Thread: Is it Fun?

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

or the threads getting too nasty and mean.

That's the thing - they're not. Sapience closed the last thread without even a decent excuse, and we were discussing Transmutation stones.

Also, they've banned some people for saying "they will leave for GW2"

Originally Posted by Stevo6

That's the thing - they're not. Sapience closed the last thread without even a decent excuse, and we were discussing Transmutation stones.

Also, they've banned some people for saying "they will leave for GW2"

I didn't see the thread you mention, but generally speaking, when it comes to saying "I am leaving for" posts...
It usually is the other stuff that is said in addition to those words that is problematic.

This thread got moved to a more appropriate forum for what is dubbed 'OFF' (I prefer the term 'BROADER') topic. As long as discussion continues to happen, I think this thread should be safe.

The OP posted a Dev from GW2 discussion how monetization, (specifically a subscription model) of an MMO effects design choices. A rather good topic for discussion.

As far as leaving ANY game is concerned, the people who are successful generally tend to just do it. A post isn't necessary. I'd wager folk posting to the effect really are hoping to cause change in order to stay, because that is what they desire. Rather misguided and ultimately noneffective in producing the changes they are hoping for.

Games are developed around how the features they have sell. Games that sell well and are fun, are the proverbial golden goose. World of WarCraft is the current Behemoth of the industry and they use a sub based model. That said, that Behemoth has shed 4 million subs from its prime. With WoW dropping Kung Fu Panda in November... I suspect come spring of 2013, it will have shed a few million more.

Around that same time I suspect Blizzard will move 'Titan' off the back burner and begin officially developing it. How they monetize that new game will be interesting to see.

Will cash shops totally replace subs? It really depends on how well those cash shops are perceived. What a company states up front about the cash shop, is what needs to play out. No one likes a 'BAIT & SWITCH' & that is where the perceptions usually begin to turn negative.

At the end of the day, companies need to make money. The question posed is, do they need to sacrifice the fun to do it?

That is the crux of it. If I am having fun, feeling connected, not just going through the motions... Me & my money are easily parted.

I am rooting for GW2. I hope they totally follow through with their new design, because frankly I am sick to tears of games just following in the wake of WOW. It was ultimately the reason I never touched SWTOR. Whilst the player campaign storyline (in the same vein as Mass Effect) really did look good, everything else underwhelmed. There was just no way I'd pay for a game box package, plus a sub on top, for the small amounts of game-play that I'd actually enjoy.

So to put a LotRO spin on it, the time of sub based games has ended, they will fade into the past.

Originally Posted by Jarryd

So to put a LotRO spin on it, the time of sub based games has ended, they will fade into the past.

Virtual money business model is nothing new. Metaverses (also known as collective 3D space where the users design their own world for socializing without the actual game concept) have thrived with it for a very long time.

It's quite addictive. Instead of subbing to get something among the other things that belong in a bundle, one pays for virtual money for wanting something particular. People do that little by little, and many will notice that they have already spent a lot over time, perhaps even the monthly VIP value.

Some virtual money can also be legally sold back to euros or dollars, but I doubt Lotro would use any other model for this than the one-way.

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

I don't think being worried is the reason. The reason I say that is because when Rift was coming out they were locking and deleting all references to that game, and nothing was done about the Star Wars the Old Republic MMO. And the SWTOR threads had all sorts of LOTRO bashing and doom predictions too.

I'm guessing it's some sort of contract issue or the threads getting too nasty and mean.

I seem to recall people complaining about SW:TOR threads being zapped as well as Rift, Tera, and other games. I didn't see a lot of the threads in question so I don't know if quibbling was the cause or Turbine just didn't want to see competing MMO's get discussed openly in its forums. That's understandable enough, but I recently had cause to carefully study the community guidelines here again and don't see that listed as a "forbidden subject".

Originally Posted by GV-Tanith

I seem to recall people complaining about SW:TOR threads being zapped as well as Rift, Tera, and other games. I didn't see a lot of the threads in question so I don't know if quibbling was the cause or Turbine just didn't want to see competing MMO's get discussed openly in its forums. That's understandable enough, but I recently had cause to carefully study the community guidelines here again and don't see that listed as a "forbidden subject".

Having been involved in most of those threads, I can personally say that they did get nasty. All of them. Both sides would argue with passion until one random troll would come in and sling insults (personal insults) at the LOTRO defenders.

I am starting to believe that, oddly enough, it's a LOTRO supporter who does this to intentionall turn the threads nasty to get them closed. It's happened too many times, and it would be far too easy to do.

Personally, I don't mind a good thread about another game. What I can't stand is a thread about another game made with the sole purpose of bashing this game. I always wonder why some people insist on bad mouthing LOTRO on the LOTRO forums. But now I get it. It's not the new game people love. It's bashing LOTRO in a place where people who actually like the game will see it that they like.

Take GW2. Great game, by the looks of everything we've seen and read. Awesome. Fine. We can all sing its praises without having to try and justify how good it is by making LOTRO out to be this horrible greed driven moster game that's unplayable. It's just not true.

This is off topic. Fine. A GW2 thread is totally appropriate. But why would any game tolerate thread after thread started by the same 10 people, probably encouraged directly by the competition, about a rival game that not only makes unfair and inaccurate comparisons, but also disparages its own game AND insults its players and long time forum posters?

I applaud Turbine for shutting down those threads. Not because they're GW2 related, but because they were a platform for outside influences to harass people here and mock the game that provides the forum these threads were posted to.

There was a nice, civil Skyrim thread that never got shut down. Guess why? No one came in and insulted loyal players and the game makers. TSW thread was never shut down for the same reason.

I'd love a nice civil GW2 thread, but because the game is such a big news story and is still being marketed actively in whisper campaigns, we'll never see one. And that has nothing to do with Turbine.

Here's a test. 2 months after GW2 launches, start a GW2 thread here. You won't see nearly the venom these other ones had. Why would that be?

Originally Posted by hex2323

I applaud Turbine for shutting down those threads. Not because they're GW2 related, but because they were a platform for outside influences to harass people here and mock the game that provides the forum these threads were posted to.

This is it in a nutshell. And more than insults, there were also unwarranted neg reps too. I know it's not only me because I saw other posts talking about it.

It's like the Off topic section is the local neighborhood reserved for the bad boys.

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

This is it in a nutshell. And more than insults, there were also unwarranted neg reps too. I know it's not only me because I saw other posts talking about it.

It's like the Off topic section is the local neighborhood reserved for the bad boys.

Not bad boys, just supremely ignorant, uninformed lotro "fanbois." The ones who live in glass houses and can't take any lotro hate whatsoever. I'd name names, but I don't think I can, here.

Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil

Not bad boys, just supremely ignorant, uninformed lotro "fanbois." The ones who live in glass houses and can't take any lotro hate whatsoever. I'd name names, but I don't think I can, here.

Thank you for proving my point that there can never be civil discussion of another game on these forums without someone insulting long time forum members and players of this game. This is why these threads get closed.

For those of you upset about GW2 threads being closed, you have people like this poster to thank for that.

Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil

Not bad boys, just supremely ignorant, uninformed lotro "fanbois." The ones who live in glass houses and can't take any lotro hate whatsoever. I'd name names, but I don't think I can, here.

It goes both ways. There are also the people that don't play LOTRO but come here to bash the game everytime a new MMO comes out and they proclaim it to be the death of LOTRO.

Originally Posted by hex2323

Thank you for proving my point that there can never be civil discussion of another game on these forums without someone insulting long time forum members and players of this game. This is why these threads get closed.

For those of you upset about GW2 threads being closed, you have people like this poster to thank for that.

And you thought I was talking about you? No, I've had my quarrels with you, but to be honest, I haven't thought negatively of you past those. Who I am talking about is basically one person: Wanderv. Or something along those lines. And, just to help you remember, I'm a "long time forum member and player of the game." If I didn't, you know, play in the Lotro beta and have continued playing since then, then I wouldn't really have the right to say that people like Wanderv live in glass houses.

I think if anyone is to blame in threads being closed, it's people like both you and me. Me, for taking your troll bait. You, for thinking everything I say, like what I said above, is a personal attack. I'd hate to meet you in public. "Hey, hex, you're shirt buttons are... unbuttoned." "Hey, what the devil, you little vermin, making fun of my clothing setup, gosh. People like you, man..."

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

It goes both ways. There are also the people that don't play LOTRO but come here to bash the game everytime a new MMO comes out and they proclaim it to be the death of LOTRO.

True, but it seems to me that those people are few and far between. Though, as I've stated a few times, nothing will kill lotro, or any other game except the game's own maker. It's rather pointless going on about 'WoW killers', etc. It also seems hard for people to understand people can enjoy Lotro and GW2 at the same time. Both are "F2P." *shrug*

Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil

It also seems hard for people to understand people can enjoy Lotro and GW2 at the same time. Both are "F2P." *shrug*

This is so true and you have a very valid point. I will be buying GW2 and I will be enjoying both. To be honest, I'm really excited about it.

Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil

And you thought I was talking about you? No, I've had my quarrels with you, but to be honest, I haven't thought negatively of you past those. Who I am talking about is basically one person: Wanderv. Or something along those lines. And, just to help you remember, I'm a "long time forum member and player of the game." If I didn't, you know, play in the Lotro beta and have continued playing since then, then I wouldn't really have the right to say that people like Wanderv live in glass houses.

I think if anyone is to blame in threads being closed, it's people like both you and me. Me, for taking your troll bait. You, for thinking everything I say, like what I said above, is a personal attack. I'd hate to meet you in public. "Hey, hex, you're shirt buttons are... unbuttoned." "Hey, what the devil, you little vermin, making fun of my clothing setup, gosh. People like you, man..."

Saying your shirt is unbuttoned and calling people 'supremely ignorant' are vastly different things.

And no, I did not think you meant me. Just thanking YOU for proving my point.

And yes, you would hate to meet me in real life at this point.

Originally Posted by hex2323

Saying your shirt is unbuttoned and calling people 'supremely ignorant' are vastly different things.

If you saw what Wanderv wrote, it was factually ignorant, supremely so. Saying that which is factual, is still factual, whether it is harsh, or not. As I have said, stop taking everything as if it's a personal attack. It seems that you're almost looking to argue with me at any chance you get.

Originally Posted by hex2323

And no, I did not think you meant me. Just thanking YOU for proving my point.

I'm still not really proving your point, in any way, to be sure.

Though, there's really no way to get back on topic, as you so kindly helped in derailing it in the first place.

Hmmm fun eh? well, I've been having fun for over 5 years in Lotro, despite the grind etc. (I must be odd - I love grinding - no sniggering at the back) and I really get bored of reading about (insert flavour of the month MMO here) and how it's going to destroy Lotro - hasn't happened yet and for me at least I can't see it happening anytime soon either.

In a BBC style balance way I'll say that yes, other MMO's do exist, some are tragic, some might be fabulous, but after trying too many duff ones I refuse to waste my hard (ha) earned on yet another over hyped game.

Call me a fanboi if you like but I'll stick with the one I like and I'll keep supporting it financially as well, for me it's dirt cheap entertainement, 1 lifetime sub and an annual expansion plus TP still works out cheap considering the time I spend ingame.

Forwards to Mordor!!

Originally Posted by Rampagingdeath

Call me a fanboi if you like but I'll stick with the one I like and I'll keep supporting it financially as well, for me it's dirt cheap entertainement, 1 lifetime sub and an annual expansion plus TP still works out cheap considering the time I spend ingame.

Forwards to Mordor!!

Yes Sir!

Getting lifetime in a game that I love and play almost everyday? Totally priceless.

I found this interesting because while LOTRO started out as a subscription model, it isn't really any longer. Yet, the game continues to be designed as if it were. Granted, it is a hybrid, but the perspective about what keeps people entertained and coming back and the reasons for designing content one way instead of another seemed to fit the current state of the game. As the player-base evolves, the game needs to evolve, too. The idea that subscription based games are not necessarily designed for fun seems to be an apt observation and certainly explains a lot of game mechanics that often don't make sense.

Originally Posted by whheydt

A factor that isn't mentioned there is that gamers--particularly good gamers--can chew through content far, far faster than any reasonable team can develop it.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

that is the key there and buy far SWTOR is a true face of this to easy to lvl
lvl cap was to low and no content becides the single player story
sub or not ive played both
content keeps players playing good crafting housing gear custamisation ect
as for sub games being a grind
dont get that point every sub game ive played was never a grind wile every totaly free to play cash shop driven game was a mega grind made to make u spend money to get what u wanted
ill take subed games over total free to play any day and yes im subed here cos thats the way the game is meant to be played lol
as for gw2 it wont kill this game swtor or any other game no game is a game killer just some do better then others and hype is what kills games
wait for it to be relesed then make claims or u will look like a fool like all the swtor nob heads that calimed it was the best befoure seeing what it was wich was garbage
im waiting for elder series online that shows mega promise we can only hope its a winner
as for this game i love it cos its got the balance i like would like more stuff for gulids and housing to be updated tho

Originally Posted by LordInvictus

that is the key there and buy far SWTOR is a true face of this to easy to lvl
lvl cap was to low and no content becides the single player story
sub or not ive played both
content keeps players playing good crafting housing gear custamisation ect
as for sub games being a grind
dont get that point every sub game ive played was never a grind wile every totaly free to play cash shop driven game was a mega grind made to make u spend money to get what u wanted
ill take subed games over total free to play any day and yes im subed here cos thats the way the game is meant to be played lol
as for gw2 it wont kill this game swtor or any other game no game is a game killer just some do better then others and hype is what kills games
wait for it to be relesed then make claims or u will look like a fool like all the swtor nob heads that calimed it was the best befoure seeing what it was wich was garbage
im waiting for elder series online that shows mega promise we can only hope its a winner
as for this game i love it cos its got the balance i like would like more stuff for gulids and housing to be updated tho

Problem with subscription based games is that subs have no actual role in development, thus supporting to an extent what Colin said in the original article. It has also been essentially proven from several researches that subs are simply a cash grab. So, the only way I see sub based game succeeding is to have its integration be similar to that of Lotro's, and not the EQ/WoW sub model.

Originally Posted by hex2323

Having been involved in most of those threads, I can personally say that they did get nasty. All of them. Both sides would argue with passion until one random troll would come in and sling insults (personal insults) at the LOTRO defenders.

I am starting to believe that, oddly enough, it's a LOTRO supporter who does this to intentionall turn the threads nasty to get them closed. It's happened too many times, and it would be far too easy to do.

Personally, I don't mind a good thread about another game. What I can't stand is a thread about another game made with the sole purpose of bashing this game. I always wonder why some people insist on bad mouthing LOTRO on the LOTRO forums. But now I get it. It's not the new game people love. It's bashing LOTRO in a place where people who actually like the game will see it that they like.

Take GW2. Great game, by the looks of everything we've seen and read. Awesome. Fine. We can all sing its praises without having to try and justify how good it is by making LOTRO out to be this horrible greed driven moster game that's unplayable. It's just not true.

This is off topic. Fine. A GW2 thread is totally appropriate. But why would any game tolerate thread after thread started by the same 10 people, probably encouraged directly by the competition, about a rival game that not only makes unfair and inaccurate comparisons, but also disparages its own game AND insults its players and long time forum posters?

There's a long running GW2 thread on the Rift forums, now at 41 pages ( infact there are several of them ), all of them far better natured than the ones here, supposedly a 'mature' community, yeah right.
So why is the GW2 thread(s) on the Trion forum far less critical of the host developer and much better natured in general ( despite praising GW2 just as much as here ), in opposition to the GW2 threads here? I suspect it's due to 2 reasons.

a) Trion have a reputation for listening to the players, and trying to ensure things run smoothly. So even mostly those moving on to GW2 don't have a grudge against Trion for past wrongs. The moral is treat your players well, and they'll treat you well when they move on, and in the future.
b) Rift supporters tend to be far less fanatical than Lotro supporters so the discussion is far less polarised. Lotro supporters tend to jump onto battle stations as soon as anything negative starts to be said, or comparisions made between other games, they consider it 'their' game and seem to take criticism of lotro as an attack on them. Generally the response from Rift fans to GW2 fans is 'hey if you've had enough here, I wish you luck, I'm staying though and here's why'. Here it tends to be, 'How dare you criticise Lotro on a Lotro forum, I can't wait till GW2 is out so you'll go away and not polute our pure Lotro fan pool any longer with your weasel words'.

It's just interesting to see how different the GW2 discussion has been on the Rift forum, and there has to be reason(s) for that. But I'll say one thing, the GW2 fans there are just as vocal and enthusiastic, so the reason for the trouble here doesn't lie with the GW2 fans imo.

Originally Posted by monteeburns

Lotro supporters tend to jump onto battle stations as soon as anything negative starts to be said

Hit the nail on the head, with an added bonus of funny imagery. +1

Originally Posted by monteeburns

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b) Rift supporters tend to be far less fanatical than Lotro supporters so the discussion is far less polarised. Lotro supporters tend to jump onto battle stations as soon as anything negative starts to be said, or comparisions made between other games, they consider it 'their' game and seem to take criticism of lotro as an attack on them..

I think it was far worst back years ago with the die hard lore fanatics that are long gone. Yeah, there are a couple of die hard LOTRO fans that get upset, but it's nothing compared to years ago. In that regard, I am thankful for F2P coming along, which marked the time they started to leave. They were just really mean.

Back then the war between the Turbine bashers and LOTRO fans was a lot more vicious than it is now.

I think the reason that the Rift fans are less fanatical is that over there, it is not Tolkien. Tolkien fans really take their lore very seriously. I always thought of them as Green Bay Packer fans.

And the people that don't play but come here to the forums to insult people and bash the game are just as bad.


What gets me about the people excited about GW2 and the people that love LOTRO is that there seems to be little tolerance on each side for folks like me that plan on playing both and having a blast playing both.

Come on, I cannot possibly be the only one here that will play GW2 and say "woohoo!" and then play LOTRO the next night and also say "woohoo!".

I would love a release date though.

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

Come on, I cannot possibly be the only one here that will play GW2 and say "woohoo!" and then play LOTRO the next night and also say "woohoo!".

*shakes an admonitory finger at Nymphonic*

Nobody in LOTR ever said "woohoo", that's lore-breaking! Bad Doctor! Bad! Bad! Bad!

Back on-topic: The only sticking point for me is that I won't have time to devote to everything. I've got a job. I've got a family. I've got...to clean house before the stress test this afternoon.

What I've really got to do is win the lottery so I can devote more time to these pursuits.

Originally Posted by monteeburns

There's a long running GW2 thread on the Rift forums, now at 41 pages ( infact there are several of them ), all of them far better natured than the ones here, supposedly a 'mature' community, yeah right.
So why is the GW2 thread(s) on the Trion forum far less critical of the host developer and much better natured in general ( despite praising GW2 just as much as here ), in opposition to the GW2 threads here? I suspect it's due to 2 reasons.

a) Trion have a reputation for listening to the players, and trying to ensure things run smoothly. So even mostly those moving on to GW2 don't have a grudge against Trion for past wrongs. The moral is treat your players well, and they'll treat you well when they move on, and in the future.
b) Rift supporters tend to be far less fanatical than Lotro supporters so the discussion is far less polarised. Lotro supporters tend to jump onto battle stations as soon as anything negative starts to be said, or comparisions made between other games, they consider it 'their' game and seem to take criticism of lotro as an attack on them. Generally the response from Rift fans to GW2 fans is 'hey if you've had enough here, I wish you luck, I'm staying though and here's why'. Here it tends to be, 'How dare you criticise Lotro on a Lotro forum, I can't wait till GW2 is out so you'll go away and not polute our pure Lotro fan pool any longer with your weasel words'.

It's just interesting to see how different the GW2 discussion has been on the Rift forum, and there has to be reason(s) for that. But I'll say one thing, the GW2 fans there are just as vocal and enthusiastic, so the reason for the trouble here doesn't lie with the GW2 fans imo.

Could be.

But personally, I was very pro-GW2 and was still attacked and insulted for saying LOTRO was also a good game. I've been called an 'idiot' a 'fanboi' a 'cry baby', told that I 'wet the bed', had it implied that I live in my grandmother's basement, etc etc etc with varying degrees of venom... I have been followed into other threads and mocked, I've been negative repped on posts that had nothing controversial, insulting or personal in them (one was just a bland, informational post) all in the GW2 threads.

I know that I am a known LOTRO supporter. I know that I take things a little further than necessary at times. But I never get personal. I never insult someone's intelligence. I don't make disparaging remarks to other posters.

And some of you I have a history with and I know that anything I say is going to be fodder for the flames.

BUT, no matter what board I was on, I'd lash back if insulted. And I can bet that if you were to hop on the Rift board and call someone ignorant for disagreeing with you, the tone of that thread would go south. Nymphonic was attacked in that thread too in a really nasty response and neg repped.

Yup, some of the LOTRO fans, myself included, go over the top but in those threads it was the fault of 4 or 5 posters who came here with the intention of trolling the regulars. Trying to blame the community of this game for the insanity that broke lose in those threads? I don't agree with that opinion one bit.

Originally Posted by hex2323

Could be.

But personally, I was very pro-GW2 and was still attacked and insulted for saying LOTRO was also a good game. I've been called an 'idiot' a 'fanboi' a 'cry baby', told that I 'wet the bed', had it implied that I live in my grandmother's basement, etc etc etc with varying degrees of venom... I have been followed into other threads and mocked, I've been negative repped on posts that had nothing controversial, insulting or personal in them (one was just a bland, informational post) all in the GW2 threads.

I know that I am a known LOTRO supporter. I know that I take things a little further than necessary at times. But I never get personal. I never insult someone's intelligence. I don't make disparaging remarks to other posters.

And some of you I have a history with and I know that anything I say is going to be fodder for the flames.

BUT, no matter what board I was on, I'd lash back if insulted. And I can bet that if you were to hop on the Rift board and call someone ignorant for disagreeing with you, the tone of that thread would go south. Nymphonic was attacked in that thread too in a really nasty response and neg repped.

Yup, some of the LOTRO fans, myself included, go over the top but in those threads it was the fault of 4 or 5 posters who came here with the intention of trolling the regulars. Trying to blame the community of this game for the insanity that broke lose in those threads? I don't agree with that opinion one bit.

Same experience with me. I was insulted and neg repped in that thread and I was actually asking questions and wanting to play that game. I got neg repped for quoting a post by Hex and warned "not to feed the troll". Luckily, Celestrata removed the rep for me. (when you have issues, PM her or Sapience for help).


And like Hex, I was followed and hounded in other threads in the General and Suggestions forums.

And I never bashed GW2, on the contrary I was excited about it.


Some of you people are just plain mean and hateful. What is wrong with enjoying 2 different MMOs? It's just as bad as the PS3 and 360 console war.

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

Some of you people are just plain mean and hateful. What is wrong with enjoying 2 different MMOs? It's just as bad as the PS3 and 360 console war.

Yeah, I've mostly avoided the GW2 threads, although I do plan on trying the game out.

I wondered the same thing in the SWTOR threads. People on both sides seemed to have little to no respect for people who, horror of horrors, had a different opinion than they did about one game or the other. Given the insults thrown about, it made me wonder if I, as someone who plays and enjoys both games, am either twice as dumb or twice as smart as some of the posters.

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

Same experience with me. I was insulted and neg repped in that thread and I was actually asking questions and wanting to play that game. I got neg repped for quoting a post by Hex and warned "not to feed the troll". Luckily, Celestrata removed the rep for me. (when you have issues, PM her or Sapience for help).


And like Hex, I was followed and hounded in other threads in the General and Suggestions forums.

And I never bashed GW2, on the contrary I was excited about it.


Some of you people are just plain mean and hateful. What is wrong with enjoying 2 different MMOs? It's just as bad as the PS3 and 360 console war.

Even supposed Lotro bashers get everything they write down repped. I, and others have the same issue. Lotro lovers and 'haters' get down repped however you cut the mustard. Now, figuring out the real, actual trolls who do this inane, childish thing is another matter altogether.

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

I think it was far worst back years ago with the die hard lore fanatics that are long gone.

You mean all my friends?

Originally Posted by GalateaOrea

You get leveling systems that take insane amounts of grind to gain a level, loot drop systems that require doing a dungeon with a tiny chance the item you want can drop at the end, raid systems that need huge numbers of people online simultaneously to organize and play, thousands of wash/repeat item-collection or kill-mob quests or dailies with flavor text support, the best stat gear requiring crazy amounts of time to earn, etc.

This is what LOTRO and most other current MMO's have become. Although LOTRO, it seems, went F2P but kept the subscriber based mentality.

This is also why TOR did not succeed.

Not saying GW2 is better, but the author does have a point.

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

Some of you people are just plain mean and hateful. What is wrong with enjoying 2 different MMOs? It's just as bad as the PS3 and 360 console war.

I only play Lotro, but not because I automatically think that the other ones are bad. Quite the opposite, competition will do some good for any game developer. It pushes or inspires them forward to evolve their software.

My reason is that I can't devote my time for two MMOs, because I know that they can be time consuming. There's not enough of it for doing that besides the work and my other points of interest. The other is my fondness for Tolkien lore and roleplay.

But I still don't bash people for not knowing all the same points of the lore that I do (that would be too much asked). I only help them if they show the interest of how it really is.

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

I think it was far worst back years ago with the die hard lore fanatics that are long gone. Yeah, there are a couple of die hard LOTRO fans that get upset, but it's nothing compared to years ago. In that regard, I am thankful for F2P coming along, which marked the time they started to leave. They were just really mean.

Back then the war between the Turbine bashers and LOTRO fans was a lot more vicious than it is now.

I think the reason that the Rift fans are less fanatical is that over there, it is not Tolkien. Tolkien fans really take their lore very seriously. I always thought of them as Green Bay Packer fans.

And the people that don't play but come here to the forums to insult people and bash the game are just as bad.


What gets me about the people excited about GW2 and the people that love LOTRO is that there seems to be little tolerance on each side for folks like me that plan on playing both and having a blast playing both.

Come on, I cannot possibly be the only one here that will play GW2 and say "woohoo!" and then play LOTRO the next night and also say "woohoo!".

I would love a release date though.

Honestly for myself I never truly leave any game I enjoy, I might break for a while but for one reason or another I always end up going back from time to time. Though I (before the GW2 BWE's even began) I was suffering from MMO burn out. Even game hopping had begun to burn me and I was having trouble getting into any of the games I enjoyed. So with a new game on the horizon I'm looking forward to having something new to do.

I by no means hate the games I'm not currently playing and I don't begrudge anyone else who might still be enjoying whatever their game of choice is. Though I do have friends who seemed determined to take the whole of LOTRO's playerbase with them...lol. I personally am just excited for what is new and unknown.