I was just wondering of after a few harsh posts towards turbine I finally bit the bullet and gave in to the Warner Brothers cash cow and I have spent the 70$ on the expansion I in no way think is worth the price, so why the hell am I so happy? Smiling when I play much happier with my new steed and cosmetics…
Is being ripped off supposed to feel so nice?
Or is loyalty to the game blinding us from doing what is rite.
TBH I would have prefered if I didn't get those points and got 20$ back But I can live with it as it is, I don't feel ripped of too much anymore. Espescially after I also bought that great Steam Starter Pack offer with a good looking 168% mount for all my chars.
Now all I need is that last quest for the horse deed which doesn't seem to be in the game at all , the others keep repeating.
TBH I would have prefered if I didn't get those points and got 20$ back But I can live with it as it is, I don't feel ripped of too much anymore. Espescially after I also bought that great Steam Starter Pack offer with a good looking 168% mount for all my chars.
Now all I need is that last quest for the horse deed which doesn't seem to be in the game at all , the others keep repeating.
ps: The 6th bag rocks
yes i got the 2k points, but they are now spent i bought the great river quest pack and cancelled my sub, i dont see a need to have a sub anymore, you dont get much out of it.
This all started cause i was leveling my gurdian and greatriver was only open to me as a vip, so i thought i dont want to buy turbine points for something that used to be free, so i bought the expantion for the 2k points then bought the area i needed.
* Horses in the LOTRO store cost 2k TP, about $20
* Full cosmetic outfits in the LOTRO store cost between 1k and 2k TP, $10 to $20
* 2k bonus TP, which wasn't part of the original deal, another $20
* Who knows who much the crystal would sell for, if they ever decide to introduce it in the store, I'd figure 1k, $10
Yes, $70 is $70, expensive no matter what way you spin it, but it makes it a little easier to swallow if you look at it this way...
so i thought i dont want to buy turbine points for something that used to be free, so i bought the expantion for the 2k points then bought the area i needed.
Well you paid 10-15$ per month for that region. So it was not really free before as well.
Originally Posted by SmellyCheese
I'm probably in the extreme minority with this.
* Horses in the LOTRO store cost 2k TP, about $20
* Full cosmetic outfits in the LOTRO store cost between 1k and 2k TP, $10 to $20
* 2k bonus TP, which wasn't part of the original deal, another $20
* Who knows who much the crystal would sell for, if they ever decide to introduce it in the store, I'd figure 1k, $10
Yes, $70 is $70, expensive no matter what way you spin it, but it makes it a little easier to swallow if you look at it this way...
That calculation only works if you value TP with what they cost when you buy them. Turbine themselves does not really honor that as expansion quests packs cost more in TP than the full base expansion (including now the IC which the quest pack does not and an additional 1k TP) for 40$.
Also the calculation only works if you value all the items given with what similar or the same items costs in the store (and again have a 100TP = 1$ ratio).
So no I sdo not think one is able to look at it your way unless you need to find some additional arguments for having spent 70$.
However the current deal for the legendary is not bad with 2k TP, the bag, the IC and the exclusive content which - at least for me - are the most important parts of the pre-order package.
This alone makes the 70$ worth it for me and depending on how people value these things it will or will not be worth 70$ for them.
dont be embarrassed or guilty to have bought it, if it gives you pleasure then its money well spent which is the purpose of these games. Think of it this way, 70 bucks is a one time nice dinner out for two. Or a movie out for four, gone as fast as that. This way you can enjoy it till the cows come home.
too often we regret money put into games after we are done with them.. but we have to remember at the time we enjoyed the game and it was worth it then.
Yup, I'll be picking that up on sale. I won't be trying it out until ROR launches though. My Guard has not yet entered the region simply because she's waiting for the level cap to move up to 85 so she can earn some experience from the quests.
TBH I would have prefered if I didn't get those points and got 20$ back But I can live with it as it is, I don't feel ripped of too much anymore. Espescially after I also bought that great Steam Starter Pack offer with a good looking 168% mount for all my chars.
Now all I need is that last quest for the horse deed which doesn't seem to be in the game at all , the others keep repeating.
ps: The 6th bag rocks
Lone Lands? That's the one for me. Ugh.
Airgoidhwen of the Dale, Captain Aoalmiorn, Son of Wulfgeat, Lore-master, steed - Felarófgeld Erynir of Lorien, Warden
* Horses in the LOTRO store cost 2k TP, about $20
* Full cosmetic outfits in the LOTRO store cost between 1k and 2k TP, $10 to $20
* 2k bonus TP, which wasn't part of the original deal, another $20
* Who knows who much the crystal would sell for, if they ever decide to introduce it in the store, I'd figure 1k, $10
Yes, $70 is $70, expensive no matter what way you spin it, but it makes it a little easier to swallow if you look at it this way...
I'm fairly certain that at some point I will purchase the expansion, just not in the very near future. See, I'm old enough to remember when fancy things like AC, under body coatings, power windows and even auto transmissions were luxury items in cars that cost big $$$. Then they started including such features in the cars and now we are all accustomed to getting them included in the price.
Well, MMO's go back 15 years for me and I was always a subscriber. I became accustomed to having the items quoted being available for me in the game at no extra charge providing I paid my monthly fee and purchased CONTENT, not game mechanics. So now it's like going to a car dealership and having them offer me a premium package that includes what we have accepted for the most part as standards.
Obviously, by giving in to the demand for added TP to the deal, they realized that the price was a bit steep when compared to the features. Was it worth $70 in terms of what it provided in entertainment value? I would tend to say yes. Did it compare fairly to past offerings and what most gaming companies throw in for free? No, not really. You asked for it, we designed it into the game, now pony up the extra $$$ seems a bit crass.
dont worry, yesterday I spend 120$ for the coming mechwarrior online game, simply because I like Battletech for 20 years now, and there is even less value for the buck than RoR
The thing is that we don't know much at all about RoR, the value Turbine has given is a rip off some might say before they have even tried the actual product.
As I stated in previous threads that it may be wrong for Turbine to promote something we don't know so much about but still even if it should just be mounted combat and a big map, maby that is enought to be worth 70$, maby this mounted combat is the new stuff and will replace Instance clusters (not likely :P ) but we do not know.
Not only you have bought some entertainment for a few minutes a day, you have also bought yourself a Kinder surprise and some fluff
It's good to have low expectations of the game becouse the better it will be when it is released
* Horses in the LOTRO store cost 2k TP, about $20
* Full cosmetic outfits in the LOTRO store cost between 1k and 2k TP, $10 to $20
* 2k bonus TP, which wasn't part of the original deal, another $20
* Who knows who much the crystal would sell for, if they ever decide to introduce it in the store, I'd figure 1k, $10
Yes, $70 is $70, expensive no matter what way you spin it, but it makes it a little easier to swallow if you look at it this way...
For you maybe. But for me it does not. It just shows why turbine does not need worry about me. Horses and cosmetic outfits mean nothing to me. But yes, there are lots of people that live and die for them, so yes, Turbine knows they toss some of this fluff out there and there will be tons of people plunk down any amount of cash.
I have one mount. The Ale association goat. I can ride it anywhere. It is full health full speed mount. Or at least it used to be. My toons have one outfit they wear. An outfit that they wore noncosmetically originally that I liked the look of just fine so when I upgraded to new armor I stuck it in their cosmetic slot in case I didn't like my new armor or so I could have a consistent look as I acquired pieces of new sets. This works fine for me. So I've never used the 'wardrobe' space and I've never gotten another outfit to wear cosmetically.
So these two pieces of fluff are worth Zero to me. Turbine must be happy though. They have pretty much got a license to print money. Throw another color scheme on the same old wire frame. Must take all of 10 hours of programming package a couple of these in bundle and sell it for $70 dollars and watch people lap it up like spilt milk to kittens.
I do find it interesting any thread started complaining of the pricing of this Xpac is locked within 10 minutes with the excuse there is already a thread on the Xpac, - tucked away where no one will ever go read it - but threads like this saying how great it is to spend $70 for it and how worth it the xpac are can multiply and exist in this forum without being locked.
I wonder why?
Actually I don't wonder why. I know why. Turbine knows people are basically sheep. The vast majority of people are followers and joiners. Someone thinks the pricing is to high and off the scale they come to the forums to see what people are saying and WoW - no negative posts. Just positive ones extolling the virtues of the Xpac and why it is so worth $70. They think sheesh, guess I'm the only one that thinks it is too expensive and look all these people saying how great it is. Guess I should go buy it.
Join the crowd. Go pay $70 for 2 more horses with a new paint job and a couple more outfits to prance around in.
For you maybe. But for me it does not. It just shows why turbine does not need worry about me. Horses and cosmetic outfits mean nothing to me. But yes, there are lots of people that live and die for them, so yes, Turbine knows they toss some of this fluff out there and there will be tons of people plunk down any amount of cash.
I have one mount. The Ale association goat. I can ride it anywhere. It is full health full speed mount. Or at least it used to be. My toons have one outfit they wear. An outfit that they wore noncosmetically originally that I liked the look of just fine so when I upgraded to new armor I stuck it in their cosmetic slot in case I didn't like my new armor or so I could have a consistent look as I acquired pieces of new sets. This works fine for me. So I've never used the 'wardrobe' space and I've never gotten another outfit to wear cosmetically.
So these two pieces of fluff are worth Zero to me. Turbine must be happy though. They have pretty much got a license to print money. Throw another color scheme on the same old wire frame. Must take all of 10 hours of programming package a couple of these in bundle and sell it for $70 dollars and watch people lap it up like spilt milk to kittens.
I do find it interesting any thread started complaining of the pricing of this Xpac is locked within 10 minutes with the excuse there is already a thread on the Xpac, - tucked away where no one will ever go read it - but threads like this saying how great it is to spend $70 for it and how worth it the xpac are can multiply and exist in this forum without being locked.
I wonder why?
Actually I don't wonder why. I know why. Turbine knows people are basically sheep. The vast majority of people are followers and joiners. Someone thinks the pricing is to high and off the scale they come to the forums to see what people are saying and WoW - no negative posts. Just positive ones extolling the virtues of the Xpac and why it is so worth $70. They think sheesh, guess I'm the only one that thinks it is too expensive and look all these people saying how great it is. Guess I should go buy it.
Join the crowd. Go pay $70 for 2 more horses with a new paint job and a couple more outfits to prance around in.
+1 rep censorship stinks no matter who is doing it!
Someone thinks the pricing is to high and off the scale they come to the forums to see what people are saying and WoW - no negative posts. Just positive ones extolling the virtues of the Xpac and why it is so worth $70. They think sheesh, guess I'm the only one that thinks it is too expensive and look all these people saying how great it is. Guess I should go buy it.
Join the crowd. Go pay $70 for 2 more horses with a new paint job and a couple more outfits to prance around in.
So since you're attacking me directly, I'll just address this: if you think there are no negative posts regarding the price of the expansion, you should really look a little further.
I bought the $70 expansion myself. Little higher than I wanted to pay, yes, but since I had money from my birthday that I had no immediate plans for, I went ahead and got it. And then my car crapped out on me, but that's another story. :P Either way, I bought the pack, have done the horse quests on my main, and am enjoying the cosmetics and the horse. For me, well worth it. For someone else? Probably way too rich for them. To each his own.
I'll wait for the half-price sale next year. Being a fairly new player (since Feb), I have plenty of content to slog through until then. I don't even have Isengard yet. But with MoM, Mithril Edition, and STEAM Edition, I have plenty to keep me busy for awhile.
For you maybe. But for me it does not. It just shows why turbine does not need worry about me. Horses and cosmetic outfits mean nothing to me. But yes, there are lots of people that live and die for them, so yes, Turbine knows they toss some of this fluff out there and there will be tons of people plunk down any amount of cash.
I have one mount. The Ale association goat. I can ride it anywhere. It is full health full speed mount. Or at least it used to be. My toons have one outfit they wear. An outfit that they wore noncosmetically originally that I liked the look of just fine so when I upgraded to new armor I stuck it in their cosmetic slot in case I didn't like my new armor or so I could have a consistent look as I acquired pieces of new sets. This works fine for me. So I've never used the 'wardrobe' space and I've never gotten another outfit to wear cosmetically.
So these two pieces of fluff are worth Zero to me. Turbine must be happy though. They have pretty much got a license to print money. Throw another color scheme on the same old wire frame. Must take all of 10 hours of programming package a couple of these in bundle and sell it for $70 dollars and watch people lap it up like spilt milk to kittens.
I do find it interesting any thread started complaining of the pricing of this Xpac is locked within 10 minutes with the excuse there is already a thread on the Xpac, - tucked away where no one will ever go read it - but threads like this saying how great it is to spend $70 for it and how worth it the xpac are can multiply and exist in this forum without being locked.
I wonder why?
Actually I don't wonder why. I know why. Turbine knows people are basically sheep. The vast majority of people are followers and joiners. Someone thinks the pricing is to high and off the scale they come to the forums to see what people are saying and WoW - no negative posts. Just positive ones extolling the virtues of the Xpac and why it is so worth $70. They think sheesh, guess I'm the only one that thinks it is too expensive and look all these people saying how great it is. Guess I should go buy it.
Join the crowd. Go pay $70 for 2 more horses with a new paint job and a couple more outfits to prance around in.
WoW, Bitter much?
I bought the expansion because we had the cash extra for it and it had things I like; the 6th bag, the horse and the cosmetics, not to mention the expansion itself and the warhorse quests. I am not one of the people who, as you say, live or die for cosmetics. but it IS part of the game I pay for so I am going to use it to its fullest. It makes me happy. If having one outfit makes you happy, then enjoy it. I won't knock your style. I also won't be as crude about it as you were.
While I agree with what you have said about locking or deleting threads that are negative, hey, its Turbine's choice. They run this FOR FREE. It isn't included in our sub fee or anywhere else. They can moderate it as much as they want.They are a business after all. How many times have you walked into Wal-Mart and saw a sign that said "This sucks. Its cheaper at KMart"? I know I haven't.
For you maybe. But for me it does not. It just shows why turbine does not need worry about me. Horses and cosmetic outfits mean nothing to me. But yes, there are lots of people that live and die for them, so yes, Turbine knows they toss some of this fluff out there and there will be tons of people plunk down any amount of cash.
I have one mount. The Ale association goat. I can ride it anywhere. It is full health full speed mount. Or at least it used to be. My toons have one outfit they wear. An outfit that they wore noncosmetically originally that I liked the look of just fine so when I upgraded to new armor I stuck it in their cosmetic slot in case I didn't like my new armor or so I could have a consistent look as I acquired pieces of new sets. This works fine for me. So I've never used the 'wardrobe' space and I've never gotten another outfit to wear cosmetically.
So these two pieces of fluff are worth Zero to me. Turbine must be happy though. They have pretty much got a license to print money. Throw another color scheme on the same old wire frame. Must take all of 10 hours of programming package a couple of these in bundle and sell it for $70 dollars and watch people lap it up like spilt milk to kittens.
I do find it interesting any thread started complaining of the pricing of this Xpac is locked within 10 minutes with the excuse there is already a thread on the Xpac, - tucked away where no one will ever go read it - but threads like this saying how great it is to spend $70 for it and how worth it the xpac are can multiply and exist in this forum without being locked.
I wonder why?
Actually I don't wonder why. I know why. Turbine knows people are basically sheep. The vast majority of people are followers and joiners. Someone thinks the pricing is to high and off the scale they come to the forums to see what people are saying and WoW - no negative posts. Just positive ones extolling the virtues of the Xpac and why it is so worth $70. They think sheesh, guess I'm the only one that thinks it is too expensive and look all these people saying how great it is. Guess I should go buy it.
Join the crowd. Go pay $70 for 2 more horses with a new paint job and a couple more outfits to prance around in.
I could play the game that way, too. But to me, it would appear to be odorless, colorless and tasteless. It would be like eating a hamburger not only without any fixings, but without the bun as well.
You are, of course, free to play the game any way you like. And if that way makes you happy, more power to you. But please try and understand the reasons that some folks prefer a more encompassing experience. It’s not a matter of “living and dying” for cosmetics. But to some, the generic and basic just won’t cut it for an extended period of time, and much of the playing experience is shaped by fun fluff such as cosmetic appearances.
I wouldn’t wear the same outfit IRL seven days a week, not just because of cleanliness issues, but because I’d be bored to death. I improve my LOTRO gaming experience by trying to introduce as many RL features into it as I possibly can. Obviously, I know I’m sitting in front of a computer and not really in Middle Earth. That tenuous grasp on reality is still there—for now, at least. But within those parameters, I like to introduce as much variety as I reasonably can. New outfits, a change of mounts, different music and scenery, etc: These are all things that enhance my gaming to the point where I want to keep coming back.
Turbine just offers the basic burger, too. Whether someone buys the fixings is a personal choice, and such choice is no better or worse than what someone else prefers.
For what it’s worth, I think the price on the RoR expansion is high and I haven’t yet purchased it.
If you’re playing lotro without cosmetics steeds and so called “fluff” you’re missing out on a lot of beauty of the world of middle earth not to mention the feel for Tolkien lore.
I agree without the fluff they give us lotro would be a just like any other MMO.
I suppose some players play purely for stats and rank, I myself would not be able to play just an endless grind session for 3 years.
Whenever I get tired of raiding I go and work on cosmetics or my house and that’s what keeps me in the game.
So since you're attacking me directly, I'll just address this: if you think there are no negative posts regarding the price of the expansion, you should really look a little further.
So what, you are the one that locked my thread 10 minutes after I made it?? If not how does my commenting on my thread being locked become a personal attack on you???
I actually don't see my commenting on threads being locked, that like this one are about the price of the expansion, except stating the price is to high instead of like this one saying what a great deal it is, as an attack on anyone. Just me pointing out that the stated reason for locking the negative ones applies equally to this one, yet it goes unlocked.
I didn't even say it is not within turbines right to lock any thread they want to. Though I do wonder to myself if they would not be better off letting people post more freely. Might learn things from a more open forum. Maybe even get an idea how people feel other then as they fill out the exit survey from canceling an account.
For the person that said 'Wow bitter much' I am in fact unhappy with Turbine's heavy handed control of the forums. I came much closer to canceling my account over them locking every thread about moving relic removal off the reforge guy and putting it into the store as a profit center then I did over them doing it.
And while I doubt I'd ever cancel over an xpac being priced higher then I wish to pay - especially with the knowledge that the RoI expansion was on sale for $14.95 just 4 months after release - I still might cancel over Turbines not allowing people to discuss it on their forums.
I was just wondering of after a few harsh posts towards turbine I finally bit the bullet and gave in to the Warner Brothers cash cow and I have spent the 70$ on the expansion I in no way think is worth the price, so why the hell am I so happy? Smiling when I play much happier with my new steed and cosmetics…
Is being ripped off supposed to feel so nice?
Or is loyalty to the game blinding us from doing what is rite.
I am happier in game but poorer in real life :/
Dude. Thats called Denial. If you where at your senses you would go straight to the police or lawer after noticing the missing 80bucks.
And we are at a point where people justifing this game by the amount of useless fluff it has? If you can write this in all seriousness, you need help. Or real friends.
These things seem to follow a pattern that I've started to pick up on.
Standard Edition - Mainly for the folks who've been playing the game for years and are at cap, lots of deeds / virtues, a fully stocked house, vault, and cosmo bag. Prolly have a few Legendaries maxxed out and just want the expansion itself. No frills.
Extra Crispy Edition - Geared toward newer players or folks on the fence about going from sub model to Freemium. Often include a few things new players would like to have like a few quest packs, a horse, an xp gaining item of some type.
How Much Can We Feasibly Charge Edition - This is the big one, ladies and gentlemen, all the marbles in one handy bag. Meant for the folks that like to have the best of the best in terms of showmanship. Not game altering things, but pretty, shiny, "we must haves it, My Precious" things.
Often enough, all editions have some added cash shop currency included for a little extra incentive to pre-order ( not to mention the BUY NOW SPECIAL OFFER OF CURRENCY FOR $xxxxx to further sweeten the money spent ) Even this one did ( eventually ) and I'm sure it's working out for them.
It's no secret this game WANTS you to be a freemium member and buy, buy, buy.
Take it for what you will.
Some will find it a rip-off, others will say it's for the bees-knees.
For the record, I bought the How Much Can We Feasibly Charge Edition, because I'm totally gay for Rohan and couldn't pass up the cosmetic armor and horse ( which I'm totally rocking right now ).
i'll eventually just get permanent vip when I get a job and save up twice of what permanent vip costs then once a week unlock some expansion or tons of little things.
So what, you are the one that locked my thread 10 minutes after I made it?? If not how does my commenting on my thread being locked become a personal attack on you???
Am I the one who locked your thread? Am I an admin on this forum? Do I have permission to lock threads? Did I even report this thread? Throwing vitriol directly at me is considered an attack.
For the person that said 'Wow bitter much' I am in fact unhappy with Turbine's heavy handed control of the forums. I came much closer to canceling my account over them locking every thread about moving relic removal off the reforge guy and putting it into the store as a profit center then I did over them doing it.
And while I doubt I'd ever cancel over an xpac being priced higher then I wish to pay - especially with the knowledge that the RoI expansion was on sale for $14.95 just 4 months after release - I still might cancel over Turbines not allowing people to discuss it on their forums.
If you are so bitter, expressing it on the forums will do little to change it. Just look at the PvMP forums to see that. Little has changed in the moors for 4+ years and it probably won't. There are other avenues than throwing &&&& on a forum. The forums are meant to talk about LOTRO and positive experiences with it. negative threads are going to get locked. Surprise! What do you think would happen to the guy standing in McDonalds with a sigh that says "This food will kill you!" after a few minutes? he will get asked to leave and not come back. he is free to go OUTSIDE the store and protest, where the store has no say, but on their grounds, they have say. Welcome to McDonalds.
I fully understand the op. One part of me (the rather more rational) tells me as a lifetimer with plenty of saved up TP (I systematically ignore the store), I should sit and wait and buy with TP. That same part also tells me we can't blindly overpay for things because it will make the seller greedier. Their job is to get all they can from us.
Another part of me wants to impulse buy and tries to justify it.... 'Just pay for it and get all the nice freebies, have some of ther stuff immediately, you can more than afford it, you work hard all week, you get a lot of entertainment out of this game'.
Cognitive dissonance at its best, but sorry Turbine. I almost always manage to side with my rational side. No Santa, No God, No Pre-Order from me.
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But I can live with it as it is, I don't feel ripped of too much anymore. Espescially after I also bought that great Steam Starter Pack offer with a good looking 168% mount for all my chars.
, the others keep repeating.
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Did you also get the 2k Turbine Points?
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