Looks like at least three of you on him. Congrats, you've submitted photo evidence of your tendency to make sure you play with insurmountable odds. I should hope that three geared up, traited and legacied freeps can kill a solo creep...
3:1 odds... Frizzle's version of a fair fight. This pic isn't bragging rights, it's a gank shot.
Looks like at least three of you on him. Congrats, you've submitted photo evidence of your tendency to make sure you play with insurmountable odds. I should hope that three geared up, traited and legacied freeps can kill a solo creep...
3:1 odds... Frizzle's version of a fair fight. This pic isn't bragging rights, it's a gank shot.
I imagine he posted it because it shows Splay Popping (or already popped) evade and had broken legs.
Broken legs=no BPE = Moving target worthless
It is a waste of a CD which he is pointing out. Very noobish mistake (that splay does a lot).
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What I see is KBninja sitting on the bank of the river. My guess is KBninja has had enough and is refusing to gank with Frizle. Saying Frizle your such a noob. Get a pair,I'm tired of doing your work for you. KBninja holding a sign with words. Frizle stop using Frost Lore on the BA's.
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What I see is KBninja sitting on the bank of the river. My guess is KBninja has had enough and is refusing to gank with Frizle. Saying Frizle your such a noob. Get a pair,I'm tired of doing your work for you. KBninja holding a sign with words. Frizle stop using Frost Lore on the BA's.
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There's a distinct difference between using an aoe skill with some use against BA's (frost lore) vs using a skill that is rendered completely useless with broken legs (evade).
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There's a Rank 12 BA on Brandywine on Brandy that blows Moving Target against Rune Keepers in 1v1s.
There are plenty of elves out there that blow Eldar's Grace and run away, showing their backs to their opponents. There are Reavers out there that use Dying Rage to run away, with less than 1k morale left, against tactical classes. This is hardly interesting. =p
Who is this Minstrel from FBF? Every post this troll follows. Stop asking for autographs and get back in the barrel of used Hammer's.
For the last time Frost Lore does nothing,nodda,aint gonna happen,noway,nohow to a Black Arrow. Even traited the stun will just be negated to nothing with 7 Audacity or out right evaded. Idc if its an aeo or pcp or a keg of beer it wont do anything. Next thing I know you'll be telling me that Flaming Arrow is tactical and that VT is a new horse.
I know alot of the long time Freep pvper's think they know everything about the BA and the rest of the creep classes. So I'll break the news to you all with cookies and pie to ease your pain. Today's Black Arrow is nothing like the BA you once knew. Some idiots think Vital Target is just for KB's. Keep thinking that and the creeps will love you so much. I am not going to break down the whole class for you all. I will say this though. When you die,take a look at the combat log and see what KB's you. I am sure less than 10% of the time it comes from a Vital Target shot.
Please stay ignorant and please never change. You too Frizle
For the last time Frost Lore does nothing,nodda,aint gonna happen,noway,nohow to a Black Arrow. Even traited the stun will just be negated to nothing with 7 Audacity or out right evaded. Idc if its an aeo or pcp or a keg of beer it wont do anything.
Anyone remember when brammble would make large posts on the boards here? He made me look like a genius!! Not to mention no matter how you re word it nothing makes sense.
Anyone remember when brammble would VT full morale guards then run away?
See things change...a bit
Now he makes small posts with misinformation that make some sense.
Now he just VT's full morale heavies...but not Guards!
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As I stated Previously some long time freep pvpers think they know the BA class. I see also the same about their own freep classes.
Askir Yes it can stun when the LM has the proper build. I also see you think tactical cant be evaded. Not only can it be evaded,blocked,parried but out right miss completely.
While playing my Hunter I read details listed for Heart Seeker. It stated that it cant cannot miss nor be blocked,parried,or evaded. My very first use of the skill it missed. So much for relying on skill details list.
If anyone really wants to prove me wrong,please feel free to do so. However I only ask you to back it up with proof and not just useless statements.
As I stated Previously some long time freep pvpers think they know the BA class. I see also the same about their own freep classes.
Askir Yes it can stun when the LM has the proper build. I also see you think tactical cant be evaded. Not only can it be evaded,blocked,parried but out right miss completely.
While playing my Hunter I read details listed for Heart Seeker. It stated that it cant cannot miss nor be blocked,parried,or evaded. My very first use of the skill it missed. So much for relying on skill details list.
If anyone really wants to prove me wrong,please feel free to do so. However I only ask you to back it up with proof and not just useless statements.
Please stay ignorant and please never change.
It can't miss ON LEVEL. If you have a screenie of your Heartseeker missing/bpe'd on an on level target, you need to post that.
Tactical skills will never miss. You can put fire on your arrows and call it tactical damage, but that doesn't change the fact that those arrows will still be evaded.
ACTUAL tactical skills, such as RK lightning or LM fire skills will never be BPE'D.
It can't miss ON LEVEL. If you have a screenie of your Heartseeker missing/bpe'd on an on level target, you need to post that.
Tactical skills will never miss. You can put fire on your arrows and call it tactical damage, but that doesn't change the fact that those arrows will still be evaded.
ACTUAL tactical skills, such as RK lightning or LM fire skills will never be BPE'D.
Spot on except for a few minor technicalities. Heart-seek has always been able to Miss on creeps (same level) cuz of an inherent value similar to creeps being "above level." I assume this still holds true today.
For tactical skills: there have been certain tactical skills known to b/p/e when they shouldn't be. That was the case with defiler gourds for a long time. I think LM's improved sticky gourd was in the same boat but was recently changed to real tactical...miss or resist; none of the b/p/e bs. However, I have never heard or seen of frost lore being b/p/e or causing it to stun. And no, Splay does not count as a source of info cuz he clearly doesn't know half the mechanics to the game.
Frost Lore will never stun a target. Since Splay insists it can stun targets, please enlighten me so I can re-produce such a feat!
Here ya go splay! "Altering Sticky Gourd and Improved Sticky Gourd so that they cannot miss and cannot be evaded. This is in line with other Tactical Skills" http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Updat...Past,_Official It's not worded perfectly. The "in line with other tactical skills" is simply refering to cannot be evaded, not the miss part.
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Your attempts to dispute this have failed. They are just statements without proof.
Concerning the Hunter it was a PVE situation. When the HS missed I commented in my kins vent and several hunters at once said " That happens sometimes with HS. You cant rely on skill descriptions".
I only took a few minutes to find the sources of info I read. They were all from well known reliable publications online about Frost Lore. I find it hard to believe info less than 4 months old is incorrect. Instead of just trying to look smart on the forums,perhaps try and look into yourself.You may find you dont understand the mechanics as well as you think.
Askir sorry but that doesnt cut it. What that says in general is that recently they made a change to a skill that now falls in line with all other tactical skills. What it doesnt say is this. If one skill didnt fall in line,then it wise to assume that others also dont fall in line with the same thinking.
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Your attempts to dispute this have failed. They are just statements without proof.
Concerning the Hunter it was a PVE situation. When the HS missed I commented in my kins vent and several hunters at once said " That happens sometimes with HS. You cant rely on skill descriptions".
I only took a few minutes to find the sources of info I read. They were all from well known reliable publications online about Frost Lore. I find it hard to believe info less than 4 months old is incorrect. Instead of just trying to look smart on the forums,perhaps try and look into yourself.You may find you dont understand the mechanics as well as you think.
Askir sorry but that doesnt cut it. What that says in general is that recently they made a change to a skill that now falls in line with all other tactical skills. What it doesnt say is this. If one skill didnt fall in line,then it wise to assume that others also dont fall in line with the same thinking.
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Doesn't matter if it was PvE or not...if it was higher level it can miss.
I'm not sure on this part but I think dread could effect this as well.
Care to link these "well known reliable publications online about frost lore" I mean they did only take you a few minutes to find.
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Your attempts to dispute this have failed. They are just statements without proof.
Concerning the Hunter it was a PVE situation. When the HS missed I commented in my kins vent and several hunters at once said " That happens sometimes with HS. You cant rely on skill descriptions".
Considering how much you fail it's safe to assume your kinnies are just as bad. They didn't say WHY it happens with HS - we already gave you two reasons. 1. heart-seeker doesn't miss against on-level mobs in PvE and 2. it has always been able to miss against creeps, despite same level due to way creeps are made. Wanna know a 3rd reason it can miss on-level mobs? Having enough dread where it reduces the skill effect level by 1+.
Originally Posted by Christian.S
They were all from well known reliable publications online about Frost Lore. I find it hard to believe info less than 4 months old is incorrect. Instead of just trying to look smart on the forums,perhaps try and look into yourself.You may find you dont understand the mechanics as well as you think.
The lore-book is the least reliable information.
Originally Posted by Christian.S
Askir sorry but that doesnt cut it. What that says in general is that recently they made a change to a skill that now falls in line with all other tactical skills. What it doesnt say is this. If one skill didnt fall in line,then it wise to assume that others also dont fall in line with the same thinking.
Not sure how you think that skill stuns the targets it hits or can be b/p/e. You should try using it on an npc 1,000 times. Let me know when it stuns or gets b/p/e
I know iv jumped of bridges with MT up but that is also part of what im wanting to do sometimes, if i know 100% that im going to die with no way out ill jump with MT on or off just so some freeps will jump with me and give the other creeps grouped or not more of a chance to get away. An i have seen splay do this for me before also, so this screenshot will NEVER show if it was a mistake or to help people, or maybe a freep jumped with low morale and he cares more about the kill then the death?
And even if it was a mistake o well iv seen you make them to frizle does that mean i need to SS it and post it on fourms?
You may be good on your LM but that doesnt mean you will never make mistakes..
I know iv jumped of bridges with MT up but that is also part of what im wanting to do sometimes, if i know 100% that im going to die with no way out ill jump with MT on or off just so some freeps will jump with me and give the other creeps grouped or not more of a chance to get away. An i have seen splay do this for me before also, so this screenshot will NEVER show if it was a mistake or to help people, or maybe a freep jumped with low morale and he cares more about the kill then the death?
And even if it was a mistake o well iv seen you make them to frizle does that mean i need to SS it and post it on fourms?
You may be good on your LM but that doesnt mean you will never make mistakes..
This post was in response to Splay's reply in the freep tactics thread... that's why it has a SS + post... anyway, frost lore has it's uses as an 'aoe'... it's not like a BA never stance dances to maximize potential dps from range... and everyone makes mistakes... even Fizzle... hell he's high half the time, it's to be expected. Also, as you said, there are a few reasons why someone would jump off the bridge with MT up.
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Also, as you said, there are a few reasons why someone would jump off the bridge with MT up.
Its just more amusing for us to believe Splay doesn't learn from his mistakes which he doesn't even through this argument he hasn't defended his heavy full morale VT shots yet hes defended kbs from VTs and how we 'assume' there for kbs, i never assumed that, i just see it as the BA heart seeker if you like, there 'big hit' skill, but it is more devastating to a player if u hit them with less than 3/4 morale, cuz vting a guard with 12k morale is just stupid :P
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So I got to the bottom of all the posts in this thread and I'm truly dumber as a result....dumb enough in fact to bother writing this pointless response.
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So I got to the bottom of all the posts in this thread and I'm truly dumber as a result....dumb enough in fact to bother writing this pointless response.
3 Stars Rigs? What in the hell has happened to our once beloved server?
since frost lore is an AOE, you can't really judge it as a mistake. I know that I will often times throw debuffs at my target that aren't ment for it because I know its going to hit the creep next to it where I want it to go. Keeps me from having to change targets. Its partly lazyness but if the warg is gonna get hit with the frost lore anyway, even if I change targets, why switch them?
As far as my skills being B/P/E or just out right missing, I can't think of any off the top of my head but what I do see is them being resisted. Which are far more evil in my book.
Lastly this whole thread is Rigs and his 3 stars fault!
Looks closely, it has a lm, a hunter(with a bow out), and something else near the bridge holder. Plus something has died, looks like soin...solin, I'm also blind too on screenies lettering. Mhmmm.... Where is this one?
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Omg salloe... the pic is about splay with broken legs and MT on, MT = evade skill, broken legs = no B/P/E
= MT skill rendered useless, so hes still killable, and he always does this. So the SS is about how hes constantly doing it. Regardless of numbers, he still broke his legs and blew up his CD.
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Okay whateve's.... Now will people stop hiding at the door of the castle or on top.. I'm probably the only one on top of the ruins in mp, while tons of mini and hunters hang up there when it's blue. I even tell the BA's to hang up with me but they don't want to. In my opinion, you know why I am up there.. Explain that also!
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