Thread: Flayer has to go

Pureblood is freeping again?

No, nvm. Doesn't talk like an absolute boss.

4 years later and you foolish people still get trolled for days by moorwyn

-100000/10

Originally Posted by rojan99

this is exactly why creeps do not get many updates because you are unreasonable and refuse to cooperate when an adjustment is needed in the spirit of fair play.

Thread closed.

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I had a hardy LOL at this thread, especially this:

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Logic also dictates that an obese chef with a banjo cannot defeat a seven foot tall monster or a ravenous beast with huge teeth.

My former kinship and I just made one last attempt at hunting Flayer Wargs. We encountered a small pack outside of Tirith Rhaw and we were completely devastated. Only one warg was slain but my entire group was defeated. The only warg to die was in Shadow stance, all others were in Flayer. This is evidence that Flayer needs an adjustment for the sake of fair play.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

My former kinship and I just made one last attempt at hunting Flayer Wargs. We encountered a small pack outside of Tirith Rhaw and we were completely devastated. Only one warg was slain but my entire group was defeated. The only warg to die was in Shadow stance, all others were in Flayer. This is evidence that Flayer needs an adjustment for the sake of fair play.

This is evidence that a bad played group of Freeps that are used to easymode,can still be beaten!

Seriously id like to know who u are,if you are on Withywindle i am not surprised about what you said. We there are used to Freeps calling Creeps OP,had some say Defilers heal more then RKs and are harder to Kill as those.

And btw,didnt YOU close this Thread earlier? Make up your Mind good Sir.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

My former kinship and I just made one last attempt at hunting Flayer Wargs. We encountered a small pack outside of Tirith Rhaw and we were completely devastated. Only one warg was slain but my entire group was defeated. The only warg to die was in Shadow stance, all others were in Flayer. This is evidence that Flayer needs an adjustment for the sake of fair play.

Evidence? Evidence of nothing but poor team-play from your group. It might indicate that flayer wargs are strong - or that you just all targetted the shadow warg first... If you want to claim it as "evidence" you're gonna have to do a bit better than that... How many wargs, what was your group line-up and so on.


And may I say: If this is indeed a serious thread you my friend deserve a medal for providing some of the most hilarious QQ I've seen in ages. If you are just pretending then +rep for seeming so sincere.

I have decided to re-open the discussion. Thread is no longer locked.

The OP is either stupid or a troll. I think the 2nd option, but this thread is hilarious.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

The OP is either stupid or a troll. I think the 2nd option, but this thread is hilarious.

Ah, c'mon. We called Troll on this guy a couple pages back.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

My former kinship and I just made one last attempt at hunting Flayer Wargs. We encountered a small pack outside of Tirith Rhaw and we were completely devastated. Only one warg was slain but my entire group was defeated. The only warg to die was in Shadow stance, all others were in Flayer. This is evidence that Flayer needs an adjustment for the sake of fair play.

Screenshot, or it didn't happen.

Now. . . . I've decided to stop mocking you.

Thread closed.

*snickers*

Originally Posted by Stevo6

The OP is either stupid or a troll. I think the 2nd option, but this thread is hilarious.

You mean, you don't know who it is? 0.o

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Logic also dictates that an obese chef with a banjo cannot defeat a seven foot tall monster or a ravenous beast with huge teeth.

Lies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX968V8ez-A

Originally Posted by l4j

Screenshot, or it didn't happen.

As you can see my Kinship was destroyed in only five moves when attacked by the Flayer Wargs. We were actually just on our way to turn in quests at Tirith Rhaw, and we were ambushed by the Wargs. Even the Minstrel in our group was devastated in only a few moves. Flayer Wargs need adjusted in the spirit of fair play.

Orion I want to applaud you on your redesign of the Warg class however you do tend to go overboard at times. There is such a thing as overdoing it and I think the Flayer Warg is a prime example of what happens when we mean well but just overdo it. I would appreciate if you could take the time to review my requests and take into consideration the adjustment of the Flayer Warg to make them a more manageable opponent. Logically a heavy armored Warg needs a reduction in movement and attack speed, including the Sprint. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

Hunters have methods of improvement outside the Moors. It takes a very long time to get gear, get traits, get jewelry, get Legendary weps, get relics, get IXP, etc. It is a huge grind that very few PvPers are excited about undertaking. I did not sleep for 72 hours grinding for my Starlit Crystals.

Sorry, I didn't read all the posts in this thread.

However, I can tell you that the Ettenmoors is not for you if you think getting a good gear is all what you need to improve your fights.
Those freeps are called noobs and easymoders.

I know it's very hard to play a solo hunter in the moors, but I've seen some hunters kill flayer wargs in 1v1s. Learn how to play before complaining.

Originally Posted by Fingoras

Sorry, I didn't read all the posts in this thread.

However, I can tell you that the Ettenmoors is not for you if you think getting a good gear is all what you need to improve your fights.
Those freeps are called noobs and easymoders.

I know it's very hard to play a solo hunter in the moors, but I've seen some hunters kill flayer wargs in 1v1s. Learn how to play before complaining.

I have accepted my defeat to the Flayer Warg and stepped down from Kinship leader. I was just attempting to finish up all my Ettenmoors quests and my group was attacked by a Flayer Warg Pack. We were defeated in 5 moves.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I have accepted my defeat to the Flayer Warg and stepped down from Kinship leader. I was just attempting to finish up all my Ettenmoors quests and my group was attacked by a Flayer Warg Pack. We were defeated in 5 moves.

In that 'train wreck curiosity' mindframe, what was your group composition of classes and numbers?

Originally Posted by Rojan99

As you can see my Kinship was destroyed in only five moves when attacked by the Flayer Wargs. We were actually just on our way to turn in quests at Tirith Rhaw, and we were ambushed by the Wargs. Even the Minstrel in our group was devastated in only a few moves. Flayer Wargs need adjusted in the spirit of fair play.

that picture looks pretty similar to this one taken on E...

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...s-guide-to-pvp

Thread is now closed and locked.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

Thread is now closed and locked.

Well, it isn't....


Anyways, come to Gilrain and get some input from hunters there. Many Withywindlians joined us already, will you be next?

You're more than welcome, I'll be waiting with jaws open.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

As you can see my Kinship was destroyed in only five moves when attacked by the Flayer Wargs. We were actually just on our way to turn in quests at Tirith Rhaw, and we were ambushed by the Wargs. Even the Minstrel in our group was devastated in only a few moves. Flayer Wargs need adjusted in the spirit of fair play.

Artistic screenshot. But Bzzzzt! Sorry. Zero information. No damage data. No character data. No . . . nothing.

But it is a nice screenshot.

Originally Posted by mattg18

that picture looks pretty similar to this one taken on E...



http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...s-guide-to-pvp

Nice catch!

Originally Posted by mattg18

that picture looks pretty similar to this one taken on E...



http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...s-guide-to-pvp

Oh, nice! OP can't even find his own screenshots XD

Originally Posted by l4j

Yeah, but we don't even get Track until Rank 9, and then it's shorter ranged than a Freeps. Plus we don't get Stealth Track until rank 10, which we also have to trait for - and that's got an even shorter range. Longer cooldown on both too.

Since when does a warg need track to keep tabs on hunters? This point is completely irrelevant and you also managed to ignore my argument about how hunters shouldn't even be traiting improved track. Nice job.

Originally Posted by l4j

I'm just not sure whether I'm more annoyed, or disappointed, to see this thread: "I can't beat them. They need to be nerfed!"

I'm not sure whether I'm more annoyed or disappointed to see all these wargs taking the opportunity to harass this hunter instead of offering assistance.

"He says he has trouble against Flayer wargs? Forget asking his 1v1 tactics to help him. Troll him!"

Originally Posted by Rojan99

Flayer needs adjusted not nerfed. Reduce Sprint to 150% Speed. Reduce the number of active DoTs (5 is WAY too many). Reduce the Disarm Howl from 100% to 50% chance. Reduce the Armor value.A few minor adjustments to give Hunters a fair chance.

I disagree, respectfully.

Like I believe I mentioned earlier, Flayer wargs are the bane of hunters. It's not because of their armour or run/attack speed. It's not because of their disarm (you have a fear, don't you? Flayer wargs can't silence you). It's because of the dot that interrupts inductions every 4 seconds when applied.

However, this dot only has a 20% chance to be applied.

Originally Posted by l4j

Stop trying to get us nerfed because you don't know how to beat a Flayer stance Warg. Other Hunters can chew us up just fine, thank you.

Exactly. So stop being an arrogant idiot and give him some pointers, ffs.

Originally Posted by l4j

The game doesn't revolve around keeping you happy.

Actually it does. It revolves around making each individual player happy. He pays to play this game and deserves the right to being content with what he's paying for, just like you and I and everyone else.

Originally Posted by l4j

One class can beat you, and you whine about it. Evidently you can just cake walk the other 5 classes, right? So no need to nerf them too? One of us isn't EZ mode for you, and you cry for a nerf. As Squelcher said: predictable.

You need to calm down and stop making such a complete and ignorant fool of yourself. I've read your every post in this thread, and each one was bashing/trolling the OP in some way.

I think he understands that you don't want your class nerfed by now. You really only needed 1 post for that.

Originally Posted by l4j

Imagine if we asked you to give up your flaming arrows, DoT's, massive critical multipliers, multiple roots, fears, slows, etc? After all, it should be fair to us too, shouldn't it? No, of course not. What ever was I thinking?

He wasn't really asking you to give up any specific skills:

Originally Posted by Rojan99

Flayer needs adjusted not nerfed. Reduce Sprint to 150% Speed. Reduce the number of active DoTs (5 is WAY too many). Reduce the Disarm Howl from 100% to 50% chance. Reduce the Armor value. A few minor adjustments to give Hunters a fair chance.

And while I disagree with what he wants reduced above, he never said to nuke the stance altogether.

So, seriously, take a step back and go kill a hobbit in Hoarhallow or something. You're not offering any help or advice, you're just QQing about what you call QQ.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

The arrogance of the Wargs is astounding. You know you are OP, but are trying to avoid a fair adjustment for the sake of balance.

I play a warg as my main. I can justify other wargs reacting so violently towards your request to "adjusting" the Flayer stance. I will tell you once again that the stance does not need adjusting, you just need to learn how to combat it.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

A simple rank restriction can solve this issue in one update.

And since wargs like l4j above did not do anything for you besides QQ, let me offer my advice.

Don't trait for the improved track like l4j said you should. It's useless and you need all your traitslots to defend yourself against a warg.

Make sure you are using Needful Haste in close-combat situations and are traiting for Resolute Aim.

That being said, I don't know what your 1v1-tactics are and I don't know how you fight, so if you already do anything of this, just take it with a grain of salt.

Since you are having trouble with Flayer wargs, I am going to assume they are pouncing you and then hitting Flayer while you're stunned. I advise that when you break the stun, you hit Needful Haste (or IC + NH if you lack the correct amount of focus). The RA (resolute aim) trait makes it so that when you're using NH, your inductions are not set back by hits (but can still be interrupted). Mouseturn if you aren't already. Use your daze to get off ISB if you're having trouble getting off long inductions while turning. And, if you really need to, you have your Low Cut (50% slow) that you can use to get out of melee range and create distance between you and your opponent. Once you start kiting, hit Quick Shot (40% slow while in stength stance) to keep him/her slowed and at a distance while you kite.

And the only thing you can do to combat the 4sec interrupt dot (20% chance to apply, Brute bonus) is to really get lucky with your inductions or spam pen shot.

Haha well played Worgy, thanks for all the laughs. I believe I owe you some rep

Originally Posted by Rojan99

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Originally Posted by astalyn

stuff

You do know that this is a massive troll thread by worg right? (and all the other threads created by rohan99 XD)

You guys need a reality check. Obviously if you can't win every single fight with every class you engage something is wrong and needs to be changed so that one can win every single fight with every class they engage.

Duh!

Originally Posted by Daec

You guys need a reality check. Obviously if you can't win every single fight with every class you engage something is wrong and needs to be changed so that one can win every single fight with every class they engage.

Duh!

My kinship focuses on hunting Wargs. We train and trait with one goal : Destroy all Wargs. For my Hunter to fail 1 vs 1 against a Flayer Warg is unacceptable and I have stepped down as leader. However I am convinced it is not my lack of skills but a flaw in the overall design of the Flayer stance.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

My kinship focuses on hunting Wargs. We train and trait with one goal : Destroy all Wargs. For my Hunter to fail 1 vs 1 against a Flayer Warg is unacceptable and I have stepped down as leader. However I am convinced it is not my lack of skills but a flaw in the overall design of the Flayer stance.

If you QQ this much vs a Flayer Warg I can't wait to see your tears once you get insta killed by a Shadow one .

Beta's over - worg returns to weave his forum magic. Amusing thread, 9/10.

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/r...Beta/gw028.jpg

Originally Posted by Rojan99

My kinship focuses on hunting Wargs. We train and trait with one goal : Destroy all Wargs.

Sorry Pureblood, this statement just completely blows your cover.

Not a bad troll attempt overall, though.

Just lost a 1 vs 1 to a rank 2 Warg with Flayer.

Deleting Hunter and starting a Minstrel.

Delete reroll nub.

Oh the number of times I've heard that

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Pureblood, being a noob is not something that can be cured by creating a new character.

The only things that need nerfs are the people who plays cowardly with wargs... the class is just fine but I want to know your opinions about wargs who jumps people in 1v1 scenario and then hips when about to die, wait until morale is restored, jump you again and sprint, so you can never defeat them cause they care too much about their rating.

You can - and probally will - disagree with me, but hitting and running in a 1v1 is not pvp. Its so difficult to fight until the end in a 1v1?

And what do you think about wargs that only leave their keeps with some escape on cd even while raiding?




P.S: English is not my native language, so I apologize for the mistakes.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Leonardan

The only things that need nerfs are the people who plays cowardly with wargs... the class is just fine but I want to know your opinions about wargs who jumps people in 1v1 scenario and then hips when about to die, wait until morale is restored, jump you again and sprint, so you can never defeat them cause they care too much about their rating.

You can - and probally will - disagree with me, but hitting and running in a 1v1 is not pvp. Its so difficult to fight until the end in a 1v1?

And what do you think about wargs that only leave their keeps with some escape on cd even while raiding?




P.S: English is not my native language, so I apologize for the mistakes.

Thanks!

LOL!!!!!!

Then nerf the players on freepside with any kind of sprint (champs, wardens) who run away from battles instead of staying there and dying. Nerf players with bubbles (minis, champs, WLs) who pop bubbles so they don't die. Nerf players with skills like Dying rage or Last Stand. Nerf players who cheat the victors out of renown/infamy.

Better idea, nerf the moors and turn it into housing for freeps. Turn creeps into shop keepers who gain infamy thru price gouging and cheating their freep customers.

New Minstrel is now level 28.