Thread: Great game but one MAJOR disappointment

I set a character and i can play the game regularly with free, but there is one thing that has gone too far. COIN CAPS! Money is what keeps the player well balanced in a game and when you are stuck on a low level you are just kicking players out of the game. If it's just ONE thing that needs to be changed, why pay 10$ dollars. No, it will just lead people to quit the game until it's fixed or just forget about.

Half rant, but still: Really fun game besides coin cap

The TP required is not that much, a couple of toons to lvl 20 and then fill in deeds and you have enough to remove the cap plus

The coin cap for free players is there partially to deter gold sellers.

The cap is easily lifted by using TP or by going VIP for a month.

Hope you get past this and enjoy the game.

I'm sorry, but if you really think that the game is so good that there is only one little thing wrong with it (which can easily be removed), why would you not be prepared to pay $10 to support it?

Originally Posted by Unique

The coin cap for free players is there partially to deter gold sellers.

The cap is easily lifted by using TP or by going VIP for a month.

Hope you get past this and enjoy the game.

Are you saying that paying for 1 month will permanently eliminate the gold cap?

Originally Posted by Celebrianna

Are you saying that paying for 1 month will permanently eliminate the gold cap?

If you go VIP for any length of time (with a month being the shortest period), any character you
log in with during that time gets the gold cap removed, unlocks the 4th & 5th inventory bag,
unlocks swift travel, and unlocks all the trait slots. These remain unlocked for those characters
when you return to Premium.

Originally Posted by mjk47

I'm sorry, but if you really think that the game is so good that there is only one little thing wrong with it (which can easily be removed), why would you not be prepared to pay $10 to support it?

I got this game because it's "FREE TO PLAY" So I'm not going to pay money for it

Originally Posted by cheesefalcon

I got this game because it's "FREE TO PLAY" So I'm not going to pay money for it

There are very few mmo's out, if any that are entirely free to play. If a game such as lotro was entirely free to play, how could they afford to keep 20+ servers running, pay their staff, develop more content, etc..?

I'm new to LOTRO as well but not MMO's and I've found that this game is very different than many others in a sense that it allows you to basically get everything you want for free if you're willing to put enough time into grinding turbine points , which is extremely generous of them IMO.

Originally Posted by cheesefalcon

I got this game because it's "FREE TO PLAY" So I'm not going to pay money for it

Yes it's free to play but the game needs money for new features and other things. You don't have to pay a single cent for any of the features in game. Most of the features (including game areas [quests], expansions, traits, coin cap, mailing money, auction house) will be blocked. NOW, before you go off and be turned off by the game, you can earn in-game Turbine Points (for free) by doing deeds, which can involve some simple ones as just exploring two places (in Lonelands), to killing 30 (or 60 or 90 or 100 or more) of a particular creature. Also by doing certain attacks x amount of times you can also earn Turbine Points (TP) for free, if you don't want to pay for it. You can also buy it, or become VIP.

Those TP are account wide, which means it's shared between your characters. If you make two characters, and do a few deeds here and there, by level 20-25 you should have enough TP to get the riding skill for 95 TP (which you'll want, I assure you) and then you can buy the Currency Cap for 395 TP. The currency cap is good for your ENTIRE account. The riding skill is just for one character. Honestly getting about 500 TP (which just to reiterate, is FREE to earn) should take no more than two weeks of average playing with a few hours of grinding to finish your deeds.

To recap: The game is Free to Play, but there will be many limitations to it. Nearly all the limitations can be removed by buying them with TP in the store in-game. You can earn TP through the game without spending any real life money. The ways to earn TP are described above.

To recap: The game is Free to Play, but there will be many limitations to it. Nearly all the limitations can be removed by buying them with TP in the store in-game. You can earn TP through the game without spending any real life money. The ways to earn TP are described above.[/QUOTE]

Yes I do want horses but I'm either saving for another bag or elimination of gold limit through deeds (Excruciating). Also I looked for premium and it costed from $15-30! That is way too much just for one month, instead that should just unlock everything. Why not add a "donate" box on the front log in, and if you donate you get a perk, but overall it helps mostly the designers. If they hit a good amount they'll take some limitations away, but they don't and they just make you buy all this. (at high prices)

(also I am referring to your whole text, but it was too much)

Originally Posted by cheesefalcon

Yes I do want horses but I'm either saving for another bag or elimination of gold limit through deeds (Excruciating). Also I looked for premium and it costed from $15-30! That is way too much just for one month, instead that should just unlock everything. Why not add a "donate" box on the front log in, and if you donate you get a perk, but overall it helps mostly the designers. If they hit a good amount they'll take some limitations away, but they don't and they just make you buy all this. (at high prices)

(also I am referring to your whole text, but it was too much)

Not sure where you get the $30 figure from. It is $15 1 month at a time, and cheaper if you sign up for multiple months.

Think of it this way: how much would you spend to go to a 2 hour movie? $9 - $10 for a regular ticket, and more for the popcorn and drink! for 2 hours.
With this, you have virtually unlimited access for 1 month, and it has a lasting impact on how you play the game from that point until the servers close.
It also affects all toons currently created, and all toons created during that period.
Not a bad deal, really.

(Keep in mind as you progress that you still need to buy expansions like we all did, such as Moria and Isengard)

Originally Posted by cheesefalcon

Yes I do want horses but I'm either saving for another bag or elimination of gold limit through deeds (Excruciating). Also I looked for premium and it costed from $15-30! That is way too much just for one month, instead that should just unlock everything. Why not add a "donate" box on the front log in, and if you donate you get a perk, but overall it helps mostly the designers. If they hit a good amount they'll take some limitations away, but they don't and they just make you buy all this. (at high prices)

(also I am referring to your whole text, but it was too much)

15-30 dollars? For premium? That's wrong. I'm going to try to break it down for you.

You are a Free to Play player at the moment, the game is free, you haven't bought or paid for anything.

If you spend money in the Turbine Store, you get upgraded from Free to Play (F2P) to Premium. Now you can spend as little as 8 dollars in the store and be upgraded to Premium. That's what I did. I paid 8 dollars to buy 600 TP and I became a premium member.

NOW there are technically "2" types of Premium. There is the F2P -> Premium
OR the F2P -> VIP and once you stop your VIP account you downgrade from VIP -> Premium.
The difference between the Premiums is that if you upgrade from F2P to Premium, you WILL NOT get: the currency cap unlock, the swift travel unlock, the virtues/traits unlock, or receive the fourth and fifth bags.
IF you downgrade from VIP to Premium, you keep all the things that I stated above.

We now established the differences between the premiums. Now the thing about paying. VIP is obviously the much better choice, as you keep all the things I stated. Now to be VIP for ONE month is $15 dollars. So if you buy VIP every month, and you pay every month, you will be paying $15 dollars. If you buy VIP three months together, you will pay $30 dollars every three months. So it comes out to $10 dollars a months. Buying it three months at a time is the cheaper option IF you intend on keeping your subscription.

Once again to recap: There are two different kinds of Premium. Premium upgrade is not as good as downgrading from VIP to premium. However upgrading to Premium is cheaper (as cheap as $8) than buying VIP. VIP is a much better choice overall, you get to keep a lot of things. There are two different ways buy VIP, either $15 per month, every month OR $30 every three months.

If you want to get the best of everything. Buy VIP for just one month. That's what I intend to do. Cheers.
This chart might help. http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Premium

The game can be free if you so choose, there are enough people in the game who have played to level cap with all the unlocks to show that it is feasible to do so.

To play as f2p you will have to learn how to grind TP, as listed above; the "cost" of f2p is your time. Essentially, you can choose how you want to pay for the game, with your time or with some money or a combination; the mix of time vs money is up to you.

Originally Posted by mjk47

I'm sorry, but if you really think that the game is so good that there is only one little thing wrong with it (which can easily be removed), why would you not be prepared to pay $10 to support it?

That was the first thing I thought - ok well it was the second, the first would get me banned but your point is well made.

+rep

I understand that OP's frustration over the issue, but understand this game is Freemium, and in order to actually level up to 75, you have to purchase quest packs which will actually cost you a lot of TP in total. If you truly do love LOTRO, and if you truly do you want to continue playing, then you are truly devoted to investing your in real life money into Turbine Points which can be used to purchase quest packs. But, at the end of the day, those quest packs unlock for all characters and it will pay off.

Think of it this way, LOTRO is Free-to-Play, but Pay-to-Progress.

LoTRO is free to play, but not free to be effective. Sorry.

Free to play is a much over used term. In most cases it means free to demo. But in lotro free to play means free to play, are you not playing? Have you spent any money? Then it is free to play.
Every free to play game of any quality; this excludes those cheapy throw together browser games, has a money hook. Some mean pay to win, some mean pay to finish, some mean pay to do anything but look. This is probably the freest to play free to play games there is.
A game I had been a beta test for was release to the open beta as "free to play". Yes, your first car was free, you could race it on any of the tracks for free, anything more then that will cost you. It was free to play in only the most literal sense of the term. Want a different car? paint that car? decal that car? put fancy rims on that car? $$$ You do get another car every 5 levels, but of the 6 you get by the time hit the 40th level cap {which can be hit in a week or less}, 3 of them are the worst cars in the game; you know the ones they could never sell, or would have boat loads of complaints if they did.

I didn't spend any money on this till after I had a horse, had removed the gold cap, and was to the north downs; which is a paid for quest area. You can still ride through, do the tasks, use the crafting hall, but you don't get quests till you have bought the quest pack. Most of the lands are like this, you can play though and do the tasks, but quests wont be available.

Originally Posted by cheesefalcon

I got this game because it's "FREE TO PLAY" So I'm not going to pay money for it

And, you are playing the portion of the game you get to play for free ... so stop complaining. If you want some or all of the extra stuff available in the game - the part that is not "free" - you need to pony up with either TPs (which you can earn for free BTW) or good old cash. In case you are unaware, nothing in life is truly free ...

You don't really need gold in this game except to pay for your skills at your trainer and to repair when needed.

If I remember correctly the caps is 2 gold, which in my opinion is quite a lot. You just need to think about how you spend your money...

I imagine if the gold spammers who created endless F2P accounts had no gold cap, the chat channels would be jammed with spammers and Turbine would be deluged with demands that they be stopped and the forums would be full of moaning threads about gold spammers. Simple solution, put a gold cap on free accounts. If someone is actually playing that account, they easily can do deeds to remove the gold cap. Deeds are not punishment, btw. Deeds are actually beneficial. If you aren't doing them, your character will be gimped going forward, so there is no hardship to doing deeds.

Is it a problem

1: Yes it is.

2: Can it be fixed?

3: Go deeding

Yes I know deeding can be a pain, I even did it just to get a few stuff I wanted and I'm a subscriber :P

Should it be free?, idk but with it being easy to remove I don't see it as a full-time problem.

Originally Posted by CharlesRollinsWare

And, you are playing the portion of the game you get to play for free ... so stop complaining. If you want some or all of the extra stuff available in the game - the part that is not "free" - you need to pony up with either TPs (which you can earn for free BTW) or good old cash. In case you are unaware, nothing in life is truly free ...

Mmm... True but keep in mind, this game is becoming more & more P2P or P2W. You need look no further than the store and you'll see my point.
Unlike b4 back in the glory days, we didn't have so much advertising regarding buying pots! or say new and fancy steeds.

Originally Posted by GalateaOrea

I imagine if the gold spammers who created endless F2P accounts had no gold cap, the chat channels would be jammed with spammers and Turbine would be deluged with demands that they be stopped and the forums would be full of moaning threads about gold spammers. Simple solution, put a gold cap on free accounts. If someone is actually playing that account, they easily can do deeds to remove the gold cap. Deeds are not punishment, btw. Deeds are actually beneficial. If you aren't doing them, your character will be gimped going forward, so there is no hardship to doing deeds.

Too true. But change "would be" to "were". We went through a disastrous period where gold sellers were spamming in Bree every 10 seconds. Then they'd get banned and pop up a new one a few minutes later. Even after they implemented an easy way to report spammers, you couldn't report and /ignore them fast enough. It's so very very nice to not have to deal with that anymore! If having a gold cap for free accounts helps keep gold sellers under control, I would never ever want to see the cap raised.

Besides, TP is pretty easy to come by in the game, even if you don't purchase any with real $$. You may not earn enough to have lots of frills like shared storage and cosmetics, but you'll easily earn enough to purchase quest packs and unlocks for gold, bags, virtues, etc.

OP, I understand your frustration. Free to Play is exactly why I took a look at LOTRO to begin with. After having spent too much money on previous mmorpg's, I was attracted by the: 1) Similarity to those previous games 2) The fact that it brought to (gaming) life one of the greatest fantasy stories ever told 3) It said it was Free to Play.

The game is free to play and, as I understand it, other games (including those previous games that I've played) are switching over to a free to play formula. So, it would be a lot simpler if you just looked at the F2P system as the new "30 Day Free Trial" system.

In effect, if you're into punishing yourself, you actually CAN play this game for free in every aspect, never spending a real world dime. But, in doing so, you will most likely get sick of the game and stop playing.

Personally, even though the F2P system seemed like a great idea to me at first, I now realize that it is nothing more than an advertising tool. They basically changed the concept of the "30 Day Free Trial".

As a previous poster commented, if you really enjoy the game then why wouldn't you support it with a $10.00 a month subscription? Considering that most other games charge $15.00 a month, it's not that bad. And, being that we are all gamers, have we not spent the monthly fee every month for games in the past?

Unlike those games, however, you have the opportunity to play this game for free in it's entirety. The difficulty level of that is purposely done to create subscribers, because let's face it - Not only does Turbine need to make money to keep this game expanding, but nothing is ever really Free.

I made the decision after two weeks of playing to subscribe because I could easily see that I was headed to becoming a subscriber anyway; Just as the F2P system intended for me (and anyone else) to do.

Once you accept that F2P is nothing more than a tool to draw in new gamers and you release that frustration, this game becomes one of the best you'll ever play. Outside of the game, the LOTRO community is second to none. I don't post a lot, but I do read a lot. The LOTRO experience doesn't stop once you log off, as I'm sure you've noticed from all the responses to your post.

Personally, I urge you to spend the 10 bucks if you find that grinding for TP just doesn't suit you. It's not something you'll regret.

Another really smart idea is to take advantage of the middle-costed pre-order of Rise of Rohan. You'll get 1,000tp, a whole bunch of quest packs at a cheap price, and, of course, the expansion itself.

That's assuming you think you're going to continue playing to the level cap. I took a good few months before I realised that I was making a rod for my own back, and sucked up, paid for a bunch of TP and went premium. Since then, I've accumulated and bought all the quest packs when they've been on sale (saving literally hundreds of tp with a bit of patience), and spent relatively little money - certainly a lot less than if I'd been subscribed to another MMO for the same length of time.

Turbine's got some money out of me - and now I subscribe (mostly for sake of ease, and to access all the skirmishes and instances - which I really like), so they're definitely getting money out of me.

I don't mind. It took me a while to realise I love this game, but they gave me all the time I needed to work that out, without costing me a penny. My advice: keep playing, and if you love it, paying for it won't be much of a chore - or at least no more of a chore than investing money in any other hobby.

In 5 years in WoW I spent about $1000 in monthly subscriptions. This is absolutely crazy when you think about it. The biggest problem is when you enter a different phase of your life (new baby, new job, new girlfriend/boyfriend) and that you spent a minimal time playing, you still pay that subscription. After a while I dropped WoW, when I realised I was paying for the luxury of getting gears in instances.... that was simply obsolete and replaced everytime a new dungeon was out.

I tried LOTRO for that exact same reason: no monthly fees, so I can spent time there anyway I want, and I can SELECT where I will put my money, if any. Buying a on-sale expansion pack+ points+perks is the greatest way to do that, i.e. get 3 characters to around 20 (Steam Starter pack $20 on sale soon with extra zones, account wide mount, and a account wide token for 25% extra XP +1000 points), get VIP one month at level 20 (15$) to unlock horse riding skill to all character to use that mount from the starter pack +500 points, 2 more bags, unlock zones etc.

Then I plan to get the Moria expansion eventually, that I will buy with the 1500 points mentionned above, when it is on sale.

So so far, I'm talking about $35....? Compared to Wow... geez.

Originally Posted by cheesefalcon

I got this game because it's "FREE TO PLAY" So I'm not going to pay money for it

I'm going to pop in here for a moment.

What Turbine does with it's points while F2P (IMO) is an extremely generous model. Many games which are F2P gives you no other alternative to get things outside of a membership fee or shelling out cash. Turbine gives you an alternative by doing stuff one would normally do in game to get those points to unlock things.

Granted it might not be a ton, and you might have to make a few characters to do it, but I like it as a F2Per.

Originally Posted by cheesefalcon

I got this game because it's "FREE TO PLAY" So I'm not going to pay money for it

In that case, accept the limitations that go with that decision. if everyone took the same view, the game would cease to exist.

You pays your money (or not), and you takes your choice.

And that is what it is - your choice.

maybe this will help the gamestop mithril edition is only 9.99 right now it is a boxed set of the game comes with a bunch of quest packs and 2000 TP that is a huge bargian and you even get a mount it is slow but still a mount http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/the...-edition/97978

all you guys say this game has one of the best f2p formats clearly have no idea whats going on in the f2p world right now......there are tons of f2p games on the market right now that let u jump in and enjoy every bit of the content in the game from lvl 1 to cap without putting a single pennie in to it.....there are even game the went f2p from a subscription bass like (AION) were u get every bit of the game.....let me say that again (every bit) of the game content for free...game shop is in place there for cosmetics just like in every f2p platform........now this is not a bash party on LOTR i love the game and cant really say anything on there take of f2p its seems to be working for them im just saying that there are other f2p games out there that really are f2p and not (free to join and buy to stay long term) anywho this is the way ic it...iv played prob almost every f2p game out so this not by any means an opinion any questions on the f2p market......i direct you to go to (MMOHUT.com) to check out the hundreds of f2p game listed there and see for your self.....ty for your and im sorry if i ruffled any feathers here

Originally Posted by ject707

all you guys say this game has one of the best f2p formats clearly have no idea whats going on in the f2p world right now......there are tons of f2p games on the market right now that let u jump in and enjoy every bit of the content in the game from lvl 1 to cap without putting a single pennie in to it.....there are even game the went f2p from a subscription bass like (AION) were u get every bit of the game.....let me say that again (every bit) of the game content for free...game shop is in place there for cosmetics just like in every f2p platform........now this is not a bash party on LOTR i love the game and cant really say anything on there take of f2p its seems to be working for them im just saying that there are other f2p games out there that really are f2p and not (free to join and buy to stay long term) anywho this is the way ic it...iv played prob almost every f2p game out so this not by any means an opinion any questions on the f2p market......i direct you to go to (MMOHUT.com) to check out the hundreds of f2p game listed there and see for your self.....ty for your and im sorry if i ruffled any feathers here

Ok, would you please name just a few F2P games that are a) as big as comparable to LotRO and b) allow playing everything for free as you claim?

Since from the big games i can name - WoW and SW:TOR allows free play only up to level 20. AoC severely limits what races/classes you can play, Everquest sets you on a special server you cant change even if you later subscribe. As for Aion like there was said, you should really read, what it allows for F2P to do and what it limits to Premium snad Gold-members (from FAQ, Gold-memeber status doenst make you premium after subscription ends, you revert to F2P) http://www.aionfreetoplay.com/website/featuresdetails/

Plus no one of these allows you earn money ingame to buy off the F2P penalties.

Originally Posted by Hatter_of_Bree

Ok, would you please name just a few F2P games that are a) as big as comparable to LotRO and b) allow playing everything for free as you claim?

Since from the big games i can name - WoW and SW:TOR allows free play only up to level 20. AoC severely limits what races/classes you can play, Everquest sets you on a special server you cant change even if you later subscribe. As for Aion like there was said, you should really read, what it allows for F2P to do and what it limits to Premium snad Gold-members (from FAQ, Gold-memeber status doenst make you premium after subscription ends, you revert to F2P) http://www.aionfreetoplay.com/website/featuresdetails/

Plus no one of these allows you earn money ingame to buy off the F2P penalties.

ok well (AION) to be one and i dont know what that garbage link is but its not the f2p format for (AION) http://truly-free.aiononline.com/truly-free/index.php and lets see if we can name a few more that has way better f2p set up...how about (forsaken world) you can make in game gold the 2nd currency type that allows you to purchase there cash shop currency in game...yes u can do this by sinple doing daily quest.....how about (Lineage 2) another Ncsoft game just as much content as LOTR hmm...and (Allods online) by gpotato anything in there cash shop can bought via the ingame auction house with the ingame gold you just have to quest/grind for gold even with all this ingame stuff u need to do with these game to get there cash shop stuff.... guess whats not in the cash shop............(CONTENT) (CONTENT)you cant really be free to play if you have to pay to keep playing but thats off topic....so there you have these are just a few f2p game in this vast sea of f2p game.....check out the correct f2p market plz if ur gonna question my post....ty for the time

Originally Posted by ject707

ok well (AION) to be one and i dont know what that garbage link is but its not the f2p format for (AION) http://truly-free.aiononline.com/truly-free/index.php and lets see if we can name a few more that has way better f2p set up...how about (forsaken world) you can make in game gold the 2nd currency type that allows you to purchase there cash shop currency in game...yes u can do this by sinple doing daily quest.....how about (Lineage 2) another Ncsoft game just as much content as LOTR hmm...and (Allods online) by gpotato anything in there cash shop can bought via the ingame auction house with the ingame gold you just have to quest/grind for gold even with all this ingame stuff u need to do with these game to get there cash shop stuff.... guess whats not in the cash shop............(CONTENT) (CONTENT)you cant really be free to play if you have to pay to keep playing but thats off topic....so there you have these are just a few f2p game in this vast sea of f2p game.....check out the correct f2p market plz if ur gonna question my post....ty for the time

Ok, seems, there are two AION F2P sites, i guess, i was looking at older one. May give your link a check-up, thanks. Since some of my friends player if while it was sub-game, i had wanted to check it.

About the Allods Online, i have bad business experiences with GPotato company so far ( first, they managed to delete most of my characters when they did lots of server merges and consolidations before for their FlyForFun game - ok i had left them for a year alone, while playing LotRO, but still, i lost most of my Cashshop stuff this way... , second, they also discontionued another game i was playing without a prior notice due loosing rights to distribute it to other company, so i wont call their prior gaming record a splendid example). They also had constant goldseller problems in their games FlyFf and Rappelz, and FlyFF still has these.

Originally Posted by Hatter_of_Bree

Ok, seems, there are two AION F2P sites, i guess, i was looking at older one. May give your link a check-up, thanks. Since some of my friends player if while it was sub-game, i had wanted to check it.

About the Allods Online, i have bad business experiences with GPotato company so far ( first, they managed to delete most of my characters when they did lots of server merges and consolidations before for their FlyForFun game - ok i had left them for a year alone, while playing LotRO, but still, i lost most of my Cashshop stuff this way... , second, they also discontionued another game i was playing without a prior notice due loosing rights to distribute it to other company, so i wont call their prior gaming record a splendid example). They also had constant goldseller problems in their games FlyFf and Rappelz, and FlyFF still has these.

Right i would surely give Aion a try if you haven't played its well worth the time and as i said its completely free....And you are very right with the gpot statement they are not very reliable but that is a bit off my topic point.......so let me make this clear...I played LOTRO on launch day i played it for about 5 months before i went back to WOW i think its a great game my point was that it has an awful f2p system perhaps one of the worst next to EQ2 and Conan.....hopefully one day they will truly go free to play so more people can get a good look at what a wonderful game this is....my point to the T...sorry if im spamming the forum ill stop now.....ty all for your time

Originally Posted by cheesefalcon

I got this game because it's "FREE TO PLAY" So I'm not going to pay money for it

Well stated. By the way, I know an Argentinian that is FTP that has two level 75 characters (he couldn't buy TP if he wanted to), paid off gold cap, has horses, quest lines and interesting instances to play--all free. He grinds a lot of TP, but if you want FREE, that's what you'll have to do. Free-to-play doesn't mean "all perks are free", that's just not economically feasible. Even so, you really can have fun seeing how far you can take this game without putting out a dime. Other games won't let you get nearly as far for free or give you the chance to grind your way to the higher regions.

Wonder if people would be upset if I laughed at all this?

No game of any quality is "free to play". They all have money hooks. Ether they are free to play to the level cap; that can usually be reached in a few hours. Or they are pay to win; the best items in game are $ so it's do it the hard way and die a lot or cough up some cash. Or free to play through, but $ to play fully; like LOTRO.

Comparing LOTRO's F2P to WOW's F2P is a no brainier. WOW's F2P is a level cap, you can reach it in a day then you are done. LOTRO's F2P lets you play free up to the end, you just can't play fully, you can't quest off the main path. And guess what? LOTRO has included a way to buy things in game with out spending any real money. So if you don't mind grinding for TP you can play the entire game for free; unless you are one of those lazy types that would rather gripe about having spend money to buy quest packs, then going out and earning the TP for them.

WOW's F2P worked for me. Convinced me I want no part of that midevil steampunk chaos. Full of rude people with absolutely no sense, and children with out a clue.

Note: I spent over 200 TP on this game before I spent dime one on it. Since then I have probably earned another 1400 in TP. When the quest packs were half price that would have bought most of them.

Originally Posted by ject707

Right i would surely give Aion a try if you haven't played its well worth the time and as i said its completely free....And you are very right with the gpot statement they are not very reliable but that is a bit off my topic point.......so let me make this clear...I played LOTRO on launch day i played it for about 5 months before i went back to WOW i think its a great game my point was that it has an awful f2p system perhaps one of the worst next to EQ2 and Conan.....hopefully one day they will truly go free to play so more people can get a good look at what a wonderful game this is....my point to the T...sorry if im spamming the forum ill stop now.....ty all for your time

So how does Aion make money?

I am glad to pay for a product with a good cost-quality-balance.

Case closed.

Originally Posted by GalateaOrea

I imagine if the gold spammers who created endless F2P accounts had no gold cap, the chat channels would be jammed with spammers and Turbine would be deluged with demands that they be stopped and the forums would be full of moaning threads about gold spammers. Simple solution, put a gold cap on free accounts. If someone is actually playing that account, they easily can do deeds to remove the gold cap. Deeds are not punishment, btw. Deeds are actually beneficial. If you aren't doing them, your character will be gimped going forward, so there is no hardship to doing deeds.

I LOVE the gold cap because of these reasons. And I love that TPs are un-tradable. Best Design Decisions Eveh.

It's actually fairly easy to earn enough TPs while playing to buy content packs. I think the FtP/Freemium system on LOTRO is the best I've seen.

Originally Posted by Diggis

So how does Aion make money?

After looking at the site, pay to win probably. Not doing another swtor, killing a day downloading something I play for a couple of hours then uninstall. If this is the game I think I played a while back it's grind or buy boosts. No company puts up an MMO and pays for development and maintenance out of pocket.