Thread: Flayer has to go

The fact that a warden can self heal himself through agro of oc, 5-6 creeps and stay alive for quite some time.
The fact that minstrels take a good 40k of damage to kill (if they self heal) is op.
The fact that a warg has almost reached equal mits to say a captain(ballpark?) and loses a good majority of it's dps for a few lowbie dots isn't.

Flayer is annoying, anything that slows down my path of destruction in the moors is :P Hunters arn't a faceroll buttonsmash class like some are, it does take a bit of skill to spam pen shot and mouse rotate (mix in a few more skills)

If wargs really bother you, kite them, if they pop a sprint root them and pew pew your heart out, if you are as well geared as you say you are you should be doing 3-4k with an ISB, 1k with pen shot so even through flayer you should have no problem with them.

Should flayer be nerfed? No. Should you learn to adapt to fight it's weaknesses? Yes.

You may not take this seriously because my sig is an ez-moding facerolling roflstomping goatrising man healing coward who has an arsenal of skills that are op and op burgs rawr nurff.


Suck it up buttercup

If flayer has to go so do mini bubbles&self-heals, champ bubbles, rk self-heals, & warden self-heals. Wargs do less dps than all these classes(except maybe a blue warden)and are more squishy, even with flayer. Every time a creep class gets to be competitive and in the place it should be freeps cry. We aren't npc's you aren't supposed to be able to faceroll us like that pve stuff. And yet you do, and still cry while doing so. Go away.

Originally Posted by LEGOLAD

The fact that a warden can self heal himself through agro of oc, 5-6 creeps and stay alive for quite some time.
The fact that minstrels take a good 40k of damage to kill (if they self heal) is op.
The fact that a warg has almost reached equal mits to say a captain(ballpark?) and loses a good majority of it's dps for a few lowbie dots isn't.

Flayer is annoying, anything that slows down my path of destruction in the moors is :P Hunters arn't a faceroll buttonsmash class like some are, it does take a bit of skill to spam pen shot and mouse rotate (mix in a few more skills)

If wargs really bother you, kite them, if they pop a sprint root them and pew pew your heart out, if you are as well geared as you say you are you should be doing 3-4k with an ISB, 1k with pen shot so even through flayer you should have no problem with them.

Should flayer be nerfed? No. Should you learn to adapt to fight it's weaknesses? Yes.

You may not take this seriously because my sig is an ez-moding facerolling roflstomping goatrising man healing coward who has an arsenal of skills that are op and op burgs rawr nurff.


Suck it up buttercup

^ This. +Rep.

Originally Posted by Moejo

If flayer has to go so do mini bubbles&self-heals, champ bubbles, rk self-heals, & warden self-heals. Wargs do less dps than all these classes(except maybe a blue warden)and are more squishy, even with flayer. Every time a creep class gets to be competitive and in the place it should be freeps cry. We aren't npc's you aren't supposed to be able to faceroll us like that pve stuff. And yet you do, and still cry while doing so. Go away.

+Rep to this also. We are thinking individuals....not npcs....it is suppposed to be a greater challenge to defeat us than the npcs you can easily dispatch. As this posters says, any creep class that can kill a freep (or the freep mindlessly) it is considered op and a nerf is called for. I would gladly accept the removal or Flayer if Minis, Champs, Wardens, and Rk crits are nerfed, or we are brought up to that level. Otherwise, keep Flayer on wargs.....I have seen a few hunters on my server that can tango with Flayer wargs.....they are annoying, not invincible. Using a better strategy and a little brain power, im sure you can find a way to defeat them...especially if you are r10 lol.

For what i've seen in 8 months of pvp in snowbourn hunter job isn't too difficult, it's just a rotation :
Go hide somewhere in stealth (prolly a GY), put traps , spam tracks, one shot your target .

if you get tracked add to the rotation : exit and re-enter in stealth .

1 vs 1 is obv a different thing..

Somehow i can't shake the feeling this is the same person who was piszed (have to avoid the filter) in WW global yesterday because he was killed by two wargs. Yep, it's really annoying when you die in PvP :P

I am retired from PVP but here are the changes I believe need are needed to adjust the Flayer Warg to a more manageable opponent for the Hunter class:

Flayer Changes

-Reduce movement, run, and attack speed by 15%
-Reduce Sprint by 25%
-Reduce Armor Value by 25%
-Reduce AOE Disarm to a single target with 50% chance to apply

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I am retired from PVP but here are the changes I believe need are needed to adjust the Flayer Warg to a more manageable opponent for the Hunter class:

Flayer Changes

-Reduce movement, run, and attack speed by 15%
-Reduce Sprint by 25%
-Reduce Armor Value by 25%
-Reduce AOE Disarm to a single target with 50% chance to apply

Oh. We're going for manageability?

I got a lengthy list of freep classes and skills that need to be more manageable, not only for wargs, but creeps in general.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I am retired from PVP but here are the changes I believe need are needed to adjust the Flayer Warg to a more manageable opponent for the Hunter class:

Flayer Changes

-Reduce movement, run, and attack speed by 15%
-Reduce Sprint by 25%
-Reduce Armor Value by 25%
-Reduce AOE Disarm to a single target with 50% chance to apply

So you pretty much want zero challenge then?

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I am retired from PVP but here are the changes I believe need are needed to adjust the Flayer Warg to a more manageable opponent for the Hunter class:

Flayer Changes

-Reduce movement, run, and attack speed by 15%
-Reduce Sprint by 25%
-Reduce Armor Value by 25%
-Reduce AOE Disarm to a single target with 50% chance to apply

You've got to be kidding, this has to be a troll thread and you're doing this for the lulz.

No melee class should ever be forced to slow themselves, movement is key, it's the reason people use slows. How about no?
Sprint is fine as it is, if they're sprinting in flayer you can see them... Stun/root them... If you're mounted you can avoid them with some circles.
Reduce flayer amour, that defeated the purpose of the skill, making it harder to kill.
The disarm is not a big deal at all, it's the only thing cc wise that there isn't a huge advantage to freepside


Basically you want wargs to use a stance that would nerd them and severly hinder them, how bout no?


I propose that we give this guy a stance that lowers his run speed to 25% , gives each skill he has an 8 second introduction, and an passive trait that sends out a locator beacon to all the wargs in the area, until he learns that he has it fairly well in the moors as is.

Flayer doesnt need a nerf, hunters need a buff. I dont see the argument here.
Let me know when you solo as a hunter effectively. (and i dont mean sit at gv in stealth)

Edit: One thing I would like changed about flayers, is having the disarm just take away your main hand... not your main hand, ranged weapon, and shield

Originally Posted by WitchKingofAngmar

Try rolling a brand new creep and try to survive and let me know how that goes for you! Stop whining about our stances, that's the last that thing we need is another nerf!

Done. Ranked a warg to r5 solo/duo, before the buffs. Yes its hard to start a new creep, but not impossible.

Yeah, it was easier to rank before the buffs, but with the new system is even rough with trying to get Audacity (6k Comms) for each rank. But, my post was for the OP.

Snap also has a chance to apply Disarm as well.. (I haven't gotten the Flayer stance yet, since I'm only r7, so I'm not sure if one of the skills applies a disarm in Flayer stance.)

Originally Posted by Rojan99

Too much armor, too much morale,too much damage

Champs in a nutshell.

If you had to play WL my God you would have a nervous breakdown.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I have studied all the great War Masters , from Szun Tzu to Worgnakh, and if the Devs will not adjust Flayer Wargs then I must accept my defeat. I will now disband my Kinship and prepare for Seppuku.

And the winner is.....

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I have studied all the great War Masters , from Szun Tzu to Worgnakh, and if the Devs will not adjust Flayer Wargs then I must accept my defeat. I will now disband my Kinship and prepare for Seppuku.

You're one fat samurai. Worgnakh is terrible, so no wonder your doing bad lol.

Originally Posted by gageithman

Flayer doesnt need a nerf, hunters need a buff.

Hunters are fine the way they are. I don't know why people say they are bad now... Maybe just bad hunters on the server you guys are on idk.

Logic dictates that Shadow stance is the damage stance with increased attack speed and lesser armor. Flayer stance should be more armored with a penalty to movement speed. Shadow wargs give up the armor of Flayer so logically the Flayer should give up the speed of Shadow.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

Logic dictates that Shadow stance is the damage stance with increased attack speed and lesser armor. Flayer stance should be more armored with a penalty to movement speed. Shadow wargs give up the armor of Flayer so logically the Flayer should give up the speed of Shadow.

Logic also dictates that an obese chef with a banjo cannot defeat a seven foot tall monster or a ravenous beast with huge teeth.

Flayer is not that popular among wargs. Partly because few people have the rank for it or buy it from the store. But partly because it is not that great. Yes, flayer is nice to have for 1 vs 1 and SOME of the raid vs raid fights when one doesn't have the disappear cd and can't get out of combat to re-stealth. Otherwise, most of the wargs rely on ambushing, camping, picking off weak targets. Shadow is perfect for that. How do you imagine attacking a hunter in the back of a raid when in flayer? Also, flayer requires slotting it, which is a significant trade-off.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I have tried every possible attack strategy and battle plan to take down wargs in Flayer 1 vs 1 but cannot win. This stance needs adjusted or needs to be a rank 12 unlock and NEVER on the Store. I am boycotting Ettenmoors until this is fixed.

Rank 10 Hunter

All I am gonna say is.. QQ

Originally Posted by gageithman

Done. Ranked a warg to r5 solo/duo, before the buffs. Yes its hard to start a new creep, but not impossible.

I would argue it's significantly harder to rank one now, after the audacity update. It was a buff for high ranks, but a nerf for new creeps. I have 9 rank 6+ creeps, but I would hesitate to rank a new one now given the amount of time needed to make it competitive.

It remains the easiest creep class to rank, however.

Addressing the OP, every creep class has at least one freep build that will wreck it in 1v1 combat. Some, such as wargs, have escape skills to get away from a losing fight. But that is the case with many other classes. It's odd that you would complain specifically about one stance. Unless, of course, you are trolling for responses.

I have taken into consideration all points made in this thread and I have concluded that Flayer can remain unchanged but only as a Rank 12 achievement award.

Thread is now locked and closed.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I have taken into consideration all points made in this thread and I have concluded that Flayer can remain unchanged but only as a Rank 12 achievement award.

Thread is now locked and closed.

Can I have your stuff when you Seppuku?

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I have taken into consideration all points made in this thread and I have concluded that Flayer can remain unchanged but only as a Rank 12 achievement award.

Thread is now locked and closed.

Congratulations. Your troll thread managed 100+ replies.

I award you 5/10. Next time include more meme's and gifs, if I get a good laugh I'll increase your score.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by Rojan99

Logic dictates that Shadow stance is the damage stance with increased attack speed and lesser armor. Flayer stance should be more armored with a penalty to movement speed. Shadow wargs give up the armor of Flayer so logically the Flayer should give up the speed of Shadow.

"Shadow gives a boost to attack speed". Yes.
"Shadow gives more DPS". Yes

Your doing well...

"Flayer has less DPS". Yes
"Flayer needs to give up movement speed". Um.... Inferring that Shadow wargs have a movement speed boost?

Flayer forgoes the attack speed and damage of shadow.

Your class is fine your skill and perhaps your gear is lacking. You are also most cirtanly lacking in the most important thing for PvP:

The ability to accept a death or two, esp, when you get out played 1v1.

Originally Posted by Rainyman

I would argue it's significantly harder to rank one now, after the audacity update. It was a buff for high ranks, but a nerf for new creeps. I have 9 rank 6+ creeps, but I would hesitate to rank a new one now given the amount of time needed to make it competitive.

Not to derail but I agree with you, it was hard before as well ranking to get to rank 10 (took me 4 years at my pace). Then audacity got introduced and it neutered high ranks that didn't get it right away as freeps were getting it at the same time.

Now I find all the time and effort put into ranking my creep to 10 and feeling accomplished /more competitive while being an underdog through most of it completely taken away all over again. Who would want to return to that? Lame move...

On topic, hunters lose to wargs. Its dynamics of classes (ranged induction/standing still versus melee no induction) and has pretty much always been this way.

Originally Posted by ksjock

"Flayer needs to give up movement speed". Um.... Inferring that Shadow wargs have a movement speed boost?

25% attack speed buff with Shadow Maul

THREAD IS NOW LOCKED

Originally Posted by Rojan99

Both myself and the developers know

So you can lock threads now? What are you saying?

Originally Posted by Rojan99

25% attack speed buff with Shadow Maul

THREAD IS NOW LOCKED

Epic . . . just EPIC!

Let's see. 1st Post on a new account? Check!

Changing locales during the course of the thread? Check!

Epic levels of trolling? Check!

Indirectly claiming to have the powers of a Dev/GM/Admin? Check!

Well played. Well played.

Originally Posted by Felajarko

So you can lock threads now? What are you saying?

I am saying I do not wish to discuss this further. I have the authority to lock my own discussion. Feel free to create your own thread if you wish to continue debating this topic.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I am saying I do not wish to discuss this further. I have the authority to lock my own discussion. Feel free to create your own thread if you wish to continue debating this topic.

No, actually, you don't. You can stop replying to them, or ignore them, or ignore anyone who replies to them. But as a normal user, no, you do not have the authority to "lock" a thread. You're not a Moderator or Admin.

But then, you know that already, right?

Originally Posted by WitchKingofAngmar

Yeah, it was easier to rank before the buffs, but with the new system is even rough with trying to get Audacity (6k Comms) for each rank. But, my post was for the OP.

Snap also has a chance to apply Disarm as well.. (I haven't gotten the Flayer stance yet, since I'm only r7, so I'm not sure if one of the skills applies a disarm in Flayer stance.)

Only change is that Dire Howl (a 5 min CD skill I might add) becomes a 4 target aoe disarm instead of a silence

Originally Posted by Rojan99

25% attack speed buff with Shadow Maul

Which we obviously don't have in Flayer since we don't have Shadow Maul in flayer... meaning that we technically do have an attack speed debuff of 25%. There's the attack speed nerf you wanted.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I am saying I do not wish to discuss this further. I have the authority to lock my own discussion. Feel free to create your own thread if you wish to continue debating this topic.

And yet you keep responding and showing how little you know...

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I am saying I do not wish to discuss this further. I have the authority to lock my own discussion. Feel free to create your own thread if you wish to continue debating this topic.

I can still post!!


WHY YOU NO LOCK!!??

Revenge was nerfed, it is unfair cause thats the only change Turbine is capable to make towards the creeps: nerf. Everyone who voted for that nerf needs to l2p.

If you as a hunter cant kill a warg its your prob, new gear, new strats.

THREAD IS NOW LOCKED

Noooo, please don't! And it had just began being entertaining! I even stocked up on sacks of pop-corn for this amusing occasion....

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I am saying I do not wish to discuss this further. I have the authority to lock my own discussion. Feel free to create your own thread if you wish to continue debating this topic.

Stand back, everyone! He has the authority to lock his own discussion! You do realize authority is power handed down from someone actually in power?

And who is debating? We are mocking now.

Originally Posted by TheBor

Noooo, please don't! And it had just began being entertaining! I even stocked up on sacks of pop-corn for this amusing occasion....

I thought it was you he was crying about Paw, Specially as all the freeps on Withy love you. But then i realised it was just a troll.


Maybe the infamous one from Withy that shall remain nameless.

This is exactly why Creeps do not get many updates because you are unreasonable and refuse to cooperate when an adjustment is needed in the spirit of fair play.

Thread closed.

Originally Posted by Rojan99

This is exactly why Creeps do not get many updates because you are unreasonable and refuse to cooperate when an adjustment is needed in the spirit of fair play.

Thread closed.

This is why creeps can't have nice things......

Originally Posted by Rojan99

I have tried every possible attack strategy and battle plan to take down wargs in Flayer 1 vs 1 but cannot win. This stance needs adjusted or needs to be a rank 12 unlock and NEVER on the Store. I am boycotting Ettenmoors until this is fixed.

Rank 10 Hunter

dont expect to beat a warg ur a hunter! i can take down wargs in every stance on both my freeps. Hunters arent built to 1v1 tbh

A freep has spoken! Nerfs are coming now!

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Logic also dictates that an obese chef with a banjo cannot defeat a seven foot tall monster or a ravenous beast with huge teeth.

lmao. +rep