Thread: Let me get this right. £50 for no Golden Hall, no Helms Deep, no Edoras...

Originally Posted by Cazthelm

“The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be”

Marcel Pagnol

Wow, that quote is really awesome because I find it applies in so many places...

Anyways yeah, definitely no major lore stuff in this xpac. Just half the land of the Horselords, the site where the Fellowship was broken, two REALLY big statues depicting Gondor at its height, and part of what is probably the oldest forest in Middle-earth. Which has Ents in it.

Nothing of interest there what-so-ever.

Originally Posted by Axrat

It seems to me that Turbine expect me to pay £50 UK for what looks like nothing at all.. I am right in assuming this update does not contain Edoras or Helms Deep or indeed any area of genuine interest?

Why on Gods earth would I pay for this load of rubbish and how many more "areas" can Turbine dream up before we get to some proper Tolkien content again?

You're paying for this piece, and all the free areas after. The cost is amortized across all of their development. What you see if just a slice of what is happening behind the scenes, which, yes, does include some people putting some of your money in their pocket. It is a business after all.

Originally Posted by Eclair1024

Agreed. There are people I know that beat Diablo 3, at all difficulty levels, in just a few days. And it cost them $60. I've gotten a lot more milage from LOTRO expansion packs, even RoI, then they'll ever get from D3 (IMO) And I paid less.

That's interesting considering the first person in the world to complete it at all difficulty levels only did it yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18532670

Either your friends are telling porkies, or you are.

Originally Posted by monteeburns

That's interesting considering the first person in the world to complete it at all difficulty levels only did it yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18532670

Either your friends are telling porkies, or you are.

Which is pointeless. You should never considerer a new level of difficulty as «more content». D3 takes a couple of hours to complete -see the graphics, the quest, loot, level a toon-. After that, it's either redoing the same history with a more powerful toon or with a new toon. The same facking little quest line with the same npc, the same story, the same land. But with stronger mobs. LOL.

D3 costed me 60$ for about 12h (max) of quality gaming. After that it's just loot hunt on the same tiny, tiny, tiny questline.
ROR costed me 70$ and I expect 1000x the fun. Just getting one toon to 85 will probbaly take more time than finishing D3. With an enormous landmass to explore*.

(And btw a kin just cleared all of TOO last week or so, just thats a heck more than blizzard money-trap game)

And yes ROI was kinda terrible. Turbine kinda needs to do better with ROR in terms of storyline and content.

*on a side note, I consider MOM the best gaming purchase I've ever made. That place is deseign masterpiece. 20$ for that? Bring it on.

Originally Posted by Leonide

Which is pointeless. You should never considerer a new level of difficulty as «more content». D3 takes a couple of hours to complete -see the graphics, the quest, loot, level a toon-. After that, it's either redoing the same history with a more powerful toon or with a new toon. The same facking little quest line with the same npc, the same story, the same land. But with stronger mobs. LOL.

I agree, I didn't buy it for that very reason. But if some people get more gaming hours ( enjoyable gaming hours ) out of higher difficulty settings regardless of the quests being the same, then to them it is as good as more content. I played Goldeneye on the N64 years ago and it had several difficulty levels ( all the same maps ), and enjoyed each time more than the first purely for the challenge, because the difficulty step up on each was absolutely spot on. It was a one off for me though, I generally don't enjoy repetition but some people seem to thrive on the challenge.

Originally Posted by Leonide

And yes ROI was kinda terrible. Turbine kinda needs to do better with ROR in terms of storyline and content.

*on a side note, I consider MOM the best gaming purchase I've ever made. That place is deseign masterpiece. 20$ for that? Bring it on.

Well said. MoM was about the best gaming purchase I've made, with the exception of Half life 1.

Originally Posted by ETSubmariner

You're paying for this piece, and all the free areas after.

If you're paying for something that comes later it isn't free, it's just deferred.

Although I'm looking forward to Riders of Rohan I'm disappointed about missing Edoras, Helm's deep. Because for many people Rohan means Edoras and Helm's deep. Turbine is good at making side-story areas but now we have Dunlendings everywhere. I don't remember them much from books/movie but they are in Eregion, Enedwaith, Dunland and Dunlendings invaders should be in Rohan as well.

I don't understand why they don't rather make other more famous areas and places in detail..
I would welcome RoI includes just half of Dundelings and more of Farngorn forest and Isengard itself. I was disappointed when I reached Isengard vale, area surrounding the tower was too small with just few quests..
I would welcome that at least Edoras should be included in Riders of Rohan.
What I see now in RoR
http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/2118-r...f-rohan-region
There will be just small part of Farngorn forest in Riders of Rohan and there will be bigger focus on some not-very-well-know areas..

Originally Posted by Cazthelm

[B]“The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be”

Actually this is called 'reallife-experience'. Its not just hard to be happy, its completly unrealistic. If the reality was something to enjoy we wouldnt need games, sex or drugs to make being in existence worthwhile ...

For most people 'being worthwhile' can only be massured by the amount of money they spend ... wich directly relates to Turbines 'newly achieved' business model.

Unless they uproot and move Edoras and Helm's Deep to the eastern half of Rohan then it makes sense that we won't see it yet. Personally I like them where they are and can wait until we get there to see them.

And it appears Rohan will take three sections, not just two. There will still be a big slice south of the Entwash that borders the White Mountains.

I'm glad to see that so many people are showing their support, especially in topics such as these. I for one think the Riddermark is going to be fantastic. Edoras and Helm's deep may be the 'iconic' places, but you must not forget that these places are heavily imbedded in the Rohirrim-culture. Give the developers some time to flesh it all out. Do not forget that Isengard too is such an iconic place, perhaps even more than Edoras itself. If there is not a decent enough backdrop to support those places, they will inevitably fail the produce the effect you might anticipate. Moreover, this expansion will boast eleven(?) towns/settlements at least.

I was a little disappointed when I found out we aren't really getting any of those major landmarks but then again I'm partially happy about it simply because that just means there's more for me to enjoy in the future.

Originally Posted by shann81

Although I'm looking forward to Riders of Rohan I'm disappointed about missing Edoras, Helm's deep. Because for many people Rohan means Edoras and Helm's deep. Turbine is good at making side-story areas but now we have Dunlendings everywhere. I don't remember them much from books/movie but they are in Eregion, Enedwaith, Dunland and Dunlendings invaders should be in Rohan as well.

I don't understand why they don't rather make other more famous areas and places in detail..
I would welcome RoI includes just half of Dundelings and more of Farngorn forest and Isengard itself. I was disappointed when I reached Isengard vale, area surrounding the tower was too small with just few quests..
I would welcome that at least Edoras should be included in Riders of Rohan.
What I see now in RoR
http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/2118-r...f-rohan-region
There will be just small part of Farngorn forest in Riders of Rohan and there will be bigger focus on some not-very-well-know areas..

You do realize that /in the books/ there is more action and story developement inside ROR(east rohan) area than Western Rohan, right? Actually, RoR will cover 7 chapters, where Western Rohan is only 5 chapters.

You guys really need to stop taking Jackson's movies for cash.
(And btw, there will be no elf company at helms deep, sorry guys)

Originally Posted by Wanderv

ignorant trolling is so ignorant.

Genuine locations\content: Argonath, Amon Hen, Fangorn.

Don't forget Nen Hithoel, Tol Brandir, and the Falls of Rauros.




Rip

Originally Posted by Leonide

You do realize that /in the books/ there is more action and story developement inside ROR(east rohan) area than Western Rohan, right? Actually, RoR will cover 7 chapters, where Western Rohan is only 5 chapters.

You guys really need to stop taking Jackson's movies for cash.
(And btw, there will be no elf company at helms deep, sorry guys)

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I don't judge the book/story because of chapter number. I read the LOTR books many years ago and for me the most epic of Rohan was Edoras, Helm's deep (however short the battle was in book). The point is when I saw title Riders of ROHAN I remember mainly those places so don't be surprised that I'm a little dissappointed.
I checked the chapters of my book and you're right that Riders of Rohan expansion covers first half of Two Towers (book III) but for me this is still not (THAT) Rohan.. :-) This all arguing is based on word ROHAN.
I Just wonder what will be name of next expansion.. I guess it should be Fall of Isengard / Saruman's fall where I finally see the whole Rohan..

Originally Posted by shann81

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I checked the chapters of my book and you're right that Riders of Rohan expansion covers first half of Two Towers (book III) but for me this is still not (THAT) Rohan.. :-) This all arguing is based on word ROHAN.
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Well, I understand.
But still, how it will be «Rohan» depends heavely on how Turbine will handle the handful of book-content RoR covers.

(BTW, not only it covers 5 chapters of the Two Towers, but also the last 2 chapters of the Fellowship of the Rings)

Interesting topic.

I think you'll find that Rohan is indeed big, however the value as noted '2 x Moria' is far far away. Four fresh classes and four character slots? I doubt the area can match Moria either, unless a lot of it is underground - the mines have eleventy highly detailed separate areas, I'm looking forward to seeing double that.

I don't want four new classes nor do I need four character slots, but if we're talking game content value, then Moria will be hard to surpass. Why would it even start to compare?

I think the price would be reasonable, if it went to the game. As is, it's a big corp where Turbine is but a small cog. This cash is unlikely to end up in future game content but it might mean the game stays alive as a business center of WBs.

Originally Posted by Celebrawn

Unless they uproot and move Edoras and Helm's Deep to the eastern half of Rohan then it makes sense that we won't see it yet. Personally I like them where they are and can wait until we get there to see them.

And it appears Rohan will take three sections, not just two. There will still be a big slice south of the Entwash that borders the White Mountains.

That's Anorien, and part of Gondor. I expect they'll use it as a bridging area into Gondor, once they get around to that. The Beacons should be nice story anchors.

Originally Posted by Macroscian

Interesting topic.

I think you'll find that Rohan is indeed big, however the value as noted '2 x Moria' is far far away...

I'm pretty sure that RoR won't beat Moria in content. Landscape could be huge but you can cross it quickly with horse. (Try to get from A to B in Moria and avoid mobs, obstacles, platforms..)
However.. I'm very interested in mounted combat and I saw some older developers videos that they are trying to present big numerous battles playable etc. Mounted raid would be awesome! :-) For me it's worth that 40$ (but not 70$!).
I don't expect new class in future but I would like to progress my character at least with new legendary traits and one legendary slot! What we know now we will have horse to be upgraded but you will use its skill only on few special areas..

Originally Posted by Axrat

./insert loads of whining here/
Why on Gods earth would I pay for this load of rubbish and how many more "areas" can Turbine dream up before we get to some proper Tolkien content again?

...I have played this game since beta five years ago...

Why bother people with this nonsense whine post?
Please contact Turbine or WB directly with your concerns!

And wow you must be so good played for 5 years ***huzzzahhh***
Can lotro really manage without you?

WB has decided that it will be profitable to release a small expansion every year rather than a full fledged, honest expansion every two years.

Turbine does want to do all the regions of middle-earth including Harad, Rhun, Forodwaith and much more but making all of Rohan at once would be to big they already said that Eastern Rohan will be bigger than Moria sides im kind of happy they are not rushing in once they do Helms deep Rohan would be over and most likely Gondor will be next.