"

Originally Posted by Elilreth

i dont understand why you want something back you have ruined yourself "confused"

Dude i just said dont bother me with those comments.
I havent ruined it, many has. So dont ruin my topic pls

Originally Posted by Xrays

Dude i just said dont bother me with those comments.
I havent ruined it, many has. So dont ruin my topic pls

mmmmmmmmmm, sure lets try it

Originally Posted by Elilreth

mmmmmmmmmm, sure lets try it

Cool :-)

The 1 vs 1 area is a nice spot where fighting against other creeps BUT there are people that use it not for its purpose:

Role playing with hobbits dancing etc
Reaver Roleplaying doing that animation skill
Pic-nic
Cooldown restore Area
Diplomatic Immunity in the area, so many run till they arrive in the safe place
Full of <R6 creeps that wait there only to kill a ganker and don't fight no one
AFK place

and many other that i can't remenber atm

Originally Posted by Xrays

Yup i know you all thinks:
" Dude you are the last person who should post this thread"
or,
" You want 1v1 back so you can powerrank, or someone to gank?"

For that i dont care.
I want 1v1 back, and i know someone wants also.

Lets just try it man, we had some epic 1v1 during december 2011, right since it's been miserable.

With this said, come on guys lets try it again, and pls do not bother me with comments about how much i've ganked.
Good TA shall rise again !

Cu!

Promise me i will not get nuked to death once i map there? I never use my GTA map these days due to gankers who wait there

[QUOTE=MessyR;6249875]Promise me i will not get nuked to death once i map there? I never use my GTA map these days due to gankers who wait there [/Q
I wont do anything !

It's soo good without 1v1 actually, ppl come back to play pvp again and some clubber start to lead also.

Epic win destroy the 1v1 area! PvP is turning fun again!

Ah also the OOC is clear of Gank*club*antigank* &&&& talking.

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

It's soo good without 1v1 actually, ppl come back to play pvp again and some clubber start to lead also.

Epic win destroy the 1v1 area! PvP is turning fun again!

Ah also the OOC is clear of Gank*club*antigank* &&&& talking.

its not destroyed, it is just dead. tell me what point is to 1v1 when most freep classes just own everything in 1v1?

Originally Posted by JonXu

its not destroyed, it is just dead. tell me what point is to 1v1 when most freep classes just own everything in 1v1?

Public Enemies will be more active than they were

I agree with restoration of 1v1 area. Tbh, i miss the ganking

Keep going with 1v1, Its an open PvP sandbox after all. If you feel that you can't enjoy PvP with people 1v1ing then thats tough luck for you.

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

It's soo good without 1v1 actually, ppl come back to play pvp again and some clubber start to lead also.

Epic win destroy the 1v1 area! PvP is turning fun again!

Ah also the OOC is clear of Gank*club*antigank* &&&& talking.

Ehm, what do you know about Snowbourn PvP if u play Lotro maybe from 5/6 months ?

"Now also the fleas have a cough?".

I saw your raids farming creeps at Lug Gy and I saw also 2/3 times, when creeps reached numbers, Irvaard group disbanded...
This is your "fun" ? Poor guy...


P.S. Yes man, as u said, when I play football matches with friends, I score goals, but I have respect of ppl !

Sorry for my English...

Ciao!!!!

Freeps if you exclude Minstrels and Wardens are for the most part evenly matched versus a creep with the same play time. The problem is that most creeps do not solo nor have as much game time as most Freeps, so when you go into a 1v1 situation then a Freep will win because of that.

Let us talk about Wardens and Minstrels then. Defilers can kill them 90% of the time, granted it will take them at least 5 minutes to do that! A good Warg is fairly evenly matched versus a DPS traited warden, though they rarely are full DPS. A good Warg is also evenly matched versus a mediocre Minstrel. That still makes Minstrels OP though as when the skill level is even then the advantage lies with the minstrel.

I have said it before, but if you removed the trait line bonuses for Freeps then it all would be sorted. Or just give creeps a trait line.

Right, back to the point of this thread. I see why Public Enemies do what they do, though it is insanely annoying. To be honest I did enjoy when the War-Leader duo charged (minus the Wargs) 1v1, it was a good challenge fending them off. What made me log off and still is for general action is when PvP changes to Zerg. For a solo player or fellowship player it changes to the point where your skill do not matter anymore.
Good TA 1v1s used to be a good way of earning Infamy/Renown for my Warg and RK, some people would like that to just stand alone. However in all honesty it is about the community having a 1v1 area in Sandbox PvP. I really do not see how the people there are ruining it for the rest of PvP. Most people there are only in PvP because 1v1is functioning. So it is not because 1v1 is stealing people away from pew-pew or raid vs. raid action. And if people gank you if you map GTA, then by all means Zerg them. Personally I never knowingly helped anyone running there for safety or gankers to gank. How hard is it to log a Freep and send people a /tell to ask them their intent or by just observing their actions? Anyways, I agree let us see if 1v1 could work again.

And people are still on it once again, there will not be a 1v1 area that grants you 100% of safety unless it will be oficially proclaimed by the blessed Turbine, you may disagree with the fact of ganks, but in fact they are not doing anything wrong according to the game rules, yet ruining something that the community have created is a different thing, more like moral-wise, but again to prevent it from happening you need a good community.

Though it would be funny to see all the 1v1 haters realising how extremely different conditions 1v1-wise are on e.g. Vanyar, they would get stunned by comparing them to the SB ones.

Originally Posted by Rob83

Ehm, what do you know about Snowbourn PvP if u play Lotro maybe from 5/6 months ?

Well that made me laugh :P

Originally Posted by Nokor

Right, back to the point of this thread. I see why Public Enemies do what they do, though it is insanely annoying.

I don't actually see this point to be honest, they gave one silly argument, that isn't even good to be honest, that's my view of it. They are being annoying and acting like kids: They have some fundamental issues with 1v1 apparently.

But let's turn the view around, shall we? If a PE-player goes for a solo player, let's say a rank 3 hunter. This can be called an 1v1, right? What if 20 freeps are camping that area (running around it, tracking all the time with 3 hunters) and when that rank 3 hunter is being attacked by a PE player, the freeps start to zerg it. This is exactly what happens at good TA. Players are 1v1ing, whereas this was planned and not in my example, but it's still an 1v1, the group is camping around good TA and tracking anything around. Whenever they start a fight then they are coming to zerg it. Would you like that? They seem to have ''fun'', but apparently if we change the view of what they are doing it isn't fun. That is for the PE-people to fill in.

However moving the area wouldn't help, because they would act more &&&&&&&& and camp that point.

Originally Posted by Nokor

The problem is that most creeps do not solo nor have as much game time as most Freeps, so when you go into a 1v1 situation then a Freep will win because of that.

This happened a lot and will happen. For the past years (afaik) creeps had the numbers, freeps had the skills. This worked well, until Isengard. "Pay to win"... A creep can have all skills, while a rank 12 would have worked very hard to even get them. This might be unfair. And the grouping still stays the same, creeps will group more and freeps will solo their way through. It's a different playstyle from both sides and it's the reality.

However I have nothing against freeps grouped even though I'd like to see them all soloing. Will never happen of course. The point is and what Nokor states is that, when the action is balls he logs (zerging or whatever). Back in the older days we relied on 1v1 then, if Creeps didn't want to group or participate in zerging there was the 1v1 area to give some action with (in how far subjectivity goes) fair players, the same counted for freeps. And yes, I have been a lot at 1v1, maybe too much, but isn't this a sign of how bad pvp is ? When other players are at 1v1 you'll stay there and have some fair spars, right?

However, I was a lot at 1v1. I was also at main action, but for melee (and I speak for burglars to be fair) it's quite hard to get renown there. Snowbourn pvp is summarized:
- Zerging
- Cooldown hugging
- Healers on 1 side, other side ''&&&&-it mentality''
- OOC whiners ( player x is at spot y, please help! )

This means a soloer will be:
- Killed by a zerg
- Not even being able to kill it because of the cooldown (i.e. MT/Uruk heal) and is forced now to use his own cooldowns -> this results in whining
- Not being healed -> dieing in main action.
- Whenever you ''gank'' or ''jump'' on a creep, you will die within 1 minute, since creeps have maps.

And that brings me to this:

Though it would be funny to see all the 1v1 haters realising how extremely different conditions 1v1-wise are on e.g. Vanyar, they would get stunned by comparing them to the SB ones.

Again, other players other rules. This is also discussed. Of course it's a fact that Vanyar pvp is way better.. Those 1v1's are maybe more fair, but on that server (as far as I know) the players don't use Delving of Frór pots, morale pots, power pots, stun pots, the ''bugged'' brands, cooldowns and whatever more that everyone uses on this server. If you basically don't use it here then you'll be pwned badly by every creep as a freep. Of course the creeps keep QQing how OP freeps are and QQ this QQ that.. But for the past few years creeps had numbers. And this is something that will keep happening; the creeps have the groups, the freeps have the skill / trait lines and such.

At least they have respect for 1v1 on Vanyar. They disrespect it here, because it is unfair renown. In my opinion unfair renown is ... Zerging soloers with 12 people all night. It's not much renown, but it's easymode. Again freeps might be stronger than a creep, but a higher rank has a better chance than a rank 7 Pay to Win creep. The 1v1 area also gives creeps more skills in turning, reacting and everything they could use in raids for their advantage.

We can try building up the 1v1 area again, but at this point I don't really see it happening, of course there are a few annoying people on this server, we have to fight against them if we want to bring it on again. There are no written rules, they don't do anything wrong but it's just pathetic for community atmosphere, seems like most people don't care about the way we are talking with each other.

I'm 1v1ing / pvping lately myself on 1/10 of what I used to do, but I can notice drastic changes to our server and I'm not really happy to see this. The cooldowns especially are insane.

P.S Vital: Next time we spar drop the buffs, otherwise I won't accept. Flayer + DOF pots = no chance with those resistances and morale.

1v1 seem to mean different to ppl, clubbing, ganking or just a fun spot to hang around (yes like me). How about remember that there is another person behind the creep or freep? and that person is playing the game as it suppose to be... for fun... Yes Etten is pvp... do I have hard feelings cause my tribies is killing me when i am on freep? or when my kinnies kill me when I am on my gorgeous spider? no, I don't... I laugh when I see my deaths on Itsy or Mian... so what?! get 1v1 going again like it use to be, whitout the gankers that are there to get the last morale out of a freep/creep just to get the kb and inf/renown. I really enjoy those few times when I see freeps and creeps interact without fighting... tea party... emotes and that is respect for the player on the other side

Yesterday i was followed al around moors by 1 group of 3 freeps that wanted me death for some reason, instead of going to gy I went 1 vs 1 to see if they wanted to fair fight me instead of zerging me, I still got zerged (i dont mind dying) and also another creep who was waiting there for a spar. After I came back to gta they where on there way back to ec but i was with 2 otherr creeps so we started fighting. 20 secs later a group of 5 freeps came all way from stab to zerg us. It seems to me that the freeps rather zerg and eazymode then have a fair fight. I lost hope in 1 vs 1 ing again. Few days ago people atleast where sparring there.

Originally Posted by Xrays

I want 1v1 back, and i know someone wants also.

Lets just try it man, we had some epic 1v1 during december 2011, right since it's been miserable.

With this said, come on guys lets try it again, and pls do not bother me with comments about how much i've ganked.
Good TA shall rise again !

Cu!

Want "old 1v1 days" back? - It's possible, just rollback few last Lotro updates bring back times when warden or mini died without long marathon and few other creeps helping you, when we get inf/renown from kills not from quests etc ...

It's all about people. Some ppl want to kill everyone around, some want to be in raid and take keeps, some want to do roleplayig things like dancing with wargs , .... etc.

If you want fight one vs one just do it - but do not force others to play your way. Personaly I dont care being killed/ganked/zerged. It's PvP area and I can die here. Simple. If you're good enough to kill me solo, ok. If you need fellow, raid. I dont care. I'll use all my skills to kill you or survive

I am complete confused about the OP. Attacking people mapping there within days after posting this? Do you or do you not want it back?? I have respected 1v1 thus far, but now I am seriously considering not doing it. Not that I'm a big threat...:P Also I witnessed one of the "great" 1v1'ers running away from the area during a fight, so I meddled in the fight thinking this could not be a 1v1. What the &%*#????

Make up your minds please. Or are there some double standards for certain people?

Originally Posted by ZirDust

I am complete confused about the OP. Attacking people mapping there within days after posting this? Do you or do you not want it back?? I have respected 1v1 thus far, but now I am seriously considering not doing it. Not that I'm a big threat...:P Also I witnessed one of the "great" 1v1'ers running away from the area during a fight, so I meddled in the fight thinking this could not be a 1v1. What the &%*#????

Make up your minds please. Or are there some double standards for certain people?

To whom are you talking here? :P

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

To whom are you talking here? :P

Not you The OP, for sure. I will not name the other person, no reason to.

I was actually going to read the replies to this thread untill i saw the lenght of Tol's post.. Jeez Tol - could someone give me a summary?

Originally Posted by Rob83

Ehm, what do you know about Snowbourn PvP if u play Lotro maybe from 5/6 months ?

"Now also the fleas have a cough?".

I saw your raids farming creeps at Lug Gy and I saw also 2/3 times, when creeps reached numbers, Irvaard group disbanded...
This is your "fun" ? Poor guy...


P.S. Yes man, as u said, when I play football matches with friends, I score goals, but I have respect of ppl !

Sorry for my English...

Ciao!!!!

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

I miss your post rob.

Honestly i'm feeling more and more a waste of time readn and aswer to the &&&& that sad ppl post on forum and write in ooc.

I don't care about what you think. If you don't like the rules of the game you play you're just stupid and it's better if you find another game.

If you want fight one vs one just do it - but do not force others to play your way. Personaly I dont care being killed/ganked/zerged. It's PvP area and I can die here. Simple. If you're good enough to kill me solo, ok. If you need fellow, raid. I dont care. I'll use all my skills to kill you or survive

There's ppl that use his brain so i'm happy to not be alone on Snowbourn.

About my raid disbanded... you're a bit wrong. I disband only because there's no more creeps around and roam with 23ppl for minute without finding anyone is a bit boring and ppl ask me to disband because magically just a minute later creeps come back again. ;-)

I'm a nice, polite boy so if you don't want me to disband, just log a freeps and tell me how many time i've to wait for creeps coming out from their hole and i'll wait.

BB

P.S.: Last post on sad forum. Let's your action talk for you.

Originally Posted by Arlecchino79

There's ppl that use his brain so i'm happy to not be alone on Snowbourn.

About my raid disbanded... you're a bit wrong. I disband only because there's no more creeps around and roam with 23ppl for minute without finding anyone is a bit boring and ppl ask me to disband because magically just a minute later creeps come back again. ;-)

P.S.: Last post on sad forum. Let's your action talk for you.

Did you get tired of zerging lowbies? Pity you couldnt farm grams all day long huh, most of the high rankers went afk while you pved.

As for the creep raid, they had no leaders, and leading against a freep raid on an all blue map is never an easy prospect, especially when the majority of creeps these days either dont group or are very low ranked, plus of course the amount of solo freeps from grams to LUG was crazy, fighting them plus a freep ball is a turn off :-D

I noticed Xporodus logged in and took a raid which was very nice to see.

Everyday i read the forum and everyday i read the same things and everyday i see that one says the opposite of the other so continue your way of playing and enjoy this s***

Originally Posted by Joedamezzer

I was actually going to read the replies to this thread untill i saw the lenght of Tol's post.. Jeez Tol - could someone give me a summary?

Originally Posted by Tolgaring

This made me laugh, because there is something wrong with this post: Literacy is spelled with one "t".....

In that case I failed :P

Litteracy has something to do with trash then :O

Originally Posted by Joedamezzer

I was actually going to read the replies to this thread untill i saw the lenght of Tol's post.. Jeez Tol - could someone give me a summary?

No need read all post.

Originally Posted by Nokor

Freeps if you exclude Minstrels and Wardens are for the most part evenly matched versus a creep with the same play time.

and you cant read more because of overhelming laugh

-.-................

I see we have dropped all pretense of discussing this issue properly.

Let the trolling continue...

Originally Posted by Nokor

Freeps if you exclude Minstrels and Wardens are for the most part evenly matched versus a creep with the same play time.

I am not a great fan of trolling (unless really well done, not seen since Lord Haw Haw) but I think that a significant number of Creeps might disagree with your exclusion of Champions and Runekeepers in this list (hows that for mild understatement), Guards are not far behind (not as bad as they were) and it is here where some might consider your statement as trolling and reply in the same mode but each to their own. Seriously though, do you really consider a champ to be "evenly matched versus a creep with the same play time"?

Originally Posted by FingersUK

I am not a great fan of trolling (unless really well done, not seen since Lord Haw Haw) but I think that a significant number of Creeps might disagree with your exclusion of Champions and Runekeepers in this list (hows that for mild understatement), Guards are not far behind (not as bad as they were) and it is here where some might consider your statement as trolling and reply in the same mode but each to their own. Seriously though, do you really consider a champ to be "evenly matched versus a creep with the same play time"?

If the Champ has no gear on, hits with a fish and uses no bubbles, i might beat him

Originally Posted by Nokor

I see we have dropped all pretense of discussing this issue properly.

Let the trolling continue...

you were ganking gta with your friend hydo and now want it back? cool story.

I'm on your side Galania, but the events of this afternoon have shown how the comunity of Lotro PvP doesn't accept this area in our server, it is true, the game does not include any area 1v1, but it is a matter of respect.

I will fight alongside of those people who want to make 1v1 without intruding on people (which it never materializes, but we can only limit this behavior). It will be tough this area back to what it was .. I remember when I played with my Champion (Heledh) in the 1v1 and there was a completely different climate .. now we must fight gankers and easyplayer.

Perhaps the advent of the new expansion will bring greater peace of mind of the players in Etten. I hope so
The important thing is to remember that this is just a game.

GL & HF

Athryl

Originally Posted by Rob83

Ehm, what do you know about Snowbourn PvP if u play Lotro maybe from 5/6 months ?

"Now also the fleas have a cough?".

I saw your raids farming creeps at Lug Gy and I saw also 2/3 times, when creeps reached numbers, Irvaard group disbanded...
This is your "fun" ? Poor guy...


P.S. Yes man, as u said, when I play football matches with friends, I score goals, but I have respect of ppl !

Sorry for my English...

Ciao!!!!

I agree.

Some people ABUSE of the 1vs1 area while the major parts of their faction have problems with zerg and this thing make people angry, so if you go to GTA and you can find 20 ppl and if you run around map you can't find nothing there is something wrong.
( before idiots start to blablabla i would say that i like a lot 1vs1 area but i don't camp it cause i don't need renown, commendations, rating or fame )

Originally Posted by Anolus

Some people ABUSE of the 1vs1 area while the major parts of their faction have problems with zerg and this thing make people angry, so if you go to GTA and you can find 20 ppl and if you run around map you can't find nothing there is something wrong.
( before idiots start to blablabla i would say that i like a lot 1vs1 area but i don't camp it cause i don't need renown, commendations, rating or fame )

Oh God, another flea with a cough here....

There are moments that ppl are doing 1vs1 and moments that ppl go around map solo or make raid or groups, like you...nothing wrong man, u cannot force ppl to do what u want like yesterday. U said u like a lot 1vs1 fights or 1vs1 area? I think u like 1vs1 area to zerg everything with your OP ppl Irva and co. This is ABUSE!! I'm not blaming you because some creeps do the same as you, but I think there's something wrong when ppl don't know nothing about snowy PvP and old raid fights between creeps and freeps and especially MUTUAL RESPECT, and u are one of these ppl that u can't talk, because I never seen you in Ettens before the champion became a very strong class to kill.

cheers!