Question. Would wemen wear make-up in a world whithout men? The answer can only be NO.
You're mistaken.
On a side node. Wemen are the spiritual higher beings when compared to men. Ofc it is because wemen are able to give birth to new live.
They are 'the conduit' between the realms that form the world we live in.
Oh, nonsense.
But also they have one more 'body orifice' then men have. Wich makes them superior in occultism.
Oh, dearie me. You remind me of the story (told in the Secret Histories of Procopius of Caesarea) about what the Empress Theodora (who started life as a prostitute) used to complain about.
Can I tell, on these forums, what Theodora used to complain about? No, better not. Read it up in Procopius.
It's one more thing LOTRO has going for it--no chainmail bikinis, no mages in their undies. Much as we sometimes complain about the choices for armour in LOTRO, at least it's all reasonably sensible and doesn't force female characters to run around mostly naked.
And all our characters come equipped at creation with underwear which cannot be removed. Female underwear is relatively modest: a bodice and a knee-length skirt.
Amusingly enough, male underwear is even more modest: a sleeveless shirt and ankle-length trews.
Actually, the choices available for female characters in some of those other games depend on an outdated assumption: that all gamers are young males, full of raging hormones but having zero actual experience with real females in the, um, flesh, who in default of the real thing want at least to look at nekkid females, even when they're just made up of pixels.
I can remember looking at the original box for EQ -- the one with the blonde bimbo in the powder-blue bikini -- and saying "NO," right then and there.
(As distinguished from my first look at the box for Asheron's Call, which showed men fighting Olthoi atop a giant toadstool, in a landscape decorated with giant Shasta daisies. My immediate reaction: "I WANT THIS!" My second reaction: "I'll buy the hint book first and read it." Which I did, and bought the game the following week.
(And the female characters in AC came equipped with the same modest underwear as in LotRO, only it was plain beige.)
Geändert von djheydt (Jun 21 2012 um 01:33 PM Uhr)
I find that with most games, no one is anything more than a pixel on the screen. As long as those pixels do what they're supposed to do, why does anything beyond that matter?
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Ita dicimus omnes
This society is male dominated. Our entertainment is male dominated. So are our video games. Sure we are geting used to it or dont notice it at all because we dont know it otherwise and cant tell the difference. If the proportion(s) of females in MMOs and Games are reising, it only means women have learned to live with the constasnt sexism they are confronted with.
Or that game developers are caving in to constant media pressure of unrealistic standards of perfection and are building on that. It's relatively easy to Photoshop an image into something that barely resembles the original person depicted, and while my experience for making custom game skins ended at Sims2, I doubt it would be much harder to make a "perfect" toon than an "ordinary" one. Let's face it, if the characters in LotRO looked like Jane and Jim from next door, few people would want to slip into their skin to act out a (power) fantasy, regardless whether the gamer is male or female. If you've read the thread, you'll have come across a few links to Anita Sarkeesian's situation, brought about for planning to criticize tropes as applied to female game characters. She's been quite brave to face such a tidal wave of harassment and keep going. A lot of people, regardless of gender, would probably be effectively shut up and given up on their criticism of unrealistic females, hence a very slow change to the male-dominated entertainment industry.
But I can only say to all the women. Just imagine a world without men. Noone who judges you by your looks. Noone who tells you the only way of getting selfestime is being attractive and liked by man. Just think of such place and what you would do there as a true women. Not a toy for men.
Who says that - even though there is horrific pressure to adopt conventional gender roles - people have to act on it? I know enough fantastic people who refuse to be thin, wear makeup, pander to their partners, be conventionally attractive, conform to sexual "norms", the gender binary, age, and what have you else because that's what's done, but if someone wants to walk around like a second Britney Spears - or Jane Ordinary - if it makes them happy, why not? It takes all sorts, and as long as it does not hurt anybody, where is the problem, and why shouldn't we be able to coexist?
Imagine all those 40year old real life males wich are playing those chars ... *shiver*
Again, these are pixels on a screen. And while they definitely don't fall into my raster of beauty or cuteness, in fact imho are coming worryingly close to a Lolita-style prebubescent ideal and a completely irrealistic idea of women (and thus could do with a good deal of revision, imho), I don't see an issue with the gender and age of the player. If 40-year-old men would like to pretend to be these figures for their own fun and wish-fulfillment, what is the problem? In what way does it impede enjoyment of the game unless you like to imagine the players you interact with look exactly like that? That's about as likely as meeting an elf toon in LotRO and expecting that to be controlled by a real elf. As long as it's clear that the images on your screen are divorced from reality, what is the big deal? (No, I don't subscribe to the school of thought that blames video games for all the world's evils and what is wrong with society today).
And I'll continue my TLDR with the same poster's second reply.
Zitat von bastardoGrande
Question. Would wemen wear make-up in a world whithout men? The answer can only be NO.
The answer can only be "let everyone decide that for themselves." Besides, that's a largely western(ized) beauty standard. Historically and ethnologically talking, many cultures display(ed) different beauty standards for their genders, where (assuming a binary) men deck themselves out no less than women, that's from ornamental &&&&& sheaths to red ochre to tattoos to plucking eyebrows and cutting hair.
On a side node. Wemen are the spiritual higher beings when compared to men. Ofc it is because wemen are able to give birth to new live.
What if they decide not to have children, are infertile, identify as women regardless of anatomy? Don't you think limiting women to a potential capacity is like limiting men to being &&&&& donors? Personally I don't see how that has a great deal to do with spirituality, but then I'm not a very spiritual person despite being female. I'm not meaning to show you up, you're welcome to your beliefs. Please just don't go about touting them as universal.
I was actually told not to tell my gender too when I first started playing. I wasn't sure why, since my toons were all female. But, this was my first MMO, since I didn't know the 'etiquette' that was involved. Well, when my old kin got vent, everyone was surprised to find out I was, in fact, female. But, they still treated me the same, and the old kin leader was female as well, so she was happy to have a fellow chick gamer on her side. ^.^
And those images are the NEW clothed images. They changed them after the game was released in North America about 2 weeks later they ADDed clothing. The original toons had only "see thru" clothes and all the toons have provocative gestures and stances.
While playing there (for a short while) someone from Australia was complaining they had too many clothes and that the version in Korea was the one s/he wanted not this "clothed toon" version.
I didn't get it myself until I read about Anime. After that I canceled my sub to TERA. I'm an adult but it finally got thru to me about the kind of chat I was seeing. As I mentioned I reported it all but if "that" is what the game was about, I decided to leave it to those who want that kind of thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime
...anime refers to a style of animation originating in Japan, characterized by colorful graphics and often featuring themes intended for an adult audience...
I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! <Your winnings, sir.>
[sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
I find that with most games, no one is anything more than a pixel on the screen. As long as those pixels do what they're supposed to do, why does anything beyond that matter?
This is also the way I see things. I will have to add though that some of the best players I have met in MMO's have turned out to be female.
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While I don't doubt that you heard some very gross things in TERA and it's completely up to you whether you want to sub to any game or not, you're completely misrepresenting what anime is. The wikipedia article is in no way stating that anime is porn, though I won't deny that there is some anime/manga which is pornographic in nature. By "adult" they simply mean that anime, unlike western animation, isn't always or usually targeted at children. The assumption most people have in the western world is that animation = cartoons = kids stuff. Anime is often not at all for kids, can deal in very dark themes, etc. It's a style, not a genre. Please actually try to learn and understand these things before you go making assumptions. I don't even like anime/manga, and that was kind of offensive to me.
Anyway, back to the thread topic, I appreciate people bringing up sexual orientation as another harassment issue. One of the reasons I joined an explicitly LGBTQ-friendly kinship was because I didn't want to deal with what I assumed would be the usual chat room language of most straight dudebros. Safe spaces are important to have for all marginalized groups, not just women. LOTRO is usually pretty good about making room for some of those safe spaces.
I just want to add my two cents... I've always been under the impression that many women play LOTRO. Every time my wife has given me a hard time about playing or anything, I tell her she should give it a try and that there are tons of women who play. She might like it.
I've never been able to get her to though, but she doesn't play video games period. So, I didn't expect her to.
I've never had a problem in this game. The only time anyone has expressed surprised was when the game was new and I was a tank, as people weren't used to seeing female tanks. We're more common now, so even that isn't a big deal. My policy in any game is that if people ask my gender, I will tell them the truth. If they don't, I don't see the point in volunteering it. Don't feel like you have to. It's just a way to "other" women, to say that men are the default and women are somehow weird or outliers. In LOTRO, I'd say it's about 50/50. There is nothing unique about being a woman, nothing weird or othering. You ARE the norm. That's a good thing, embrace it. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't even worth bothering with.
While I don't doubt that you heard some very gross things in TERA and it's completely up to you whether you want to sub to any game or not, you're completely misrepresenting what anime is. The wikipedia article is in no way stating that anime is porn, ....
Please actually try to learn and understand these things before you go making assumptions. I don't even like anime/manga, and that was kind of offensive to me.
Ahmmm I don't think I ever mentioned porn. I mentioned the wikipedia line about "anime refers to a style of animation originating in Japan, characterized by colorful graphics and often featuring themes intended for an adult audience".
I think YOU are thinking of porn I certainly wasn't. And if you want to see the kind of chat they have please do log in there. What I saw was not repeatable here and their mods cleared it up every single time I reported it.
Hate to admit that I'm one of those who actually read the series when it seriously took off in the 6o's and I was in college. At present I am reading it again for at least the 4th and not last time. This Time on Kindle. I even had a pin on button that said "Go. Go, Gandalf"
On my main server I have 4 toons and one is a female elf hunter. Strangely I tend to play her more aggressivly then the others in a brawl. Even on a solo I tend to jump in and help when someone is struggling on a quest. Most just grab their trophy and split without seeing if I could use a hand myself. I get an occasional bow which is nice especially from someone who was about to take a trip to the nearest Stone Circle.
Anyway I think I tend to react to other toons based on their behavior without trying to figure out their true gender.
Question : when you get an invitation to join a group like " K....... has asked you to join HER kinship", is the gender based on the toon or the actual members sex ?
Geändert von Lorenzio (Jun 22 2012 um 05:19 PM Uhr)
Hate to admit that I'm one of those who actually read the series when it seriously took off in the 6o's and I was in college. At present I am reading it again for at least the 4th and not last time. This Time on Kindle. I even had a pin on button that said "Go. Go, Gandalf"
On my main server I have 4 toons and one is a female elf hunter. Strangely I tend to play her more aggressivly then the others in a brawl. Even on a solo I tend to jump in and help when someone is struggling on a quest. Most just grab their trophy and split without seeing if I could use a hand myself. I get an occasional bow which is nice especially from someone who was about to take a trip to the nearest Stone Circle.
Anyway I think I tend to react to other toons based on their behavior without trying to figure out their true gender.
Question : when you get an invitation to join a group like " K....... has asked you to join HER kinship", is the gender based on the toon or the actual members sex ?
On the gender of the character. The gender of the player is a secret between him/her and whoever s/he chooses to tell about it, which could be nobody.
Which is why I occasionally get called "man" or "bro" in chat. And don't mind it at all.
Gone are the days when MMORPG meant Many Men Online Roleplaying Girls
To be fair, that was never really true. Right from the word go ladies were gaming as much as the guys. Very often playing male characters to be able to game in peace, because many believed that too, and were understandably wary. Some of the Guilds I have been GM of have had mostly lady members.
The oldest lady gamer I have come across, was in her 80's when she was playing Ultima Online. A good roleplayer, she turned out to be a very good PvP'r too. I hope she's still having a blast with her gaming.
In DAoC, early on, most of my friends started off playing Albion, and muggins was playing Hibernia. Talk about the ladies being out for my blood in RvR! They'd all be spotting to try and see me (Nerys WychHazel the Druid - made for my sister, and the character became a bit well known from closed beta, and has a lot of very fond memories associated with it) on the battlefield, then try and gank me. A friends daughter was the worst, I got her killed by backing into mobs, so many times she had a real vendetta for me. If I spotted her first (she always wore green metallic armour, so was fairly easy to spot), there'd be my Druid pet chasing her around the battlefield (and she'd be cursing me like mad round at her parents house). She was a brilliant player though, and loved playing her Armswoman. RIP Tamseeka, you were a real diamond, and we all miss you like crazy.
Geändert von WychHazel (Jun 22 2012 um 04:37 PM Uhr)
One new (sort of) tech that might have some impact is Voice Morphing. It's available on quite a few systems these days. I've thought of using it sometimes - especially out on the ettenmoors where I'd rather folks not recognize my freep by my voice.
I've mostly seen this used as comical relief during those long CDs during raids but just cause it sounds feminine not a good assumption anymore.
It'll be interesting to see how this gets embedded - it would be KEWL if we could select our voice chat to match our toons race. My guardian always yells in a male sounding voice but it would be kewl if I could "sound dwarf" or "sound elf" while talking too. Likely best on the RP servers.
I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! <Your winnings, sir.>
[sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
I think Lotro has a pretty high female rate compared to many other games, which makes it easier for us. I've never tried being shunned or similar, but I have seen some being it when broadcasting something like "[LFF] RL female looking for help with leveling", which is just bad style and shows how spoiled us female mmo'ers are - and some obviously take advantage of their gender.
But there's the occasional "are you really female!!!???" in pm - and at least for my part, I've especially experienced it in PvP (although that's a long time since I went there) and in the Prancing Pony late at night (like a bar 10 mins before closing time, eh), so I've just avoided that - especially on voice chat.
The worst experiences I've had are the creepy types who think they are subtle when chatting with you and fishing for info on whether you are really female and how many females are in your kin, etc.. I'm sure they consider themselves really bright not asking it directly, but it just makes it creepy. It shouldn't matter what gender you are (unless you're both interested in getting to know each other better).
So I have experienced the occasional annoyance & creepiness - and embarrassment for others that they try to use their gender to be carried through the game, or getting attention because they are female, but never being shunned or ignored or the like.
Geändert von Whiteberry_Laurelin (Jun 22 2012 um 09:34 PM Uhr)
The worst experiences I've had are the creepy types who think they are subtle when chatting with you and fishing for info on whether you are really female and how many females are in your kin, etc.. I'm sure they consider themselves really bright not asking it directly, but it just makes it creepy. It shouldn't matter what gender you are (unless you're both interested in getting to know each other better).
Yeah. Like you're going to meet them for drinks in RL or something?
As I said somewhere upthread, my generic answer to "Are you a girl in RL?" was "At [my age that year] hardly a girl, but female," and their generic response was "Wow! You're OLD and you're playing MMOs! That is SO COOL!"
But nobody's ever asked me that in LotRO. I guess my Elf looks too unapproachable (she does have these supercilious eyebrows) and my Hobbit looks too run-of-the-mill.
While the majority of folks playing the game here are very decent, there is still overt and subtle sexism...often cropping up in GLFF and sometimes in fellowships/raids. Have heard some really outrageous remarks directed against the female of our species in GLFF, and doubt that the speakers were banned, but who knows.
The community is undoubtedly older and more balanced in terms of male/female ratios than many other games.
I'm seeing young women behaving more like young men in other games, not necessarily a good thing.
While the majority of folks playing the game here are very decent, there is still overt and subtle sexism...often cropping up in GLFF and sometimes in fellowships/raids. Have heard some really outrageous remarks directed against the female of our species in GLFF, and doubt that the speakers were banned, but who knows.
I have two answers to that one. No, three.
(a) That was GLFF, where the less civilized members of the community tend to hang out.
(b) You can and should report egregiously nasty chat of any kind on any channel; but you will never hear the outcome, which will be the business of Turbine and the offending chatter.
(c) But yes, very likely the chatter got some kind of reprimand. Back in AC the procedure for Sentinels to whom such behavior was Warn; Boot (from the game, permitting them to log in again), Ban (for one to three days usually), Perma-ban (which required action from Turbine management). I have no doubt that some similar procedure is still in place.
The community is undoubtedly older and more balanced in terms of male/female ratios than many other games.
This has been true of Turbine games all along, particularly in the matter of greater (average) maturity.
I'm seeing young women behaving more like young men in other games, not necessarily a good thing.
Well, this is happening in society generally; young women are behaving with the freedom (and bad taste) originally associated only with young men. Back in the day, young men were forgiven egregious behavior simply because they were young men, whereas young women were expected to act like ladies. The good part is the waning of the double standard. The bad part is that now young people of whatever gender feel free to be uncivilized. Perhaps another generation or so will see the re-civilization of both genders.
My policy in any game is that if people ask my gender, I will tell them the truth. If they don't, I don't see the point in volunteering it.
This is what I do as well, usually. My 2 level capped toons are a male elf and a dwarf, so people just assume. This is my first MMO and I was wary so that's what I went with and then I had the other races so I made a dwarf. Ended up RK is a lot of fun!
In my old kin, now disbanded, I got the 'wait, you're a chick?' the first time I was in voice. They obviously weren't observant to things I'd said in kinchat. but then they were cool with it.
As to fellowships/raids...I'm never quite sure how to respond to the sexist/homophobic comments, or the casual use of r--- which really bothers me. I usually don't say anything, or quietly report, and that just makes me feel worse. Anyone got some suggestions of lines to be like 'hey, thats not cool...' I just feel like its futile and Im going to get the 'you're a sensitive female' response.
I was in a raid and the mini, a female, did the 'swoon' and 2 of the guys did push ups over her. One was like 'gang r---!' and no one said anything. Idk why people think this is okay.
Except that, as I said, I don't get asked that any more.
Yeah, because that's what ladies like to be called... OLD.
I foresee a lot of pain in that kids future.
On the contrary. I found those remarks delightful. I AM old. I'm seventy. I'm entitled to call myself old. And I can still play LotRO (I wouldn't do well at twitch games that require fast reflexes; fortunately I don't want to), and I think that is, as the youngsters said, cool.
My main character is a human male hunter, his support alts are all female; elf champion, hobbit guardian, human loremaster, If there was a female dwarf I would have her as my metalsmith. Does this make me a sexist pig?
I don't automatically assume because some one is running a male or female character that they are that sex, no reason to. It seems rather pointless to me.
I did get a big kick out of friend of mine admitting he got pawned in medal of honor by a 10 year old girl. He didn't realize it till he heard her talking smack. LOL
My mother is 72 and plays video games.
I'm confident enough in my masculinity to not feel uncomfortable playing a female character. After all it isn't whom is running the character but how they run it.
Reading the stuff here though really puts me in mind of some fat geek that hasn't bathed in a couple of weeks, ever shaved, living in momma's basement, with pieces of potato chips all over his fat stomach, breathing heavy and saying "ya baby, that's it, just lay there ahhhhhhhhhh". Because that is about as close as he is ever going to get lol
"an over preoccupation with sex is cause by a lack of occupation with sex" lol
No one in this game has ever been surprised by my gender. Heck, my kin leaders are female. I meet other girls all the time in this game. Guys never seem surprised to learn that I'm a girl. It's nice considering past experiences.
In an indie PvP game I used to play, I personally knew almost every female who played the game (at least, those who were willing to admit that they were female). There weren't very many of us. Male players were always shocked the first time they heard us in Vent or Mumble and learned we really were girls like we had said we were! The guys in my clan liked to tease both me and the two other females in our clan (they'd call us petnames, say that females don't play games, etc), but the guys were very protective of us if someone outside the clan ever bothered us.
I'm a 57 yr. old female who has played Lotro for 4 yrs. I've never had a bit of problem with the fact I'm female or that I'm older. Heck the leader of my kin on Windfola was in his 60's! Though I haven't had any problems... my age has been a surprise to some. One person I was fellowing with asked my age. I told him and he said, "Omg! You're older than my mom!" We laughed about it and continued to fellow and mightily killed some Orcs in Moria! It was a fun day. As for my being a female it's never even slightly been an issue. Lotro is based on the books and they appeal to young and old, male and female. So, I think there's probably less of an issue here with gender than perhaps other MMO's. I play female toons because I see them as my avatar/representation of myself in game. (I'm on Landroval and role-play) That said, I do have a male dwarf I play just because I happen to like him. However, I don't role-play on my male dwarf.
I'm also a female player and many in-game friends who are also female. I've only encountered a few situations where another player was being totally inappropriate - reported and ignored.
It doesn't bother me, but I do find it amusing when receiving tells from people and they call me bro or dude
Army of alts: Meggie - 85 captain/Lunelleth - 76 hunter
I'm also a female player and many in-game friends who are also female. I've only encountered a few situations where another player was being totally inappropriate - reported and ignored.
It doesn't bother me, but I do find it amusing when receiving tells from people and they call me bro or dude
Yes, it's amusing. Doesn't bother me either. If and only if I have to confront the Witch-king sometime will I have to say, "I am no Man!"
Not that I could kill him, even so; he's spoken for. But it might make him run away. (Well, float away.)
I remember ages ago someone advising me that I should never tell LOTRO players that I'm female as I will shock and be shunned by the (apparently mostly) male community! I know it's way out there now, but I would love to hear peoples thoughts on this! I've never been shunned or shocked anyone by admitting my gender in game or on the forums, and it has become something of a humourous and unrealistic cliche to believe that girls shouldn't be gamers!
Does anyone actually really stand by this? xD
Well I can't speak for anyone but myself but I don't have a problem with females in lotro or any other game. I like girls. The more the merrier. If I had my way I'd be the only man playing, surrounded by women, elf maidens and hobbit lasses.
Well I can't speak for anyone but myself but I don't have a problem with females in lotro or any other game. I like girls. The more the merrier. If I had my way I'd be the only man playing, surrounded by women, elf maidens and hobbit lasses.
Not sure why anyone would be 'stunned' by finding out a player they've been having some contact with is female - it isn't that hard to tell whether the player is a male or female by what they type (after a while at least). Also another slight quirk I've noticed (I don't really have much evidence to base this on in-game so it may be anecdotal nonsense) is female players generally seem less absorbed into the game than male players. For example when helping them with a quest you feel as though they're constantly on the verge of saying 'afk 2 mins, gotta sort xxx out'. They generally seem more detached from the game, in my very limited experience.
"'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Rune-Keeper! A Rune-Keeper is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Tolkien's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face."
Also another slight quirk I've noticed (I don't really have much evidence to base this on in-game so it may be anecdotal nonsense) is female players generally seem less absorbed into the game than male players. For example when helping them with a quest you feel as though they're constantly on the verge of saying 'afk 2 mins, gotta sort xxx out'. They generally seem more detached from the game, in my very limited experience.
How would you know? Does everyone you've helped on quests reveal their gender to you?
Not sure why anyone would be 'stunned' by finding out a player they've been having some contact with is female - it isn't that hard to tell whether the player is a male or female by what they type (after a while at least). Also another slight quirk I've noticed (I don't really have much evidence to base this on in-game so it may be anecdotal nonsense) is female players generally seem less absorbed into the game than male players. For example when helping them with a quest you feel as though they're constantly on the verge of saying 'afk 2 mins, gotta sort xxx out'. They generally seem more detached from the game, in my very limited experience.
Not sure why anyone would be 'stunned' by finding out a player they've been having some contact with is female - it isn't that hard to tell whether the player is a male or female by what they type (after a while at least). Also another slight quirk I've noticed (I don't really have much evidence to base this on in-game so it may be anecdotal nonsense) is female players generally seem less absorbed into the game than male players. For example when helping them with a quest you feel as though they're constantly on the verge of saying 'afk 2 mins, gotta sort xxx out'. They generally seem more detached from the game, in my very limited experience.
Hmmm. I generally find that everyone has to afk sometimes. Both me and my husband play and we have a 4 and a 2 year old. They are meant to be tidied away in bed by 7pm but its not always the case... sometimes I need to pull a few afks to sort this out, sometimes its my husbands job. You say yourself you have very limited experience so don't you think that making such a generalism is well, a bit sexist? I certainly wouldn't make such an assumption with little experience over anything not just matters regarding a players gender.
Anyway... Sometimes I need to afk, I'll always explain to my fellows if this is the case but usually when we're waiting on someone afk we're waiting on my favourite mini... he is the king of afk.
As to fellowships/raids...I'm never quite sure how to respond to the sexist/homophobic comments, or the casual use of r--- which really bothers me. I usually don't say anything, or quietly report, and that just makes me feel worse. Anyone got some suggestions of lines to be like 'hey, thats not cool...' I just feel like its futile and Im going to get the 'you're a sensitive female' response.
I was in a raid and the mini, a female, did the 'swoon' and 2 of the guys did push ups over her. One was like 'gang r---!' and no one said anything. Idk why people think this is okay.
That's not just sexist, that's sick, and reportable.
Regarding how to approach sexist comments in general, it's tough, because of exactly what you mention: the 'oh you're just being uptight--it's just a joke lolol.' That's how bullies of any kind justify their behavior. I never let r---- comments pass; there is nothing humorous about a horrific act of violence, and the community should reject it as a casual or 'funny' term. As far as other types of comments go, if it truly bothers me and I think it would possibly make a difference, I say something. I also refuse to group with people who act like that--if you want my help, you're going to have to treat people with respect.
That's not a perfect solution by any means, but then again I've only experienced a small number of sexist or creepy encounters, and the majority of male players that I have met in this game are mature, intelligent, respectful, and a lot of fun to be around.
Hmmm. I generally find that everyone has to afk sometimes.
That's kind of stating the obvious. I was merely pointing out that I think females don't get as absorbed into the game as males do. Whether that's just a mental difference or because of real life commitments, or both, I don't know.
Zitat von Maendae
You say yourself you have very limited experience so don't you think that making such a generalism is well, a bit sexist?
If you're idea of "sexist" is someone believing there are differences between male and female that are more than skin-deep then guilty as charged.
My idea of the word is showing hatred or distate for the opposite gender, in which case I plead not guilty.
Zitat von Maendae
I certainly wouldn't make such an assumption with little experience over anything not just matters regarding a players gender.
Just giving my opinion. When I have more in-game experience which leads me to re-evaluate my current ideas you'll be the first to know.
Here is another 'sweeping generalisation' for you: I think PvMP is overwhelmingly male dominated in comparison to the rest of the game. *flame proof jacket equipped*
"'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Rune-Keeper! A Rune-Keeper is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Tolkien's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face."
That's not just sexist, that's sick, and reportable.
Regarding how to approach sexist comments in general, it's tough, because of exactly what you mention: the 'oh you're just being uptight--it's just a joke lolol.' That's how bullies of any kind justify their behavior. I never let r---- comments pass; there is nothing humorous about a horrific act of violence, and the community should reject it as a casual or 'funny' term. As far as other types of comments go, if it truly bothers me and I think it would possibly make a difference, I say something. I also refuse to group with people who act like that--if you want my help, you're going to have to treat people with respect.
That's not a perfect solution by any means, but then again I've only experienced a small number of sexist or creepy encounters, and the majority of male players that I have met in this game are mature, intelligent, respectful, and a lot of fun to be around.
True. I generally leave the fellowship after the first sexist/racist comment and put those who have said it on ignore.
As for my gender, I remember a weird gent flirting with me out of the blue and then asking me if I were a female, because he "would hate to flirt with a dood". My answer was since you won't be able to know it with a certainty it's ontologically irrelevant.
That's not just sexist, that's sick, and reportable.
Regarding how to approach sexist comments in general, it's tough, because of exactly what you mention: the 'oh you're just being uptight--it's just a joke lolol.' That's how bullies of any kind justify their behavior. I never let r---- comments pass; there is nothing humorous about a horrific act of violence, and the community should reject it as a casual or 'funny' term. As far as other types of comments go, if it truly bothers me and I think it would possibly make a difference, I say something. I also refuse to group with people who act like that--if you want my help, you're going to have to treat people with respect.
That's not a perfect solution by any means, but then again I've only experienced a small number of sexist or creepy encounters, and the majority of male players that I have met in this game are mature, intelligent, respectful, and a lot of fun to be around.
My biggest problem with the player content I experience ingame would probably be this. I do find that its used flippantly and in most cases its malice is unintentional. Thats NOT to say I condone it at all... I don't but I try to call people out on it, explaining why its not appropriate. R*** is still trivialised in courts and by governments and law enforcement around the world and doesn't need our help trivialising it more. I was r**ed and the fact that someone just got owned in EM doesn't compare.
Sometimes the effort to chastise players feels futile I'll admit but I have had some really get it much in the way someone described calling their son out for using the word "gay" earlier somewhere. Sometimes it doesn't work so well though, my husband called out someone I had already spoken too and this player accused him that it was my opinion and not my husbands own.
That's kind of stating the obvious. I was merely pointing out that I think females don't get as absorbed into the game as males do. Whether that's just a mental difference or because of real life commitments, or both, I don't know.
If you're idea of "sexist" is someone believing there are differences between male and female that are more than skin-deep then guilty as charged.
My idea of the word is showing hatred or distate for the opposite gender, in which case I plead not guilty.
Just giving my opinion. When I have more in-game experience which leads me to re-evaluate my current ideas you'll be the first to know.
1) Not convinced. Unless you have a crystal ball with check the player's sex function you can't make those judgments.
2) It's somewhat sexist, you are saying that one group is fundamentally different then the other instead of viewing each member of a group as a free individual, with his/her own qualities
If you're idea of "sexist" is someone believing there are differences between male and female that are more than skin-deep then guilty as charged.
Yeeeah no. I personally believe that there are many differences between men and women and thankful of it. My issue was that you say you have very little experience and then go on to give a generalisation as your opinion. Perhaps you would be better just admiting that you have very little experience and therefore can't really contribute to the discussion.
I have limited experience of your posts so I'll reserve judgement thanks maybe you're not a tool
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