There are so many currently unfavorable aspects of the game that women seem to be taking a leading role in mitigating. For example, the griefing, stalking, and general poor conduct of some players toward others that is the bane of any MMO and can be (and usually is) applied to either gender or any sexual proclivity.
It just seems to me that women, in general (at least here in LOTRO), seem to be a bit more proactive when it comes to these problems.
My perception could be totally wrong about this. Any thoughts?
I don't know, I also see a great many mature, thoughtful, well-spoken men contributing to forum threads on those types of topics (at least I assume they are men when they refer to wives and girlfriends--I probably shouldn't automatically do that). I'm not really sure that one can say if any one particular group is leading the charge. But it is nice to see that women have a strong voice here and that the voices of all players tend to be respected, with some unfortunate exceptions.
On the contrary, I believe everyone should strive to make a welcoming environment and if someone feels uncomfortable in a situation, the situation should change as is reasonable, not the person be made to leave and feel excluded.
A problem I see, not just here in games but in a lot of other areas, is that people don't do anything about it. Some females won't speak up because they know they'll just encourage a bunch of cat calls and more insults, but a lot of males won't speak up if they don't even recognize that something wrong was said or done, and other males won't speak up because they don't feel it's their place to do so. Saying "we're going to r*** them in the moors" should be considerered flat out unacceptable; even if these are just ignorant school kids I think people should still call them on it instead of letting it go. Yes we'll always have a handful of die hard haters out there but it's better to have them off as a small knot of unrespected players instead of being the cool funny guys.
I find the opposite thing is true. When guys find out a player is female they usually bend over backward to be nice to her. Actually it's a bit annoying that even if you're a guy just playing a female toon other guys assume you might need help. It's not shunning, it's patronizing that bothers me.
It's not shunning, it's patronizing that bothers me.
I've found that this happens far more to me in RL than it does in any games I play!
When I first started gaming, attitudes were very different compared to now and female gamers were less common and I found it inadvisable to admit I was female. But that has changed dramatically and I see far fewer issues related to gender.
A world without men would be horrible and terrible to live in (speaking as a woman). Women tend to judge each other much harsher than men judge women, especially when it comes to looks, clothes, jobs, behaviour and what not.
Just think about it. Every woman who've asked their partner about how what they're wearing looks like, can tell that the male partner usually says "You look nice/beautiful/good". But it's the sisters who find all the faults and bring up all the flaws
There's is a general consensus (studies etc) that women dress up to impress women, and only sometimes dress up to impress guys. We can get a guy interested in us pretty much no matter what we do. But to receive the approval of fellow women, now that's another story.
You get this totally wrong. If there wouldnt be men women wouldnt need to see themself in competeion to each other. Dont you understand that your whole selfperception and perception of the role of the women in genral is totally manipulated by the superficial way men want 'there' women to be ?
Opinions like yours are absolutly shoking. Everything you think you know about yourself is in reality a male point of view.
Originally Posted by djheydt
They are doing a very old (older than humanity) male social primate thing. Right now they are young and have no status in particular. It's the elders who have the status. Someday they want to be able to challenge the elders and acquire status themselves; in the meantime they are (a) practicing on each other and (b) establishing the pecking order in their own generation.
I understand that among chimpanzees and their cousins, even if a male has succeeded in beating up the alpha male and taking his place in the hierarchy, he still has to win the approval of the senior females.
Maybe your daughters, though they are by definition not senior females yet, could occasionally say, "You guys are acting like jerks; tone it down or I'm going home"?
Stop comparing 'us' two a bunch of wild animals like chimpanzees! That is very insulting. I will not report your post but hope you will choose your words more careful in the future !
Most often women are unable to recognize an act of kindness NOT as an act of weakness.
You get this totally wrong. If there wouldnt be men women wouldnt need to see themself in competeion to each other. Dont you understand that your whole selfperception and perception of the role of the women in genral is totally manipulated by the superficial way men want 'there' women to be ?
Opinions like yours are absolutly shoking. Everything you think you know about yourself is in reality a male point of view.
While I can't speak for the poster of the comment you are trying to debunk, generally, no. The faulty reasoning here is that all women do is bent on pleasing the male folk, everything in their life revolves around finding a partner, and that there can be no other sort of competition among the same gender. But pushing someone who is (by all appearances) a self-determined person back into such a defensive position, that is what I call shocking. Are you StarryP? No? Then don't assume to tell them what they know about themselves.
Stop comparing 'us' two a bunch of wild animals like chimpanzees! That is very insulting. I will not report your post but hope you will choose your words more careful in the future !
I know replying to this got me reported before, bastardoGrande, so I'll try to word it differently this time, because I truly do not mean offense, though I'm refusing to be shut up like that. djheydt was talking about something called evolution. It's your choice not to believe in it, but please don't go around calling others insulting because they adhere to a very well-documented and conclusive theory. In that theory humans are primates, whose ancestry split from the chimpanzee's predecessors around 7 million years back. Not long by evolutionary standards, certainly not long enough to allow our genetic markup to diverge more than 2% from contemporary chimpanzees and bonobos. Hence, behavioural similarities are quite inevitable and not insulting at all. In that theory. Okay?
No one is debating Evolutionary Theory. But you appear to be espousing something known as Evolutionary Psychology, which has been thoroughly debunked by the academic community. Thankfully, we have evolved past our primate relatives regarding how we make our mating decisions.
No one is debating Evolutionary Theory. But you appear to be espousing something known as Evolutionary Psychology, which has been thoroughly debunked by the academic community. Thankfully, we have evolved past our primate relatives regarding how we make our mating decisions.
I'm familiar with the nice adage that Evo-Psych is make-believe, and while I'm no longer as up-to-date to the discussion as I'd like to be, I do not generally believe that any behaviour is so hard-wired into our genes that it's impossible to break out, nor (imho, as a layperson's opinion in this field) that we are still at the assumed behavioural stage our ancestors were displaying a long, long time ago. There is such a thing as adaptability. I don't doubt that there are behavioural similarities (not uniformities, goodness forbid!) based on genetics, but to put gendered behaviour and discourse down to that only... in short, nope. That wasn't the impression I got from djheydt's post, either.
I will, however, agree that my above post was incredibly simplified and apparently worded badly in order to prove a point - I did take bastardoGrande/hitm's issue to be less with the behaviour question, but rather with the human-ape comparison (mostly based on a post that is now deleted), and reacted accordingly. Sorry about that, and thank you for poking. +rep.
Good morning ladies and gentlemen Sadly I still have given too much rep to be able to +rep all the posts in this thread that deserve it. Alas, I shall keep trying!
And to the poster who appears to be re-posting deleted posts under a name that we haven't seen before in this thread, I would like to note the following in the Community Guidelines:
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The discussion that followed the reposting was interesting and civilised (darn those rep limits!), but that post should not have been reintroduced to this thread in the first place. Hopefully it will be taken care of.
Wow. Who knew posting a thread sortve aimed at laughing at the cliches of female gamers and sortve to gather a few opinions on the matter would lead to all this discussion!
*Pats self on the back*
Lots of interesting points here... keep them coming, if you so wish!
Off topic question for you girls. Why do you insist on dragging us guys to see a chick flick? My wife drives me nuts with that. Just picture Nymphonic checking his watch every 30 seconds.
You know, I can't help ya there, it's my husband who watches the " chick flicks " usually. at least the ones he chooses doesn't make me want to super glue my eyes shut
LOTRO in my experience has one of the most accepting communities out there; both my wife and Daughter play, they are very well known on my server and yes people know that they are female in real life.
On Landroval though jerks, trolls, racist, homophobes and sexist seem to just disappear usually in mid sentence.
LOTRO in my experience has one of the most accepting communities out there; both my wife and Daughter play, they are very well known on my server and yes people know that they are female in real life.
On Landroval though jerks, trolls, racist, homophobes and sexist seem to just disappear usually in mid sentence.
Cool!
More characters for the character counter, these are not the characters you're looking for, move along......
I have been playing MMO's for many years. I have seen aall the different items discussed here from favouring of female toons to insulting behavior. The worst was consistantly on Korean grind games. But in all the years I have played I have never had a female character. I have never understood the reasoning behind men having female toons. To me the pixels of a female back or a male have such a tiny difference in many of the games. Some of the games did have everything falling out of the females outfits but you never saw your own toons assets anyway unless you were trying to. I just don't get the argument that looking at a female character is more entertaining. If someone could enlighten me I would appreciate it I even have some cosmetic dresses that have been festival drops hoping someday I can gift them to female toons.
I just don't get the argument that looking at a female character is more entertaining.
That's really not the reason men play female characters. Sure some people say that's the reason (and they often say it in a rude way) but I suspect that's a minority, and these seems to be the ones that look at you funny if you've got a female hobbit (or gnome in other games). However there are many reasons to do this, and there are already many threads that keep popping up here about why.
- role playing
- male characters can sometimes just look stupid (ie, the human males in WoW are just painful to look at, male elves here stand funny).
- variety. Ie, I've got all nine classes, three females, three males, and 3 dwarves (one of which is female, one I'm not sure about). Sometimes you get tired of male captains/minstrels shouting all the time and switch over to female shouts to get a change of pace.
The main reason though I think is that a lot of people just aren't freaked out about it. It's just a character, not a lifestyle, not a secret desire to be more feminine in real life, not a way to fool people. It was just a choice during character creation and we chose it. Flip the coins and roll the dice.
(I could not play female elementalist in GW, it was indeed too bizarre to be playing someone adventuring in a negligee. It is nice that female characters in this game are realistic.)
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(I could not play female elementalist in GW, it was indeed too bizarre to be playing someone adventuring in a negligee. It is nice that female characters in this game are realistic.)
And wear clothes. Even if you strip us down to our underwear, that is quite modest. (Except for the flaming red-and-gold colour schemes. Really, Turbine!)
But in all the years I have played I have never had a female character. I have never understood the reasoning behind men having female toons.
2 reasons for me.
First is cosmetic appearance. I mean that in a non sexual way. Girls are just prettier than us guys. Also, I always liked the outfits for girl toons ever since I started playing Ultima Online in 1999. And LOTRO has some really nice looking outfits. So, it has nothing to do with me wanting to look at my toon's rear end or anything like that.
And second, like I said one or two pages earlier in this thread, I've always been a big fan of female heroes. Mostly because they are smaller like me physically and rely more on brains than brawn. Even when I was going to Japanese Kata competition back in the 90's I always watched the women' division because of the grace they had.(I can tell you from fighting full contact when I was younger, girls hit just as hard and fast as guys do) Probably my 2nd favorite book series is the Honor Harrington series. (The Lensman Series by EE Doc Smith is my favorite).
I hope that answers your question.
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Civ II rules after all these years......
And wear clothes. Even if you strip us down to our underwear, that is quite modest. (Except for the flaming red-and-gold colour schemes. Really, Turbine!)
You know, since April 2007 I have not seen any toons in their underwear, including mine. I did not know about the color. I'm, gonna check that out when I get home from work.
Don't tell anyone that I'm on the forums at work!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
You know, since April 2007 I have not seen any toons in their underwear, including mine. I did not know about the color. I'm, gonna check that out when I get home from work.
Don't tell anyone that I'm on the forums at work!
Whom would I tell? I don't even know where you are in RL, let alone who you work for.
Sometimes, when selecting a character from the character screen, I see her/him in underwear for like one second before the clothes appear. I guess the system has to read the character (with permanently attached underwear) and the clothing from different lists.
Now, back in AC2, my (female) main wore no underwear but a loincloth. But she was a Tonk, covered in fur, and had no visible mammaries.
The female Lugians also had no visible mammaries, and at release wore no upper-body underwear either. But they were a lot more humanoid than Tonk, and at some point SOMEbody must've complained, because with an early patch all female Lugians got these little bikini tops added to their underwear. Silly, I calls it.
Whom would I tell? I don't even know where you are in RL, let alone who you work for.
Sometimes, when selecting a character from the character screen, I see her/him in underwear for like one second before the clothes appear. I guess the system has to read the character (with permanently attached underwear) and the clothing from different lists.
Now, back in AC2, my (female) main wore no underwear but a loincloth. But she was a Tonk, covered in fur, and had no visible mammaries.
The female Lugians also had no visible mammaries, and at release wore no upper-body underwear either. But they were a lot more humanoid than Tonk, and at some point SOMEbody must've complained, because with an early patch all female Lugians got these little bikini tops added to their underwear. Silly, I calls it.
This reminds me - during the spring festival I was having a bad case of lag in the festival areas, especially the Duillond garden and the hedge maze, even during off hours, and a friend gave me the tip to strip the toon to her underwear - which helped somewhat. I got some friendly teasing from the (female) kinmates who were running the quests at the same time, otherwise no one batted an eye... at least not where I could hear/see it. Which I think speaks volumes about the maturity of the people on Vilya.
This reminds me - during the spring festival I was having a bad case of lag in the festival areas, especially the Duillond garden and the hedge maze, even during off hours, and a friend gave me the tip to strip the toon to her underwear - which helped somewhat. I got some friendly teasing from the (female) kinmates who were running the quests at the same time, otherwise no one batted an eye... at least not where I could hear/see it. Which I think speaks volumes about the maturity of the people on Vilya.
That helps in the maze? I wish I would have known that!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
The female Lugians also had no visible mammaries, and at release wore no upper-body underwear either. But they were a lot more humanoid than Tonk, and at some point SOMEbody must've complained, because with an early patch all female Lugians got these little bikini tops added to their underwear. Silly, I calls it.
Those little training bra things they put on the female Lugians were indeed awful.
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I have never understood the reasoning behind men having female toons.
I've run into several. It doesn't make any difference to me. It's a game, maybe the role play, maybe they just like the look.
My 2 capped toons are a male elf and a dwarf, so people are always surprised when I speak (female). Sometimes they ask why. I don't really have a good answer. This was my first MMO and I was wary about the whole gender issue that this thread is about, so that was the elf, but I also just thought it looked better. Female elves run funny. Dwarves obviously have no choice in gender and I had all the other races already.
I've run into several. It doesn't make any difference to me. It's a game, maybe the role play, maybe they just like the look.
My 2 capped toons are a male elf and a dwarf, so people are always surprised when I speak (female). Sometimes they ask why. I don't really have a good answer. This was my first MMO and I was wary about the whole gender issue that this thread is about, so that was the elf, but I also just thought it looked better. Female elves run funny. Dwarves obviously have no choice in gender and I had all the other races already.
Welllll, your dwarf can be whatever gender you choose him/her to be. If she's female, however, she may be carefully concealing the fact. In any case, you can play whatever race/class/gender floats your boat, and if somebody complains, tell him/her "That's very interesting, I'll keep that in mind" and then walk away.
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I am aware of men playing female toons because of the gear and assistance they get from (assumed male) players. As for prejudice against female players I see little or none of that and am in fact aware of many women who are very skilled in playing their characters. Some play male characters, some female, but all are well played and, at least in my kinship, they are openly accepted as being some of the very best.
There is a problem with sexism bordering on misogyny in gaming as a whole, but this obviously varies hugely by game and genre. At one end of the spectrum - the nasty side - are PvP first-person-shooter games. LOTRO is pretty much all the way to the other side of the spectrum. Like most kins, mine has a healthy proportion of women and the kin and the game are much the better for this.
No doubt pockets of testosterone-driven macho idiocy are there to be found - notably in Ettenmoors - but I very much doubt any female LOTRO player is going to experience more such problems in-game than they do in other walks of life. This is not to belittle the effect of even rare unpleasantness by the way, and on some issues - such as a personal beef of mine, the casual use of '&&&&-talk' in PvMP - the LOTRO community is still as backwards as any. But I would certainly say that deliberately keeping your gender a secret is unnecessary.
Sigh. The forums edited a word above. I'm sure you can figure out what 4-letter word beginning with 'r' I am referring to.
Things differ from server to server I guess. S'lode has a healthy population of girl gamers (lots in my kin and groups I raid with), but the Moors do seem to have a lot more men. However, they all call eachother "cutie" and "sexy" regardless of gender. Pretty much one big love-fest out there. Except for all the whining and drama, I guess.
That's really not the reason men play female characters. Sure some people say that's the reason (and they often say it in a rude way) but I suspect that's a minority, and these seems to be the ones that look at you funny if you've got a female hobbit (or gnome in other games). However there are many reasons to do this, and there are already many threads that keep popping up here about why.
- role playing
- male characters can sometimes just look stupid (ie, the human males in WoW are just painful to look at, male elves here stand funny).
- variety. Ie, I've got all nine classes, three females, three males, and 3 dwarves (one of which is female, one I'm not sure about). Sometimes you get tired of male captains/minstrels shouting all the time and switch over to female shouts to get a change of pace.
The main reason though I think is that a lot of people just aren't freaked out about it. It's just a character, not a lifestyle, not a secret desire to be more feminine in real life, not a way to fool people. It was just a choice during character creation and we chose it. Flip the coins and roll the dice.
This is pretty much my thinking as well. In some games I've played in the past, the males just didn't look very good. I was happy to find when I starting playing Lotro that that was not really an issue. Just so much variety.
Mostly when I create a character, I'm not thinking of this as an avitar representing myself, I'm thinking of it as I would if it were a character in a book. Since I've enjoyed plenty of books with female leading characters, this is not by any means a stretch.
The other reason is for variety. I have 8 characters - 3 elves, 2 human, 2 hobbit and 1 dwarf, 4 male and 4 female, and representing each class except burglar (just haven't done one yet) (Oh, plus 1 reaver and 1 weaver, though I wasn't counting those as I haven't really gotten into them too much). If I have no problem playing a completely different race, why would playing the opposite sex be more unusual. To me it just makes playing a little bit more varied.
This is pretty much my thinking as well. In some games I've played in the past, the males just didn't look very good. I was happy to find when I starting playing Lotro that that was not really an issue. Just so much variety.
Mostly when I create a character, I'm not thinking of this as an avitar representing myself, I'm thinking of it as I would if it were a character in a book. Since I've enjoyed plenty of books with female leading characters, this is not by any means a stretch.
This is important to understanding why most men play female characters. The people that usually have a problem with it tend to view a character as an actual representation of the player in question. They fail to understand that the guy with the female character invented a fictional person no different than a character that sprang from the imagination of an author or screenwriter. Different brain wiring schematics that view the character creation process from opposite ends of the spectrum.
Originally Posted by Hikerdude2010
If I have no problem playing a completely different race, why would playing the opposite sex be more unusual. To me it just makes playing a little bit more varied.
No one jumps to conclusions about your gender identity or sexual orientation because you pressed the "Dwarf" button during character creation, so why would you do it over the fact that someone pressed the "Female" button? It just goes to show how deeply ingrained rigidly defined gender roles are in our society.
And for the record, I have never rolled a female character with the slightest intention of getting free stuff. I doubt that the majority of guys with female characters have either.
And for the record, I have never rolled a female character with the slightest intention of getting free stuff. I doubt that the majority of guys with female characters have either.
I really appreciate that female characters in LOTRO (at least in my experience) aren't automatically targeted for gifts and offers of help. Things were quite different in GW, and it almost made me angrier than the sexist or creepy comments I'd get sometimes. Sure, gifts are a nice way of offering friendship regardless of gender, but the assumption that because someone is female (or playing a female toon) they need more help than someone playing a male toon is just plain silly. In real life and virtual life, I prefer to earn what I have.
I really appreciate that female characters in LOTRO (at least in my experience) aren't automatically targeted for gifts and offers of help. Things were quite different in GW, and it almost made me angrier than the sexist or creepy comments I'd get sometimes. Sure, gifts are a nice way of offering friendship regardless of gender, but the assumption that because someone is female (or playing a female toon) they need more help than someone playing a male toon is just plain silly.
Even sillier, the idea that a male character might be rewarded with the female character's "favors." This isn't real life, guys; that beautiful Elf-maiden that you'd just love to get your hands on is nothing but ones and zeroes! And so are you.......
In real life and virtual life, I prefer to earn what I have.
I couldn't care less whether any given player claims to be male or female, because here on the Internet, nobody knows you're actually a dog. If you're friendly & nice to me, I'll be friendly & nice to you -- even if you're a button-mashing scrub who can't figure out the difference between a DOT & a "nuke."
Edit: I did once create a female character (in Ultima Online) expressly to see if I would be showered with gifts & gold & assistance. I didn't get a freekin' thing
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Damn you DHH! I just wasted half an hour looking through that site and ended up bookmarking it!!! Anyway, thanks for the link, I enjoyed it.
Originally Posted by Hikerdude2010
Mostly when I create a character, I'm not thinking of this as an avitar representing myself, I'm thinking of it as I would if it were a character in a book. Since I've enjoyed plenty of books with female leading characters, this is not by any means a stretch.
And this is why I make female toons. They are my main characters in my work of fiction that Turbine has given me access to. I'm nothing like them in RL.
Originally Posted by Livejazz
Edit: I did once create a female character (in Ultima Online) expressly to see if I would be showered with gifts & gold & assistance. I didn't get a freekin' thing
Oh man, I did. I was given gold, dragons, a house. And the thing is, I did not even try to act like a girl, I was just myself. But it was totally different back then, MMOs are much more popular and mainstream now.
Originally Posted by Sirensonmute
Everyone here is now reported for tomfoolery and nonsensicalness!
P.S. As a (fill in gender here) I agree with no one. okay buhbye!
Well Ninnyhammers and Fiddlesticks, I'll just have to go back to serious business like ranting about what ever.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
Saying "we're going to r*** them in the moors" should be considerered flat out unacceptable;
This made me laugh.
Do you actually live in the real world or in some sheltered commune with no outside contact?
I'd hate to be so hypersensitive to something so trivial and common place. I wouldn't be able to get through most days if I took offence to such nonsense.
Do you actually live in the real world or in some sheltered commune with no outside contact?
Ironically, I can't help thinking that people who say, "We r**ed them in the 'moors" tend to have a sheltered life with little outside contact. Otherwise, they wouldn't say such idiotic things.
Making light of r**e in that sense is juvenile. People need to seriously grow up.
Fare you well ... let your life proceed by its own design
Nothing to tell ... let the words be yours, I'm done with mine.
Sometimes there are really great advantages to playing a female character, especially in PvP. In DAoC, my female Lurikeen pbaoe Enchanter, could fit very nicely inside a gravestone (and gravestones were usually somewhere busy for fights). If playing support (such as on my Druid), then the smaller Celt female was easier to hide behind a Firbolg and be as unobtrusive as possible.
As somebody who has been nuts about PvP for years (RvR in DAoC's case), or just nuts (grins), I'll take any slight edge I can get if it will help (and it does, as much as being careful with what colours you dye your clothes, and it all adds up).
Sometimes, for just entertainment value too. I can't remember which game it was now (it might have been Warhammer online), but the female characters move just like the Mars Attacks (one of my favourite comedy's) character, the Martian in disguise as a female, to get into the Whitehouse (from 1:15 in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDAaTzccCik ) and it just cracks me up.
I am glad that over the years of playing MMOs, more and more females are playing and they don't get hounded as much as they used to.
My first MMO was Guild wars and i made a female elementalist....loved the character..but so did lots of other people, mainly men. The messages and the stalking kept happening which was annoying so i made up my alto ego Bob the white van man which sorted out my messages for a while
As a couple of years past i started to notice females actually loving it and playing up for the attention to get free stuff, which in turn encouraged guys to be more and more hounding =\ If i was to ever come across another girl in a party to hunt things, there would be friction...as some girls, then had to beat other girls for the male banter. Same as some other MMOS that i moved to like Aion and even Tera.
As strange as it is Lotro is the only MMO where i see other females not competing for male attention and other males seem more relaxed around the company of females and not sticking their tongues out wagging at the prospect of a girl being in their party. One thing i can think of is Lotro doesn't have unrealistic looking females and skimpy outfits. If i compare Guild wars, Aion, Tera and even WoW the looks and feel of female characters are definitely not as flaunting or provocative, which could have something to do with the more relaxed attitude?
I know you will always come across a few that break what I have just said but for the majority of the time this is what i have personally encountered
Anyone else think the styling and costumes of Lotro could make a difference?
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