Criticises people playing godmode freep classes, but haughtily defends the imposition of equatable (going off your own post there) godmode to a creep class?
How darest thou compare a mini to a warg?!
Last time I checked, Wargs can't heal themselves while destroying the opposition with ease.
1) Our totally OP 5 dots that hit for a whopping 60 each?
2) The skill that has a 5 min CD? Ya, try telling a burg that HIPS only has a 50% chance to work, or maybe HS should have a 50% miss rate...
3) Our armor value that gives us just slightly more armor than a hunter (I have 9k with flayer, been told geared out hunters have 7k - 8k, correct me if I'm wrong).
4) Flayer does nothing for our moral...
5) Flayer does not increase our damage (if anything, it decreases our spike damage)
6) The addition of 1 knockdown (giving us a total of 3, 2 guaranteed on 5 min CDs and 1 a chance) gives us too many? Go talk to an LM...
7) According to you, you have full audacity, so that's only a 5 second knockdown (assuming you have no DR, less if you do), get your facts right
8) I'd rather have 110% in combat run speed and 115% - 121% out of combat run speed than 200% for 20 seconds on a 5 min CD (btw, sry if sprint stops your nooby kiting....)
The problem is that you want to nerf one of the strongest creep classes to the level of the weakest freep class based on the fact that YOU can't beat them in a 1v1. Ask other hunters how to play b/c they can beat wargs in flayer.
1) So thats 300/tick all in all
2) Just wait on TA stairs till its off, at least you have the choice
3) You are correct a Light armoured Warg has 1k more Armour than a Hunter with Medium armour (see where that is wrong)
6) Why how many knockdowns does an LM have ?/ and there cc is negated by Audacity and pots.
8) Bet you wouldn`t, 110% incombat run speed does not enable you to escape a fight gone wrong, so as a Hunter i`d rather have 200% run speed with the cd.
And no I dont want to nerf Warg, just some of your points are fairly murky, Wargs kill me all the time, as do experienced Reavers and good BA`s, but for the sake of the game Creeps need some love and OP`ness. I think certain Freep Classes need a PvP nerf and Hunter certainly needs a viable `&&&& ruuuun` skill. Also Medium Armour needs sorting out.
Just my thoughts, as I said I dont believe Creeps need a nerf, just Hunter needs something.
His complaint about the store is pretty absurd. Leveling and gearing a Freep takes about a week if you're serious and it is EASY. Without the store Creep is hellish beyond belief. We're talking about a side...where you could only buy your r1 skin...at rank 5 minimum....provided you bought nothing else at all with your comms. And at the same time...you can't earn any Comms because you are utter canon fodder and need Comms...to get the skills and traits needed...to earn Comms. It is a Catch-22.
OP should really figure out PvP relics and macros, his life will be much easier afterwards. That or continue crying. Or roll a Warden or something.
Yeah but we all agree that Audacity is a stupid thing and that lwo rank creeps have it hard especially since audacity and the removement of DP bought buffs and skills.
PvP Relics? Unless they added new ones they are &&&&. I guess you are talking about being able to kite your way through a fight with a warg especially flayer? That is not useful at all. Now if a Warg has the 1minute slow immunity on him he will be faster than you anyway, you can not kite somebody faster than you. If you can slow him and you remove your slow there still is a problem and that is the dots as well as sprint, now runnig to a distance to get a skill off with 1-3 dots on you is foolish as well every delay in combat is futile. He is still damaging you while you are not damaging your opponent.
Now honestly flayer would not be a problem at all if you could just bloody only use it. But there are only Wargs out there pouncing from stealth switching to flayer and if needed dropping it and vanish away, therefore getting the best of both. This is the most stupid thing Orion ever implemented. Once in combat you should not be able to change these stances. Oor even better, if you do apply the CD to all affected skills. Flayer is supposed to be the non-stealth stance, right now it isn't.
Also advocating using macros to enhace your "skill" is not an argument at all. What if your opponents use them as well? It is like saying buy a second account and Multi-Box your way to solo ingenuity. Games should not be relying on buying a G19 and saving a whole lot of rotations on the keys just to get an edge. That is no reasoning.
Of course the whole thread is overreacting yet I see a point. And the point is that hunters specifically suffer more than other classes from the recent PvP changes. That is how it goes and no player is to blame, yet somebody needs to look at the needs of classes in PvP and develop things that way. There are a heck of a lot of balanced solutions out in these forums especially the hunter's. ZC might just as well drop skills like HS and Camouflage if I only get my bloody improved campfire and the fastening up of my stupidly long animations.
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It's people like you who ruin the moors. Can't win a 1v1 against a creep so come to the forums and complain. Now Turbine will probably nerf flayer, like they did with revenge.
Revenge was OP.. sorry but BAs are fine and didn't need that to win. With explosive arrow, and three skills ignoring 30% of mits and steadfast on the move .. and ... and.. yeah they will be fine.
Vyxe said, "Cheer up it could be worse out here tonight." So we all cheered up, and wouldn't you know it.... things got worse!
Haha, the OP doesn't use his siggy...I wonder why, I would be interested in seeing his War Tab. Better get ready cuz the new changes coming are going to make all the creeps harder. With that said, sounds like you should be grouping instead of trying to solo, at least you might have a chance of killing something. A BA, even a low rank one should be able to destroy you with CDs. I dont see you crying about that, wargs are obviously using their CDs, so what's the difference? At any rate, its not meant to be fair, I have seen RKs heal themselves through multiple creeps attacking them including wargs using bubbles and still not going down. I think things are at a good place right now except for the zerging that is taking place. I hope that the new changes will at least reduce zerging and will increase the amount of open field combat....you should be able to at least pick something off. Stop thinking like an ezmoder, and dont turn your back :P
I don't know if flayer is necessarily OP, but it is definitely the flavor of the month it seems. On guard I can typically beat most flayer wargs as long as they aren't r10+, and if they are then expect me to burn CDs.
I rather fight a hunter in Shadow stance than Flayer, just to get off more damage and option to Dissapear and Pounce. But, that's only the play-style of that particular warg. Probably popping, Fear and Stun/Mez pot.
Revenge was OP.. sorry but BAs are fine and didn't need that to win. With explosive arrow, and three skills ignoring 30% of mits and steadfast on the move .. and ... and.. yeah they will be fine.
No...no they won't. They need a DPS increase at Lv85 if they want to compete.
In the sea without lees standeth the Bird of Hermes. When all his feathers be from him gone, He standeth still here as a stone.
Here is now both white and red, And all so the stone to quicken the dead
The Bird of Hermes is my name, Eating my wings to make me tame.
And what do you know about Flayer at rank 6? Unless you are a Store-Warg ? I did not purchase my Hunter on the Store. I grinded my blood sweat and tears for months to unlock the weapons and skills I possess. You however were able to make a few clicks at the Store and *magically* became an armored tank with a 10-second knockdown and an AOE Disarm.
Also your hunter has every skill when enter to pvmp ,and you dont need to grind with !5! skillto earn more skill so plz shut up, and dont blame the skill buyng creeps without that they have not any chance.(and yes before f2p update i won many times with my defiler without store skills at r5, now i cant do that coz creep damage is ridiculos compared to freep damage.... what you think how long can survive a blackarrow against an burgular in etten set????)
(No skill -> No win -> no infamy + commendation-> no skill... etc. so think again noone want to be a sitting target unable to do anything for freeps)
Ignoring all troll posts especially from a Minstrel who can faceroll 3 opponents at once. Try Ettenmoors as a Hunter.
Why does everyone keep saying that? It's getting really old...
Stop whining, dude, and look at the bigger picture. Truth is, a Minstrel without audacity will be destroyed by a decent Warg in 10 seconds. Stuns, bleeds, silence, interrupts.... My minstrel has maxed mitgations, both physical and tactical, I slot as much resistance as I can when I go to the Moors and still I can't resist that. We are not 'OP' by default, we have to grind the gear as much as anyone else and learn the techniques as much as everyone else.
Can't beat a good Warg? Tough luck, neither can I.
Get the gear, rethink your strategy, revise what you're doing wrong; maybe you'll have a chance.
Please realize that the OP is not a troll. He is simply a not-so-bright hunter who is QQing a lot. If he was trolling, he'd have written this just to anger people, and would not be experiencing butthurt.
Ineligible for troll rating.
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No...no they won't. They need a DPS increase at Lv85 if they want to compete.
I would presume things are becoming more balanced with RoR.
Just an fyi, never expect a BA to come close to the current damage capabilities of a hunter. I don't think I need to tell you why, because of this picture.
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Why does everyone keep saying that? It's getting really old...
It's not old because minstrels who do as such are not old yet. In fact, probably only becoming more common at this stage in the game.
I agree, flayer has to go. It just denied me a kill in an open field 9v1 that I would have had a 100% win rate to otherwise.
I would presume things are becoming more balanced with RoR.
...you must be new.
In the sea without lees standeth the Bird of Hermes. When all his feathers be from him gone, He standeth still here as a stone.
Here is now both white and red, And all so the stone to quicken the dead
The Bird of Hermes is my name, Eating my wings to make me tame.
Please realize that the OP is not a troll. He is simply a not-so-bright hunter who is QQing a lot. If he was trolling, he'd have written this just to anger people, and would not be experiencing butthurt.
Ineligible for troll rating.
I have heard that people can, in fact, lie on the internet. I don't think it is true though.
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I have heard that people can, in fact, lie on the internet. I don't think it is true though.
From my experience most people who QQ about Wargs are genuinely QQing, not trolling. But if this is in fact a troll thread, then I must say, very well done
Making people believe you: 3/4
Making me reply: 1/1
Quality of troll: 3/5
Total score: 7/10.
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With that said, sounds like you should be grouping instead of trying to solo, at least you might have a chance of killing something. A BA, even a low rank one should be able to destroy you with CDs. I dont see you crying about that, wargs are obviously using their CDs, so what's the difference? At any rate, its not meant to be fair, I have seen RKs heal themselves through multiple creeps attacking them including wargs using bubbles and still not going down. I think things are at a good place right now except for the zerging that is taking place. I hope that the new changes will at least reduce zerging and will increase the amount of open field combat....you should be able to at least pick something off. Stop thinking like an ezmoder, and dont turn your back :P
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Also your hunter has every skill when enter to pvmp ,and you dont need to grind with !5! skillto earn more skill so plz shut up, and dont blame the skill buyng creeps without that they have not any chance.(and yes before f2p update i won many times with my defiler without store skills at r5, now i cant do that coz creep damage is ridiculos compared to freep damage.... what you think how long can survive a blackarrow against an burgular in etten set????)
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